Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
heh, I just went and spend 530 bucks on a Milwaikee Packout setup so I can work out of my truck. Even though my driving home to start drinking will make things more efficient i think ill hold off on talking raises On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:28 PM James Howard wrote: > You’re gonna need a raise

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread James Howard
You gotta think shoplifting is going to skyrocket. Why wouldn’t someone who wants to shoplift just do it now? They don’t have to worry about security cameras. “Yeah officer it was the guy in the mask”. U……. They’re all wearing masks. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread James Howard
You’re gonna need a raise for being so much more efficient. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife Formally moved my office to my garage today. unpacking. I

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
my buddy got told not to return to work with this mask [image: 90052336_10216915119138226_4661275547618246656_o.jpg] On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:03 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Lots more. Darth Vader, Phantom of the Opera, Jason, that guy from Mad > Max. How about this: > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
Formally moved my office to my garage today. unpacking. I think im going to like late nights a whole lot more now that i have a beverage fridge in my workspace. I wonder how many good employees are going to become alcoholics from working from home. Doesnt impact me, i was already a bad employee

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread Brian Webster
Awesome response Steve! Just late enough for you to have had a beverage or two…..I laughed hard, thanks! Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Lots more. Darth Vader, Phantom of the Opera, Jason, that guy from Mad Max. How about this: https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/covid-mask-immortan-joe-mad-max From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me every time i look at cougars On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince wrote: > We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain > lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread James Howard
[Batman The Dark Knight Rise Bane Mask Replica Helmet] Only $23.95 on Amazon. Every business should have a box of these by the door. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread Bill Prince
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as well. bp On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight. Neighbor reports a deer killed by cougar in

Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread David Coudron
Well, not as cool as a cougar, but last night the door bell camera alerts me to motion. I check out the video and it is a bat crawling down the brick about an inch from the camera. The wife was not impressed when she saw the video I'd attach it, but don't want to clog up email

[AFMUG] OT wildlife

2020-04-29 Thread Chuck McCown
Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight. Neighbor reports a deer killed by cougar in his yard. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, yeah... if you're putting on a mask that somebody else has been wearing, you're obviously going to have a much higher chance of getting infected than not wearing any mask... but that's the price you pay for not having your own mask. Although Ken's movie mask idea could work pretty well...

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
bring on the gimp On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:15 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine. The Man in the > Iron Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM > *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine. The Man in the Iron Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp. From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
The issue with loaning masks is that the person borrowing it may be infected. It protects other people except those that borrow the master of somebody who has an infection. in our town we recently had 35 people get infected within a day because this food manufacturing company was providing Mass to

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Mathew Howard
Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will work just fine... On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM wrote: > Loaner masks... > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
Loaner masks... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started summoning a manager. I am reminded of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Good for her. From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping Not sure if I told you my youngest almost got arrested at Walmart for side kicking a lady who

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started summoning a manager. I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared. It would be nice to have disposable masks for people who

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
Not sure if I told you my youngest almost got arrested at Walmart for side kicking a lady who would not back off after my daughter told her to please step back several times ..instead she laughed and came closer...she was backing her into another shopper when she let it go...knocked her on her

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
We have an oddly high number of undocumented living here, not sure where theyre working. The house on the corner by me had enforcement a few years ago, they pulled 27 mattresses out of the 2 bedroom house, they said people were even sleeping in the crawl space. In the ambulance days we got called

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Chuck McCown
So, did he get in? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >  > Good luck. I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy > being a huge jerk. I hope this was an isolated case. > > Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Robert
But maybe they will require a UV light up the rectum... On 4/29/20 3:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: I so hope they keep the aisle arrows. its hard to get used to but flows so much better. I dont want to wear masks, i know some of the stores that arent going to enforce it, ill go there. If i do have

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
Imma find your address, I just had to pay 1.99 again for my Tyson thighs. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:39 PM David Coudron wrote: > You might be right. But I don’t think folks buy the same things. I buy > all of Steve’s chicken thighs for home but rarely order anything in the > restaurant that

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
I so hope they keep the aisle arrows. its hard to get used to but flows so much better. I dont want to wear masks, i know some of the stores that arent going to enforce it, ill go there. If i do have to go to one thats enforcing, F them, ill show them, ill put my mask on and follow their rules to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
They need to address spread between workers inside the plants (on the line and in common areas), but I also doubt the workers are going home to spacious single family dwellings. I’d guess they live in somewhat crowded conditions, and have family and neighbors who also work at the plant. So

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Good luck. I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy being a huge jerk. I hope this was an isolated case. Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way arrows on

