Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Steve Jones]

heh, I just went and spend 530 bucks on a Milwaikee Packout setup so I can
work out of my truck. Even though my driving home to start drinking will
make things more efficient i think ill hold off on talking raises

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:28 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You’re gonna need a raise for being so much more efficient.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife
>
>
>
> Formally moved my office to my garage today. unpacking. I think im going
> to like late nights a whole lot more now that i have a beverage fridge in
> my workspace.
>
>
>
> I wonder how many good employees are going to become alcoholics from
> working from home. Doesnt impact me, i was already a bad employee and a
> drunk, so this just makes me better at what i do
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:10 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> Awesome response Steve! Just late enough for you to have had a beverage or
> two…..I laughed hard, thanks!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife
>
>
>
> you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me
> every time i look at cougars
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain
> lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as
> well.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a
> deer killed by cougar in his yard.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[James Howard]

You gotta think shoplifting is going to skyrocket.  Why wouldn’t someone who 
wants to shoplift just do it now?  They don’t have to worry about security 
cameras.  “Yeah officer it was the guy in the mask”.  U……. They’re all 
wearing masks.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

my buddy got told not to return to work with this mask
[90052336_10216915119138226_4661275547618246656_o.jpg]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:03 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Lots more.  Darth Vader, Phantom of the Opera, Jason, that guy from Mad Max.  
How about this:

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/covid-mask-immortan-joe-mad-max

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

Well, yeah... if you're putting on a mask that somebody else has been wearing, 
you're obviously going to have a much higher chance of getting infected than 
not wearing any mask... but that's the price you pay for not having your own 
mask.

Although Ken's movie mask idea could work pretty well... those should be easy 
to disinfect!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:29 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
bring on the gimp

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the Iron 
Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will work 
just fine...

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Loaner masks...

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager.

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where can anyone 
buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores have toilet 
paper again.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

So, did he get in?
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their 

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[James Howard]

You’re gonna need a raise for being so much more efficient.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

Formally moved my office to my garage today. unpacking. I think im going to 
like late nights a whole lot more now that i have a beverage fridge in my 
workspace.

I wonder how many good employees are going to become alcoholics from working 
from home. Doesnt impact me, i was already a bad employee and a drunk, so this 
just makes me better at what i do

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:10 PM Brian Webster 
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
Awesome response Steve! Just late enough for you to have had a beverage or 
two…..I laughed hard, thanks!

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me every 
time i look at cougars

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as
well.

bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a deer 
> killed by cougar in his yard.
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Steve Jones]

my buddy got told not to return to work with this mask
[image: 90052336_10216915119138226_4661275547618246656_o.jpg]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:03 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Lots more.  Darth Vader, Phantom of the Opera, Jason, that guy from Mad
> Max.  How about this:
>
>
>
> https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/covid-mask-immortan-joe-mad-max
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Well, yeah... if you're putting on a mask that somebody else has been
> wearing, you're obviously going to have a much higher chance of getting
> infected than not wearing any mask... but that's the price you pay for not
> having your own mask.
>
>
>
> Although Ken's movie mask idea could work pretty well... those should be
> easy to disinfect!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:29 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> bring on the gimp
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the
> Iron Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will
> work just fine...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>
> Loaner masks...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started
> summoning a manager.
>
>
>
> I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners
> for people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be
> nice to have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where
> can anyone buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores
> have toilet paper again.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> So, did he get in?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>
>
>
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or
> cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I
> stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
> social distancing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart,
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling
> him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I
> angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s
> assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze
> past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really
> seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>
>
>
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>
>
>
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>
>
>
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Steve Jones]

Formally moved my office to my garage today. unpacking. I think im going to
like late nights a whole lot more now that i have a beverage fridge in my
workspace.

I wonder how many good employees are going to become alcoholics from
working from home. Doesnt impact me, i was already a bad employee and a
drunk, so this just makes me better at what i do

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:10 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Awesome response Steve! Just late enough for you to have had a beverage or
> two…..I laughed hard, thanks!
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife
>
>
>
> you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me
> every time i look at cougars
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain
> lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as
> well.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a
> deer killed by cougar in his yard.
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Brian Webster]

Awesome response Steve! Just late enough for you to have had a beverage or 
two…..I laughed hard, thanks!

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

 

you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me every 
time i look at cougars

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as 
well.

bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a deer 
> killed by cougar in his yard.
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Ken Hohhof]

Lots more.  Darth Vader, Phantom of the Opera, Jason, that guy from Mad Max.  
How about this:

 

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/covid-mask-immortan-joe-mad-max

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Well, yeah... if you're putting on a mask that somebody else has been wearing, 
you're obviously going to have a much higher chance of getting infected than 
not wearing any mask... but that's the price you pay for not having your own 
mask.

 

Although Ken's movie mask idea could work pretty well... those should be easy 
to disinfect!

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:29 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

bring on the gimp

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the Iron 
Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will work 
just fine...

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Loaner masks...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager.

 

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where can anyone 
buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores have toilet 
paper again.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

So, did he get in?

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

 

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

 

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

 

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

 

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

 

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Steve Jones]

you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me
every time i look at cougars

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain
> lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as
> well.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a
> deer killed by cougar in his yard.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[James Howard]

[Batman The Dark Knight Rise Bane Mask Replica Helmet]

Only $23.95 on Amazon.  Every business should have a box of these by the door.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

bring on the gimp

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the Iron 
Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will work 
just fine...

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Loaner masks...

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager.

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where can anyone 
buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores have toilet 
paper again.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

So, did he get in?
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.


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Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Bill Prince]

We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as 
well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a deer 
killed by cougar in his yard.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[David Coudron]

Well, not as cool as a cougar, but last night the door bell camera alerts me to 
motion.   I check out the video and it is a bat crawling down the brick about 
an inch from the camera.   

The wife was not impressed when she saw the video

I'd attach it, but don't want to clog up email inboxes.  

Regards,

David Coudron


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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT wildlife


Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a deer 
killed by cougar in his yard.
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[AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Chuck McCown]

Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a deer 
killed by cougar in his yard.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Mathew Howard]

Well, yeah... if you're putting on a mask that somebody else has been
wearing, you're obviously going to have a much higher chance of getting
infected than not wearing any mask... but that's the price you pay for not
having your own mask.

Although Ken's movie mask idea could work pretty well... those should be
easy to disinfect!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:29 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> bring on the gimp
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the
>> Iron Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will
>> work just fine...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Loaner masks...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>>
>>
>>
>> I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance
>> started summoning a manager.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have
>> loaners for people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It
>> would be nice to have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.
>> But where can anyone buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least
>> the stores have toilet paper again.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>>
>>
>>
>> So, did he get in?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
>> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting
>> the number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one
>> way arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart
>> whether they need one or not because that is how they count how many people
>> are in the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape
>> or cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The
>> one I stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
>> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
>> social distancing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the
>> above.  Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take
>> a cart, and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was
>> telling him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When
>> I angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault,
>> that’s assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to
>> squeeze past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it
>> really seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
>> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
>> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
>> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
>> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
>> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
>> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
>> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
>> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
>> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
>> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>>
>>
>>
>> Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared
>> illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Steve Jones]

bring on the gimp

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the
> Iron Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will
> work just fine...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>
> Loaner masks...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started
> summoning a manager.
>
>
>
> I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners
> for people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be
> nice to have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where
> can anyone buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores
> have toilet paper again.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> So, did he get in?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>
>
>
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or
> cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I
> stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
> social distancing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart,
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling
> him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I
> angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s
> assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze
> past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really
> seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>
>
>
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>
>
>
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>
>
>
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared
> illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Ken Hohhof]

I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the Iron 
Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will work 
just fine...

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Loaner masks...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager.

 

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where can anyone 
buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores have toilet 
paper again.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

So, did he get in?

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

 

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

 

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

 

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

 

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

 

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Lewis Bergman]

The issue with loaning masks is that the person borrowing it may be
infected. It protects other people except those that borrow the master of
somebody who has an infection. in our town we recently had 35 people get
infected within a day because this food manufacturing company was providing
Mass to its employees as part of its standard food preparation program. So
infected people put it on mass then put them in a common box which were
then shared by the on the next shift by those who are not infected
infecting almost the entire plant.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will
> work just fine...
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>
>> Loaner masks...
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>>
>>
>> I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance
>> started summoning a manager.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have
>> loaners for people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It
>> would be nice to have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.
>> But where can anyone buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least
>> the stores have toilet paper again.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>>
>>
>>
>> So, did he get in?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
>> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting
>> the number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one
>> way arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart
>> whether they need one or not because that is how they count how many people
>> are in the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape
>> or cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The
>> one I stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
>> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
>> social distancing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the
>> above.  Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take
>> a cart, and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was
>> telling him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When
>> I angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault,
>> that’s assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to
>> squeeze past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it
>> really seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
>> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
>> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
>> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
>> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
>> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
>> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
>> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
>> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
>> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
>> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>>
>>
>>
>> Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared
>> illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Mathew Howard]

Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will
work just fine...

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM  wrote:

> Loaner masks...
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
> I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started
> summoning a manager.
>
>
>
> I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners
> for people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be
> nice to have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where
> can anyone buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores
> have toilet paper again.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> So, did he get in?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>
>
>
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or
> cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I
> stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
> social distancing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart,
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling
> him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I
> angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s
> assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze
> past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really
> seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>
>
>
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>
>
>
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>
>
>
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[chuck]

Loaner masks...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager.

 

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where can anyone 
buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores have toilet 
paper again.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

So, did he get in?

Sent from my iPhone





  On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  

  Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

   

  Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

   

  Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

   

  Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

   

  As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t 
mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

   

  I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

   

  Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .

  https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Ken Hohhof]

Good for her.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Not sure if I told you my youngest almost got arrested at Walmart for side 
kicking a lady who would not back off after my daughter told her to please step 
back several times ..instead she laughed and came closer...she was backing her 
into another shopper when she let it go...knocked her on her ass...wind knocked 
out... luckily others saw the lady do this to someone else and saw her do same 
to my daughter...I think Chuck wanted to knock someones teeth out as well.

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 5:00 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

So, did he get in?

Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

 

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

 

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

 

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

 

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

 

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Ken Hohhof]

I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager.

 

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where can anyone 
buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores have toilet 
paper again.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

So, did he get in?

Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

 

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

 

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

 

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

 

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

 

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Jaime Solorza]

Not sure if I told you my youngest almost got arrested at Walmart for side
kicking a lady who would not back off after my daughter told her to please
step back several times ..instead she laughed and came closer...she was
backing her into another shopper when she let it go...knocked her on her
ass...wind knocked out... luckily others saw the lady do this to someone
else and saw her do same to my daughter...I think Chuck wanted to knock
someones teeth out as well.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 5:00 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So, did he get in?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>
>
>
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or
> cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I
> stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
> social distancing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart,
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling
> him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I
> angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s
> assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze
> past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really
> seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>
>
>
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>
>
>
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>
>
>
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared
> illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

We have an oddly high number of undocumented living here, not sure where
theyre working. The house on the corner by me had enforcement a few years
ago, they pulled 27 mattresses out of the 2 bedroom house, they said people
were even sleeping in the crawl space. In the ambulance days we got called
for a guy who had passed away in a 6 unit complex, police said when they
got there there was a flood of people running out the back, mattresses
everywhere. Apparently the landlord had an "arrangement" we have a weekly
rental motel here, 5 to 6 to a room. And this is a small town in central
illinois.

