looks like our mail server had a hiccup. Sorry about the double post.
George Jones/US/ABNAMRO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/02/2001 03:19:37 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject: Re: [313] detroit people :: wmc listening party at record time
roseville
what about red labels? Or black
Woooha Ron Hardy. Inspiring stuff indeed.
I am going to see if I can catch the muzique one tommorow.
whatever happenend to sleazy soulfull production...
326 was the address for Ron Hardy's Musicbox!:)
the second half of the record you have is on Muzique
Curtis is a top producer with a real quirkyness to the sound, we cannot all
be too serious.
I think Rush owes a bit to him.
I think he is a better producer as his DJing leaves a little to be desired;
mainly because he is always so plastered.
I am off to see him this Friday with Ben Sims. He is
cajmere (out) used to equal the cajual sound - you are correct. 4-5
years ago, that is.
At 2:04 AM +0100 4/3/01, scott mcgill wrote:
Curtis is a top producer with a real quirkyness to the sound, we cannot all
be too serious.
I think Rush owes a bit to him.
I think he is a better producer as
I'd like to know where the line is in sampling? I mean you can take
something and do something different with it.
Evolution and influence can always be noted even without the producers
awareness (IMO).
SoulSaver on Interstellar just used a Al Green hook but I can appreciate
this track a lot.
and he's a lifelong kopite.
Shankly, Shankly, Shankly.
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From: tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Subject Detroit [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [313] DJ Bone Peel Session Live on Radio 1
hey man,
have you met
The polemical utterances of dead white male intellectuals/poets have their
place, but give me the home truths of living black musicians anyday, thanks.
Moodymann's props (+ controversial words of advice to those like m***y)
from 1997 tell it like it really is: to all the unknown artists,
Cajmere is his DJ name and Green Velvet is the live name. that is the way i
always understood it. and Green Velvet still performs live with his band of
Idiots. still doesn't change the fact that his name is curtis jones
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From: scott mcgill [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I vaguely remember that set... it was earlier than '95, I'm thinking more
like '93... he was a featured guest mixer that night on the B96 mixshow in
Chicago.
Matt
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:52:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: Nick Walsh [EMAIL
hmmm, I can understand it in one sense but didn't he sample Chic and Marvin
Gaye etc..
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From: Charles Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:24 AM
Subject: [313] Good artist steals?
The polemical utterances of dead white male
No, I have seen him many times over the years Djing as Green Velvet.
It's a recent change the way I understand it.
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From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'scott mcgill' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:29 AM
Subject: RE: [313]
Speaking of Chicago, who's stocking the Chris Gray Tried to Be Good?
jeff
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:::No, I have seen him many times over the years Djing as Green Velvet.
:::It's a recent change the way I understand it.
I Thought that :
Cajmere = house (ie brighter days etc)
Green Velvet = Techno/tech house (ie stalker/preacher man)
mind you having said that perculator is still very gv
I think he made the switch to Cajmere for most dj gigs house and/or techno
when he closed the doors on Cajual and used Green Velvet for live PA's. I
recently purchased a mix cd by him on Under the Cajmere alias that is
straight up techno. All of the stuff is quirky minimal Steve Rachmad /
FYI...
This Friday (4.6.01)
Derrick May
Zentra. 923 Weed St.
Chicago
Doors 10
312.787.0400
Cheers,
John
heheweed st.hehe
From: john sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Derrick May - Chicago - 4.6.01
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:27:05 -0400
FYI...
This Friday (4.6.01)
Derrick May
Zentra. 923 Weed St.
Chicago
Doors 10
312.787.0400
Cheers,
John
perculator was released on the Green Velvet 90's CD as a remix...Perculator
2000 i beleive
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Wilson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:18 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] Jeff Mills and song id Green Velvet
the other day i posted a help question about chicago
house sets. many people pointed to
http://deephousepage.com i am very greatful. the
amount of house history on that page is utterly
amazing. i found a lot of stuff i really enjoy
including a wizard mix show from wjlb (1989) a kevin
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, FC3 Richards wrote:
Cajmere is his DJ name and Green Velvet is the live name. that is the way i
always understood it. and Green Velvet still performs live with his band of
Idiots. still doesn't change the fact that his name is curtis jones
there's some stuff released as
30th annual Hash Bash in An Arbor is going on on April 7th..If anyone is
going and would like to meet hit me up.