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
Not quite like shutting down an assembly line for washing machines. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:50 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan I was listening to a lady talk about it and explaining the assembly line and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
I have in smaller ones. I can tell you that its one of the few times you and I will agree on ICE activity, they need to stay the hell out of this. I would put money down that tracing is going to show that this got that bad in this industry because there is a ton of undocumented workforce, who was

[AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

2020-04-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works . https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
I was listening to a lady talk about it and explaining the assembly line and how it only operates if all components operate. Its kind of impressive to see something so massive that requires so many parts to be functioning having been chugging along all this time without a breakdown. Predicting how

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
You and I both know the conditions are very different at those locationshave you ever been inside a meat packing place...I have installing instrumentation gearI have been in high tech manufacturing plants as well...not the same. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:17 PM Steve Jones wrote: > so

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
Do you do a short or long position. Short would be to kill all the little pigs in the assembly line now and shut it down. Save the adults for the hope you can sell them. Long would be kill the adults and keep the assembly line moving. Glad I don’t have to do that coin toss. I think long is

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

2020-04-29 Thread TJ Trout
Wifi calling will always prefer wifi over lte so not sure why you see that behavior. You can always turn cellular off and keep wifi on to force wifi calling. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 11:57 AM SmarterBroadband wrote: > The calls started after we upgraded Wimax to LTE, so we suspect it is >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
so factories being forced by government to make ventilators, tests and masks good, food bad. Check On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:29 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > What a stupid move... > Send him and his family to work in there. > >

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make sense. A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown stock to make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into feed, antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
Costs money to feed and take care of them. They have younger ones coming up through the assembly line that needs the space. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan Dumb question, but why would they

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Jason McKemie
That's pretty brutal. Why are they killing them with no one to buy them? On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 2:59 PM David Coudron wrote: > And so it starts…… ☹ (it might have been happening a while already) > > > > The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be > happening in

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Jaime Solorza
What a stupid move... Send him and his family to work in there. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/04/29/trump-order-on-meat-plants-shocks-indiana-workers/3042245001/ On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 9:34 AM Bill Prince wrote: > The last couple of weeks I have noticed a "weekend effect" where

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread James Howard
The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus. I’m not sure where we’ll go now. It looks like there are several around the Monroe area though so maybe I’ll check out one of those. I’m waiting to hear back from our 4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

2020-04-29 Thread SmarterBroadband
The calls started after we upgraded Wimax to LTE, so we suspect it is something in our LTE setup. Someone suggested we try DMZ, we are giving that a try. Adam From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] tower work

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
Thanks, I will forward it. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower work A guy I know has had a tower busines in that area for decades. He can do anything. I have no idea how his prices are, I just know he

Re: [AFMUG] tower work

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
A guy I know has had a tower busines in that area for decades. He can do anything. I have no idea how his prices are, I just know he can get the job done right and you don't have to babysit him to do it. https://advtower.com/ Cliff Barbararie 505-235-3793 Cell On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:28 PM

[AFMUG] tower work

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
I have a person asking for the following: I have some builds with the Pueblos near Albuquerque. Can you recommend any tower contractors in the area?-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

2020-04-29 Thread Josh Luthman
https://community.ui.com/questions/New-Cambium-gear/48ac973e-1baf-4e07-a38f-3be62c607004?page=6 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:56 AM Colin Stanners wrote: > I suspect they saw Ubiquiti ripping up a lot

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread James Howard
Even taking 1 or 2 animals in, most places around here seem to schedule them now. It’s just getting a lot further out than it used to be. We do have one place about an hour away that appears to still be “let us know 2 days before” and butchers every Tuesday. From: AF

Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

2020-04-29 Thread Tyson Burris
We put our own power in but yes we power the 820s and 450M's with Rack injectors just fine. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you?

[AFMUG] Server room temperature monitoring

2020-04-29 Thread Nate Burke
I'd like to do a bunch of temperature monitoring in a server room. Hot/Cold Aisle, multiple racks input/output. I have used an ITWatchdogs 'MiniGoose XP II' at another location, but it's like that product has never existed, even though I have one. It was a single Ethernet interface, with 16

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when our primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "James Howard" To:

Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

2020-04-29 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Thanks Ken. If anyone else can confirm this that would be great. I have a call into Forest as well to see if he can confirm it. Brandon From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:52 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread James Howard
For shows? Just our local county fair. “Show” feed is about double the price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs…… From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 29,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
And that is the type of data consumption and analysis that creates fodder for the tin foil hat crowd. Just like the reporters that said Bloomberg could have given us all $1M... From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
as a percentage of the gyana population, he kilt the shit out of them On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:35 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people. > > bp > > > > On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > The only comparison is the number. Number killed in the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
Almost 100% of them... From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:34 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope? I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people. bp On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The only comparison is the number. Number killed in the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Bill Prince
I didn't know Jim Jones got that many people. bp On 4/29/2020 10:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The only comparison is the number.  Number killed in the conflict.  Number killed by the virus.  Number killed by