How do those poor people isolate if ones infected (contrary to a lot of my
sides presentation of these people, they take care of one another more than
we do at times). nobody can offer any temporary housing help, ICE will show
up. They cant go to the hospital, ICE will show up. One staff infected
effectively means a measurable percentage is infected.

Re-opening wont have this problem, since they wont be able to come back, so
infection management, testing, and tracing, will be a whole lot easier. Of
course finding staff will be a bear, whose going to give up an extra 600 on
top of their unemployment check to go do crummy work under the government
thumb. with as cold as it is in those facilities, SCBA is a real option,
assuming there is enough on the market to support one plant, let alone the
industry. You have to wonder though with the industry being so impacted,
how much of that meat will show up in the tracings as a vector


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:45 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> They need to address spread between workers inside the plants (on the line
> and in common areas), but I also doubt the workers are going home to
> spacious single family dwellings.  I’d guess they live in somewhat crowded
> conditions, and have family and neighbors who also work at the plant.  So
> it’s probably spreading in and out of the plant.  Even if they were testing
> all the workers, where would the infected ones go to isolate?  All probably
> solvable problems, but is anyone actually solving them?
>
>
>
> I saw something about India, that opening businesses back up could
> actually help because people are more crowded at home than at work.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
>
>
> I have in smaller ones. I can tell you that its one of the few times you
> and I will agree on ICE activity, they need to stay the hell out of this. I
> would put money down that tracing is going to show that this got that bad
> in this industry because there is a ton of undocumented workforce, who was
> too scared to seek medical treatment, had nowhere to isolate and
> realistically had nothing to fall back on if they didnt push on through the
> sickness. ICE needed to be completely blocked from almost all COVID related
> enforcement action inside our borders.
>
>
>
> The facilities can be sanitized quickly, its in the nature of the
> facilities to do so. Proximity is probably one of the biggest issues
> in managing the risk, but its still manageable. The biggest issue is
> clearing the workforce to come back, second biggest is actually getting
> them to come back knowing ICE is waiting. i think looking at UV options in
> the facilities is definitely something that needs to be done, but I dont
> know what it does to the meat proteins
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> You and I both know the conditions are very different at those
> locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have
> installing instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing
> plants as well...not the same.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
> masks good, food bad. Check
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> What a stupid move...
>
> Send him and his family to work in there.
>
>
> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
> Tuesday.
>
> Let's see what happens today.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Chuck McCown]

So, did he get in?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
> being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>  
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether 
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in 
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones 
> to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped 
> at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the 
> state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social 
> distancing.
>  
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, 
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him 
> that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my 
> cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  
> Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and 
> refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like 
> he was the one doing the assaulting.
>  
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
> than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
> didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
> my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
> peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just 
> because they’re new and confusing.
>  
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t 
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
> by coughing and sneezing on others.
>  
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
> taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of 
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Robert]

But maybe they will require a UV light up the rectum...

On 4/29/20 3:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I so hope they keep the aisle arrows. its hard to get used to but 
flows so much better.
I dont want to wear masks, i know some of the stores that arent going 
to enforce it, ill go there. If i do have to go to one 
thats enforcing, F them, ill show them, ill put my mask on and follow 
their rules to a T, that will teach them. Its a damn mask, theyre not 
asking us to shove a coconut up our asses and skip through the store 
(I WISH).


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:36 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store
with a guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit,
limiting the number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at
registers and one way arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are
giving each person a cart whether they need one or not because
that is how they count how many people are in the store (Home
Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to
guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I
stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to
wear masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where
you can’t do social distancing.

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the
above.  Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask,
wouldn’t take a cart, and elbowed his way past me trying to escape
the greeter who was telling him that he needed to wear a mask and
shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to block his path
he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that he
was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and
refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really
seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires
anyone other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their
store, their rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I
would have left and not tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in
the store seemed to have any issues, they were peacefully
shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just
because they’re new and confusing.

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority
doesn’t mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things
could open up, with appropriate modifications.  But not if
somebody wants to express their rights by coughing and sneezing on
others.

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local
custom by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when
visiting churches of other faiths or traveling overseas.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Steve Jones]

Imma find your address, I just had to pay 1.99 again for my Tyson thighs.



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:39 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> You might be right.  But I don’t think folks buy the same things.  I buy
> all of Steve’s chicken thighs for home but rarely order anything in the
> restaurant that is made from chicken thighs (that I know of ).  I think
> folks buy more soup and bread for home than than chicken and steak.  But I
> haven’t seen the numbers to back that up.  Or maybe their whole grocery
> bill is shot on toilet paper.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> *From:* AF  on behalf of Robert <
> i...@avantwireless.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:22:10 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> I can't see how restaurants closed make a difference in the overall
> consumption as there are the same number of mouths, just different
> consumption locations..
>
> On 4/29/20 3:00 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> I think the insurance question is a big “it depends”.   I know one of the
> chicken producers here couldn’t get an any insurance relief since it was a
> cancelled contract.   The purchaser actually came out and did the
> destroying of the chickens.   He had no options for recovery, cancelled
> contract with no insurable event means lost income, and that is it.   The
> good news for him was that it was contract growing, so the purchaser paid
> for feed, etc.   But there are different situations that might be more
> insurable. Especially when you aren’t contract raising and you pay for feed
> on your own.
>
>
>
> I think the take away of this for me is that the disruption from plants
> closing is going to mean some kind of meat shortage at the grocery store.
> Hopefully the reduction in demand for restaurant based use offsets the
> shortage in meat in the supply chain, but I am guessing it won’t fully
> cancel the reduction in meat coming from the plants.
>
>
>
> Better stock up on chicken thighs and bacon…
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> I was listening to a lady talk about it and explaining the assembly line
> and how it only operates if all components operate. Its kind of impressive
> to see something so massive that requires so many parts to be functioning
> having been chugging along all this time without a breakdown. Predicting
> how many head will be in demand 3-18 months down the line probably is a
> little bit more than farmer jim just guessing, there has to be an amazing
> amount of statistical data in play at any given time. Beef guys, a year and
> a half ago had no way of seeing this brick coming at their face, hogs 3
> months ago, im guessing saw the writing on the wall with china croaking
> off, but they still had 90 days of hogs in the pipe. I cant imagine that,
> seeing it coming and knowing that right around the corner youre going to
> have to do a major culling.
>
>
>
> Anybody know if this is insurable or is it one of those act of god?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:26 PM  wrote:
>
> Do you do a short or long position.
>
> Short would be to kill all the little pigs in the assembly line now and
> shut it down.  Save the adults for the hope you can sell them.
>
> Long would be kill the adults and keep the assembly line moving.
>
>
>
> Glad I don’t have to do that coin toss.  I think long is the way to go.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:46 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make
> sense. A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown
> stock to make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into
> feed, antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown
> loss is less than juvenile loss. Maybe your right, that just isn't the way
> the cattle business works. Of course maybe the gestational cycle and time
> difference to adulthood makes a difference.
>
>
>
> I just know every pound on an animal represents cost so if you are going
> to kill something, kill the unproven babies before they cost you more money.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM  wrote:
>
> Costs money to feed and take care of them.  They have younger ones coming
> up through the assembly line that needs the space.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them?
>
> On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> And so it starts…… ☹  (it might have been happening a while already)
>
>
>
> The 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Steve Jones]

I so hope they keep the aisle arrows. its hard to get used to but flows so
much better.
I dont want to wear masks, i know some of the stores that arent going to
enforce it, ill go there. If i do have to go to one thats enforcing, F
them, ill show them, ill put my mask on and follow their rules to a T, that
will teach them. Its a damn mask, theyre not asking us to shove a coconut
up our asses and skip through the store (I WISH).

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:36 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>
>
>
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or
> cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I
> stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
> social distancing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart,
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling
> him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I
> angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s
> assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze
> past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really
> seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>
>
>
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>
>
>
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>
>
>
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Ken Hohhof]

They need to address spread between workers inside the plants (on the line and 
in common areas), but I also doubt the workers are going home to spacious 
single family dwellings.  I’d guess they live in somewhat crowded conditions, 
and have family and neighbors who also work at the plant.  So it’s probably 
spreading in and out of the plant.  Even if they were testing all the workers, 
where would the infected ones go to isolate?  All probably solvable problems, 
but is anyone actually solving them?

 

I saw something about India, that opening businesses back up could actually 
help because people are more crowded at home than at work.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

 

I have in smaller ones. I can tell you that its one of the few times you and I 
will agree on ICE activity, they need to stay the hell out of this. I would put 
money down that tracing is going to show that this got that bad in this 
industry because there is a ton of undocumented workforce, who was too scared 
to seek medical treatment, had nowhere to isolate and realistically had nothing 
to fall back on if they didnt push on through the sickness. ICE needed to be 
completely blocked from almost all COVID related enforcement action inside our 
borders.

 

The facilities can be sanitized quickly, its in the nature of the facilities to 
do so. Proximity is probably one of the biggest issues in managing the risk, 
but its still manageable. The biggest issue is clearing the workforce to come 
back, second biggest is actually getting them to come back knowing ICE is 
waiting. i think looking at UV options in the facilities is definitely 
something that needs to be done, but I dont know what it does to the meat 
proteins 

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You and I both know the conditions are very different at those 
locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have installing 
instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing plants as 
well...not the same.

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and masks 
good, food bad. Check

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What a stupid move...

Send him and his family to work in there.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the quantity 
drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on Tuesday.

Let's see what happens today.

 

bp

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Ken Hohhof]

Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

 

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

 

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

 

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

 

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

 

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[chuck]

Not quite like shutting down an assembly line for washing machines.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I was listening to a lady talk about it and explaining the assembly line and 
how it only operates if all components operate. Its kind of impressive to see 
something so massive that requires so many parts to be functioning having been 
chugging along all this time without a breakdown. Predicting how many head will 
be in demand 3-18 months down the line probably is a little bit more than 
farmer jim just guessing, there has to be an amazing amount of statistical data 
in play at any given time. Beef guys, a year and a half ago had no way of 
seeing this brick coming at their face, hogs 3 months ago, im guessing saw the 
writing on the wall with china croaking off, but they still had 90 days of hogs 
in the pipe. I cant imagine that, seeing it coming and knowing that right 
around the corner youre going to have to do a major culling.  

Anybody know if this is insurable or is it one of those act of god?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:26 PM  wrote:

  Do you do a short or long position.
  Short would be to kill all the little pigs in the assembly line now and shut 
it down.  Save the adults for the hope you can sell them.
  Long would be kill the adults and keep the assembly line moving.  

  Glad I don’t have to do that coin toss.  I think long is the way to go.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:46 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make 
sense. A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown 
stock to make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into 
feed, antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown 
loss is less than juvenile loss. Maybe your right, that just isn't the way the 
cattle business works. Of course maybe the gestational cycle and time 
difference to adulthood makes a difference.  

  I just know every pound on an animal represents cost so if you are going to 
kill something, kill the unproven babies before they cost you more money.

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM  wrote:

Costs money to feed and take care of them.  They have younger ones coming 
up through the assembly line that needs the space.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them?


On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote:

  And so it starts…… ☹  (it might have been happening a while already)



  The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be 
happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with the 
fact that there is no one buying finished hogs.   Taking this much meat out of 
the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery stores.



