Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

apparently my phone is too old to run the "latest" release.
boo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoviePassClub/comments/7uuvoa/account_gone/

the person who posted this is not me - but my phone runs android 4.4.6


  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass


  Yes

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 3:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass


  My app is not pulling any theaters today is yours?

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass
  Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 3:58 PM

  https://www.wired.com/story/moviepass-second-act/

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Reynolds]

Multiple streaming devices, gaming, home fileserver / NAS, small VM
cluster, and some VoIP. There's also a bit of 10G fiber through the house...

On Feb 1, 2018 4:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your
> home WiFi?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long
> range AP" :)
>
> It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that
> the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.
>
> Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall
> capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX
> AND RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let
> devices maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only
> only have 2 using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is
> 5GHz.
>
> I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn,
> and I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the
> APs in the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from
> basement to second floor.
>
> If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't
> drop their stream or sessions.
>
> On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> That's certainly true.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dan Parrish" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.
>>
>> --dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I'd suggest more *Tx Power* at the AP doesn't help with the tiny
>> handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dan Parrish" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com"  
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best
>> "value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about
>> 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.
>>
>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset
>> having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I
>> don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense,
>> try to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead
>> of one centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of
>> the warehouse are over, IMO.
>>
>> --dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.
>>
>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
 like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
 newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
 which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
 being a "flop".

 If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
 physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
 it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.

 On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>> seamlessly roam right?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>
>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded 
>>> to
>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the 
>>> coverage is
>>> not very good.
>>>
>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6

[Jesse Dupont]

Dual stack.


From: Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 3:26:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6

Yeah Dual Stack seemed like the obvious route to go.  Then I read T-Mobile went 
to this XLAT stuff.on second pass it still seems like dual stack is a 
no-brainer.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2018 5:13:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6

Yes

There is really no extra work or expense involved in Dual Stack.  Just turn it 
on and let the customers use what they will use.

You have to accommodate V4 somehow.  We are going to NAT everything in the V4 
world to keep our continuing investment in IPs where it is at.

464xlat seems interesting.  I have been talking about a magic box for a couple 
of years now, but after taking a closer look and actually making progress, DS + 
NAT seems to be the most reasonable as far as cost and a known working solution.

Still waiting for Dennis to invent the magic box.  V6 only everywhere for 
everything inside your network.
Magic box recognizes, diverts and fixes sessions that need access to the old V4 
world.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IPv6

If you were starting a new network from the ground up today would you do Dual 
Stack, 464XLAT, or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6

[Dennis Burgess]

Dual stack i.

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IPv6

If you were starting a new network from the ground up today would you do Dual 
Stack, 464XLAT, or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah Dual Stack seemed like the obvious route to go.  Then I read 
T-Mobile went to this XLAT stuff.on second pass it still seems like 
dual stack is a no-brainer.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2018 5:13:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6


Yes

There is really no extra work or expense involved in Dual Stack.  Just 
turn it on and let the customers use what they will use.


You have to accommodate V4 somehow.  We are going to NAT everything in 
the V4 world to keep our continuing investment in IPs where it is at.


464xlat seems interesting.  I have been talking about a magic box for a 
couple of years now, but after taking a closer look and actually making 
progress, DS + NAT seems to be the most reasonable as far as cost and a 
known working solution.


Still waiting for Dennis to invent the magic box.  V6 only everywhere 
for everything inside your network.
Magic box recognizes, diverts and fixes sessions that need access to 
the old V4 world.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 3:03 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IPv6

If you were starting a new network from the ground up today would you 
do Dual Stack, 464XLAT, or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[chuck]

Yes

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass


My app is not pulling any theaters today is yours?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass
Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 3:58 PM

https://www.wired.com/story/moviepass-second-act/

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Mike Hammett]

:-D 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Mangriotis"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:06:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 



I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the 
PTP 650 days. This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules 
floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. 
weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required 
extension from the body of the radio. 

This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the 
extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require 
an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port. In the end, this means that you 
can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like. 

Hope this might help change your view. 

Matt 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 


Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port. 



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 




The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port. The concept would be fiber to 
each radio for data, and this box would be for power+sync. It would include the 
GPS antenna in the box, etc. Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this box, 
run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand of 
fiber down the tower for management of it all. That would get you management 
into each of the 450m's and power and sync. 



