[AFMUG] Fiber blowing y block
Any recommendations? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed
I wouldn’t go non-HD on the AF at this point. last I checked AF is only fixed ratio but might be fine. But speeds using 5AC won’t be slow comparatively. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 5, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Which is better, Rocket 5AC + RocketDish LW > or > AF5X + AF-5G34-S45 > > ? > > Or some other brand. Hauling out PTP to a customer. Like to keep the > bandwidth up but they are not currently asking for more than 100 Mbps.
Re: [AFMUG] Alignment tips for AF11Fx
We’ve had issues also. We always tested on the bench after that just to remove
the doubts...
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Apr 25, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> so we got a -53dBm on one end and nothing on the other end? aligned and
> realignedhaving the other side check duplexor is 4 and 2 on their side
> because its 2 and 4 on my side
> i downloaded the manual...guess I will have to read it... this is a 9.3 mile
> linkI have aligned 11GHz up to 23 miles but with voltmeter on 110 ft
> tower was easier.
> Help Mr. wizard
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>> Oh yeah sorry. Mimosa has that feature and the OP was about the UBNT radio.
>>
>> My bad
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 6:24 PM Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:22 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Umm... No.
>>>> That's the Mimosa B11 that has that feature, as well as the newer Ubuntu
>>>> 5ghz AC radios, but as far as I know, the af11 has nothing of the sort.
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:09 PM Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They do? That's news to me.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 6:50 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The units have a 2.4ghz Wi-Fi convection for configuring and aiming.
>>>>>> You’ll probably want to turn it off when you are done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:08 PM Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> So no voltmeter alignment option on AirFiber 11FX? That's how I align
>>>>>>> Dragonwave, Siklu and Bridgewave. ...going to have to set up WiFi
>>>>>>> hotspots at two locations and use tablet on two towers to align
>>>>>>> antennasno other equipment there presently
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 1:37 PM Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> We reserved bobcat with 2 ft. scoop and
>>>>>>>> arranged for cement trucks to pour concrete in tower base pits week
>>>>>>>> before we went to Artesia for last Mobday. Ended with this and cement
>>>>>>>> mixer since no trucks available!!! So instead of two tower base
>>>>>>>> erections on Monday, we did second one on Tuesday!!!
>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:37 AM Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Blew my hair off along with hard hat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:31 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Good for both of you! I've been on towers when the wind gets too
>>>>>>>>>> high,
>>>>>>>>>> and it is more dangerous than you tend to think. Everything, and I
>>>>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>>> everything, gets more difficult.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/2018 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Ok...I will do that when we go back...winds will be up to 20mph
>>>>>>>>>> > all
>>>>>>>>>> > week...at 25 they get us off the roof and my Comtrain certified
>>>>>>>>>> > assistant refused to let me climb
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Jaime Solorza
>
Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
Check Aviat and SIAE also
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 8:55 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, in so much as I don’t want to pay the extra $100 plus per month for each
> foot of dish…..
>
> If there is a 2 foot solution I want to find it. As I said Dragonwave will
> work but I don’t want to wait.
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:03 PM
> To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> Are you restricted in antenna size at both ends? If one could be larger, that
> would get you the range.
>
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net>
> wrote:
> Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.
>
> Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz. Liz is my go-to, but
> Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>
> >>>Fcc changed the rules. You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>
> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> Fcc changed the rules. You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>
> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>
> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
>
> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s
> equipment you use.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone. I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6
> GHz?
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
> what rain zone are you in?
>
> yes our link is in 18GHz
>
> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you
> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>
> -sean
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>
> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> What does link planner say you need?
>
> Five nines I presume?
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> > Yes, looking at both.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> >
> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. Especially
> >> the G and GS.
> >
> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
> >
>
>
>
>
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing
Spiceworks helpdesk has been working well for us Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 18, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Jeff Evans <afmugli...@pennwisp.com> wrote: > > Freshdesk has a fairly good and simple one (free) more add ons for paid >> On 4/18/2018 6:54 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays? I've about had it with >> our system. >> >> -- >> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. >> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 >> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?
Even this fall could be much better... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:21 AM, can...@believewireless.net > <p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > > I was lazy about it too but mostly because summer is our busy season. > >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> No, just too low a turnout (single digit) to attract sponsors. Might give >> it a go later in the year, >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:18 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >> > >> > I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is canceled :( >> > Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered... >> > >> > I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel like an >> > idiot for procrastinating on the registration! >> > >> > >
[AFMUG] MDU kickback structures ?
What are some common kickback percentages to the building owner? How do ATT, Comcast, etc work with landlords? Thanks Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] pmp450i 3ghz vs 5ghz
agreed! Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 1, 2018, at 8:23 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Don't plan on going through any trees with either of those platforms. You may > go through some with 3.65 but at a reduced rate which will drag down your AP > total capacity. I would go with 5ghz because you have tonsmore channels to > work with rather then just 50mhz in 3.65. And in 5ghz you can likely run > wider channels resulting in more throughput. > >> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >> wrote: >> 5G will do longer distance with same size antennas. 450 is still picky so >> going through a tree or two at a distance with 3G is the limit. I’d stick to >> using 3G for LTE type gear with lower sensitivity. >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >> > On Apr 1, 2018, at 4:44 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >> > >> > Could someone in the know compare the two? Range? Throughput? Which one >> > can hold a higher modulation rate at say 5 or 10 miles? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > TJ >
Re: [AFMUG] pmp450i 3ghz vs 5ghz
5G will do longer distance with same size antennas. 450 is still picky so going through a tree or two at a distance with 3G is the limit. I’d stick to using 3G for LTE type gear with lower sensitivity. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 1, 2018, at 4:44 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > > Could someone in the know compare the two? Range? Throughput? Which one can > hold a higher modulation rate at say 5 or 10 miles? > > Thanks, > > > TJ
Re: [AFMUG] OT Fw: Hyundai 285 Black on Black 59c/watt Limited Time Only!
What about controller and such? Recommendations? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:27 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > That is your landed price. > > -Original Message- From: Robert > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:19 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fw: Hyundai 285 Black on Black 59c/watt Limited Time > Only! > > And that price with the tarriffs? > >> On 3/28/18 4:12 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> *From:* Affordable Solar >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:55 PM >> *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com >> *Subject:* Hyundai 285 Black on Black 59c/watt Limited Time Only! >> >> Affordable Solar News and product Information >> Affordable Solar Logo >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hZmZvcmRhYmxlLXNvbGFyLmNvbQ**&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> >> >> *Hyundai 285 and Q-cell 295* >> >> >> Order Today! >> >> >> >> >> >> *Hyundai's RG Black series* includes PERL technology whihc provides >> ultra-high efficiency with better performance in low irradiation. Maximize >> installation capacity in limited space. >> >> >> >> On you phone? Tap to Call & Order Yours Today! >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=dGVsOjgwMC44MTAuOTkzOQ**&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> >> >> >> Interested in exclusive installer benefits? >> >> Apply Now >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hZmZvcmRhYmxlLXNvbGFyLmNvbS9pbnN0YWxsZXJzL2FmZm9yZGFibGUtc29sYXItaW5zdGFsbGVyLWFwcGxpY2F0aW9uLw**&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> >> Unrivaled Benefits and Pricing >> >> 4840 Pan American East FWY NE Albuquerque, NM, 87109 >> Don't like these emails? Unsubscribe using the links below. >> Follow us for updates. >> Follow us on Twitter >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=aHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0dGVyLmNvbS9hc2d3aG9sZXNhbGU*&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> Follow us on LinkedIn >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGlua2VkaW4uY29tL2NvbXBhbnkvYWZmb3JkYWJsZS1zb2xhcg**&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> >> Copyright © 1998–2017 Affordable Solar. All rights reserved. >> >> >> >> >> You are subscribed as <ch...@wbmfg.com>. Click here >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29tL2FwcC9jcm0vbWFya2V0aW5nL2NhbXBhaWdubGlzdGVuZXIubmw_X19sc3RyPV9fc3UmYz04NTA3MDkmX19oPWQwNjBlYzhiNDdjNWUzYTMzYjE1Jl9fcj0xODMxODM3Jl9fb2k9bQ**&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> to manage your email subscription preferences. >> Click here >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29tL2FwcC9jcm0vbWFya2V0aW5nL2NhbXBhaWdubGlzdGVuZXIubmw_X19sc3RyPV9fc3UmYz04NTA3MDkmX19oPWQwNjBlYzhiNDdjNWUzYTMzYjE1Jl9fcj0xODMxODM3Jl9fb2k9dQ**&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> or reply to this email with 'unsubscribe' in the subject to unsubscribe >> from this list or if you feel you have received this message in error. >> This message was sent from Affordable Solar 4840 Pan American East Fwy NE >> Albuquerque NM 87109 US. Click here >> <http://newsletter.affordable-solar.com/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl=850709&__h=94373ed7f7da988ade29&__r=1831837=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29tL2FwcC9zaXRlL2NybS9leHRlcm5hbGNhc2VwYWdlLm5sP2NvbXBpZD1OTENPUlAmZm9ybWlkPTE1Jmg9QUFDZmZodF9wVEEtRWdERFVzNmFZTUY5NWxIdnUwRlI1YTAmdGl0bGU9Q2FtcGFpZ24rRW1haWwrQWJ1c2UmY3VzdGVudGl0eTczPTg1MDcwOQ**&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uYTEubmV0c3VpdGUuY29t> >> to report email abuse.