Ben
On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, FC3 Richards wrote:
Cajmere is his DJ name and Green Velvet is the live name. that is the
way i
always understood it. and Green Velvet still performs live with his
band of
Idiots. still doesn't change the fact that his name is curtis jones
there's some stuff
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Hey, it was funny the first time, but i think you're labouring the joke a
bit now ;)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:19:37 -0400
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Subject: Re: [313] detroit people :: wmc listening party at record time
roseville
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what about red
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FYI, from the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/print/asection/20010329/t26998.html
Otto
Nah, mate - if anything, Mojo is the Peel of Detroit! :-) Alternatively,
Peel has been described as 'the most important figure in the history of
popular music'. And as Tim says, he is the nicest old geezer you'll meet in
this business.
TOM
He is known in the UK as the Mojo of London.
www.noiseloop.com
abum version is widley available from most uk outlets - virgin, hmv for £9.99
last time I looked
LFO : Frequencies : Warp : WARPCD3
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From: Gary Girard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My girlfriend
one of my fav music quotes is
Sad in the 20th century, in the 1990s, we still have to go thru the same
bullshit
route that other artists had to go to get acceptance. If it wasnt for the
independents,
if it wasnt for the small little cities, and the few little ghetto guys trying
to make
one of my fav music quotes is
Sad in the 20th century, in the 1990s, we still have to go
thru the same bullshit
route that other artists had to go to get acceptance. If it
wasnt for the independents,
if it wasnt for the small little cities, and the few little
ghetto guys trying
You can find and order it directly from the WARP siteamong with other
back catalog goodies
fab
In response to KDJ quotes from Charles Prince...
OK,
It takes a bit to get me to post, but here goes... I'm so sick of this
Black/White thing... Race is race, and music is music... The two are in
some ways intertwined but a piece of music is it's own entity, sentient and
soveriegn... Yes the
which i !think! is Derrick May
Speaking of whom, I got hold of George Duke's Faces In Reflection LP this
morning which features Derrick's fave, North Beach. It is an absolutely
amazing track. A solo synth workout that rivals Herbie Hancock's Nobu -
there are so many points where you think,
I believe 326 was Duane Harden. The track Just Like Heaven received a fabulous
remix treatment by Armando and Mike Dunn on Muzique Records.
RD
--- Danny Wolfers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I bought this record on Dance Mania from a certain
3.2.6.
Incredible sleazy production (Casio CZ all
Forget it Scott... Half the list has tried explaining
your point before... Do they listen? Noo... It's
like, after thousands of years of civilisation there
are still wars and famine and disease... A person is
clever but people are stupid... f**k 'em, don't bother
complaining... I wonder if
Later suckers,
I can't help but be bothered that this stereotype,
and reverse racism is
being carried on
nothing makes me want to heave up fetid piles of putrid puke more than the
phrase reverse racism...
*rolls eyes*
-k
ahhh. i see it is time for the bi-weekly techno / race debate.
what you say?!
all your race are belong to us
ab
[flip the scrip and down pitch the speed]
-Original Message-
From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:28 PM
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno Annoyance
ahhh. i see it is
500+ mixes for you to download
decent page
ab
the other day i posted a help question about chicago
house sets. many people pointed to
http://deephousepage.com i am very greatful. the
amount of house history on that page is utterly
amazing. i found a lot of stuff i really enjoy
including a
_and_ you entirely give away your level of priveledge by putting the words
race and annoyance together in your subject line..we're so sorry our
race/gender/etc. etc. etc. ANNOYS you in that you are forced to confront it
sometimes but it has much more devastating effects on US..and we can't just
I've said it before, I'll say it again. You will probably not change
anyone's views on race through email, particularly on a list this big, and
especially when things get as heated as they've become. We are a very
diverse list - racially, and geographically. Race problems manifest
themselves
Ok let's see past the colors. Obviously it doesn't matter anyways. We can't
see what color each other is over the netwaves. That is one of the beauties of
the internet. If you ask me, race is not a problem. Sure it would be great if
we were all the same color, but we're not. Music as well
Hey all.. Just wanna apologize for my post repeating itself while I was at
home. We were having problems with our Lotus Notes email servers and it
looks like my emails were victimized by it.
It took me a year to track down another copy of LFO (first one was stilen
when my car was broken into some years ago). Found it in a used music shop
here in Ann Arbor. Try second hand stores in your area.
Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/03/2001 05:16:48 AM
To: 'Gary Girard'
So this article is fact??
What about this?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/548387.asp
Is this fact also?
ibid.
Ollie
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05-28 - DEMF - DJ/Live - 1pm-3pm Underground stage
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is oh so exciting.
y'all should shut up and read this article:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_1_whats_holding_blacks.html
and please, post about a million more times about it. we'd like that.
OkI'll start off first. Homeboy is a
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So this article is fact??
What about this?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/548387.asp
Is this fact also?