  Tough to see.



  Regards,



  David Coudron



  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of James Howard
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan



  The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus.  I’m not sure 
where we’ll go now.  It looks like there are several around the Monroe area 
though so maybe I’ll check out one of those.  I’m waiting to hear back from our 
4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I guess.



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan



  Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when 
our primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the 
price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb 
show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan



  Where do you go to?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

I have in smaller ones. I can tell you that its one of the few times you
and I will agree on ICE activity, they need to stay the hell out of this. I
would put money down that tracing is going to show that this got that bad
in this industry because there is a ton of undocumented workforce, who was
too scared to seek medical treatment, had nowhere to isolate and
realistically had nothing to fall back on if they didnt push on through the
sickness. ICE needed to be completely blocked from almost all COVID related
enforcement action inside our borders.

The facilities can be sanitized quickly, its in the nature of the
facilities to do so. Proximity is probably one of the biggest issues
in managing the risk, but its still manageable. The biggest issue is
clearing the workforce to come back, second biggest is actually getting
them to come back knowing ICE is waiting. i think looking at UV options in
the facilities is definitely something that needs to be done, but I dont
know what it does to the meat proteins

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You and I both know the conditions are very different at those
> locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have
> installing instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing
> plants as well...not the same.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
>> masks good, food bad. Check
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a stupid move...
>>> Send him and his family to work in there.
>>>
>>> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
 quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
 Tuesday.

 Let's see what happens today.


 bp
 


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[AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Jaime Solorza]

Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Steve Jones]

I was listening to a lady talk about it and explaining the assembly line
and how it only operates if all components operate. Its kind of impressive
to see something so massive that requires so many parts to be functioning
having been chugging along all this time without a breakdown. Predicting
how many head will be in demand 3-18 months down the line probably is a
little bit more than farmer jim just guessing, there has to be an amazing
amount of statistical data in play at any given time. Beef guys, a year and
a half ago had no way of seeing this brick coming at their face, hogs 3
months ago, im guessing saw the writing on the wall with china croaking
off, but they still had 90 days of hogs in the pipe. I cant imagine that,
seeing it coming and knowing that right around the corner youre going to
have to do a major culling.

Anybody know if this is insurable or is it one of those act of god?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:26 PM  wrote:

> Do you do a short or long position.
> Short would be to kill all the little pigs in the assembly line now and
> shut it down.  Save the adults for the hope you can sell them.
> Long would be kill the adults and keep the assembly line moving.
>
> Glad I don’t have to do that coin toss.  I think long is the way to go.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make
> sense. A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown
> stock to make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into
> feed, antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown
> loss is less than juvenile loss. Maybe your right, that just isn't the way
> the cattle business works. Of course maybe the gestational cycle and time
> difference to adulthood makes a difference.
>
> I just know every pound on an animal represents cost so if you are going
> to kill something, kill the unproven babies before they cost you more money.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM  wrote:
>
>> Costs money to feed and take care of them.  They have younger ones coming
>> up through the assembly line that needs the space.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>
>>
>> Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them?
>> On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>>
>> And so it starts…… ☹  (it might have been happening a while already)
>>
>>
>>
>> The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be
>> happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with
>> the fact that there is no one buying finished hogs.   Taking this much meat
>> out of the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery
>> stores.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tough to see.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *James Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>
>>
>>
>> The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus.  I’m not sure
>> where we’ll go now.  It looks like there are several around the Monroe area
>> though so maybe I’ll check out one of those.  I’m waiting to hear back from
>> our 4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I
>> guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when
>> our primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"James Howard" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>>
>> For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the
>> price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Jaime Solorza]

You and I both know the conditions are very different at those
locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have
installing instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing
plants as well...not the same.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
> masks good, food bad. Check
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> What a stupid move...
>> Send him and his family to work in there.
>>
>> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
>>> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
>>> Let's see what happens today.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: image]
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[chuck]

Do you do a short or long position.
Short would be to kill all the little pigs in the assembly line now and shut it 
down.  Save the adults for the hope you can sell them.
Long would be kill the adults and keep the assembly line moving.  

Glad I don’t have to do that coin toss.  I think long is the way to go.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make sense. 
A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown stock to 
make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into feed, 
antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown loss is 
less than juvenile loss. Maybe your right, that just isn't the way the cattle 
business works. Of course maybe the gestational cycle and time difference to 
adulthood makes a difference.  

I just know every pound on an animal represents cost so if you are going to 
kill something, kill the unproven babies before they cost you more money.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM  wrote:

  Costs money to feed and take care of them.  They have younger ones coming up 
through the assembly line that needs the space.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them?


  On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote:

And so it starts…… ☹  (it might have been happening a while already)



The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be 
happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with the 
fact that there is no one buying finished hogs.   Taking this much meat out of 
the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery stores.



Tough to see.



Regards,



David Coudron



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan



The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus.  I’m not sure 
where we’ll go now.  It looks like there are several around the Monroe area 
though so maybe I’ll check out one of those.  I’m waiting to hear back from our 
4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I guess.



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan



Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our 
primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "James Howard" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the 
price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb 
show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan



Where do you go to?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "James Howard" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop 
in August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says 
they’re booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked 4-6 
months out but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are starting to 
get that way too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about 
the pigs since we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go 
straight to the butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of 
those to figure out too.



I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to let 
the kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture)



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

[TJ Trout]

Wifi calling will always prefer wifi over lte so not sure why you see that
behavior.

You can always turn cellular off and keep wifi on to force wifi calling.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 11:57 AM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> The calls started after we upgraded Wimax to LTE, so we suspect it is
> something in our LTE setup.
>
> Someone suggested we try DMZ, we are giving that a try.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:01 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE
>
>
>
> Double NAT VZW wifi calling is working for me pretty regularly.  It's had
> quite a lot of improvements over the last few years, but it's good enough
> that I can say it "works OK".  My primary complaint is that if I have 1x 1
> bar and it thinks there is connectivity, it won't even bother with WiFi
> calling.  It'll just fail in attempting the mobile network.
>
>
>
> Are 100% of your customers on Telrad having this problem and 0% errors
> elsewhere?  Are you certain it's limited to Telrad?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:16 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> In my experience, Verizon WiFi calling gets broken from (1) Double NAT,
> and (2) fragmented packets.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/28/2020 11:53 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Customers with a Verizon cell phone using WiFi calling are unable to get
> calls in or out on our Telrad LTE network. Anyone else come across this
> problem? Ideas? Fix?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and
masks good, food bad. Check

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What a stupid move...
> Send him and his family to work in there.
>
> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
>> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> Let's see what happens today.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Lewis Bergman]

I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make
sense. A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown
stock to make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into
feed, antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown
loss is less than juvenile loss. Maybe your right, that just isn't the way
the cattle business works. Of course maybe the gestational cycle and time
difference to adulthood makes a difference.

I just know every pound on an animal represents cost so if you are going to
kill something, kill the unproven babies before they cost you more money.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM  wrote:

> Costs money to feed and take care of them.  They have younger ones coming
> up through the assembly line that needs the space.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
> Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them?
> On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> And so it starts…… ☹  (it might have been happening a while already)
>
>
>
> The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be
> happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with
> the fact that there is no one buying finished hogs.   Taking this much meat
> out of the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery
> stores.
>
>
>
> Tough to see.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus.  I’m not sure
> where we’ll go now.  It looks like there are several around the Monroe area
> though so maybe I’ll check out one of those.  I’m waiting to hear back from
> our 4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I
> guess.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our
> primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"James Howard" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the
> price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a
> 80lb show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Where do you go to?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"James Howard" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher
> shop in August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me
> says they’re booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked
> 4-6 months out but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are
> starting to get that way too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need
> to 

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[chuck]

Costs money to feed and take care of them.  They have younger ones coming up 
through the assembly line that needs the space.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them?


On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote:

  And so it starts…… ☹  (it might have been happening a while already)

   

  The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be 
happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with the 
fact that there is no one buying finished hogs.   Taking this much meat out of 
the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery stores.

   

  Tough to see.

   

  Regards,

   

  David Coudron

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of James Howard
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus.  I’m not sure 
where we’ll go now.  It looks like there are several around the Monroe area 
though so maybe I’ll check out one of those.  I’m waiting to hear back from our 
4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I guess.

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our 
primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "James Howard" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the 
price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb 
show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  Where do you go to?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "James Howard" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop 
in August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says 
they’re booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked 4-6 
months out but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are starting to 
get that way too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about 
the pigs since we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go 
straight to the butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of 
those to figure out too.

   

  I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to let 
the kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture)

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 

   

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

Time to get your hunting attire out.  

 

-- 
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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 




From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Jason McKemie]

That's pretty brutal.  Why are they killing them with no one to buy them?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:59 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> And so it starts…… ☹  (it might have been happening a while already)
>
>
>
> The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be
> happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with
> the fact that there is no one buying finished hogs.   Taking this much meat
> out of the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery
> stores.
>
>
>
> Tough to see.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus.  I’m not sure
> where we’ll go now.  It looks like there are several around the Monroe area
> though so maybe I’ll check out one of those.  I’m waiting to hear back from
> our 4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I
> guess.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our
> primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"James Howard" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the
> price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a
> 80lb show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Where do you go to?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"James Howard" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher
> shop in August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me
> says they’re booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked
> 4-6 months out but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are
> starting to get that way too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need
> to worry about the pigs since we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway
> so they go straight to the butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then
> I have 3 of those to figure out too.
>
>
>
> I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to
> let the kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H,
> raising and showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money
> making venture)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are
> 2 weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
> Time to get your hunting attire out.
>
>
>
> --
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> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Jaime Solorza]

What a stupid move...
Send him and his family to work in there.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where the
> quantity drops on Sunday, then picks up again on Monday, then more on
> Tuesday.
>
> Let's see what happens today.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[James Howard]

The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus.  I’m not sure where 
we’ll go now.  It looks like there are several around the Monroe area though so 
maybe I’ll check out one of those.  I’m waiting to hear back from our 4H club’s 
Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I guess.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our 
primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.


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From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the price 
of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb show 
pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Where do you go to?


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From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop in 
August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says they’re 
booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked 4-6 months out 
but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are starting to get that way 
too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about the pigs since 
we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go straight to the 
butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of those to figure out 
too.

I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to let the 
kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture)

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Time to get your hunting attire out.

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From: "Mike Hammett" 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

[SmarterBroadband]

The calls started after we upgraded Wimax to LTE, so we suspect it is something 
in our LTE setup.

Someone suggested we try DMZ, we are giving that a try.

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

 

Double NAT VZW wifi calling is working for me pretty regularly.  It's had quite 
a lot of improvements over the last few years, but it's good enough that I can 
say it "works OK".  My primary complaint is that if I have 1x 1 bar and it 
thinks there is connectivity, it won't even bother with WiFi calling.  It'll 
just fail in attempting the mobile network.

 

Are 100% of your customers on Telrad having this problem and 0% errors 
elsewhere?  Are you certain it's limited to Telrad?

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:16 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

In my experience, Verizon WiFi calling gets broken from (1) Double NAT, and (2) 
fragmented packets.