Re: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS?
We’ve had upss simply shut down below freezing which is totally not cool Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yeah temperature compensation is an oft overlooked feature. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 3/27/2018 7:13:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS? > >> How do they handle say 0 deg F? >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 5:29 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: >>> >>> OK first this UPS does NOT SNMP. >>> >>> However that said the APC BG500 (APC Back-UPS Pro 500) with Lithium Ion >>> batteries is a nice little unit that comes with built in ethernet. It >>> does have email alerting which you could use to send Text alerts to your >>> phones. We like them for micro sites. >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Marshall >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:47 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS? >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Does anyone know of any cheap consumer level UPS’s that can be monitored >>> via SNMP over ethernet? >>> Something non-rack mountable and that doesn’t require external batteries? >>> Everything I find wants to be monitored through USB with proprietary >>> programs like Powerchute, etc… >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Justin >>>
Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
N type is always a no brainer. RP-SMA also Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > What kind of GPS antennas does everyone prefer for outdoor mounting? > What kind of RF connectors are prefered? > > I have a BITS clock completed (sans framing, will get back to that someday). > It is rack mounted. > But we have to cable it to an outside antenna. So, the installers will most > likely have to terminate the cable. > BNC, N, F, SMA, Mini UHF, UHF, lotsa options. > > What does the CMM family use for antennas and connectors?
Re: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS?
How do they handle say 0 deg F? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 27, 2018, at 5:29 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: > > OK first this UPS does NOT SNMP. > > However that said the APC BG500 (APC Back-UPS Pro 500) with Lithium Ion > batteries is a nice little unit that comes with built in ethernet. It does > have email alerting which you could use to send Text alerts to your phones. > We like them for micro sites. > > Adam > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Marshall > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:47 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS? > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any cheap consumer level UPS’s that can be monitored via > SNMP over ethernet? > Something non-rack mountable and that doesn’t require external batteries? > Everything I find wants to be monitored through USB with proprietary programs > like Powerchute, etc… > > Thanks, > Justin >
[AFMUG] Max BW through canopy SM?
I’ve seen it listed as 51Mbps per VC. Is that the case or can a 450i SM do more? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
If you want to go China, I tried some from FCST.com.cn around $50ea + shipping was not cheap. Heat shrink works but not as nice ask FOSC. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:24 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Come to AnimalFarm and see the results > www.afmug.com > > From: Erich Kaiser > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 9:16 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases > > Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome > of your testing :) > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 815-570-3101 > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> I am going to buy a few and give them a try. I wonder how well they will do >> under water. >> They need to work on their online search. I am always having problems >> finding stuff I know they have. >> >> Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from? >> >> From: Steve Utick >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases >> >> They are listed under WDM & Optical Access: >> >> https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17 >> >>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> I see trays but not enclosures. >>> >>> Link? >>> >>> From: Erich Kaiser >>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases >>> >>> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44 >>> >>> Erich Kaiser >>> North Central Tower >>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet? >>>> >>>> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of >>>> everyone else. >>>> >>>> Hoping for something lower cost. Not really an area you want to cut >>>> corners on, but they sure are expensive. Say you feed 144 strands in and >>>> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops. You >>>> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that. $20 to $40 per drop >>>> just for the splice case. >>>> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer >>>> before electronics just to make the splice. >>> >>> >> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] It's on
Who cares. Good excuse for a mid summer vacation Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:26 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > AnimalFarm has always been a great conference: very fun, inexpensive, great > people and insight, and it helped me gain a massive amount of experience / > knowledge / connections in the WISP industry. You could see that Chuck and > his crew had the dedication and organization to make things happen. > > But winter AnimalFarm was a good excuse to get out of my cold province during > the winters; that doesn't apply to June. Decisions... > > >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> June 12 & 13 AnimalFarm >> >> I even have vendors tracking me down here at WISPAmerica wanting to sponsor. >> >> Going to start to put together the agenda. Very short sessions like always. >> Need the crowd to evolve this thing. >> >> Day 1: >> Fiber theory, channels, band plan >> SFPs >> Passive mux >> CWDM DWDM >> >> FTTH network topology >> GPON >> AE >> Pros and cons >> >> OSP Network Components >> Costs and Features >> Cable >> Conduit >> Handholes >> Splice Cases >> Splitters >> >> Cabinets >> Cross boxes >> Electronics >> Powering and cooling >> >> Fiber >> Splicing >> Connectors >> Engineering considerations >> Costs >> >> NOC >> MT FTTH in a box solution >> >> Day 2: Hands On >> HDD operations >> Vacuum Excavators >> Hole Hawg and other missiles >> Underground location >> Eating mass quantities of dead animals. >> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
Timeframe on 3000 AP? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 7, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > > 3000 is backwards compatible with ALL ePMP radios including Elevate. So all > existing Force 110, Force 200 radios will connect to ePMP 3000 and still have > some improvement on latency and throughput without using the new Force 300 CPE > > Doubles throughput if all clients are Force 300 AC but you can realize > improvements if only some of the clients are switched like your heavy users. > They will also release an update so the Force 300 CPE will connect to > existing 1000 and 2000 AP's. So instead of 110 Mbps aggregate in 20mhz > channel, you can realize up to 250 Mbps in 20mhz channel with 3000 and Force > 300 CPE. > > 3000 is 5ghz only, not 2.4 at this time. > > > >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" >> in the same channel size? >> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz >> >>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote: >>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work >>> with the new AP is how I took it. >>> >>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Coming soon >>>> >>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap >>>> >>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate >>>> >>>> Ac based chipset >>>> >>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my smartphone >>>> >> > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com > 507-634-WiFi > Like us on Facebook
[AFMUG] Best budget cat5 for tower sites?
Who’s got the best budget cat5 these days that at least has hdpe or nylon shell? What is everyone using for tower sites? Preferably $180/box or less Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] UPS
What’s a BCMU setup look like? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:14 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: > > BCMU
[AFMUG] UBNT buy?
Any thoughts? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] PTP820C radios not booting up - ideas?