For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via 
fiber. 



At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source. 



This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i. 



On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: 



Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept 
as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G 
uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're 
probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up 
the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like 
this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something 
similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port 
injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM 
mux. 

On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



and some of us hate switches in their network altogether. :-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 



Forrest, 



It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, I 
know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont. 



I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so we 
moved away from packetflux for new deployments. 



TJ 



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 





I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe. 



I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m with 5 
ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed for tower 
top mounting. Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's 
ever going to see the light of day. 
Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution you 
find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs. Neither the 450i or 
450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 
450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only. 
If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well. There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet. 



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris < t...@franklinisp.net > wrote: 



Good morning, 



Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per 
tower. 



I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues with 
these devices and their support not being that great. 


Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

My app is not pulling any theaters today is yours?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass
Date: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 3:58 PM

https://www.wired.com/story/moviepass-second-act/

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6

[chuck]

Yes

There is really no extra work or expense involved in Dual Stack.  Just turn it 
on and let the customers use what they will use.  

You have to accommodate V4 somehow.  We are going to NAT everything in the V4 
world to keep our continuing investment in IPs where it is at.  

464xlat seems interesting.  I have been talking about a magic box for a couple 
of years now, but after taking a closer look and actually making progress, DS + 
NAT seems to be the most reasonable as far as cost and a known working 
solution.  

Still waiting for Dennis to invent the magic box.  V6 only everywhere for 
everything inside your network.  
Magic box recognizes, diverts and fixes sessions that need access to the old V4 
world.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPv6

If you were starting a new network from the ground up today would you do Dual 
Stack, 464XLAT, or something else? 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Matt Mangriotis]

I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the 
PTP 650 days.  This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules 
floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. 
weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required 
extension from the body of the radio.

This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the 
extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require 
an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port.  In the end, this means that you 
can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like.

Hope this might help change your view.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:
The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be fiber to 
each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It would include 
the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this 
box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand 
of fiber down the tower for management of it all.   That would get you 
management into each of the 450m's and power and sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via 
fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept 
as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G 
uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're 
probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up 
the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like 
this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something 
similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port 
injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM 
mux.
On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)


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Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

[Matt Mangriotis]

We will continue to take orders for them through June.  We are doing everything 
we can (including implementing a 180 day EOL policy) to prepare customers for 
the transition…

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darren Shea
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

Wow! Is that an “450d production stops as soon as the high-gain 450b is put 
into production”, or “they stopped making them already” situation?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

FYI...the 450d is EOL. Announced earlier this week. Found this out while trying 
to order more.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
The 450d is a standard 450SM board. Canopy POE polarity only. So yes, you'll 
need to reverse the blues and browns at one end.

The 450b, Force180 and Force200 are all polarity agnostic.


On 2/2/2018 3:29 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Is anyone else powering a 450d SM with a Netonix? I'm wondering if I need to 
reverse the polarity on the cable like we do with 450 SM and AP. Looking at the 
spec sheet it just says INPUT VOLTAGE 20 TO 32 V which makes me think it can 
take a straight thru cable.

[AFMUG] IPv6

[Adam Moffett]

If you were starting a new network from the ground up today would you do 
Dual Stack, 464XLAT, or something else?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

[Darren Shea]

Wow! Is that an “450d production stops as soon as the high-gain 450b is put 
into production”, or “they stopped making them already” situation?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

 

FYI...the 450d is EOL. Announced earlier this week. Found this out while trying 
to order more.

 

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

The 450d is a standard 450SM board. Canopy POE polarity only. So yes, you'll 
need to reverse the blues and browns at one end.

The 450b, Force180 and Force200 are all polarity agnostic.



On 2/2/2018 3:29 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

Is anyone else powering a 450d SM with a Netonix? I'm wondering if I need to 
reverse the polarity on the cable like we do with 450 SM and AP. Looking at the 
spec sheet it just says INPUT VOLTAGE 20 TO 32 V which makes me think it can 
take a straight thru cable.