 

bp

 

On 4/28/2020 11:53 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Customers with a Verizon cell phone using WiFi calling are unable to get calls 
in or out on our Telrad LTE network. Anyone else come across this problem? 
Ideas? Fix?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] tower work

[chuck]

Thanks, I will forward it.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower work

A guy I know has had a tower busines in that area for decades. He can do 
anything. I have no idea how his prices are, I just know he can get the job 
done right and you don't have to babysit him to do it. 
https://advtower.com/  

Cliff Barbararie
505-235-3793  Cell


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

  I have a person asking for the following:

I have some builds with the Pueblos near Albuquerque. Can you recommend any 
tower contractors in the area?
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Re: [AFMUG] tower work

[Lewis Bergman]

A guy I know has had a tower busines in that area for decades. He can do
anything. I have no idea how his prices are, I just know he can get the job
done right and you don't have to babysit him to do it.
https://advtower.com/
Cliff Barbararie
505-235-3793  Cell


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:

> I have a person asking for the following:
>
>
> I have some builds with the Pueblos near Albuquerque. Can you recommend
> any tower contractors in the area?
>
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[AFMUG] tower work

[chuck]

I have a person asking for the following:

  I have some builds with the Pueblos near Albuquerque. Can you recommend any 
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

[Josh Luthman]

https://community.ui.com/questions/New-Cambium-gear/48ac973e-1baf-4e07-a38f-3be62c607004?page=6


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:56 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> I suspect they saw Ubiquiti ripping up a lot of their lower-end market and
> taking some larger-scale contracts, and they wanted to fight back, thus
> ePMP.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:51 AM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Who are they "avenging?"
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There are references to the name "Avenger" in the ePMP MIB.  Is that an
>>> old working title for the product?  If so, why didn't they keep it?  I
>>> like that name better.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[James Howard]

Even taking 1 or 2 animals in, most places around here seem to schedule them 
now.  It’s just getting a lot further out than it used to be.  We do have one 
place about an hour away that appears to still be “let us know 2 days before” 
and butchers every Tuesday.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:56 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Are you talking about a place you take a truckload of pigs or cows to?  Or just 
a meat retailer?

The people I know who raise a few cows for meat have always had to make 
appointments.  Like, if that day comes and it’s pouring rain, you’re still 
backing up the truck in the mud and taking your cows to be turned into steaks 
because that’s when your appointment is.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Time to get your hunting attire out.

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From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.


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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed.

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.


But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up.


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From: "David Coudron" 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

[Tyson Burris]

We put our own power in but yes we power the 820s and 450M's with Rack 
injectors just fine.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:45 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

Thanks Ken.
If anyone else can confirm this that would be great. I have a call into Forest 
as well to see if he can confirm it.
Brandon


From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

I believe the answer is yes.  You can use the same Cambium 65W AC powered POE 
with both, and I believe we have powered PTP820S with +56V at a DC site using 
Chuck's CAT6-POE-APC inserters using a standard 802.3 powering scheme on all 4 
pairs.

I would not however assume that the internal designs are the same between 
PTP820 and PMP450 because they are both from Cambium, the PTP820 is actually a 
Ceragon design.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

Quick question ( I hope ) for the list.

Setting up out first 820 ptp tpday and powering them with packetflux rack 
injectors.

Before I plug these in I want to verify that they are powered on the same 
scheme as a 450m AP?
Powering with Packetflux rack injector 48v 3amp power supply.

Thanks,
Brandon

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[AFMUG] Server room temperature monitoring

[Nate Burke]

I'd like to do a bunch of temperature monitoring in a server room. 
Hot/Cold Aisle, multiple racks input/output.  I have used an ITWatchdogs 
'MiniGoose XP II' at another location, but it's like that product has 
never existed, even though I have one.  It was a single Ethernet 
interface, with 16 temperature probes.


The Current 'Watchdog' Products look like they only support a max of 8 
probes and their part numbering is really confusing.


What are people using to do environmental monitoring?  I don't need any 
control, just monitoring.  I thought Packetflux had a unit with 4 or 5 
temp probe inputs, but I can't find it now.  I'd like to have 10-15 
sensors to place around the room to see if I'm having airflow problems.  
One of my Colo Customers is complaining about losing Hard disks and 
power supplies to heat, but my current monitoring isn't showing any 
temperature problems, and the HVAC in/out temps have had no changes.


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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Mike Hammett]

Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our 
primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up. 




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- Original Message -

From: "James Howard"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



For shows? Just our local county fair. “Show” feed is about double the price of 
“normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb show pig 
than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs…… 



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Where do you go to? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "James Howard" < ja...@litewire.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 
I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop in 
August. The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says they’re 
booked through summer of 2021. I think they’re usually booked 4-6 months out 
but this is far past that. I’ve heard that others are starting to get that way 
too. IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about the pigs since 
we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go straight to the 
butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of those to figure out 
too. 

I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane. I picked a BAD year to let the 
kids start showing steers….. (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture) 



From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney < st...@wavedirect.org > wrote: 





Time to get your hunting attire out. 



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From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 




Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed. 

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. 





But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up. 



- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 
I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and when 
we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large operations. 
Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog operation, and it is 
way too much work for what you can make. So everything consolidated into large, 
efficient operations. As many know, they have been dumping milk because they 
have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or the 

Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Thanks Ken.

If anyone else can confirm this that would be great. I have a call into
Forest as well to see if he can confirm it.

Brandon

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:52 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

 

I believe the answer is yes.  You can use the same Cambium 65W AC powered
POE with both, and I believe we have powered PTP820S with +56V at a DC site
using Chuck's CAT6-POE-APC inserters using a standard 802.3 powering scheme
on all 4 pairs.

 

I would not however assume that the internal designs are the same between
PTP820 and PMP450 because they are both from Cambium, the PTP820 is actually
a Ceragon design.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

 

Quick question ( I hope ) for the list. 

 

Setting up out first 820 ptp tpday and powering them with packetflux rack
injectors. 

 

Before I plug these in I want to verify that they are powered on the same
scheme as a 450m AP?

Powering with Packetflux rack injector 48v 3amp power supply.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[James Howard]

For shows?  Just our local county fair.  “Show” feed is about double the price 
of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb show 
pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Where do you go to?


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From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop in 
August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says they’re 
booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked 4-6 months out 
but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are starting to get that way 
too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about the pigs since 
we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go straight to the 
butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of those to figure out 
too.

I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to let the 
kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture)

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Time to get your hunting attire out.

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To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.


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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed.

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[chuck]

And that is the type of data consumption and analysis that creates fodder for 
the tin foil hat crowd.  Just like the reporters that said Bloomberg could have 
given us all $1M...



From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than in 
1960. since only the number matters. We dont need seatbelts or airbags because 
obviously they are making cars more dangerous. Safety glass and crumple zones 
are killing people

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM  wrote:

  The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number 
killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.  
  If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short 
amount of time people care more.  
  It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War numbers.  
Or holocaust numbers.  

  Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is just 
an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.  
  People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era 
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war 
(Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this 
number represents 9.7% of their generation" 


  http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 

   58,202 deaths



  Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
  2,709,918 over 9 years


  58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years


  You see where this is going?


  now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all 
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral 
activity.


  We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong. 
Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.


  so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates 
and how many more people over 9 years that is)


  for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we 
would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison


  So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a 
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 




  The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7 
million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having any 
merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep









  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. 
The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on 
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is 
semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines 
in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either way. 


If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.



bp


On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or 
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They 
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are 
touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto 
deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything to do 
with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples. 
look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was 
effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more 
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one 
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that 
actually took place.


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

  I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.  
  That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.

  But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.  
  Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  I don't think those are great 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

as a percentage of the gyana population, he kilt the shit out of them

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:35 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number
> killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.
> If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short
> amount of time people care more.
> It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War
> numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.
>
> Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is
> just an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.
> People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
> " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam*
> Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during
> the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
> *Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"
>
> http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/
>
>  58,202 deaths
>
> Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
> 2,709,918 over 9 years
>
> 58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years
>
> You see where this is going?
>
> now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in
> all probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard
> viral activity.
>
> We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong.
> Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.
>
> so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth
> rates and how many more people over 9 years that is)
>
> for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
> would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
> comparison
>
> So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even
> a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively
>
>
> The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
> million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
> any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>> deadly either way.
>>
>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>>> actually took place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>>
 I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
 people will get flu.
 That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
 it.  Mostly old folks.

 But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
 addition to the regular flu.
 Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

 I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is.
 66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk
 around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[chuck]

Almost 100% of them...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people.


bp


On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number 
killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.  
  If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short 
amount of time people care more.  
  It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War numbers.  
Or holocaust numbers.  

  Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is just 
an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.  
  People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era 
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war 
(Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this 
number represents 9.7% of their generation" 


  http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 

   58,202 deaths



  Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
  2,709,918 over 9 years


  58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years


  You see where this is going?


  now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all 
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral 
activity.


  We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong. 
Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.


  so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates 
and how many more people over 9 years that is)


  for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we 
would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison


  So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a 
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 




  The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7 
million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having any 
merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep









  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. 
The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on 
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is 
semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines 
in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either way. 


If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.



bp


On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or 
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They 
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are 
touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto 
deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything to do 
with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples. 
look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was 
effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more 
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one 
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that 
actually took place.


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

  I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.  
  That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.

  But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.  
  Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk 
around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  
wrote:

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many 
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people.

bp



On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the
conflict.  Number killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim
Jones.  
  If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths
happen is a short amount of time people care more.  
  It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to
Civil War numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.  
   
  Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear
mongering.  It is just an idle curiosity.  It is not an
insignificant number of deaths.  
  People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
  

 
  
  
" 9,087,000 military personnel
served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7,
1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the
war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918
Americans served in Vietnam , this number represents 9.7%
of their generation"
  

  http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 
   
   58,202 deaths

  

  Now. You actually have the numbers to
  compare
  2,709,918 over 9 years
  

  58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over
  those 9 years
  

  You see where this is going?
  

  now
extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say
  kungflu is in all
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season
based on standard viral activity.
  
  
  We will
go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear
mongering strong. Next season will be 50k, third
season 25k, negligible on following seasons.
  
  
  so 175k
deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even
address birth rates and how many more people over 9
years that is)
  
  
  for
reference, assuming 330 million went over with the
same outcomes, we would have to see 7,087,542.8
china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison
  
  
  So,
basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us
that rona isnt
even a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 
  
  
  
  
  The fear
mongering fails when put up against the real world.
So when 7 million US citizens die from kungflu, ill
take that comparison as having any merit beyond an
attempt to startle the sheep
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at
11:57 AM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some
kind of perspective on it. The observation I had was
that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times
that. Comparing to flu is semi-relevant as it is
also a virus, except that we know how to make
vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is
considerably less deadly either way. 
  
  If you can't measure it, you don't know what you
have.
   
  bp



  On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
  
  
The point was that there are lots of
  things that cause as many deaths or more, but we
  aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam.
  They 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

that was fear mongering, btw, to drive my agenda. I dont like seatbelts.
(that is a lie, i like seatbelts, they do save lives)



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:24 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than
> in 1960. since only the number matters. We dont need seatbelts or airbags
> because obviously they are making cars more dangerous. Safety glass and
> crumple zones are killing people
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM  wrote:
>
>> The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.
>> Number killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.
>> If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short
>> amount of time people care more.
>> It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War
>> numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.
>>
>> Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is
>> just an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.
>> People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>> " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam*
>> Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during
>> the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
>> *Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"
>>
>> http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/
>>
>>  58,202 deaths
>>
>> Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
>> 2,709,918 over 9 years
>>
>> 58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years
>>
>> You see where this is going?
>>
>> now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in
>> all probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard
>> viral activity.
>>
>> We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering
>> strong. Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following
>> seasons.
>>
>> so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth
>> rates and how many more people over 9 years that is)
>>
>> for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
>> would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
>> comparison
>>
>> So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even
>> a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively
>>
>>
>> The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
>> million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
>> any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>>> deadly either way.
>>>
>>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
 look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
 effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
 Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
 than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
 another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
 actually took place.