2+amp 48V Power is right on the power port? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 17, 2018, at 6:19 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > So we have a new (i.e. put into production in the last couple of days) pair > of 820C radios.I discovered earlier tonight that XPIC was not enabled on > the radios, limiting throughput. > > In the process of enabling XPIC, we made some changes to the config, rebooted > both ends, and now neither end will boot fully. We see the interfaces come > up for about 30 seconds every 2.5 minutes, then they drop off and the cycle > repeats. > > We've tried power cycling both ends. We've tried powering off one end in > hopes it was related to the radios talking to each other. > > We have also attempted to get in with the 'splitter cable' on the management > port. Using the provided IP addresses, we get a few pings out of the radio > each cycle on the 'recovery port' (like 4), but are not able to start a web > session at all. I haven't put a packet sniffer on it to see if it responds > to the SYN packet or not, but it sure doesn't seem like it even starts a > connection (just times out). > > In the hopes that SNMP was coming up during this time and I could issue a > config reset via SNMP, we also tried to do a SNMP put and a SNMP get (at > different times) with the community string we configured the radios with, and > it seems like SNMP is not responding either. > > I'm going to get some sleep now, and try again tomorrow. We've opened up a > ticket with Cambium support but I'm not getting any meaningful response out > of them, and because of the timing, they're unable or unwilling to escalate > beyond level one. > > I'm hoping someone has been through this and knows the magic solution > Any ideas? > > -- > Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > >
[AFMUG] FS: Calix 844E-1
eBay: 183071945963 Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
The pricing for a ZTE OLT from Baltic is $4-5k. Is that about right? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > > Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever > dealt with ubnt support? Last time I tried they were about useless. > > Smartolt.com provides a subscription based web gui for the zte OLT. It's a > nice system, if you are okay trusting that functionality to some guy in > Romania. The CLI is pretty clunky but you can do it that way too. > > > >> On Feb 15, 2018 10:07 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> wrote: >> Thanks for the information. Others were saying the ZTE units are basically >> without any support, so I thought that might be a potential benefit to the >> Ubiquiti gear. What do you use to manage the ZTE gear? Is it just CLI? >> >> -Jason >> >>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: >>> The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE powered >>> ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5 runs, >>> and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH, with a >>> media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying the Nano >>> would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to -10C... this >>> told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it would work >>> using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not confidence >>> building. >>> >>> So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less than >>> half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully load >>> the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in the >>> ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also struggled >>> with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a >>> horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was >>> worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform. >>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie >>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti? >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max >>>>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter >>>>> that needs to be set. >>>>> >>>>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is >>>>> about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 >>>>> rx sens. >>>>> >>>>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance. >>>>> >>>>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's also a compelling point. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not a simple question for sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company >>>>>> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what >>>>>> THEY will prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. >>>>>> >>>>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a >>>>>> bias towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that in mind >>>>>> too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>> >>>>>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>>>>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and >>>>>>> outdoor cabinets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer. >>>>>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
How much margin above sensitivity should be targeted? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 14, 2018, at 11:01 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > > Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max difference > of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter that needs to > be set. > > We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is about > +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx sens. > > I've been very impressed with the optical performance. > > We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE > >> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> That's also a compelling point. >> >> It's not a simple question for sure. >> >> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company wanted >> to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what THEY will >> prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. >> >> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a >> bias towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that in mind too. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >> >>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor >>> cabinets. >>> >>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer. >>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself to >>> do PON. >>> >>> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>> To: Chuck McCown >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>> www.MyakkaTech.com >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>> >>> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>> To: Adam Moffett >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> Adam, >>> >>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>> exceed 20Km." >>> >>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>> >>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into the >>> last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 count >>> cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles depending on >>> density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter to ribbons >>> 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light budget. >>> >>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage per >>> port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>> www.MyakkaTech.com >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>> >>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber >>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com> >>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>> >>> >>> Adam, >>> >>> How far are yo
Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
Nice planning. How are you calculating your ratios and such? FS supplying the splitter? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:50 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > > Yes, i think its a beautiful fit for lower density rural where you have long > linear roads. We do have some areas with 5 or less houses per mile too. > > The first splitter is a 1x2 FBT (fused biconal taper) those can be made in > any split ratio I think they vary the angle that the fibers meet. They are > common offered in "windowed" version that only pass typical GPON wavelengths, > but we custom ordered full bandwidth ones for future 10G PON techs. > > Then the output of that FBT can go right to a drop or to a second "normal" > PLC splitter to serve multiple drops. > > We did about 12 miles with this method this year, maybe 80 or so handhole > with this splitter method, end of the run is about 10 miles from the cabinet. > >> On Feb 14, 2018 8:26 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Yup that's a thing. That was actually my plan "A", except where he's got >> 30-40 houses in 2 miles I've got 5-10. >> >> I think PLC splitters are always even, and the other type which I can't >> remember the name of can be uneven. >> In coax they call that a "tap", but in fiber it's called a "coupler", and >> the thing everybody is calling a coupler is a "mating sleeve". >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 2/14/2018 7:24:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >> >>> Interesting, so you have splitters that divide light unevenly? Or am I >>> misunderstanding you? >>> >>> On another note, I wonder if anyone has compared the ZTE GPON stuff with >>> Ubiquiti's offering... >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: >>>> We splice in a uneven ratio 1x2 feeding a 1xN PLC to fees drops at that >>>> splice point. So it might look like a 10/90 with the 10% into the 1x4 and >>>> 90% continuing down the road on the same strand. Troubleshooting can be >>>> tricky, we test light as we splice to verify everything. The benefit is I >>>> can pass 2 miles of road, 30-40 houses using one strand on a 12ct mainline >>>> and still have 11 unused strands at the end to keep going. >>>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2018 4:01 PM, "Jason McKemie" >>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been >>>> considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise, >>>> seems like a nightmare. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: >>>>> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan >>>>> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate. >>>>> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went >>>>> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different >>>>> router that solves the problem. >>>>> >>>>> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway >>>>> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC >>>>> wifi and voip. >>>>> >>>>> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot >>>>> of money on strand count in our low density rural areas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chuck, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of several >>>>>> other operators using the same setup now too. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality >>>>>> made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500 >>>>>> shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is
Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
We have to recognize your name to be able to complain... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Feb 13, 2018, at 3:25 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck >> >> You do realize that this list is my list, right? > No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the list. > >> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right? > Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly with > a canned message. > >> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list. > Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out unsolicited > commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best practices > include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: > https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in > > In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, unbeknownst > to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email list. > > Jared
Re: [AFMUG] Government Money
Maybe I’m wrong. But if cost, but not ROI was the denominator, would you want to compromise on ‘2nd best’ system? They typically have bigger pockets... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 9:02 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is the second comment today along these lines. > Why would I want to spend more if there's government funding? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 2/12/2018 8:58:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > >> Got ya. If he’s starting fresh, check out Mimosa also. Also consider AF11fx >> for backhaul at some point. I’m not sure I would recommend 450 unless it’s a >> government funded situation. >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >
Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
Got ya. If he’s starting fresh, check out Mimosa also. Also consider AF11fx for backhaul at some point. I’m not sure I would recommend 450 unless it’s a government funded situation. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I never use an AF5X anywhere. I used Orthogon when they first came out and > had good luck. > > From: Jon Langeler > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:47 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > He’ll need some frequency separation. Hey I thought you would’ve know all > this stuff a long time ago? > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > >> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> All on the same tower, right? >> >> From: Jaime Solorza >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp >> >> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in >> Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... >> >> Jaime Solorza >> >>> On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5 >>> miles from a backbone connection. I would suggest AF5X to him but he is >>> gonna want to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume. >>> >>> Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points peacefully >>> coexist on a tower? >>> Very rural area. Not expecting much interference other than home routers.
Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
He’ll need some frequency separation. Hey I thought you would’ve know all this stuff a long time ago? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > All on the same tower, right? > > From: Jaime Solorza > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp > > Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in > Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... > > Jaime Solorza > >> On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5 miles >> from a backbone connection. I would suggest AF5X to him but he is gonna >> want to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume. >> >> Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points peacefully >> coexist on a tower? >> Very rural area. Not expecting much interference other than home routers.
Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
It will work fine. Use a 2nd diverse as well... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... > > From: Chuck McCown > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box > > Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or > so homes. > I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area. It will require some > build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of expertise. > > Considering a minimal NOC build. > > I asked this question of someone once before and I cannot find their answer. > Not sure if asked on the list or not. But the answer went something like > this: > > Buy a big CCR. > Hire Linktechs to configure it. > Put in a big switch for the AE SFPs and rock and roll. > > I am sure I would need at least one server. DHCP, NAT, DNS? > But can all of that be provided by the CCR? > > What is the smallest NOC configuration that could be created? > > Batts, rectifier, cooling. > > I really could put all this in a cabinet on the corner of the street. > > >
Re: [AFMUG] tying down wires
I’ve been looking for a solution like this. Neat idea. One of our guys is basically trying to 3d print something like this Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 9, 2018, at 6:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I wonder if I put one of these in the box: > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-14-Terminal-Ground-Bar-Kit-GBK14CS/100175627 > > with the screws removed, if that would be a suitable thing to tie off cables > coming into the box to? > > > (not sure the image will come through)
[AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
Is that out yet? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
[AFMUG] Is the list still alive?
Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
[AFMUG] Employee clocking out and such...
For employees with company install vehicle, at what point is everyone having them clock out at the end of the day if they are allowed to take it home? When the job is done? Or when they ‘get back’? What about gas usage if they take it home? Thanks Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] FCC licensing for dummies
It’s new work. But maybe only $1500 or less for the FCC paperwork. There’s no loopholes to be had. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Dec 14, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So, as long as you're using the same channels, it's basically just updating > the hardware on the license, and you don't have to go through coordination or > anything like that? What about if you're currently using a 56mhz channel and > go up to 80mhz? > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: >>> On 12/13/17 8:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> Why not license that 57(60) mhz channel at 80 just to have the 80 when we >>> relocate it? can we do that? >> >> In 11GHz your choices at the upper end are 40 or 80MHz channels. If you want >> to run at any size above 40Mhz then you would ask to license an 80Mhz >> channel. For example a SAF Lumina running at 56Mhz would license an 80MHz >> channel. >> >>> >>> We also have two mimosa links at 80 that id prefer to have nearer the end >>> of our network than closer. As long as we dont exceed EIRP and reuse the >>> antenna, is there anything stopping us from just replacing these with the >>> more stable integra 2+0? >>> >>> does the fcc care if the hardware changes, but the pattern stays the same >>> without exceeding the EIRP? >> >> Yes, you have to modify the license for any changes. >> >> ~Seth >
[AFMUG] AF11FX
In SISO mode, what polarity is it using? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?
We charge $1500 for 900 installs but I’m debating if that’s even worth it as the speeds can vary (sporadic interference). I almost favor offering just the ‘tower build’ option and getting more line of site customers off it. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11 > different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible > to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the PMP100 > so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have because > they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at costs I see > the following: > > PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000 > 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320 > PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784 > SM antenna x 20 = $1,424 > > equipment cost total = $58,528 > plus my time of putting it all up > > I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on the > PMP100-900mhz now. > > At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the 450i-900mhz > and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I was able to > offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff. > > Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
Re: [AFMUG] Our panel on top of tank for measuring water levels
What kind of batteries? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > We clean up wiring tomorrow...one tank has problems and they digging right > where we have to work so will finish next week. > > Jaime Solorza > > On Nov 29, 2017 5:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > You can see power levels from solar panels easily and once completed, owner > will get alarms from our system. > > Jaime Solorza > >
Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon
I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it all relates to the filters installed. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX. > > I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site. > > What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: > IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX > > Is mine just plain outdated? > Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM > To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon > > Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios? > > I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range. > > So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the > 11GHz. > > My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the > range I need.
[AFMUG] Rohn 45G in stock?
Anyone have 2-4 sections in stock in Michigan? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
[AFMUG] Cambium 900APs for sale
Sorry I forgot to post Friday and I’ve heard of these being wanted: Cambium 450i 900Mhz AP https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F222693582614 Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K
Yes like Chicago. What’s your thoughts on 1mi? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Is your rain in Grand Rapids like Chicago rain? If so, yes. :-p > > Look back to the IgniteNet thread for the links to the TBW Facebook posts > where I talk about better ways of calculating sanity of links. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:26:48 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K > > Is 2mi crazy? > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > >
[AFMUG] AF24 max distance rain zone K
Is 2mi crazy? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
I’ve seen very good results on east-west link with -50s with rain zone k at 20ish miles. Modulation reduced a few times. 60mhz though for channels in 6G Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 21, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > What is going to be the uptime at 2 gig.? > > On Oct 21, 2017 8:14 PM, "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > The new bridgewave navigator can run 4 channels total. So about 600mbps x 4 = > 2.4 gbps full duplex. You would need to have two 80mhz channels available in > both vertical and horizontal polarities to work with that much bandwidth. > > On Oct 21, 2017 7:08 PM, "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> wrote: >> Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up >> to double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood. >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >>> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>> >>> For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two >>> 60MHz channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual >>> PTP820C/IP20C's at each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex. >>> Been a while since I looked at all of the different supported >>> configurations though, so I might be remembering wrong. >>> >>>> On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote: >>>> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Will start Monday >>>> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link >>>> Thanks for the input >>>> >>>> Mitch >>>> >>>>> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> Dragonwave as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig >>>>> >>>>> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to >>>>> work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with >>>>> enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have >>>>> the spectrum. >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep" <af...@abwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of >>>>>> next year >>>>>> >>>>>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Mitch >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up to double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: > > For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two 60MHz > channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual PTP820C/IP20C's at > each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex. Been a while since I > looked at all of the different supported configurations though, so I might be > remembering wrong. > >> On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote: >> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator >> >> Thanks >> >> Will start Monday >> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link >> Thanks for the input >> >> Mitch >> >>> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> Dragonwave as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig >>> >>> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, >>> you'll need to work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to >>> 2gb. But with enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming >>> you have the spectrum. >>> >>>> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep" <af...@abwisp.com> wrote: >>>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of >>>> next year >>>> >>>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Mitch >>>> >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
Do you have something that fits an old Dragonwave Airpair ? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Oct 5, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas. > > I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came > with the radio I have. > > But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios. Gino is asking > about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter. > > If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to > alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not > present. He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to > send him stuff that does not require any work on his part. > > Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all > radios? If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has > lost his? If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit > onto the adapter? >
[AFMUG] Friday for sale: new Ignitenet 60ghz ptp
eBay: 182795792840 Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?