 

 

[AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[chuck]

https://www.wired.com/story/moviepass-second-act/

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

[Eric Muehleisen]

FYI...the 450d is EOL. Announced earlier this week. Found this out while
trying to order more.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> The 450d is a standard 450SM board. Canopy POE polarity only. So yes,
> you'll need to reverse the blues and browns at one end.
>
> The 450b, Force180 and Force200 are all polarity agnostic.
>
>
> On 2/2/2018 3:29 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else powering a 450d SM with a Netonix? I'm wondering if I need
>> to reverse the polarity on the cable like we do with 450 SM and AP. Looking
>> at the spec sheet it just says INPUT VOLTAGE 20 TO 32 V which makes me
>> think it can take a straight thru cable.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

[George Skorup]

The 450d is a standard 450SM board. Canopy POE polarity only. So yes, 
you'll need to reverse the blues and browns at one end.


The 450b, Force180 and Force200 are all polarity agnostic.

On 2/2/2018 3:29 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Is anyone else powering a 450d SM with a Netonix? I'm wondering if I 
need to reverse the polarity on the cable like we do with 450 SM and 
AP. Looking at the spec sheet it just says INPUT VOLTAGE 20 TO 32 V 
which makes me think it can take a straight thru cable.

[AFMUG] Powering a 450d SM via 24v, need polarity crossover?

[Ryan Ray]

Is anyone else powering a 450d SM with a Netonix? I'm wondering if I need
to reverse the polarity on the cable like we do with 450 SM and AP. Looking
at the spec sheet it just says INPUT VOLTAGE 20 TO 32 V which makes me
think it can take a straight thru cable.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Bill Prince]

Is the 844 actually doing beam forming? In which case the exact 
orientation of the antennas could be misleading.


bp


On 2/2/2018 12:46 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

Chuck,

If you tear apart a 844 you'll notice that the antenna elements don't 
seem to cover 360 degrees. It does a good job with coverage but you'll 
notice that it can be hamstrung if not in the right orientation. That 
has been our experience anyway.


On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:17 AM, > wrote:


I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3
floors. Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my
radiant heating system.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire
house.

bp


On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the
original version which was a complete flop and waste of money.
I didn't upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a
larger house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most
reliable ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

I am getting good omni coverage.  Been a while since I looked inside one.  

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Chuck, 

If you tear apart a 844 you'll notice that the antenna elements don't seem to 
cover 360 degrees. It does a good job with coverage but you'll notice that it 
can be hamstrung if not in the right orientation. That has been our experience 
anyway.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:17 AM,  wrote:

  I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3 floors. 
Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my radiant heating 
system.

  -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
  Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?


  We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
  square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.

  bp
  

  On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium 
e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable 
ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Eric Muehleisen]

Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be
> fiber to each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It
> would include the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide
> bulk power to this box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for
> power/management, and a strand of fiber down the tower for management of it
> all.   That would get you management into each of the 450m's and power and
> sync.
>
> For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the
> tower via fiber.
>
> At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.
>
> This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.
>
> On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same
>> concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would
>> need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster.
>> You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G
>> pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a
>> product like this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't
>> something similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a
>> multi port injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio.
>> Or even CWDM mux.
>>
>> On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout"  
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>>
>> Forrest,
>>
>> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
>> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>>
>> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
>> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>>
>>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>>> only.
>>>
>>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>>> know timing yet.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>>>
 Good morning,

 Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
 per tower.

 I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some
 issues with these devices and their support not being that great.

 *Tyson Burris, President*
   *Internet Communications Inc.*
   *739 Commerce Dr.*
 *
 
 **Franklin, IN 46131*
 *
 
 **
 *

 *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Eric Muehleisen]

Chuck,

If you tear apart a 844 you'll notice that the antenna elements don't seem
to cover 360 degrees. It does a good job with coverage but you'll notice
that it can be hamstrung if not in the right orientation. That has been our
experience anyway.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:17 AM,  wrote:

> I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3 floors.
> Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my radiant heating
> system.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
> square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is
>> not very good.
>>
>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> TJ
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] USB over IP

[Dave]

Thats what I was thinking or and arduino
 I use arduinos to monitor a couple large sites with all kinds of 
things to monitor including an old trunking system.