There is no such thing as fact... Check the Flat Earth
Society for example... You can prove any opinion wrong
if you think about it long enough... Therefore
You are more likely to bring someone around to your
perspective if you take
the time to foster an open discussion offline than
by citing rhetorically
charged quotes in a global public forum. If your
goal is to piss people off
that don't understand where you're coming from, keep
on
Let's try something folks:
1. Pick you favorite piece of Techno.
2. Pop it in the CD player/turntable/tape deck or whatever.
3. Put your headphones on.
4. Sit down, relax. Press Play and close your eyes.
When the track is done, open your eyes and hit stop. Answer this
question:
At any time
FP!
http://www.flatplastic.com
Thje FP crew is back with a hot new mix to begin the future of FP. All
the shows will be archived and available for your listening pleasure,
per listener request. A lot of new exciting music out and we have it
here on FP, strictly the real shiznit, no
george...you couldn't have said it better.
it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i
was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK. when
i was 16 id sneak out of home and disappear down to london for the
weekend..spend all the money i
yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come to
shows and fights would happen and cops would come and i learned at an early
age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you choose to ignore it, if you
choose to not be a force for change that is fine but i won't sit
Isn't Duane Harden the person who sang the vocals for Armand's You Don't
Know Me:-)
Ciao,
Joel
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From: stuffed bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [313] 326
I believe 326 was Duane
tim maughan wrote:
it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i
was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK.
[snip]
and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved
with - weren't ANY color. hey -
Ive been on 313 for 1 day, I first subbed in about 94, but left after 3
years because of these endless threads which don't belong here (not on this
scale). So do I unsub again after 1 Day?!! Id rather not! Come on. Drop it.
Steve Taylor
yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist
yep
-Original Message-
From: Joel Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:38 AM
To: stuffed bird; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] 326
Isn't Duane Harden the person who sang the vocals for Armand's You Don't
Know Me:-)
Ciao,
Joel
- Original
30th annual Hash Bash in An Arbor is going on on April 7th..If anyone is
going and would like to meet hit me up.
wow! 30 years. it's sad that most people don't even know why hash bash
was started. to most it's just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of
stoners and smoke some
--- Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tim maughan wrote:
it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each
other like this. when i
was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at
least here in the UK.
[snip]
and the poeple i did this with - who i talked,
danced, got
--- kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where
racist skins would come to
shows and fights would happen and cops would come
and i learned at an early
age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you
choose to ignore it, if you
choose to not be a
i hope you don't think i was preaching...because thats the last thing i was
trying to do.
i understand where you're coming from...but i don't know what you want us to
do.
do want all us white kids to leave the list? to stop listening to techno? to
pack our vinyl up and send it back to detroit?
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote:
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is oh so exciting.
y'all should shut up and read this article:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_1_whats_holding_blacks.html
and please, post about a million more times about it.
fair enuff otto, good point.
- Original Message -
From: Otto Koppius [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno
tim maughan wrote:
it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when
i
was a
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Will someone tell me about the new number of names release that are supposed
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But I can't help but be bothered that this stereotype, and reverse racism
is being carried on
nothing 'reverse' about it, it's racism pure and simple...
this is the same type of argument which was used for years to suggest black
people were 'tribal' and, in colonialist eyes, less worthy
I think it needs to be understood here that race matter because that's
how most were taught growing up. Earlier I said that as children, everyone
was a friend irregardless of race. It's not until later that you are taught
that, for one reason or another, it does matter. When you're not exposed to
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Here's a fact Nick: I like Techno.
You're failing to realize that there is a considerable difference
between an opinion, which is necessarily based on a limited
amount of objective experience combined with subjective
judgements, and a fact, which might require no objective
= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
I think it needs to be understood here that race matter because that's
how most were taught growing up. Earlier I said that as children, everyone
was a friend irregardless of race. It's not until later that you are taught
that, for one reason or
and if you grew up around detroit you _know_..you must have been downtown
at some point when race relations were very tense...
As a point of fact, I marched in a demonstration opposing Apartheid in
South Africa in downtown Detroit back in like '75 or '76. I wouldn't have
if my step father hadn't
o)))
the dates for the next futuresonic festival are now confirmed
as 09-18 november 2001 at venues across manchester uk
the theme of the festival will be culture jamming and surveillance art
exploring the limits of perception in the age of surveillance technologies
also featuring the usual
here, here L!!
As for the great race debate, once and for all the argument is regarding
economics and propaganda...PURE AND SIMPLE!!
Black Amercian artists, innovators, geniuses, trailblazers have continuously
been ignored, ripped off, imitated, and/or exploited since the beginning of
music
Of course discrimination exists in the music community. But why have some
brought it to discussion here? To talk about whether it exists or to address
and correct it at any measure necessary? I would love to hear your ideas.
And I would further pose to all of you whether the music is a weapon for
Very excited to see him. Does he play live or dj usually? How does he
sound?
