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On Behalf Of *Josh Baird *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower I'm not following these requirements for the 450M. The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W pea

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em correctly. Tx on one end needs to match >>>>>> Rx >>>>>> on the other. You will need two different part numbers for the SFP’s. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 3, 2020,

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;> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you >>>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail o

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t 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you >>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have >>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for

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FP’s. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >>> >>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you >>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have &g

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; >>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >>> >>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you >>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have >>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP c

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; spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll >> be fine. >> >> Jared >> >> >> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020 >> *From:* "Josh Baird" >> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Subject:* Re: [AFM

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;>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have >>>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll >>>> be fine. >>>> >>>> Jared >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Fr

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ne and you'll > be fine. > > Jared > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020 > *From:* "Josh Baird" > *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower > Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here.. >

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1 don't care, but you >>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have >>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll >>> be fine. >>> >>> Jared >>> >>> >>> *Sent

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That is a thing of beauty…. Let us know the price when you find out…. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower Anyone look at this Hybrid fiber

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lent to 6 wire gauges. So 4 x 24 AWG is >> equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG. So nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG >> is needed. >> >> >> >> Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts. >> >> >> >> 3 GHz version is a

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t; lot of batteries. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Josh Baird > *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower > > > > I'm not following these requirements for the 450M. >

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OK, I don’t think everyone followed that you were talking about DC power for up to 6 450m sectors. Especially with the talk about hybrid cable. From: AF On Behalf Of dave via AF Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 2:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: dave Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower We

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AF *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower I'm not following these requirements for the 450M. The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This is about 1.6A @ 48V. 12AWG ca

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gt;> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Apr 3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you >>>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail ou

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3, 2020, at 9:11 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >>> >>> I was going to write it'll work just fine, Layer 1 don't care, but you >>> linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have >>> spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a sing

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ctacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll >> be fine. >> >> Jared >> >> >> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020 >> *From:* "Josh Baird" >> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Subject

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yer 1 don't care, but you > linked to a *multimode* MTP casette. This will either fail outright or have > spectacular losses. Swap the MTP casette for a single mode one and you'll > be fine. > > Jared > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020 > *From:* "Josh Baird" > *

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one and you'll be > fine. > > Jared > > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 > From: "Josh Baird" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower > Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here.. > &

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Baird" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here..   Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes [2].  To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use

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Someone who knows more about fiber, please help me out here.. Considering buying the 12count SM armored fiber [1] with the duplex cassettes [2]. To maximize the usage of the 12ct, I would like to use BiDi SFP's so that I can use a single strand of fiber per radio. If I use the correct BiDi

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3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me. That’s a lot of batteries. From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower I'm not following these requirements for the 4

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I'm not following these requirements for the 450M. The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port). This is about 1.6A @ 48V. 12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 54.5V at the top of the tower. The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V according

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DO NOT USE THE UBNT FIBER CABLE It is the most gawdawful stuff to work with. There is no buffer tubing on the ends, so the super thin fiber is all that goes to the LC Connectors. There is no strain relief where the outdoor jacket ends, the jacket is just cut open There are no pulling eyes,

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: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower I've been using the Cabmium Fiber cables. They're a little expensive, but they have worked well. Outdoor jacket comes right to the LC Connectors. Been using them with UBNT Edgepoints and EPMP3000 AP's N82L139ASM 30m N82L140ASM 50m N82L141ASM 80m

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How many strands are in one cable? From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 6:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower I've been using the Cabmium Fiber cables. They're a little expensive

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Yeah, but it's not just connectors.  You'll have a tail of bare or tight buffered fiber coming out long enough to reach the splicer and that needs to be protected.  It's usually a couple feet long, but you could get it down to a matter of 6-10" if you have a clear work space.  You'll need to

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: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable? https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m? On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt wrote: > > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What

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Has anyone bought a fiber splicer that supports splice on connectors and made up there own fiber runs like this? On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt wrote: > > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors? > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

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the cable has lc duplex connectors each end one end has a cable bung that screws directly into the 450/820 radio the ones I got were single mode no pictures at this time   Roland     > What all comes with the Cambium cable kit? Does not seem to list thatanywhere. What kind of connectors? Duplex

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What all comes with the Cambium cable kit? Does not seem to list that anywhere. What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber? SFP modules included or needed? Pictures? On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin wrote: > > the cable seems ok. > I gave up on anything other than cambium's