On 02/01/2018 09:24 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
How about connecting a Raspberry PI to the generator and accessing it 
via IP?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 8:22 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] USB over IP

I have a generator control board that is interfaced via USB, it sits
about 50' away from the building.  The generator has been acting up on
me, failing it's exercise cycle about every 4 attempts, and there is not
an LCD troubleshooting display to see what went wrong. Plugging in via
USB give you complete control and monitoring through software (windows
only), but it requires pulling the control board out to access the USB
port.  I'd like to be able to get access to the control system remotely
by installing a permanent USB hookup, but without having to sit in the
snow and wind with a laptop.

I have found some USB to IP adapters, that range in price from $50-$300,
but they mostly talk about using them as Printer sharing devices. Will
any USB device work with them?  I'm guessing that some software is
required on the PC to get the USB to IP Bridge working, so the quality
of the device is probably dependent on that software.  It looks like
these devices may be mainly used in VM environments to attach USB
Devices to VMs without going through the physical host.    Has anyone
had experience with these devices?

Nate


--

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be
fiber to each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It
would include the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide
bulk power to this box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for
power/management, and a strand of fiber down the tower for management of it
all.   That would get you management into each of the 450m's and power and
sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower
via fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same
> concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would
> need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster.
> You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G
> pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a
> product like this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't
> something similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a
> multi port injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio.
> Or even CWDM mux.
>
> On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> *
>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>>
>>>
>>> VIA WIRELESS
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Members mailing list
>>> memb...@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[George Skorup]

Something I still really, really want is the 12 port PowerInjector+Sync. 
Make it and we'll buy it.


On 2/2/2018 5:54 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets 
and have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to 
my customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, 
many of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They 
have no interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't 
do a million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of 
mine recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 
GBIC port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which 
is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run 
with.   There are some which are minimal work which will likely get 
done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in 
various other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which 
are basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things 
people don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are 
looking for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them 
are really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout > wrote:


Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with
switches inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's
dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1
SFP port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far
enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever
going to see the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that
whatever solution you find will support at least 70W per port,
and all 4 pairs. Neither the 450i or 450m really care about
polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i
since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the
packetflux powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well. 
There will be a version which does medusa sync out sometime
soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris
> wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for
4 - 450m aps per tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard
about some issues with these devices and their support not
being that great.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce

Dr.**
**Franklin, IN

46131**
***
*317-738-0320  Daytime #*
*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* 


VIA WIRELESS


___
Members mailing list
memb...@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members





-- 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[George Skorup]

Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same 
concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would 
need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m 
cluster. You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. 
So only a 1G pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. 
Something I think a product like this would need is an integrated 
voltage regulator. And wasn't something similar kicked around in the 
past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port injector+sync with media 
conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM mux.


On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"TJ Trout" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:


I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough
along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see
the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity,
unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m
does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure
thing, just we don't know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris > wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 -
450m aps per tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about
some issues with these devices and their support not being
that great.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce

Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*317-738-0320  Daytime #*
*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* 


VIA WIRELESS


___
Members mailing list
memb...@wispa.org 
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members




-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT
59602


forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3 floors. 
Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my radiant heating 
system.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.

bp


On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the 
cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is 
not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable 
ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Bill Prince]

We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000 
square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.


bp


On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original 
version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't 
upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now 
and the coverage is not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable 
ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

Replied to the wrong thread.  That was supposed to be in response to: “Is the 
list still alive?”

Timing is a bit off today I guess...

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I QUIT!

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home 
WiFi?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long 
range AP" :) 

  It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the 
mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

  Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND 
RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices 
maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 
using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

  I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and 
I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in 
the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to 
second floor.

  If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't 
drop their stream or sessions.

  On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

That's certainly true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" 
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 
feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

  More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) 
handset having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I 
don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try 
to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. 

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing 
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird  
wrote:

  Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) 
which are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the 
newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which 
is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a 
"flop". 

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine 
or physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it 
right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

  Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  
wrote:

I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they 
can't seamlessly roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  
wrote:

  E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where. 
  Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 
400 




  On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount 
the original version which was a complete flop and waste of 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

I QUIT!

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home 
WiFi?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long 
range AP" :) 

  It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the 
mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

  Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND 
RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices 
maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 
using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

  I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and 
I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in 
the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to 
second floor.

  If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't 
drop their stream or sessions.

  On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

That's certainly true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" 
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 
feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

  More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) 
handset having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I 
don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try 
to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. 