 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
> people will get flu.
> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
> it.  Mostly old folks.
>
> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
> addition to the regular flu.
> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than
in 1960. since only the number matters. We dont need seatbelts or airbags
because obviously they are making cars more dangerous. Safety glass and
crumple zones are killing people

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM  wrote:

> The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number
> killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.
> If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short
> amount of time people care more.
> It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War
> numbers.  Or holocaust numbers.
>
> Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is
> just an idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.
> People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
> " 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam*
> Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during
> the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
> *Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"
>
> http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/
>
>  58,202 deaths
>
> Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
> 2,709,918 over 9 years
>
> 58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years
>
> You see where this is going?
>
> now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in
> all probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard
> viral activity.
>
> We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong.
> Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.
>
> so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth
> rates and how many more people over 9 years that is)
>
> for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
> would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
> comparison
>
> So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even
> a rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively
>
>
> The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
> million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
> any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>> deadly either way.
>>
>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>>> actually took place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>>
 I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
 people will get flu.
 That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
 it.  Mostly old folks.

 But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
 addition to the regular flu.
 Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

 I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is.
 66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk
 around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

vaccines are a cool thing and all, but i cannot find a single successful
coronavirus vaccine for humans. weve been chasing this forever with the
common cold coronavirus. If vaccines were just a simple "we need 18 months"
HIV wouldnt exist. I may be wrong because searches right now only tend to
come back with COVID19 variant responses, so there may be other coronavirus
that have had successful vaccines developed, i just can find zero

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:17 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Yah. I'm pretty sure there are lots of places that know how to make a
> vaccine; maybe dozens. I saw an interview with Bill Gates the other day
> where he pointed out that he is backing the 6 or 7 vaccine developments
> that show the most promise. That said, they still won't be able to deploy
> even the most likely one until early next year. Flu is also different in
> that we have numerous flu strains that seem to be on kind of a rotation.
> They ramp up production of the couple most likely to be coming around on
> the guitar every year. Sometimes they guess pretty well (I think this year
> they did pretty well), sometimes they don't do so well.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 10:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I get your point, but to be technically correct, which in all honesty I
> might not be, I think they know how to make a vacine for COVID, but its
> tnroduction and spread was at such a rapid pace they hadn't time to do it.
> I believe the production is the same method as for the flu, it'll just be
> to late.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on
>> it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per
>> month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing
>> to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to
>> make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less
>> deadly either way.
>>
>> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
>> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
>> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
>> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
>> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
>> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>>> actually took place.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>>
 I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
 people will get flu.
 That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
 it.  Mostly old folks.

 But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
 addition to the regular flu.
 Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

 I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is.
 66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk
 around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
> automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
> deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
> day.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
>> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
>> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>
>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
>> those present it also present statistics
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 
>>> 20
>>> years (1955-1975).

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[chuck]

The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number 
killed by the virus.  Number killed by Jim Jones.  
If the number is big enough people care.  If the deaths happen is a short 
amount of time people care more.  
It was just a milepost number.  Hopefully we don’t get to Civil War numbers.  
Or holocaust numbers.  

Not sure how you can use a factoid like that as fear mongering.  It is just an 
idle curiosity.  It is not an insignificant number of deaths.  
People seemed to be much more afraid of killer bees.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

" 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era 
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war 
(Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam , this 
number represents 9.7% of their generation" 


http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/ 

 58,202 deaths



Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
2,709,918 over 9 years


58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years


You see where this is going?


now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all 
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral 
activity.


We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong. Next 
season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.


so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates and 
how many more people over 9 years that is)


for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we would 
have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable comparison


So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a 
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively 




The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7 million 
US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having any merit 
beyond an attempt to startle the sheep









On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. 
The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on 
average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is 
semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines 
in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either way. 


  If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.



bp


On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or 
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They 
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are 
touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto 
deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything to do 
with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples. 
  look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was 
effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
  Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more 
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one 
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that 
actually took place.


  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.  
That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.

But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.  
Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk 
around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  
wrote:

  Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many 
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths 
in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 


  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country 
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Yah. I'm pretty sure there are lots of places that know how to
  make a vaccine; maybe dozens. I saw an interview with Bill Gates
  the other day where he pointed out that he is backing the 6 or 7
  vaccine developments that show the most promise. That said, they
  still won't be able to deploy even the most likely one until early
  next year. Flu is also different in that we have numerous flu
  strains that seem to be on kind of a rotation. They ramp up
  production of the couple most likely to be coming around on the
  guitar every year. Sometimes they guess pretty well (I think this
  year they did pretty well), sometimes they don't do so well.


bp



On 4/29/2020 10:03 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  I get your point, but to be technically correct,
which in all honesty I might not be, I think they know how to
make a vacine for COVID, but its tnroduction and spread was at
such a rapid pace they hadn't time to do it. I believe the
production is the same method as for the flu, it'll just be to
late.
  
  
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57
  AM Bill Prince  wrote:


  
My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of
  perspective on it. The observation I had was that Vietnam
  killed about 241 people per month (on average) vs the CV19
  killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is
  semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know
  how to make vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is
  considerably less deadly either way. 

If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.


bp



On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:


  The point was that there are lots of things
that cause as many deaths or more, but we aren't
comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point
with people who are touchy about the Vietnam conflict.
It is just as relevant to compare auto deaths with war
casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything
to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and
simple.  
  
  
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020
  at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without
those, Flue would probably clear 2-300k annually. if
we wanted to compare apples and apples.
look to where the data saying that the
  destructin of society was effective is coming
  from. Its only coming from places that gain by
  that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate.
  the stores are packed more than before, people who
  normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
  another then came home and compressed families. We
  hot boxed is all that actually took place.


  
  
  
On Wed, Apr 29,
  2020 at 9:48 AM 
  wrote:


  

  
I guess the difference is, you don’t do
  anything different and 66,000 people will
  get flu.  
That is what the estimate is up to
  April 10 this year.  We live with it. 
  Mostly old folks.
 
But behaving the same way and you may
  have 300,000 corona deaths in addition to
  the regular flu.  
Just breathing on someone doesn’t give
  them the flu.  

  
 

  From: Lewis
  Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29,
2020 8:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

" 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam* Era
(Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the
war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in
*Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"

http://www.uswardogs.org/vietnam-statistics/

 58,202 deaths

Now. You actually have the numbers to compare
2,709,918 over 9 years

58,202 of those 2,709,918 died over those 9 years

You see where this is going?

now extrapolate over 9 year, noting that all experts say kungflu is in all
probability going to be moot after the 3rd season based on standard viral
activity.

We will go with 100k deaths this season to keep the fear mongering strong.
Next season will be 50k, third season 25k, negligible on following seasons.

so 175k deaths out of 330,000,000 pesrons (we wont even address birth rates
and how many more people over 9 years that is)

for reference, assuming 330 million went over with the same outcomes, we
would have to see 7,087,542.8 china-virus deaths to be an equitable
comparison

So, basically comparing the rona to vietnam tells us that rona isnt even a
rednecks piss in the ocean comparatively


The fear mongering fails when put up against the real world. So when 7
million US citizens die from kungflu, ill take that comparison as having
any merit beyond an attempt to startle the sheep





On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it.
> The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month
> (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu
> is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make
> vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly
> either way.
>
> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>> actually took place.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>> people will get flu.
>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>
>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>>
>>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
 automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
 deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
 day.


 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>
> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
> those present it also present statistics
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 
>> 20
>> years (1955-1975).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[chuck]

We have mobile slaughter trailers that come to your place and do it all right 
there.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Are you talking about a place you take a truckload of pigs or cows to?  Or just 
a meat retailer?

 

The people I know who raise a few cows for meat have always had to make 
appointments.  Like, if that day comes and it’s pouring rain, you’re still 
backing up the truck in the mud and taking your cows to be turned into steaks 
because that’s when your appointment is.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

  Time to get your hunting attire out.  

   

  -- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)

   


--

  From: "Mike Hammett" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed.

   

  I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was 
slow going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 
1/2 of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are 
loving the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.

   

   

  But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "David Coudron" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing 
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw 
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole 
in the tent for timing.   Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is 
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to 
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.  

   

  I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager 
is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already.   
As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, 
but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Lewis Bergman]

I get your point, but to be technically correct, which in all honesty I
might not be, I think they know how to make a vacine for COVID, but its
tnroduction and spread was at such a rapid pace they hadn't time to do it.
I believe the production is the same method as for the flu, it'll just be
to late.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it.
> The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month
> (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu
> is semi-relevant as it is also a virus, except that we know how to make
> vaccines in semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly
> either way.
>
> If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>> actually took place.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>> people will get flu.
>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>
>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>>
>>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
 automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
 deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
 day.


 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>
> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
> those present it also present statistics
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 
>> 20
>> years (1955-1975).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Mike Hammett]

We have to make appointments for both our mass-market animals as well as our 
local, custom animals. Obviously, they're at different plants. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:55:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



Are you talking about a place you take a truckload of pigs or cows to? Or just 
a meat retailer? 

The people I know who raise a few cows for meat have always had to make 
appointments. Like, if that day comes and it’s pouring rain, you’re still 
backing up the truck in the mud and taking your cows to be turned into steaks 
because that’s when your appointment is. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney < st...@wavedirect.org > wrote: 





Time to get your hunting attire out. 



-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 





From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 




Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed. 

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. 





But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 
I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and when 
we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large operations. 
Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog operation, and it is 
way too much work for what you can make. So everything consolidated into large, 
efficient operations. As many know, they have been dumping milk because they 
have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or the cows get infections 
(mastitis). Same with the large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature 
and have to moved out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of 
continuing to feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that 
are coming in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting 
to shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen is 
that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat on the 
shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is more 
accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I might 
argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing is the 
manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat packing is a 
pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but only the tail 
end of it. It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days 
to get it to your table. 

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already. As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of
  perspective on it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed
  about 241 people per month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more
  than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is semi-relevant as it is
  also a virus, except that we know how to make vaccines in
  semi-anticipation of it, and it is considerably less deadly either
  way. 

If you can't measure it, you don't know what you have.


bp



On 4/29/2020 9:41 AM, Cameron Crum
  wrote:


  
  The point was that there are lots of things that
cause as many deaths or more, but we aren't comparing them to
people killed in Vietnam. They specifically did this to try to
raise an emotional point with people who are touchy about the
Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto deaths
with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have anything
to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.  
  
  
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30
  AM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those,
Flue would probably clear 2-300k annually. if we wanted to
compare apples and apples.
look to where the data saying that the destructin of
  society was effective is coming from. Its only coming from
  places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores
  are packed more than before, people who normally
  wouldnt have interacted are passing one another then came
  home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
  actually took place.


  
  
  
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at
  9:48 AM 
  wrote:


  

  
I guess the difference is, you don’t do
  anything different and 66,000 people will get
  flu.  
That is what the estimate is up to April 10
  this year.  We live with it.  Mostly old folks.
 