Some of you will be the first in line to buy your tickets,
but I caution
you. If this does, in fact, occur as it has been outlined to
me, the global
family...and I mean the FOR REAL mugs-- the world over-- will
respond. Try
to take over, white wash, distort, divert or dilute any of
no, they want people who look through a veil of ignorance to shut their
traps. i don't pretend to know everything, you shouldn't either.
Mike
From: tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
Date: Tue, 3
Some of you will be the first in line to buy your tickets,
but I caution
you. If this does, in fact, occur as it has been outlined to
me, the global
family...and I mean the FOR REAL mugs-- the world over-- will
respond. Try
to take over, white wash, distort, divert or dilute
Folks find it easier to win arguments when they demonize the opposition.
Yeah, too true. Next thing you know someone will be calling me a fascist.
Talk about shooting the messenger...though KDJ doesn't need me to defend
his views. Glad I pushed a few buttons. Though I've seen some thoughtful,
Here's one for the records: Ford Focus is sponsoring a Techno tour
(cutesy-cute) starring our boy Moby and not ONE Detroit artist who were
asked to participate WITHOUT PAY simply to substantiate their grooovy
new tag line. Coming to a theatre near you.
you might have noticed talk of
hi,
i originally wrote this message. it seems a little harsh now that i read it
again, i apologize
Mike
From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:16:07 -
no, they
It is our carved out niche for making a living in 313...that's why! How can
the esoterics of techno music/electronic dance music be separated from
whether or not we get to eat or pay our rent that week. Jsh y'all act
like the music is a separate being, god-like entity removed from those
i originally wrote this message. it seems a little
harsh now that i read it
again, i apologize
Lot of us have been making stupid comments. Including
myself (I think I'm probably the worst). I'm really
sorry about my stupid comments... I think this shows
just what a pointless thread this
With a tag line of: Ford Focus...Detroit Techno sponsoring a Moby
tour...what do you suggest?
Shall a Mike Banks or a Juan Atkins for example, sit back and let someone
else make his money and benefit from their efforts while they are
quintessentially excluded and pushed aside. What kind of
S:
If it affected your daily bread, you might flare your nostrils a bit as
well. There is nothing ridiculous about wanting to thrive wheterh you're a
white european or a balck american. We are speaking to the economics,
politics and propaganda of Dance here.
If you believe in the
W:
Thanks for the provocation regarding our chosen vocation :]
From: Charles Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] the race debate
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:07:48 -0400
Folks find it easier to win arguments when they demonize the
Let's kill of this thread. It's beginning to get counter-productive and
way off topic.
(shovels dirt on coffin)
We commit this thread to the ground from which it came... Ashes to ashes,
dust to dust.
This current race thread was started by Moby.
Specifically it was started by people who were trying to justify their
dislike of his music by noting that he used the work of black artists in
his hit songs, much like many others have in the past.
Picasso was heavily influenced by African masks,
(I hate myself for chiming in on this thread~)
Here are the facts:
Many Detroit producers have shelled out their hearts and their pocketbooks
for the thing that they love (black, white, polish, ect.). These people are
in it for the long haul. They would love to sell a million
life is not E based, i agree. but life isn't (or shouldn't be) business
based as well. what first fascinated me about this music was that i had
the impression that it wasn't based on money, that it wasn't based on
envy, that it wasn't based on racial bs. but the more i learned about the
music, the
does anyone know the exact release date of the Pharoh release on Delsin?
I thought it was early April but not sure exactly when.
thanks
matthew
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On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 05:40:52PM +, laura gavoor wrote:
With a tag line of: Ford Focus...Detroit Techno sponsoring a Moby
tour...what do you suggest?
Shall a Mike Banks or a Juan Atkins for example, sit back and let someone
else make his money and benefit from their efforts while
313 created what? Electronic dance music was not created in Detroit.
What if people started saying that black, American people have no business
sampling or being inspired by Kraftwerk?
or Kraftwerk having no business being inspired by James Brown.
this train of thought could go on
Let's kill of this thread. It's beginning to get counter-productive and
way off topic.
Then ignore it. Personally I think it's been ably shown to be most
definitely on topic, provided the participants show each other a modicum of
respect, at least. I have yet to hear anything that convinces
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 02:21:00PM -0400, Dan Sicko wrote:
What if people started saying that black, American people have no business
sampling or being inspired by Kraftwerk?
or Kraftwerk having no business being inspired by James Brown.
this train of thought could go on forever, no?
My
313 created what? Electronic dance music was not created in Detroit.
Umm, Detroit Techno.
What if people started saying that black, American people have no business
sampling or being inspired by Kraftwerk?
It would be ridiculous. Have Derrick May, Afrika Bambatta or Carl Craig
given the
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