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the cable seems ok. I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable it comes with the gland required it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket to work in the typical gland. you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.   I the

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Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable? https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m? On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt wrote: > > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors? >

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It's a brand new product. They used to make a really good outdoor patch cables that were US Stocked about 2 years ago. I have several of them deployed, but then they stopped making them. It sounds like for these, they are all custom made, so no stock. On 3/31/2020 10:12 AM, Josh Baird

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I didn't realize they were making "FTTA" patch cables now. I have used the outdoor armored patch cables from FS in the past. I'll check these out.. wish they stocked them in the US. On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Nate Burke wrote: > What is the ballpark? $1/ft? $5/ft? > > Does the outdoor

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What is the ballpark? $1/ft? $5/ft? Does the outdoor jacket come all the way to the LC Connector? My order from Feburary of these https://www.fs.com/products/97938.html is finally getting delivered tomorrow. I'm interested to see if the picture is accurate. On 3/31/2020 10:03 AM, dave

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Best-tronics and its priced per foot  It doesnt have the boot like cambium but I do believe they are making it. Call for pricing. On 3/30/20 8:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote: Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing? On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote: That may work for most

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Definitely stick with MST. Much less likely for climbers to damage. On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:35 AM Josh Baird wrote: > So would you use MST or OFDC if you had to do it again? > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:48 AM can...@believewireless.net < > p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > >> We've used

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Yeah normally you would splice the OFDC's pigtails into the feeder. On 3/31/2020 9:59 AM, Josh Baird wrote: The OFDC requires you to manually splice the trunk, correct?  The MST may be a simpler solution for those that aren't comfortable splicing, since it comes with the fiber already

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The OFDC requires you to manually splice the trunk, correct? The MST may be a simpler solution for those that aren't comfortable splicing, since it comes with the fiber already attached/spliced. Then, you just run jumpers from the MST to the radio. Where do you buy Commscope from, btw? On Tue,

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Whatever came with the radio. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 7:15 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower You put a DC power supply up on the tower? I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v you could run a whole cluster

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I've only used the OFDC-C12.  I didn't know there was more than one kind until you asked the question. Having looked at them, I'd still use the C-12.  It has space for 12 connectors.  I would do 12 LC Duplex so I can hook up the entire 24F cable.  I can get a jumper to get from LC to whatever

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probably On 3/31/2020 9:19 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: so if you need to power cycle a radio you have to power cycle the whole cluster that way? On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:15 AM Adam Moffett > wrote: You put a DC power supply up on the tower? I can see

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So would you use MST or OFDC if you had to do it again? On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:48 AM can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. >

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so if you need to power cycle a radio you have to power cycle the whole cluster that way? On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:15 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > You put a DC power supply up on the tower? > > I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v you > could run a whole cluster

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You put a DC power supply up on the tower? I can see why.we're only talking 150W per base station and at 240v you could run a whole cluster of them on a 16/2. My hangup would be that I don't know what power supply I would trust up there. On 3/31/2020 9:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I

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I used to just run 240vac. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >  > That's not a bad idea either. > > On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >> We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. >>

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That's not a bad idea either. On 3/31/2020 8:47 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/ On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM

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We've used MSTs on towers and buildings. https://www.commscope.com/product-type/cabinets-panels-enclosures/closures-terminals/fiber-access-terminals/itemmst-04mh00-b2000u/ On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:58 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Isn't it a 4-pin power connector? > > 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be

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Isn't it a 4-pin power connector? 2 pairs of 16 gauge ought to be sufficient. On 3/30/2020 11:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it could make sense. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

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Here is another way to run a single power source up the tower and then branch off that and remote power cycle the branches: https://streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DIN%2DRelay=0 On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:34 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber

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Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber too. :) On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 PM Josh Baird wrote: > I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of. > > On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top. > You can retain IP based

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I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of. On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top. You can retain IP based power control if you use something like a PacketFlux 5ch PDU with a SiteMonitor. Both are tiny and could likely fit in the same

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Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are talking about? I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies. I > went with a "core locked"

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In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and

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Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from? Pricing? On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote: That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something equivalent. If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation.

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That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something equivalent.  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket or better for outdoor operation. We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable that would not fly due

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I went down that route and its just easier to run separate fiber and power wires. Unless you are getting billed per wire up the tower its really not worth the added expense. On 3/30/2020 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated

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I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want... On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt wrote: > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What

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What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com