But behaving the same way and you may have
  300,000 corona deaths in addition to the regular
  flu.  
Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the
  flu.  

  
 

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020
8:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

  
   


  I don't think those are great
comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died
last year from the flu in the US and we still
managed to walk around and shake hands. But hey,
if you think you might die, stay home.
   
  
On Wed, Apr
  29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
  wrote:


  Why don't we put out graphs
every year when we reach that many
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart
disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
specific category? Sensationalism and fear
mongering rule the day.
 
  
   
  
On Tue,
  Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  Why is that surprising. How many
people did we put in country throughout
the war? There are 330 million here. If
we had put 330 million through Vietnam,
we would have "won" and lost even more.
 
I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and
  then laugh at the thought that those
  

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you talking about a place you take a truckload of pigs or cows to?  Or just 
a meat retailer?

 

The people I know who raise a few cows for meat have always had to make 
appointments.  Like, if that day comes and it’s pouring rain, you’re still 
backing up the truck in the mud and taking your cows to be turned into steaks 
because that’s when your appointment is.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

Time to get your hunting attire out.  

 

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 


  _  


From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed.

 

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.

 

 

But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "David Coudron" mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

false, "they" would NEVER fear monger, FACTS MATTER and DEMOCRACY DIES IN
DARKNESS. stop questioning them

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:42 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
> more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
> specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
> are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
> auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
> anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
>> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
>> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was
>> effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
>> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
>> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
>> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
>> actually took place.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>>> people will get flu.
>>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with
>>> it.  Mostly old folks.
>>>
>>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>>> addition to the regular flu.
>>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>>
>>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
 automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
 deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
 day.


 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
> throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
> through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>
> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
> those present it also present statistics
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
>> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 
>> 20
>> years (1955-1975).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

[Ken Hohhof]

I believe the answer is yes.  You can use the same Cambium 65W AC powered
POE with both, and I believe we have powered PTP820S with +56V at a DC site
using Chuck's CAT6-POE-APC inserters using a standard 802.3 powering scheme
on all 4 pairs.

 

I would not however assume that the internal designs are the same between
PTP820 and PMP450 because they are both from Cambium, the PTP820 is actually
a Ceragon design.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

 

Quick question ( I hope ) for the list. 

 

Setting up out first 820 ptp tpday and powering them with packetflux rack
injectors. 

 

Before I plug these in I want to verify that they are powered on the same
scheme as a 450m AP?

Powering with Packetflux rack injector 48v 3amp power supply.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Cameron Crum]

The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or
more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They
specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who
are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare
auto deaths with war casualties as it is with a virus. Neither have
anything to do with each other. It is fear mongering plain and simple.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
> 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
> look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was effective
> is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
> Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
> than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
> another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
> actually took place.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:
>
>> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
>> people will get flu.
>> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with it.
>> Mostly old folks.
>>
>> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
>> addition to the regular flu.
>> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>>
>> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
>> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
>> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
>>> automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other
>>> deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the
>>> day.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
 throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million
 through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.

 I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
 those present it also present statistics

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
> the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
> years (1955-1975).
>
>
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

[Robert]

mostly the one on top

On 4/29/20 9:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think you hit the nail on the head. Many problems are tolerable if 
the money saved is enough. When the savings diminishes, are the 
problems still tolerable?



Ubiquiti has some great people working there, but they also have a lot 
of bozos. Those bozos keep getting in the way.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Robert" 
*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:10:16 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

I think people were used to Ubnt being the disrupter. 1/10th the cost 
of prior wireless gear (ptp's were 10K for the same speed as a 5Ghz 
100mb/s link).   The market adapted, now they are fractionally better 
instead of an order of magnitude on price and their shortcomings on 
reliability and s/w became less tolerable at that difference.  If LTU 
fixes all the shortcomings then fractionally cheaper will be a winner 
for apples and apples devices..


On 4/29/20 7:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because
IMO they sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick
looking datasheets.  I thought it was all smoke and mirrors.  I
still used it on occasion, because glossy looking WiFi gear can
make a point to point link for $300 and some times there are uses
for that.

I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line
with what it really was.  "Best in class" spectral efficiency? 
Your datasheet doesn't actually support that claim, boys.  More
smoke and mirrors.  I can see how the price would be compelling in
the right scenario, but they could present it honestly and still
sell it.

Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU. 
It needs a few more features, but I think most of what I would
want is on the roadmap already.  I was messing with an AirCube and
I like that too.  I recently deployed an Edgeswitch and I'm pretty
happy with that too.  I feel like they've finally grown up.  I'm
still very alert for "smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty
happy with these more recent products.

I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog. They grossed
just shy of $200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a
billion in more recent years.  They haven't been an "underdog" for
at least a decade.  Cambium has something like 1/4 of the revenue
that Ubiquiti does.


On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes
my buttons about this thread... I guess I still have lingering
feelings about supporting the underdog.

Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the
underdog because they have now become like everyone else.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many
of the Kits in stock, and now they're trying to get them
sold off before they start offering piecemeal parts again.

Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when
they thought of the Kit idea, and it was met with
enthusiastic nods around the conference table, after
seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and
giant dollar signs and Moneybags.  Then nobody bought
them, so other parts are just magically 'unavailable' now
to drive up kit sales.

On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been
solid if unspectacular...but the price was right for
certain applications.

I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. 
They said they would sell the bare radios again, but
that hasn’t happened yet.

If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer
than 7-8 miles, you need bigger/better dishes than
their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to buy the kit
and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the
2.5’ dishes down the road.  Horribly wasteful. 
  

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Steve Jones]

yeah, we looked at 4h for the kids, in general 4h is expensive (but
worthwhile) business. we arent allowed to call it 4h anymore, its ag fair,
something to do with having a queen and king.

I would like to see a lot of private butcher shops open back up. we went to
a friend of my dads with a hog when i was a kid (butchering is COLD and
wet). Im hoping, since the powers that be dont mind destroying the economy
on a whim, theylle give leverage on inspections for a short bit. I think
more kids getting involved in the butchering of their meat will lead to a
whole lot less militant vegans when they realize its not nearly as barbaric
or inhumane as theyre led to believe. plus mybe if they do the butchering,
theyll waste less meat. As it is I already trim most of the fat off
everything and fry it separate for myself. too many times looking in the
trash and seeing a nice seared piece of fat in the can. not going to lie,
there may have been times if it was on the top of the pile it got thrown
back in a pan and heated and eaten by me

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:39 AM James Howard  wrote:

> I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher
> shop in August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me
> says they’re booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked
> 4-6 months out but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are
> starting to get that way too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need
> to worry about the pigs since we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway
> so they go straight to the butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then
> I have 3 of those to figure out too.
>
>
>
> I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to
> let the kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H,
> raising and showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money
> making venture)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are
> 2 weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
> Time to get your hunting attire out.
>
>
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of
> the year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They
> were actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or
> Perdue ones, but more skillfully trimmed.
>
>
>
> I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was
> slow going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can
> keep 1/2 of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People
> are loving the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.
>
>
>
>
>
> But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already
> backed up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

[Mike Hammett]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Many problems are tolerable if the money 
saved is enough. When the savings diminishes, are the problems still tolerable? 




Ubiquiti has some great people working there, but they also have a lot of 
bozos. Those bozos keep getting in the way. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Robert"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:10:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios 

I think people were used to Ubnt being the disrupter. 1/10th the cost of prior 
wireless gear (ptp's were 10K for the same speed as a 5Ghz 100mb/s link). The 
market adapted, now they are fractionally better instead of an order of 
magnitude on price and their shortcomings on reliability and s/w became less 
tolerable at that difference. If LTU fixes all the shortcomings then 
fractionally cheaper will be a winner for apples and apples devices.. 


On 4/29/20 7:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: 



What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because IMO they sold 
WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick looking datasheets. I thought it 
was all smoke and mirrors. I still used it on occasion, because glossy looking 
WiFi gear can make a point to point link for $300 and some times there are uses 
for that. 
I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line with what it 
really was. "Best in class" spectral efficiency? Your datasheet doesn't 
actually support that claim, boys. More smoke and mirrors. I can see how the 
price would be compelling in the right scenario, but they could present it 
honestly and still sell it. 

Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU. It needs a few 
more features, but I think most of what I would want is on the roadmap already. 
I was messing with an AirCube and I like that too. I recently deployed an 
Edgeswitch and I'm pretty happy with that too. I feel like they've finally 
grown up. I'm still very alert for "smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty 
happy with these more recent products. 

I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog. They grossed just shy of 
$200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a billion in more recent 
years. They haven't been an "underdog" for at least a decade. Cambium has 
something like 1/4 of the revenue that Ubiquiti does. 



On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote: 



I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my buttons about 
this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings about supporting the 
underdog. 


Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog because 
they have now become like everyone else. 


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the Kits in stock, 
and now they're trying to get them sold off before they start offering 
piecemeal parts again. 

Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they thought of the Kit 
idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods around the conference table, after 
seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and giant dollar signs 
and Moneybags. Then nobody bought them, so other parts are just magically 
'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales. 


On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: 


Agreed. I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if unspectacular...but 
the price was right for certain applications. 


I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. They said they would sell the 
bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet. 


If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles, you need 
bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish. Right now, you have to buy the kit 
and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road. 
Horribly wasteful. Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the AF-11. 
They are really screwed right now. 


Jeff Broadwick 
CTIconnect 

312-205-2519 Office 
574-220-7826 Cell 
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote: 







While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products - 
something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles. 

On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked the 
price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since 
November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone AF11 
radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their crappy dish? 
Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust in a couple years 
which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost about 2x-2.5x like 
Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex 
and I have never seen a 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

[Colin Stanners]

I suspect they saw Ubiquiti ripping up a lot of their lower-end market and
taking some larger-scale contracts, and they wanted to fight back, thus
ePMP.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:51 AM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Who are they "avenging?"
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> There are references to the name "Avenger" in the ePMP MIB.  Is that an
>> old working title for the product?  If so, why didn't they keep it?  I
>> like that name better.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Mike Hammett]

We got all of our appointments in, so no skin off of our backs. This place 
probably has a dozen employees, but I'm just guessing. 


No doubt we need to investigate additional ones to handle increased load we may 
have. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:23:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney < st...@wavedirect.org > wrote: 






Time to get your hunting attire out. 


-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 



From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 




Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed. 

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. 





But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 
I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and when 
we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large operations. 
Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog operation, and it is 
way too much work for what you can make. So everything consolidated into large, 
efficient operations. As many know, they have been dumping milk because they 
have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or the cows get infections 
(mastitis). Same with the large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature 
and have to moved out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of 
continuing to feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that 
are coming in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting 
to shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen is 
that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat on the 
shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is more 
accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I might 
argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing is the 
manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat packing is a 
pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but only the tail 
end of it. It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days 
to get it to your table. 

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already. As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed. Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like the 
toilet paper thing. 

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them. But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze shortage 
15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was  ) these highly 
consolidated, highly efficient, low margin 

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Mike Hammett]

Where do you go to? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "James Howard"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop in 
August. The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says they’re 
booked through summer of 2021. I think they’re usually booked 4-6 months out 
but this is far past that. I’ve heard that others are starting to get that way 
too. IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about the pigs since 
we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go straight to the 
butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of those to figure out 
too. 

I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane. I picked a BAD year to let the 
kids start showing steers….. (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture) 



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 



On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney < st...@wavedirect.org > wrote: 





Time to get your hunting attire out. 