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing 
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird  
wrote:

  Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) 
which are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the 
newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which 
is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a 
"flop". 

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine 
or physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it 
right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
 wrote:

  Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  
wrote:

I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they 
can't seamlessly roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  
wrote:

  E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where. 
  Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 
400 




  On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount 
the original version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't 
upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the 
coverage is not very good.  

What is the best option currently for the longest range 
most reliable ceiling mount AP available?

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[chuck]

Speaking for myself here, I don’t really make money by building commodity 
items.  

Switches are so low cost, integrating it into the system would be preferable 
than spinning one from the ground up.  Not only do you have a chip set that is 
arguably somewhat obsolete as soon as it is released but then you have a whole 
layer of software to support.  

A switch would certainly be easier in both respects since it is pretty much a 
canned solution from the ap note on up, but unless it makes me a bunch of 
money, I know my time is better spent trying to come up with novel solutions 
that do not currently exist.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:54 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I have a preference for a switch that works. 

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy to 
integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature range.   
Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never found any that I 
would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.  

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since the 
vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I refuse 
to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing (there's a 
reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that we can 
recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only sell to 
large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business with an 
organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC port, 
and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated well.   I 
need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting here, but other 
things have taken priority.   

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the pending 
projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially started 
projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are some which are 
minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible 
cambium sync products in various other form factors, and finishing a couple of 
i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is what 
people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't want, so 
I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.   I've got lots of 
ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

  Forrest, 

  It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, 
I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

  I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so 
we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

  TJ

  On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.


I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m 
with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed 
for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or 
even if it's ever going to see the light of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution 
you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.  Neither the 450i 
or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on 
the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:

  Good morning, 


  Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps 
per tower. 


  I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues 
with these devices and their support not being that great. 

  Tyson Burris, President 
  Internet Communications Inc. 
  739 Commerce Dr.
  Franklin, IN 46131

  317-738-0320 Daytime # 
  317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
  Online: www.surfici.net



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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Robert]

#nofans   meaning the whirly things that suck up dirt and die killing 
the device...


On 2/2/18 3:54 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and 
have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my 
customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many 
of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no 
interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't do a 
million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC 
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated 
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting 
here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.  
  There are some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon 
(i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other 
form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is 
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people 
don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking 
for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really 
of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout > wrote:


Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough
along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to
see the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that
whatever solution you find will support at least 70W per port,
and all 4 pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about
polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i
since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure
thing, just we don't know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris > wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4
- 450m aps per tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about
some issues with these devices and their support not being
that great.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce

Dr.**
**Franklin, IN

46131**
***
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Adam Moffett]

YAY!

-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 2/2/2018 8:52:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Umm 
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-5-channel-power-distribution-unit/ 
 ???   144W per channel @ 100W


It is limited to 8A (384W@48V) total across all outputs.  This limit is 
related to the maximum each pin can handle, and since this is arranged 
with a single input and multiple outputs you're limited to 8A.  But if 
you need 100W just think of it as a 3 port PDU with a couple spare 
low-current channels.


I mentioned in another thread that we have plans to make a version of 
this to try to help where you're switching a lot of heavy loads.  That 
version will likely look like six solid state, programmable current 
limited relays.  More wiring, but more power since you can do 8A per 
connector pin (so it might be as high as 8A per channel, but we need to 
do thermal engineering before I can guarantee that).   Oh, and removal 
of the negative ground/positive power requirement is part of this.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:24 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

I know it's not WISPAMERICA, but I might not have time to go.

This need might be less common in the wisposphere, but it would be 
useful to me to have a relay or pdu module that could switch 100W 
48VDC loads.


-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power


I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is 
fairly easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in 
industrial temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at 
numerous chipsets and have never found any that I would feel 
comfortable to provide to my customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only 
rated down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any 
temperature related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining 
chipsets, many of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume 
consumers.  They have no interest in doing business with an 
organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of 
mine recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 
1 GBIC port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board 
which is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run 
with.   There are some which are minimal work which will likely get 
done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in 
various other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which 
are basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things 
people don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are 
looking for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them 
are really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP 
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough 
along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see 
the light of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever 
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless 
you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does 
the new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a 
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure 
thing, just we don't know timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  
wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

This is fixed in the rackinjector,  and will continue through the product
line as we refresh it over the next year or so.   The limitation today has
to do with this data being stored in the expansion units themselves and
there is a total of 1024 bytes of eeprom for all descriptions and power on
values which doesn't go that far.