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
that was fear mongering, btw, to drive my agenda. I dont like seatbelts. (that is a lie, i like seatbelts, they do save lives) On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:24 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than > in 1960. since only the number

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
Cars are more dangerous in 2020 because there are more annual deaths than in 1960. since only the number matters. We dont need seatbelts or airbags because obviously they are making cars more dangerous. Safety glass and crumple zones are killing people On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
vaccines are a cool thing and all, but i cannot find a single successful coronavirus vaccine for humans. weve been chasing this forever with the common cold coronavirus. If vaccines were just a simple "we need 18 months" HIV wouldnt exist. I may be wrong because searches right now only tend to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
The only comparison is the number. Number killed in the conflict. Number killed by the virus. Number killed by Jim Jones. If the number is big enough people care. If the deaths happen is a short amount of time people care more. It was just a milepost number. Hopefully we don’t get to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Bill Prince
Yah. I'm pretty sure there are lots of places that know how to make a vaccine; maybe dozens. I saw an interview with Bill Gates the other day where he pointed out that he is backing the 6 or 7 vaccine developments that show the most promise. That said, they still

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
" 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the *Vietnam* Era (Aug 5, 1964 – May 7, 1975). 2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973). 3. 2,709,918 Americans served in *Vietnam* , this number represents 9.7% of their generation"

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
We have mobile slaughter trailers that come to your place and do it all right there. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan Are you talking about a place you take a truckload of pigs

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
I get your point, but to be technically correct, which in all honesty I might not be, I think they know how to make a vacine for COVID, but its tnroduction and spread was at such a rapid pace they hadn't time to do it. I believe the production is the same method as for the flu, it'll just be to

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
We have to make appointments for both our mass-market animals as well as our local, custom animals. Obviously, they're at different plants. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Bill Prince
My point wasn't fear mongering, but to put some kind of perspective on it. The observation I had was that Vietnam killed about 241 people per month (on average) vs the CV19 killing more than 100 times that. Comparing to flu is semi-relevant as it is also a virus,

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
Are you talking about a place you take a truckload of pigs or cows to? Or just a meat retailer? The people I know who raise a few cows for meat have always had to make appointments. Like, if that day comes and it’s pouring rain, you’re still backing up the truck in the mud and taking your

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
false, "they" would NEVER fear monger, FACTS MATTER and DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS. stop questioning them On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:42 AM Cameron Crum wrote: > The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or > more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in

Re: [AFMUG] powering a 820s

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
I believe the answer is yes. You can use the same Cambium 65W AC powered POE with both, and I believe we have powered PTP820S with +56V at a DC site using Chuck's CAT6-POE-APC inserters using a standard 802.3 powering scheme on all 4 pairs. I would not however assume that the internal designs

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Cameron Crum
The point was that there are lots of things that cause as many deaths or more, but we aren't comparing them to people killed in Vietnam. They specifically did this to try to raise an emotional point with people who are touchy about the Vietnam conflict. It is just as relevant to compare auto

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-29 Thread Robert
mostly the one on top On 4/29/20 9:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I think you hit the nail on the head. Many problems are tolerable if the money saved is enough. When the savings diminishes, are the problems still tolerable? Ubiquiti has some great people working there, but they also have a lot

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
yeah, we looked at 4h for the kids, in general 4h is expensive (but worthwhile) business. we arent allowed to call it 4h anymore, its ag fair, something to do with having a queen and king. I would like to see a lot of private butcher shops open back up. we went to a friend of my dads with a hog

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I think you hit the nail on the head. Many problems are tolerable if the money saved is enough. When the savings diminishes, are the problems still tolerable? Ubiquiti has some great people working there, but they also have a lot of bozos. Those bozos keep getting in the way. -

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

2020-04-29 Thread Colin Stanners
I suspect they saw Ubiquiti ripping up a lot of their lower-end market and taking some larger-scale contracts, and they wanted to fight back, thus ePMP. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:51 AM can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > Who are they "avenging?" > > On Wed, Apr 29,

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
We got all of our appointments in, so no skin off of our backs. This place probably has a dozen employees, but I'm just guessing. No doubt we need to investigate additional ones to handle increased load we may have. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Where do you go to? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "James Howard" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
We used to butcher beef at home. If you have a tractor or some way to hoist it for gutting and skinning it sure helps. Hang it in deer bags for a few days to age. Use a chain saw to quarter it. Cut and wrap a quarter each day. Getting rid of the guts is a problem for a cow. Huge amount

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

2020-04-29 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Who are they "avenging?" On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 11:15 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > There are references to the name "Avenger" in the ePMP MIB. Is that an > old working title for the product? If so, why didn't they keep it? I > like that name better. > > > > -- > AF mailing list >