-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 





From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 




Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed. 

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. 





But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 
I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and when 
we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large operations. 
Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog operation, and it is 
way too much work for what you can make. So everything consolidated into large, 
efficient operations. As many know, they have been dumping milk because they 
have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or the cows get infections 
(mastitis). Same with the large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature 
and have to moved out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of 
continuing to feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that 
are coming in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting 
to shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen is 
that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat on the 
shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is more 
accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I might 
argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing is the 
manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat packing is a 
pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but only the tail 
end of it. 

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[chuck]

We used to butcher beef at home.  If you have a tractor or some way to hoist it 
for gutting and skinning it sure helps.  
Hang it in deer bags for a few days to age.  Use a chain saw to quarter it.  
Cut and wrap a quarter each day.  

Getting rid of the guts is a problem for a cow.  Huge amount of guts.  You can 
sell the hide.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:38 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop in 
August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says they’re 
booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked 4-6 months out 
but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are starting to get that way 
too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about the pigs since 
we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go straight to the 
butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of those to figure out 
too.

 

I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to let the 
kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture)

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

 

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. 

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

  Time to get your hunting attire out.  

   

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  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)

   


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  From: "Mike Hammett" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed.

   

  I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

   

  Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was 
slow going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 
1/2 of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are 
loving the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.

   

   

  But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "David Coudron" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

  I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and 
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large 
operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog 
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So everything 
consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know, they have been 
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or 
the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the large pig operations.   
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed 
lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the 
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless.   So next 
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll 
have to bury them.  So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs 
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat 
packing plant issue.   I supposed it is more accurately called 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

[can...@believewireless.net]

Who are they "avenging?"

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> There are references to the name "Avenger" in the ePMP MIB.  Is that an
> old working title for the product?  If so, why didn't they keep it?  I
> like that name better.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[James Howard]

I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop in 
August.  The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says they’re 
booked through summer of 2021.  I think they’re usually booked 4-6 months out 
but this is far past that.  I’ve heard that others are starting to get that way 
too.  IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about the pigs since 
we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go straight to the 
butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of those to figure out 
too.

I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane.   I picked a BAD year to let the 
kids start showing steers…..  (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising and 
showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture)

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 
weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Time to get your hunting attire out.

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Network Operations Manager
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http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed.

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.


But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up.


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From: "David Coudron" 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Steve Jones]

Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear
2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples.
look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was effective
is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that.
Here is a secret, we didnt actually isolate. the stores are packed more
than before, people who normally wouldnt have interacted are passing one
another then came home and compressed families. We hot boxed is all that
actually took place.


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:48 AM  wrote:

> I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000
> people will get flu.
> That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with it.
> Mostly old folks.
>
> But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in
> addition to the regular flu.
> Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
>
> I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
> died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
> and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile
>> deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
>> specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
>>> the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
>>> Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>>
>>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
>>> present it also present statistics
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months
 the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
 years (1955-1975).





 bp
 


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[AFMUG] powering a 820s

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Quick question ( I hope ) for the list. 

 

Setting up out first 820 ptp tpday and powering them with packetflux rack
injectors. 

 

Before I plug these in I want to verify that they are powered on the same
scheme as a 450m AP?

Powering with Packetflux rack injector 48v 3amp power supply.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Steve Jones]

Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are
2 weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Time to get your hunting attire out.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of
> the year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store.  They
> were actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or
> Perdue ones, but more skillfully trimmed.
>
>
>
> I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
>
>
> Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was
> slow going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can
> keep 1/2 of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People
> are loving the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.
>
>
>
>
>
> But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already
> backed up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"David Coudron" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
>
> I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the
> product available to manufacture/distribute.I grew up as a farm kid and
> when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them
> feeder cattle) and dairy.   Now, it has all moved to highly efficient,
> large operations.   Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or
> hog operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make.  So
> everything consolidated into large, efficient operations.As many know,
> they have been dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot
> skip a rotation or the cows get infections (mastitis).   Same with the
> large pig operations.   They have pigs that are mature and have to moved
> out of the feed lots/buildings.   This is due to the cost of continuing to
> feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming
> in regardless.   So next week back where I grew up, they are starting to
> shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them.  So what is going to happen
> is that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat
> on the shelves because of the meat packing plant issue.   I supposed it is
> more accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I
> might argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing
> is the manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing.   Meat
> packing is a pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but
> only the tail end of it.   It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter
> weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.
>
>
>
> I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my
> wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next 

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Steve Jones]

tiktok wouldnt be allowed to integrate. you dont think thats possible? how
are things going for Huawei, the chinese telecoms, etc
and where did i say heavy handed? Its really simple, google takes federal
dollars, tax dollars, both in grants and in tax abatements, just like
anything, nothing is free. Its really simple, no government resource should
be conveyed via any google platform(or any other platform) that stifles
speech. No government contract can go to any google (Alphabet) platform.
just the Login with your google account being removed from portals would
have a heavily deleterious impact. No chrome browsers, no android mobile
devices, just like Lenovo.
none of this is new

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:42 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> TikTok is an intelligence gathering platform. Those chinese are some smart
> ones thats for sure.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:29 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> So then once a social media platform is integrated into our society our
>> government should step in with heavy handed regulation and decide for the
>> company what is right and what is wrong?  Would that not then be
>> suppressing that company’s  freedom of speech too?
>>
>> What if that company wasn’t an American company, what if it was a Chinese
>> or Russian company?  What if the company was American but the regulating
>> government was foreign?
>>
>> I ask because we now have platforms like tiktok which is Chinese
>> operating here in America.  Do they have protected speech?  Do I have
>> protected speech on their platform?  Does someone in India get protected
>> speech on the platform if the viewer is in America?
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:00 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer.
>>> Integrates
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 You stated:
 “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of
 society, including government thats 100% true”

 That Statement infers a large house.

 Where’s the line in the sand?

 If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but
 not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?

 Just curious

 -Sean


 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> who said anything about the size of the house
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it
>> with my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at 
>> someone
>> else’s house.
>>
>>
>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just
>> say whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his 
>> rules.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of
>>> society, including government thats 100% true
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions
 free speech on their platform.

 Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
 hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my 
 house I
 should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you 
 shut up
 etc.

 now replace house with “social media platform”

 -Sean


 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
> comply with the narrative
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with
>> a tweet.
>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
>> wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>
>> Sent from my 

[AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

[Adam Moffett]

There are references to the name "Avenger" in the ePMP MIB.  Is that an 
old working title for the product?  If so, why didn't they keep it?  I 
like that name better.




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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

[Robert]

I think people were used to Ubnt being the disrupter.  1/10th the cost 
of prior wireless gear (ptp's were 10K for the same speed as a 5Ghz 
100mb/s link).   The market adapted, now they are fractionally better 
instead of an order of magnitude on price and their shortcomings on 
reliability and s/w became less tolerable at that difference.  If LTU 
fixes all the shortcomings then fractionally cheaper will be a winner 
for apples and apples devices..


On 4/29/20 7:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because IMO 
they sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick looking 
datasheets.  I thought it was all smoke and mirrors.  I still used it 
on occasion, because glossy looking WiFi gear can make a point to 
point link for $300 and some times there are uses for that.


I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line with 
what it really was.  "Best in class" spectral efficiency? Your 
datasheet doesn't actually support that claim, boys.  More smoke and 
mirrors.  I can see how the price would be compelling in the right 
scenario, but they could present it honestly and still sell it.


Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU.  It 
needs a few more features, but I think most of what I would want is on 
the roadmap already.  I was messing with an AirCube and I like that 
too.  I recently deployed an Edgeswitch and I'm pretty happy with that 
too.  I feel like they've finally grown up.  I'm still very alert for 
"smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty happy with these more 
recent products.


I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog.  They grossed 
just shy of $200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a 
billion in more recent years.  They haven't been an "underdog" for at 
least a decade.  Cambium has something like 1/4 of the revenue that 
Ubiquiti does.



On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my 
buttons about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings 
about supporting the underdog.


Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the 
underdog because they have now become like everyone else.


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the
Kits in stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before
they start offering piecemeal parts again.

Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they
thought of the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods
around the conference table, after seeing all the glossy charts
with arrows pointing up, and giant dollar signs and Moneybags. 
Then nobody bought them, so other parts are just magically
'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.

On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.

I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. They said they
would sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.

If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8
miles, you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.
 Right now, you have to buy the kit and the other dishes and
hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road.  Horribly
wasteful. Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the
AF-11.  They are really screwed right now.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 


On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes

 wrote:


While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior
products - something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5
miles.

On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls.
They jacked the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has
been non-existent since November/December which was the last
time I was able to order stand alone AF11 radios. Now a rumor
they will never sell them again without their crappy dish?
Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that
other brands cost about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same
licensed 80mhz channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex and I
have never seen a AF11 radio actually push over 600 meg. Had a
5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a
AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here
on out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive.
Ken is awesome, always emails me back within 30 minutes
with any 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[chuck]

Well, not using your seat belt or smoking is not contagious in the biological 
sense.  Certain families have a mental defect where they don’t wear seat belts 
and or smoke and they pass that along to offspring with social norms... but my 
kids can’t catch it from your kids.And it certainly is not on the uptick in 
an exponential way.  

Norovirus on cruise ships is handled with about as much alarm as coronaviurs.  
We all do care and that doesn’t normally kill you.  Just gives you the shits 
really bad and makes you wish you were dead.  But during an outbreak it is a 5 
alarm fire to put it out.  

Is it easily transferred?
Is it growing exponentially?
Will it kill you?

If the answer is yes to those, care about it much more than other things.  



From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I don't think that's incredibly relevant to the core point. No one seems to 
give a shit about things that kill us every day in great quantity, but they do 
now about one particular thing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Robert" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:51:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

And in two months of covid-19 we will exceed the annual deaths of flu...  It's 
going to be interesting to see what people say in a year when we are looking at 
200,000 plus of covid and then what is going to be the comparison?


On 4/29/20 7:31 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died 
last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake 
hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout 
the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, 
we would have "won" and lost even more. 

  I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics

  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months 
the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 
years (1955-1975).





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Robert]

I think this was the most succinct way I have seen this described..


66,000 will die from the flu and not many more.   Except this year, with 
the covid prevention flu could be way down.   I do wonder if those two 
docs got it right about that and we actually could be reducing our 
immunity to common virus.



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I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 
people will get flu.
That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year. We live with 
it.  Mostly old folks.
But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in 
addition to the regular flu.

Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?
I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to 
walk around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay 
home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any
other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear
mongering rule the day.
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put
330 million through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even
more.
I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought
that those present it also present statistics
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince
 wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple
of months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam
war over the course of 20 years (1955-1975).

bp


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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

[Adam Moffett]

What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because IMO they 
sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick looking datasheets.  
I thought it was all smoke and mirrors.  I still used it on occasion, 
because glossy looking WiFi gear can make a point to point link for $300 
and some times there are uses for that.


I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line with 
what it really was.  "Best in class" spectral efficiency? Your datasheet 
doesn't actually support that claim, boys.  More smoke and mirrors.  I 
can see how the price would be compelling in the right scenario, but 
they could present it honestly and still sell it.


Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU. It 
needs a few more features, but I think most of what I would want is on 
the roadmap already.  I was messing with an AirCube and I like that 
too.  I recently deployed an Edgeswitch and I'm pretty happy with that 
too.  I feel like they've finally grown up.  I'm still very alert for 
"smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty happy with these more recent 
products.