On Feb 2, 2018 5:22 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

Can I vote for longer names or descriptions on things?
The character limit drives me nuts.

E.G.: I want to label a relay as "Relay1: Triggers external power relay for
West Base Station".  Right now it's more like, "Rel1 W BS".


-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy
to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature
range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never
found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
(there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
here, but other things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
 I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Replacement for the CMM5 I definitely do have


On Feb 2, 2018 6:57 AM, "Tyson Burris"  wrote:

> Yes, it would be nice Forrest but I know you don’t have anything.
>
> I have reserved myself to a CMM5 at this point but not happy about it.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.
> *
> *Franklin, IN 46131
> *
>
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> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 2, 2018 6:55 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
>
>
> I have a preference for a switch that works.
>
>
>
> My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly
> easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial
> temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and
> have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my
> customers.
>
>
>
> The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
> the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
> refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
> (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
> we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
> sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
> with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.
>
>
>
> Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
> recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
> port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
> well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
> here, but other things have taken priority.
>
>
>
> Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
> pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
> started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
> some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
> medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
> finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).
>
>
>
> Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
> what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
> want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
>  I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
> interest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> Forrest,
>
>
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
>
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
>
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>
>
>
> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>
> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
> only.
>
> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
> know timing yet.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
>
>
> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per
> tower.
>
>
>
> I 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Tyson Burris]

Yes, it would be nice Forrest but I know you don’t have anything.
I have reserved myself to a CMM5 at this point but not happy about it.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

Daytime # 317-738-0320
Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 6:55 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy to 
integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature range.   
Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never found any that I 
would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since the 
vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I refuse 
to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing (there's a 
reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that we can 
recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only sell to 
large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business with an 
organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC port, 
and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated well.   I 
need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting here, but other 
things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the pending 
projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially started 
projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are some which are 
minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible 
cambium sync products in various other form factors, and finishing a couple of 
i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is what 
people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't want, so 
I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.   I've got lots of 
ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, I 
know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so we 
moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:
I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m with 5 
ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed for tower 
top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's 
ever going to see the light of day.
Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution you 
find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.  Neither the 450i or 
450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 
450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.
If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris 
> wrote:
Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per 
tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues with 
these devices and their support not being that great.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr. 

Franklin, IN 46131 


317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Umm
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-5-channel-power-distribution-unit/
???   144W per channel @ 100W

It is limited to 8A (384W@48V) total across all outputs.  This limit is
related to the maximum each pin can handle, and since this is arranged with
a single input and multiple outputs you're limited to 8A.  But if you need
100W just think of it as a 3 port PDU with a couple spare low-current
channels.

I mentioned in another thread that we have plans to make a version of this
to try to help where you're switching a lot of heavy loads.  That version
will likely look like six solid state, programmable current limited
relays.  More wiring, but more power since you can do 8A per connector pin
(so it might be as high as 8A per channel, but we need to do thermal
engineering before I can guarantee that).   Oh, and removal of the negative
ground/positive power requirement is part of this.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:24 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I know it's not WISPAMERICA, but I might not have time to go.
>
> This need might be less common in the wisposphere, but it would be useful
> to me to have a relay or pdu module that could switch 100W 48VDC loads.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
> I have a preference for a switch that works.
>
> My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly
> easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial
> temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and
> have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my
> customers.
>
> The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
> the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
> refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
> (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
> we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
> sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
> with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.
>
> Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
> recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
> port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
> well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
> here, but other things have taken priority.
>
> Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
> pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
> started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
> some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
> medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
> finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).
>
> Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
> what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
> want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
>  I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
> interest.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Forrest,
>>
>> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
>> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>>
>> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
>> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>>
>>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>>> only.
>>>
>>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>>> know timing yet.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>>>
 Good morning,

 Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
 per tower.

 I have heard 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Adam Moffett]

I know it's not WISPAMERICA, but I might not have time to go.