Yeah that report has questionable legality and incomplete research. I know what I'm getting ready to do... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:35 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: > > > They are short UBNT. They could look up UBNT's new address but that doesn't > help their case so why would they. They shorted UBNT based on the theory > that it couldn't work unless it was run by a "real CEO" and management team, > I.e people from their club. They got hit hard in the recent run up in share > price and are throwing all the mud they can find at the wall in the hopes > that some of it might stick. This isn't a research report by a disinterested > third party. > >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yeah, there seems to be a lot of complete nonsense in there. They say that >> nobody is going to sit on a forum helping people setup home router, which >> may very well be true, but they seem to be assuming that the majority of >> what Ubiquiti sells is home routers... and I'm pretty sure home routers are >> actually a pretty tiny percentage of their sales. >> >> If you spend a few minutes on the UBNT forums, it's pretty clear that these >> "evangelists" really do exist, and there are quite a few of them. >> >> I could be way off, but as far as I can tell, the majority of UBNT's income >> is from unifi, airmax and airfiber... and that's a very different market >> from what the likes of Netgear is dealing with. >> >> It's entirely possible that there is some kind of fraud going on, and there >> are some points in there that are a bit worrying, but there's a lot of stuff >> in there that makes me think they didn't do anywhere near as much research >> into the company as they should have before writing something like that. >> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I was not convinced by the argument that they're "too successful". Some >>> Ubiquiti users actually are evangelists, in spite of Left thinking that's >>> not possible. They do have disruptive products in spite of what Mr Left >>> thinks. Left picked on outsourcing engineering to Latvia like that was >>> obviously stupidwhen Latvia does in fact make electronics. So he's >>> clearly not infallible. >>> >>> If the only reason for the empty office photos is that they moved, then >>> that's a huge oversight on Left's part. Seemed like a smoking gun, but I >>> assumed the person writing the report is smart enough to find Ubiquiti's >>> current address. Maybe I assumed wrong. >>> >>> The forum being full of bots and lurkers seemed bad at first pass, but in >>> hindsight I guess all forums are full of bots and lurkers. >>> >>> He also claimed that the amount U.S. distributors buy from UBNT is >>> incongruent with their claimed sales. It could still be right if it's like >>> 90% overseas. Is it? How do we know? >>> >>> Just askin. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 9/19/2017 7:21:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock? >>> >>>> I see few points I'm worried about. They moved into a different office in >>>> SJ, I know that much. That happened maybe a year ago? >>>> >>>> Taiwan thing is worrying. >>>> >>>> I believe the Chinese mob tried to cause problems for them awhile back. >>>> Few years ago. >>>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 6:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> I wouldn't be concerned about most of those. Which points are worth >>>>> addressing? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:01:14 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock? >>>>&g
Re: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?
50' difference and frequency of 99.5mhz I don't see how 100BT could possibly work Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 16, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > Depends on how close they are to your APs and how much power. > > You can Use fiber or run all cat5 in liquidtight (with the metal armor) all > the way to the radio. > > -Sean > > >> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 1:13 PM Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >> wrote: >> Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we >> are already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work >> with our 100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links. >> >> He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '? >> >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>
[AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?
Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we are already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work with our 100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links. He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] What's next?
Nice work and thanks for the rundown. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > We've been shipping rackinjectors for a couple of weeks now, and according to > staff, all of the rackinjector backlog has been shipped and we have 1-2 on > the shelf and even more to be added to the stock level shortly. Yay! > > Just wanted to update everyone on the status here for what is next. > > The only product I'm actively working on getting out the door is the "Medusa > Board" for the rackinjector which basically will do sync over power for the > 450m and 450i.I could go into details on where we are in that process, > but that's a topic for another day. > > I also have some feature additions that need to be made to the RackInjector. > The initial update will be timed to correspond to the release of the Medusa > board, unless someone finds a critical bug in the field and we have to roll a > bugfix release. > > I'm planning on spending some time (as much as is reasonably needed) > regrouping. I have quite a few things on my list that we've been putting off > doing just because of hours in the day. There's a few products which just > need a few hours or TLC before we can start shipping. There are some > manuals/documentation which need to be done. There's a few minor bug fixes > in some of the software (more shortcomings then bugs)... And we need to > figure out what is next product wise among the numerous product Ideas which > are floating around. > > So, now would be a great time to remind me about anything which fits into the > categories above that I might not remember either via email or at > wispapalooza in just under a month. > > -- > Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > >
Re: [AFMUG] North Korea, China, sanctions, and wireless radios...
Trump is just the 'signature', the military is the planner. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm starting to get worried if the US tries to punish China for North Korea > what does this mean for wireless radios that are made in China? Will we not > be able to import them anymore? We rely quite a bit on products made in China > for our everyday lives. I use alot of Ubiquiti products and if i can no > longer get those my WISP operations would be severely crippled...
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Name it the 'Stinger':-) Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 20, 2017, at 10:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I am thinking that if I put in some legs that would fit inside the culvert > and if the lid was about 6” wider than the culvert all the way round, both > the lip and the legs would be pretty strong if someone drove over it. > > I need some my self. Sounds like a worthy project to resurrect. Have to > look up the method for rating hand holes. Something about tire widths and > forces. I know with the polymer concrete you elevate the lid and drive a > truck of certain weight on it and it cannot break. Not sure where I found > that reference. I think it was some kind of DOT document. > > From: Chris Fabien > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:56 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > We would be interested in a 24" version. > >> On Aug 20, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> I did a 24” version too. But if you are splicing a couple of 288 strands the >> splice case is pretty large. >> >> From: Adam Moffett >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:49 PM >> To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >> 36" diameter? That's a big honkin handhole. What are you guys putting into >> these hand holes? >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 8/20/2017 5:56:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >>> I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. >>> But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate >>> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. >>> Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand >>> holes. >>> >>> From: George Skorup >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>> >>> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private >>> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical >>> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at >>> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and >>> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 >>> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates >>> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We >>> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. >>> >>>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just >>>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed >>>>> up the average quite a bit. >>>>> >>>>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >>>>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >>>>> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 >>>>> poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes >>>>> splice enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric >>>>> installation at the switch enclosure. >>>>> >>>>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then >>>>> we're very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a >>>>> bit. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>> >>>>>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >>>>>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much &g
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
As long as the lawn tractors don't punch through... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 20, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I presume that double walled ribbed plastic culvert is available nationwide. > I could just do the galvanized steel lids for them and you get the culvert > locally and cut off a slice. Not sure about making them traffic rated. If > the lid is larger than the culvert the load could be transferred to the > earth. If the middle of it was stiff enough it might be strong enough. I > think it has to take 26,000 lbs. > > From: Jon Langeler > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:09 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > >> On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. >> But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate >> designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. >> Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand >> holes. >> >> From: George Skorup >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >> >> We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private >> association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical >> contractor and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at >> least we can get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and >> 21 or 22 handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 >> PLCs in the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates >> are around $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We >> figure we can make a business case with a $1k install. >> >>> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just >>> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. >>> >>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up >>>> the average quite a bit. >>>> >>>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >>>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >>>> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 >>>> poles, so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice >>>> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation >>>> at the switch enclosure. >>>> >>>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're >>>> very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Original Message -- >>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>> >>>>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >>>>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much >>>>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me >>>>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. >>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>>>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer >>>>>> installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up >>>>>> to yours. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>>> >>>>>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money >>>>>>> have you ended up spending per mile? >>>>>>> How much per customer installation?
Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile
Sounds like a winner. Then have 1 or more lid options Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 20, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I was making handhole components a few years ago. Not a big money maker. > But handholes are simply too expensive. I came up with some alternate > designs, like a slice of 36” plastic conduit. Made a lid to go over it. > Maybe I ought to revisit that project. The world needs lower cost hand > holes. > > From: George Skorup > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile > > We're looking at doing a neighborhood where we have wireless now. Private > association of about 40 homes. The president is also an electrical contractor > and has helped us on other non-fiber stuff in the past. So at least we can > get duct at his cost. Looking like about 6250 feet of duct and 21 or 22 > handholes. Probably going to follow Chuck Hogg's strategy with 1x4 PLCs in > the splice cases fed by PLCs at the cabinet. My rough guestimates are around > $25-27k before putting it in the ground or customer drops. We figure we can > make a business case with a $1k install. > >> On 8/20/2017 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> It does include the fiber, but not electronics or splice closures. Just >> fiber, associated mounting hardware, and guy wires/anchors. >> >>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Drops were anywhere from 150' to 1600'. The long ones naturally pushed up >>> the average quite a bit. >>> >>> On the feed down the road it's $1.80/foot plus the cable. The contractor >>> is supplying all material except the cable itself and honestlyI don't >>> recall how much of that was labor vs material. We did have to add 4 poles, >>> so there's that in the $17,000/mile. And that also includes splice >>> enclosures, switches, optics, switch enclosure, and electric installation >>> at the switch enclosure. >>> >>> Does your $1/ft in materials include the actual fiber? If not, then we're >>> very close. If it does then I have to sharpen the pencil quite a bit. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>> To: "javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');" >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>> Sent: 8/19/2017 3:49:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>> >>>> How long are the drops? Labor for main runs cost me about $.75/ft last >>>> time I did it, plus around $1/ft in materials. I didn't have to do much >>>> make ready though, that can add up quickly. I think my drops cost me >>>> roughly $1/ft since I'm doing them myself now. >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, Adam Moffett >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>>>> I'm at $17,000 per mile on a recent active E deployment. Each customer >>>>> installation averaged $900. This is rural, so lots of long drops. >>>>> >>>>> I guess I'm looking over to the next stall to see how mine measures up to >>>>> yours. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Original Message -- >>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> Sent: 8/19/2017 9:55:20 AM >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Aerial fiber $/mile >>>>> >>>>>> So after the dust has settled on completed projects, what sort of money >>>>>> have you ended up spending per mile? >>>>>> How much per customer installation? >
Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question
You sound fine on the antenna portion. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 18, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > I had the Low radio on the Low end, so that was correct. > > But are you saying for sure this radio cannot select that low of a channel? > > Also, now that I'm thinking of it, do the 3' Andrews dishes need to be > High/Low? > I was pretty sure the 3' dishes typically covered the entire 11GHz band, > right? > > What do I do about the radios now? > > I'm thinking of comparing the radio I got back from Ceragon with my other > radio and seeing if somehow Ceragon did something or put a wrong part back on > it. > Since it refuses to mount back on the antenna it used to mount to now... > > Someone shoot me. > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:48 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question > > Yeah, that's not gonna work real well, or at all. Is this the link where you > had them backwards? Didn't you end up swapping them? Or did you open them up > and change the diplexers? > >> On 8/18/2017 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: >> Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not. >> >> But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz. >> >> The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at >> 10915-11207MHz. >> >> Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license? >> >> Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok >> because that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU >> transmit. >> >> Anyone know? >
Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
You can change the format in Google earth to match anything. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Yeah, but it is decimal coordinates. I discovered if you click a placemark > in GE then decimal coordinates will come up that can be cut and pasted into > UBNT. But after going through all that, I really didn’t see where it was > better than RM and actually RM is better than airlink in some respects. > > From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:12 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x > > Look under the selected radios on the right side. There are GPS coordinates > boxes right below height and EIRP that say "AP Location" and "Station > Location". > >> On Aug 17, 2017 8:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> Is there an easy way to drop a location from Google Earth or RM into airlink? >> >> From: Josh Reynolds >> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:00 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x >> >> airlink.ubnt.com >> >> Click on "AirFiber fx" line on the right side in the middle, then 11 GHz. >> Rest is self explanatory. >> >>> On Aug 15, 2017 1:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> Link does not work. >>> >>> From: Josh Reynolds >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:56 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x >>> >>> https://airline.ubnt.com is pretty damn good these days. Should help you >>> figure out what you need easily. >>> >>> It does require you to log in with your account. >>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2017 1:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> What is a common channel BW? 40 MHz? I suppose it depends on congestion. >>>> I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and >>>> perhaps narrower channels too. >>>> >>>> From: Jeremy >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x >>>> >>>> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which >>>> frequencies it is supposed to operate on. The above configuration is just >>>> an example. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> They are like that, but 3x bigger. On top, the lid comes off and the >>>>> duplexers go beneath the cover. If your link is 'High' then you will >>>>> want 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to >>>>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and >>>>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side. >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second >>>>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies >>>>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two >>>>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in. >>>>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO). >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for >>>>>>> duplexers? Not quite sure how to buy or license. I guess you have to >>>>>>> have two pairs of frequencies? Or at the very least, both >>>>>>> polarizations on the same frequency? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going >>>>>>> to cost.
Re: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs
How much is it? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > It still blows my mind that use of the SFP port requires a license. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:15:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs > > Got the SFP kit and entitlement. Created the license and applied it, but I > can't find anything in the config about the SFP port or any way to tell it to > use the SFP port. Am I just being stupid and missing something? > >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >> wrote: >> Thanks Mark, >> >> Was wondering about that gland, it looks a lot like the glands that come >> with Siklu radios which are too big. I've ordered the 450M kit and I'll see >> how it fits and test out BiDa. I'm planning on adding an Isolated DC-DC >> +48V bus at the site at least for now unless someone else wants to test them >> out for awhile on -48. Kind of a PITA though. Wish everyone would just >> support + and - 48DC on a DC terminal, at least on gear costing multiple Ks. >> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >>> Carl, >>> >>> I apologize, I was working on a 820C project earlier and for some reason I >>> misread this as a discussion of 820’s and not 450M. >>> >>> The glands I called out earlier are probably not going to fit in the 450m. >>> I don’t have a 450M I can try it in at the moment. We are supposed to be >>> getting 4 in tomorrow and I can try it and let you know if it fits. >>> >>> We have powered the 450m with both +48V and -48V DC supplies through a CMM5 >>> >>> And since we are talking about a 450m and not a 820c, I have not tried a >>> BiDi SFP yet. >>> >>> Sorry for the misinformation. To many voices in the head :-) >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On Aug 3, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> While I have your attention, I have two more 450M questions. >>> >>> 1) What are the supported POE pinouts? >>> >>> 2) Off chance, but it it ground agnostic, i.e isolated ground? >>> >>> It is nice to see an SFP port but I really would have LOVED to see and SFP >>> and -48VDC or +/-48VDC like most Siklu gear. >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> In this day and age… >>>> >>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett >>>> <af...@ics-il.net> >>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Date: Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM >>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs >>>> >>>> A license key to use the SFP port? Seriously? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> >>>> President >>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 10:20:32 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M SFPs >>>> >>>> Carl – >>>> >>>> >>>> 1) Not sure on this… I have asked engineering about support for BIDA >>>> module (not BIDI?), and will post an answer when I get one… >>>> >>>> 2) Yes, there is an “extended” gland that comes with the kit. The >>>> kit consists of three parts: the SFP module itself, the extended gland, >>>> and the entitlement key to apply the license to the radio. >&
Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x
I like using both polarities to maximize Rx sensitivity. Coordination is the same cost. Duplexers are also not that much more. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 15, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Max channel bandwidth is 56mhz, but you should easily be able to get 250Mbps > out of a 40mhz channel... I'm not sure there's much point in going in > narrower than that. Actually, doing SISO at a 56mhz channel might make more > sense, that should get around 275mbps at 256qam (and a bit more if the link > will do 1024qam, obviously), but then you'd only need a one polarity, so it > may save a bit on coordination, and you wouldn't need to buy the extra > duplexers. > >> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> What is a common channel BW? 40 MHz? I suppose it depends on congestion. >> I only need about 250 Mbps so lower order modulation may be desirable and >> perhaps narrower channels too. >> >> From: Jeremy >> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:54 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF-11x >> >> Of course, the exact configuration is based on your license and which >> frequencies it is supposed to operate on. The above configuration is just >> an example. >> >>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> They are like that, but 3x bigger. On top, the lid comes off and the >>> duplexers go beneath the cover. If your link is 'High' then you will want >>> 'High' duplexers for both sides of the link (x4 total - two extra to >>> purchase) - they will go in a configuration like 1-3-3-1 on one side and >>> 3-1-1-3 on the other side. >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> They come with 1 duplexer (setup for SISO) - you need to buy the second >>>> one separately to do MIMO. You do need to figure out what frequencies >>>> you're going to be using before you buy the radios, since there are two >>>> different duplexers, depending on which half of the band you're in. >>>> You need one frequency pair on both polarities (for MIMO). >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>> Do they all come with two N connectors or do you have to pay more for >>>>> duplexers? Not quite sure how to buy or license. I guess you have to >>>>> have two pairs of frequencies? Or at the very least, both polarizations >>>>> on the same frequency? >>>>> >>>>> Trying to collect some budgetary estimates on what my project is going to >>>>> cost. >
Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
What are you using for cases in the hand-hole in this instance? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: > > I just bought another batch a 100 1x4 PLC Blockless Bare PLC fiber > splitters... > > Here's the lowdown what that is. > > It's bare fiber, no 900um jacket and typically no ends. It's 250um. > Blockless means that you don't have the big PLC blocks that need to go in a > case. > > You can also get Blockless, and not bare, with ends on it. > > > Regards, > Chuck > >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> Unless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, I would go with >> splitters in the splice case. Saves a ton of money. But you have to be >> committed to PON. In our method, we can make any sub active with just >> opening the cabinet and moving a jumper. >> >> From: Mark Radabaugh >> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters >> >> Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels: >> >> Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow >> damage, easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be >> visited to turn up a customer. >> >> Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially reflection >> from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and several other >> have reported no issues). >> >> Mark >> >>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> >>> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them >>> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods. We insert a patch between >>> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time. >>> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too. >>> >>> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use. >>> >>> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters >>> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way. I would say we only >>> average about 20 users on a 1x32. We haven't seen any issues either. >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>> www.MyakkaTech.com >>> >>> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life >>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL >>> >>> Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html >>> -- >>> >>> Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines. I >>> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the >>> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the >>> return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that >>> direction. >>> >>> From: Mark Radabaugh >>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters >>> >>> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before. I can’t recall if the >>> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off >>> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating. For what it’s >>> worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray. we direct >>> spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution >>> cable. >>> >>> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of >>> drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect >>> those strands to customer houses or another termination panel. So far it >>> has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got >>> lucky. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>> When you strip it, it sure looks bare. All the color is gone. >>> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe. >>> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
Maybe price point for low density deployments and the ubiquiti interface. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:41 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it. > What are they doing different from any other fiber? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber > >> Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it? All at the beta >> store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an >> item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta >> store. Is it really this much of a jump in price?
Re: [AFMUG] DW shutsdown
+1 Its 2017 and a GUI is required these days. Time is $$$ Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 3, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > We just put some up and weren’t impressed. When you call tech support and > they make you feel like a second class tech because you don’t use command > line entries instead of the GUI, that’s pretty much the end of our > relationship with that company going forward. GUI’s are important to > reducing training and being able to have more techs handle basic support > which in turn reduces costs and improves support times. How that message > hasn’t gotten through to some companies is beyond me. > > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 9:38 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DW shutsdown > > Dragonwave was always higher priced but I could never figure out the > advantages. > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Aug 3, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Wow. I wonder how that happened? > > Used to be one of the forefront in that market. > > Just couldn’t keep pace with the industry? > > I bet that happens to Ceragon in the next year or two. > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 9:42 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] DW shutsdown > > http://www.rcrwireless.com/20170803/business/backhaul-firm-dragonwave-enters-receivership-tag17 > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >
Re: [AFMUG] DW shutsdown
Dragonwave was always higher priced but I could never figure out the advantages. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 3, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Wow. I wonder how that happened? > > Used to be one of the forefront in that market. > > Just couldn’t keep pace with the industry? > > I bet that happens to Ceragon in the next year or two. > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 9:42 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] DW shutsdown > > http://www.rcrwireless.com/20170803/business/backhaul-firm-dragonwave-enters-receivership-tag17 > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
I saw ZTE starting at $2k plus. How is that cheaper? Also is the management via CLI? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: > > I'm surprised you are bothering with UBNT when a platform like ZTE is > significantly more stable. Cheaper too. > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM Jason McKemie >> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> The Calix active stuff is $ though, especially when you do the CSFP >> modules. Something like the Ignitenet Fusionswitch fiber and Fiberstore >> bidi SFPs is much more reasonable. I can sacrifice 1RU per 24 customers for >> that kind of price difference. >> >>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:06 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> >>> wrote: >> >>> If I were you, I would take a serious look at GPON shelves like ZTE and >>> Calix. CSFP modules let you put two BiDi AE customers on a single slot. 24 >>> port line-card = 48 AE customers. Then I think you can do 8 or 16 port PON >>> cards, 1:32 split = 256 or 512 customers on a single 3U? 4U? chassis, + the >>> 48 AE customers. This is probably what we're going to end up doing with the >>> AE deployment we're managing now. The AE is extremely underutilized and it >>> should've been GPON from the get-go. >>> >>> If you're doing BiDi now and all the customers home-run to your cabinet, >>> put the GPON splitters at the cabinet. Cake walk. Same boat we're in. >>> Except some retrofit because they used a PAIR per customer. And Clearfield >>> built everything duplex LC. So one strand won't get used in the field. Big >>> whoop. Call the unused one a backup. I love it when nobody listens to me. >>> Coulda started BiDi and went right to GPON with minimal changes. >>> >>>> On 7/31/2017 3:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: >> >>>> Ok, so that is the share ratio then. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If I put on 18 customers on a port they would all share the 2.5 down by >>>> 1.25 up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Or if I use 8 instead 4 of the UBNT Fiber OLT I can get 9 customers on >>>> that ratio. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That would be 8 U plus 4 U space, which I think is probably my max amount >>>> of rack space in the cabinets I am using right now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is likely a lot less power than the 12U of 48 port switches I can use >>>> right now, but the share ratio is obviously much worse in the long run. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe I do a Hybrid and put 4 of the OLT, and still have 4x48 >>>> ports active… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Then in the future if I run into clients complaining about their 1Gbps >>>> rate plan not being fast enough on the share ratio of 1 to 18, I can move >>>> them back to 1 to 1 active. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:22 PM >>>> >> >>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> GPON is 2.5 downstream 1.25 upstream per port. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> >>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 3:19:36 PM >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON >>>> >>>> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port) 1U >>>> unit? >>>> >>>> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet for >>>> the OLT 1U unit. >>>&
Re: [AFMUG] FS: Cambium Gear 430 - 450
What you replacing 450 with? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 28, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: > > Used, working condition > > 5ghz 450 Aps - $999 each > 5.4 and 5.7 430 Aps & Sms – make offer > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >
Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
Pricing is same or lower than everyone else? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick > <stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote: > > CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands) > 1024QAM modulation. > > www.cablefree.net/hcr > > I hope that helps, > > Best regards > Stephen > > > > >> On 21 July 2017 at 21:04, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> What is the total throughput and price of these? >> >> From: Gino A. Villarini >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? >> >> SIAE Also Plus 2 >> Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820 >> >> Anything im missing? >> >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> >> President >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> >
[AFMUG] Network MTU?
What's everyone setting there networks at? The internet is at 1500 byte, so if using vlans and such we want to be at say 1528 or more on all our equipment. Does this sound correct? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
Yep. Any examples? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 17, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anything 48v that doesn't have a negative ground. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 7/17/2017 10:17:31 AM > Subject: [AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply? > >> Any suggestions? >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >
[AFMUG] Alternate Trango Apex Plus power supply?
Any suggestions? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Drop Plow
Trencher on one end. Vibratory plow on the other? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 13, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: > > First run with the new (to me) drop plow. >
Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct.