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread James Howard
I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher shop in August. The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says they’re booked through summer of 2021. I think they’re usually booked 4-6 months out but this is far past that. I’ve heard that others are

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
Flu has vaccine and Tamiflu. Without those, Flue would probably clear 2-300k annually. if we wanted to compare apples and apples. look to where the data saying that the destructin of society was effective is coming from. Its only coming from places that gain by that. Here is a secret, we didnt

[AFMUG] powering a 820s

2020-04-29 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Quick question ( I hope ) for the list. Setting up out first 820 ptp tpday and powering them with packetflux rack injectors. Before I plug these in I want to verify that they are powered on the same scheme as a 450m AP? Powering with Packetflux rack injector 48v 3amp power supply.

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops are 2 weeks out on packages. Like they always have been. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney wrote: > Time to get your hunting attire out. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-29 Thread Steve Jones
tiktok wouldnt be allowed to integrate. you dont think thats possible? how are things going for Huawei, the chinese telecoms, etc and where did i say heavy handed? Its really simple, google takes federal dollars, tax dollars, both in grants and in tax abatements, just like anything, nothing is

[AFMUG] ePMP "Avenger"

2020-04-29 Thread Adam Moffett
There are references to the name "Avenger" in the ePMP MIB.  Is that an old working title for the product?  If so, why didn't they keep it?  I like that name better. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-29 Thread Robert
I think people were used to Ubnt being the disrupter.  1/10th the cost of prior wireless gear (ptp's were 10K for the same speed as a 5Ghz 100mb/s link).   The market adapted, now they are fractionally better instead of an order of magnitude on price and their shortcomings on reliability and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
Well, not using your seat belt or smoking is not contagious in the biological sense. Certain families have a mental defect where they don’t wear seat belts and or smoke and they pass that along to offspring with social norms... but my kids can’t catch it from your kids.And it certainly is

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Robert
I think this was the most succinct way I have seen this described.. 66,000 will die from the flu and not many more.   Except this year, with the covid prevention flu could be way down.   I do wonder if those two docs got it right about that and we actually could be reducing our immunity to

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-29 Thread Adam Moffett
What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because IMO they sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick looking datasheets.  I thought it was all smoke and mirrors.  I still used it on occasion, because glossy looking WiFi gear can make a point to point link for $300 and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't think that's incredibly relevant to the core point. No one seems to give a shit about things that kill us every day in great quantity, but they do now about one particular thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Robert
And in two months of covid-19 we will exceed the annual deaths of flu...  It's going to be interesting to see what people say in a year when we are looking at 200,000 plus of covid and then what is going to be the comparison? On 4/29/20 7:31 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I don't think those are

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Robert
Ummm, they do.   And some places run tv commercials about it. And there are efforts to reduce it.   But the difference is you are comparing stuff that is happening at a daily rate in the first couple of months to rates exceeding those.  Apples oranges and bananas... On 4/29/20 7:03 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread chuck
I guess the difference is, you don’t do anything different and 66,000 people will get flu. That is what the estimate is up to April 10 this year. We live with it. Mostly old folks. But behaving the same way and you may have 300,000 corona deaths in addition to the regular flu. Just

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Ken Hohhof
We hear those numbers all the time, as well as gun violence deaths. We endure many intrusive regulations like seat belts and baby seats to reduce automobile deaths, and we are inundated every fall with PSAs to get a flu shot. (BTW, this year we really should) I wonder what you think about

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Steven Kenney
Time to get your hunting attire out. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Mike Hammett" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
I don't think those are great comparisons but I think the Flu is. 66,000 died last year from the flu in the US and we still managed to walk around and shake hands. But hey, if you think you might die, stay home. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Cameron Crum wrote: > Why don't we put out graphs

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

2020-04-29 Thread Cameron Crum
Why don't we put out graphs every year when we reach that many automobile deaths, or flu deaths, or heart disease deaths, or any other deaths in a specific category? Sensationalism and fear mongering rule the day. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:59 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Why is that surprising. How

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon WiFi Calling on Telrad LTE

2020-04-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Double NAT VZW wifi calling is working for me pretty regularly. It's had quite a lot of improvements over the last few years, but it's good enough that I can say it "works OK". My primary complaint is that if I have 1x 1 bar and it thinks there is connectivity, it won't even bother with WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Thanks for the update! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck Macenski" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 11:44:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan

2020-04-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of the year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof"

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-29 Thread Lewis Bergman
TikTok is an intelligence gathering platform. Those chinese are some smart ones thats for sure. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:29 AM Sean Heskett wrote: > So then once a social media platform is integrated into our society our > government should step in with heavy handed regulation and decide for

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