This need might be less common in the wisposphere, but it would be 
useful to me to have a relay or pdu module that could switch 100W 48VDC 
loads.


-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power


I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets 
and have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my 
customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many 
of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no 
interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't do a 
million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC 
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which 
is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.  
 There are some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon 
(i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various 
other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which are 
basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people 
don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking 
for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are 
really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP 
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along 
to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light 
of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever 
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless 
you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the 
new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a 
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, 
just we don't know timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  
wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m 
aps per tower.


I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some 
issues with these devices and their support not being that great.


Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.  

Franklin, IN 46131  



317-738-0320  Daytime #
317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net



VIA WIRELESS


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forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

  

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy
to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature
range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never
found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
(there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
here, but other things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
 I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> *
>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
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>>>
>>>
>>> VIA WIRELESS
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Adam Moffett]

Can I vote for longer names or descriptions on things?
The character limit drives me nuts.

E.G.: I want to label a relay as "Relay1: Triggers external power relay 
for West Base Station".  Right now it's more like, "Rel1 W BS".



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power


I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets 
and have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my 
customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many 
of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no 
interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't do a 
million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC 
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which 
is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.  
 There are some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon 
(i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various 
other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which are 
basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people 
don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking 
for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are 
really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP 
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along 
to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light 
of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever 
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless 
you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the 
new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a 
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, 
just we don't know timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  
wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m 
aps per tower.


I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some 
issues with these devices and their support not being that great.


Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.  

Franklin, IN 46131  



317-738-0320  Daytime #
317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net



VIA WIRELESS


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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 

forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

  

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

[Mike Hammett]

and some of us hate switches in their network altogether. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 


Forrest, 


It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, I 
know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont. 


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so we 
moved away from packetflux for new deployments. 


TJ 


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 





I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe. 



I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m with 5 
ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed for tower 
top mounting. Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's 
ever going to see the light of day. 

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution you 
find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs. Neither the 450i or 
450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 
450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only. 

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well. There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet. 



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris < t...@franklinisp.net > wrote: 



Good morning, 


Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per 
tower. 


I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues with 
these devices and their support not being that great. 


Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 

317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 


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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Jeremy]

Also, I started out using Cisco POE switches with UBNT 802.3af adapters.
They were problematic, and the POE fails around 10 degrees.  I use Netonix
at most sites now, but most devices are still powered using the
GIGE-POE-APC units from Chuck.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:48 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> The AC-DC power supply is in the back of the rack.  Meanwell 24V and
> Trango -48V.  The APC is left behind from the old days of how I used to
> build out sites.  All of our sites are straight DC now, but these two sites
> are the only two left with APC units.  The ICT stuff was expensive, but it
> has been solid as a rock for five years now.  I can't remember
> exactly...think I got them from Hutton.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 12:13 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Jeremy must hate POE switches also why the APC with your DC plant,
>> have you considered a dc-ac inverter?
>>
>> Where is the AC-DC power supply? dont see one in rack
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I love my ICT stuff!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Unless your batteries are really stoned.
 -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January
 31, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant
 conversion
 On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:

> Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD
> units can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.
>


 SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
 shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
 enough for startup inrush though.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[Jeremy]

The AC-DC power supply is in the back of the rack.  Meanwell 24V and Trango
-48V.  The APC is left behind from the old days of how I used to build out
sites.  All of our sites are straight DC now, but these two sites are the
only two left with APC units.  The ICT stuff was expensive, but it has been
solid as a rock for five years now.  I can't remember exactly...think I got
them from Hutton.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 12:13 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Jeremy must hate POE switches also why the APC with your DC plant,
> have you considered a dc-ac inverter?
>
> Where is the AC-DC power supply? dont see one in rack
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I love my ICT stuff!
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Unless your batteries are really stoned.
>>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, January
>>> 31, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant
>>> conversion
>>> On 1/31/18 15:44, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
 Do NOT use the SD series.  Sager is a reputable supplier!  The RSD
 units can be hard to find at times, but are super reliable.

>>>
>>>
>>> SD-500 and larger does do constant current limiting but with a 5 second
>>> shutoff. All of the smaller SD series do not. 5 seconds should be more than
>>> enough for startup inrush though.
>>>
>>
>>
>