I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog.  They grossed just 
shy of $200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a billion in 
more recent years.  They haven't been an "underdog" for at least a 
decade.  Cambium has something like 1/4 of the revenue that Ubiquiti does.



On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my 
buttons about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings 
about supporting the underdog.


Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog 
because they have now become like everyone else.


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the
Kits in stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before
they start offering piecemeal parts again.

Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they
thought of the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods
around the conference table, after seeing all the glossy charts
with arrows pointing up, and giant dollar signs and Moneybags. 
Then nobody bought them, so other parts are just magically
'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.

On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.

I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. They said they
would sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.

If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8
miles, you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right
now, you have to buy the kit and the other dishes and hope you
have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road.  Horribly wasteful.
Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the AF-11.  They
are really screwed right now.

Jeff Broadwick
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On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes

 wrote:


While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior
products - something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.

On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They
jacked the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been
non-existent since November/December which was the last time I
was able to order stand alone AF11 radios. Now a rumor they
will never sell them again without their crappy dish? Which BTW
has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust in a couple
years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz
channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a
AF11 radio actually push over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile
AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4
mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on out, 11, 18, 80ghz.
Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome, always
emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have.
Hell you can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full
duplex for $5200 out the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link
will only do 2gbps which you can't even get from Baltic because
they are sold out.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski
mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:

Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so
that the AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time...

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think that's incredibly relevant to the core point. No one seems to 
give a shit about things that kill us every day in great quantity, but they do 
now about one particular thing. 



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From: "Robert"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:51:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope? 

And in two months of covid-19 we will exceed the annual deaths of flu... It's 
going to be interesting to see what people say in a year when we are looking at 
200,000 plus of covid and then what is going to be the comparison? 


On 4/29/20 7:31 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died 
last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake 
hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home. 


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: 



Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 




On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout the 
war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, we 
would have "won" and lost even more. 


I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics 


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the number 
of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 years 
(1955-1975). 



bp
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Robert]

And in two months of covid-19 we will exceed the annual deaths of 
flu...  It's going to be interesting to see what people say in a year 
when we are looking at 200,000 plus of covid and then what is going to 
be the comparison?


On 4/29/20 7:31 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 
66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to 
walk around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay 
home.


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum > wrote:


Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any
other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear
mongering rule the day.


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put
330 million through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even
more.

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought
that those present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple
of months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam
war over the course of 20 years (1955-1975).



bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Robert]

Ummm, they do.   And some places run tv commercials about it. And there 
are efforts to reduce it.   But the difference is you are comparing 
stuff that is happening at a daily rate in the first couple of months to 
rates exceeding those.  Apples oranges and bananas...


On 4/29/20 7:03 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many 
automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any 
other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering 
rule the day.



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country
throughout the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330
million through Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that
those present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of
months the number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war
over the course of 20 years (1955-1975).



bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[chuck]

I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 people 
will get flu.  
That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year.  We live with it.  
Mostly old folks.

But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in addition to 
the regular flu.  
Just breathing on someone doesn’t give them the flu.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died 
last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake 
hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

  Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. 


  On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout 
the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, 
we would have "won" and lost even more. 

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the 
number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 years 
(1955-1975).





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Ken Hohhof]

We hear those numbers all the time, as well as gun violence deaths.  We endure 
many intrusive regulations like seat belts and baby seats to reduce automobile 
deaths, and we are inundated every fall with PSAs to get a flu shot.  (BTW, 
this year we really should)

 

I wonder what you think about the attention given to 9-11 deaths or Boeing 737 
MAX deaths.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

 

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile 
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a 
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.

 

 

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Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout the 
war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through Vietnam, we 
would have "won" and lost even more.

 

I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those 
present it also present statistics

 

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Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the number 
of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20 years 
(1955-1975).

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Steven Kenney]

Time to get your hunting attire out. 

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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. 



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From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed. 



I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though. 






From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 





Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. 








But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up. 




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From: "David Coudron" < [ mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com | 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and when 
we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large operations. 
Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog operation, and it is 
way too much work for what you can make. So everything consolidated into large, 
efficient operations. As many know, they have been dumping milk because they 
have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or the cows get infections 
(mastitis). Same with the large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature 
and have to moved out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of 
continuing to feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that 
are coming in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting 
to shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen is 
that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat on the 
shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is more 
accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I might 
argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing is the 
manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat packing is a 
pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but only the tail 
end of it. It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days 
to get it to your table. 



I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already. As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed. Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like the 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000
died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around
and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile
> deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
> specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
>> the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
>> Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>>
>> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
>> present it also present statistics
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the
>>> number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
>>> years (1955-1975).
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Cameron Crum]

Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile
deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a
specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day.


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Why is that surprising. How many people did we put in country throughout
> the war? There are 330 million here. If we had put 330 million through
> Vietnam, we would have "won" and lost even more.
>
> I keep seeing the Vietnam thing and then laugh at the thought that those
> present it also present statistics
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Interesting that today, April 28, we surpassed in a couple of months the
>> number of US personnel killed in the Vietnam war over the course of 20
>> years (1955-1975).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 6:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

[Josh Luthman]

Double NAT VZW wifi calling is working for me pretty regularly.  It's had
quite a lot of improvements over the last few years, but it's good enough
that I can say it "works OK".  My primary complaint is that if I have 1x 1
bar and it thinks there is connectivity, it won't even bother with WiFi
calling.  It'll just fail in attempting the mobile network.

Are 100% of your customers on Telrad having this problem and 0% errors
elsewhere?  Are you certain it's limited to Telrad?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 3:16 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> In my experience, Verizon WiFi calling gets broken from (1) Double NAT,
> and (2) fragmented packets.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/28/2020 11:53 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Customers with a Verizon cell phone using WiFi calling are unable to get
> calls in or out on our Telrad LTE network. Anyone else come across this
> problem? Ideas? Fix?
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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

[Mike Hammett]

Thanks for the update! 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck Macenski"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 11:44:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios 


I don't which distributors have these on order from us (Ubiquiti), but we have 
an air shipment of stand-alone radios coming into the US next week. 


Chuck 


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:26 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Really, if you're doing a link longer than 7-8 miles, you should be looking at 
different radios. You're going to have a much better link with radios with 
better tx power. 


But that still leaves the problem that I just don't like their dishes... and 
there are good reasons to use a different brand of dish instead. 


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:27 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists < jeffl...@att.net > 
wrote: 



Agreed. I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if unspectacular...but 
the price was right for certain applications. 


I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. They said they would sell the 
bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet. 


If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles, you need 
bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish. Right now, you have to buy the kit 
and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road. 
Horribly wasteful. Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the AF-11. 
They are really screwed right now. 


Jeff Broadwick 
CTIconnect 

312-205-2519 Office 
574-220-7826 Cell 
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 



On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 








While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products - 
something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles. 

On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked the 
price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since 
November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone AF11 
radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their crappy dish? 
Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust in a couple years 
which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost about 2x-2.5x like 
Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex 
and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 
6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile 
shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is 
extremely competitive. Ken is awesome, always emails me back within 30 minutes 
with any questions I have. Hell you can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 
10gbps full duplex for $5200 out the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will 
only do 2gbps which you can't even get from Baltic because they are sold out. 


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski < ch...@macenski.com > wrote: 



Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the AF11 is 
added. So many changes, so little time... 


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski < ch...@macenski.com > wrote: 



https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/ 



On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



>From Streakwave? They're the one's that told me this morning they were never 
>going to get them. 


On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: 


Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the change of 
the model number of the standalone radio. Now that the model number for the 
stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but they are once again 
available. 


Sent from my iPhone 



On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke  wrote: 






One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that their Single 
Radio order would never be fulfilled 


On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote: 



That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is available as a stand-alone SKU. 


https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11 



Chuck 


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 




Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company that likes 
to frivolously sue its customers and distributors? They also seem to like to 
discontinue products at the drop of a hat. 


Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that. 


2 cents 


-Sean 





On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I've heard a rumor that the only way to buy an AF11 radio now is in a 
kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish. Single radios cannot be 
purchased. How can you keep spares of equipment if that's the case? 

The price has gone up 

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

[Mike Hammett]

Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the 
year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 



I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They were 
actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or Perdue 
ones, but more skillfully trimmed. 

I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 


Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It was slow 
going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can keep 1/2 
of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are loving 
the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in. 





But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already backed 
up. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 
I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of the 
product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and when 
we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder 
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large operations. 
Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog operation, and it is 
way too much work for what you can make. So everything consolidated into large, 
efficient operations. As many know, they have been dumping milk because they 
have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or the cows get infections 
(mastitis). Same with the large pig operations. They have pigs that are mature 
and have to moved out of the feed lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of 
continuing to feed them, and the need to make room for the smaller ones that 
are coming in regardless. So next week back where I grew up, they are starting 
to shoot the pigs, and they’ll have to bury them. So what is going to happen is 
that we will be killing pigs and burying them, but there will be no meat on the 
shelves because of the meat packing plant issue. I supposed it is more 
accurately called manufacturing rather than distribution, however, I might 
argue feed and water are the raw materials and the growing/finishing is the 
manufacturing, it is the long pole in the tent for timing. Meat packing is a 
pretty short time period and it is probably manufacturing, but only the tail 
end of it. It takes 6-9 months to grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days 
to get it to your table. 

I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my wager is 
that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t already. As 
you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to stay open, but 
things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most meat packing 
plants being closed. Of course most of the issue will be over-reaction like the 
toilet paper thing. 

Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with no meat 
in them. But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the antifreeze shortage 
15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was  ) these highly 
consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t deal with 
disruption very well. Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see. 

Regards, 


David Coudron 
david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 

Advantenon, Inc. 
i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 | 
www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 





From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan 

So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I see 
this: 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq
 

I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out. 

Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a 
distribution problem. I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was 
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes. Because I would not refer to a 
slaughterhouse as “distribution”. 

On a semi related note, with 

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Lewis Bergman]

TikTok is an intelligence gathering platform. Those chinese are some smart
ones thats for sure.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:29 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> So then once a social media platform is integrated into our society our
> government should step in with heavy handed regulation and decide for the
> company what is right and what is wrong?  Would that not then be
> suppressing that company’s  freedom of speech too?
>
> What if that company wasn’t an American company, what if it was a Chinese
> or Russian company?  What if the company was American but the regulating
> government was foreign?
>
> I ask because we now have platforms like tiktok which is Chinese operating
> here in America.  Do they have protected speech?  Do I have protected
> speech on their platform?  Does someone in India get protected speech on
> the platform if the viewer is in America?
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:00 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer.
>> Integrates
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> You stated:
>>> “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of
>>> society, including government thats 100% true”
>>>
>>> That Statement infers a large house.
>>>
>>> Where’s the line in the sand?
>>>
>>> If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but
>>> not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?
>>>
>>> Just curious
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 who said anything about the size of the house

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it
> with my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at 
> someone
> else’s house.
>
>
> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just
> say whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his 
> rules.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of
>> society, including government thats 100% true
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions
>>> free speech on their platform.
>>>
>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
>>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house 
>>> I
>>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you 
>>> shut up
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
 comply with the narrative

 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:

> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with
> a tweet.
> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>
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> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>
> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
> wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of
>> free speech protects the government from stifling speech...private 
>> citizens
>> and corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>