What supplier? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > > You can get purpose designed trace wire that is copper clad high tensile > strength steel wire with a heavy polyethylene jacket. For 14ga we pay about 6 > cents a foot on 2500ft spools. > >> On Jul 8, 2017 4:25 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> wrote: >> Yeah, I didn't purchase it directly, got it through a contractor. >> >>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> I have never used it. I’ll bet it is spendy. >>> >>> From: Jason McKemie >>> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 12:03 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trace wire for fiber going in duct. >>> >>> It doesn't help if the conduit is already in place, but they make conduit >>> with integrated trace wire. >>> >>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2017, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>> Newbie questions… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We are doing conduit for a business park (14 buildings) and to the RR >>>> tracks for a path to Miami. Conduit is almost finished and as an >>>> afterthought I was thinking of placing some kind of locate wire in the >>>> pipe, so we can “register it” with One -Call service (in Florida) and make >>>> I easier for future people to locate my stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Did I mention it was a newbie question right? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What do I put in? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul McCall, President >>>> >>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. >>>> >>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway >>>> >>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962 >>>> >>>> 772-564-6800 >>>> >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net'); >>>> >>>> www.pdmnet.com >>>> >>>> www.floridabroadband.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
I'm curious why? How does bolt compare to model 3?
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> We are on our second. The Bolt however, is a game changer.
>
> Rory
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 2:39 PM
> To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>
> I am on my third electric car.
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 3:08 PM
> To: Motorola III
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>
> And that depends on how long it takes for them to ramp up production (first
> part), and then if orders still keep coming in. All the other manufacturers
> are having trouble even selling electric cars (with the possible exception of
> the Chevy Bolt). So far the US of A has not been very friendly toward
> electric cars.
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm not sure that things like profits really matter that much to
> Tesla's stock price.
>
> Seems to me like there's some easy money to be made here... the question is
> just how low it's going to drop before it starts going back up.
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Model 3 is launching. Long haul truck project is coming alive. And
> irrespective of what the anal-ysts say, the success of SpaceX does give Tesla
> a bit of reflected glory.
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:28 PM
> To: Motorola III
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>
> Well. Do they even have a PE ratio? A lot of speculation until they have a
> consistent track record of profits.
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Analysts at UBS say $160/share. Hard to imagine it dropping that low though.
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
> Don’t catch a falling knife. Wait for the daily graph to show strength.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:13 PM
> To: Motorola III
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>
> Skuttlebutt is that it's a risky buy right now.
>
> May not feel the love until the September-November time frame.
>
> -bp
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> You can't fall uptower of power.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 6, 2017 1:09 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Buy at zero.
>
> As Puba The Tuba once said; "When you're on the bottom, you can't fall down."
>
> -bp
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
> wrote:
> At the bottom...
>
>
> On 07/06/2017 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Dropping like a rock. When to buy...?
>
>
>
> --
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
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> --
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> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
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Re: [AFMUG] ot TSLA
Thanks for sharing as usual... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > May be an opportunity coming again. Lots of folks shorted the stock. If it > hits $300 I will buy again.
Re: [AFMUG] 450AP POE polarity
Anything but standard canopy just won't work. Only 450i changed things Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: > > Can an original 450AP (from when they were still trying to get FSK interop > working) only run with Standard Cambium POE pin-outs, or can they take > reversed POE polarity as well? The Spec sheet doesn't say polarity, just > voltage range, and it seems like a potentially expensive test. > >
Re: [AFMUG] Netonix rebooting over and over
1.5amp on VH ports I believe. Maybe your power supply or power cord isn't supplying enough amps to the switch. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:42 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: > > The Baicells 1-watt eNB @ 3.5/3.6GHz is about 65 watts. I haven't actually > measured this, but I can next week when I'm at one of those sites. So.. 4 of > those would be 260 watts. > > And I thought the Netonix 48VH POE mode is limited to 0.75A per port...? > Those eNBs are going to pull well over 1A per port. > >> On 6/29/2017 9:48 PM, Craig House wrote: >> We install the DC powered Netonix 12 port switch today on the water tower >> power off of 48 V power supply. The only device is powered off of the >> switch are Baicells sectors all four of them are power off of 48 V ports 123 >> and 4. When we first installed them all of them powered up individually on >> the CAT5 cables one at a time. We are using a 48 V POE splitter that works >> fine at several of our other locations. At one point we rebooted the DC >> powered switch and noticed that over and over and over it would power on the >> ports in a soon as the radios would start power up the entire switch with >> power cycle again. This happened about eight times before I unplugged all >> four of the CAT5 cables from ports one through four. Wants the switch had >> completely powered up I plug-in one cable at a time and all of them powered >> up properly with gigabit ethernet links. What I'm curious is. Number one >> why would the switch power cycle over and over unless the initial build up >> of the LTE base stations is substantially more than the power draw to run it >> on average normally? And if that's the case is there a way that the switch >> can be configured so that the ports don't power on all at the same time and >> I can set up a power on delay for each port so that they each power on 5 to >> 10 seconds after each other. ?? Has anyone else experienced this and what >> was your solution I can switch back to an AC powered unit to see if that >> resolves the problem but it seems that there shouldn't be that much of a >> voltage draw to affect the DC power unit. Now that all four radios have >> been running for several hours straight it's only showing 100 what's of the >> draw on a device that should be able to handle 250 >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >
Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?
I agree. I went through Cambium support about it and they treated me like 'hmmm, that should work fine'. But it doesn't Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 15, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even with > 1 AP and 1 PTP link) > > Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for both > PTP and PMP in the original post. > > > >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP >> and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than >> some of the PMP links. >> >>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >>> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system. So hopefully you can >>> set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link. Otherwise your only left with >>> downlink % and control slots to make the timing match. >>> >>> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on >>> the PMP system) to get them to sync. >>> >>> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy for >>> a cpl min. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>>> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for >>>> everything. Wouldn't be that crazy. >>>> >>>> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and >>>> lower latency. >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band. >>>>> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems >>>>> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit. >>>>> >>>>> 2 cents >>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup >>>>>> <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on >>>>>> the board. Timing port only. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>>>>> Nope, that's all you need. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if >>>>>>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything >>>>>>> else. >>>>>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the >>>>>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so >>>>>>> just about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use >>>>>>> something from PacketFlux, personally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists >>>>>>> <jeffl...@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> For a PTP link? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeff Broadwick >>>>>>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>>> 312-205-2519 Office >>>>>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell >>>>>>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray >>>>>>>> <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than >>>>>>>>> 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a >>>>>>>>> separate device? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you - Chris
Re: [AFMUG] 1Gb 12 miles
You might regret that too. 2 extra hops is a reliability weak point. Try to add an extra customer to the remote end and they can pay for the link over 10 years... Siae or cambium 820 Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > wrote: > > I was just wondering. If such a radio existed, and I'm sure it does. I think > I've decided to just use 3 AF24HD links in a daisy chain. I was just hoping > to not have to find way points. Thanks everyone for the input. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net> >> wrote: >> >> This is not a good idea unless you live somewhere it never rains. >> >>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> if you can find another hop in the middle of the link do two AF24HD links >>> at 6 miles each >>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> Link aGgregate 2 AF11x links, both have to have epic and 80 mhz channels >>>> >>>> On 6/9/17, 9:51 PM, "Af on behalf of Brett A Mansfield" >>>> >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> >>>> President >>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>> >>>> >>>> <af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >I think it might be. >>>> > >>>> >Thank you, >>>> >Brett A Mansfield >>>> > >>>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 7:32 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>> >>>> >>wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Is this a case of you can have fast, cheap and reliable but you can >>>> >>only pick 2? >>>> >> >>>> >> Brett A Mansfield wrote: >>>> >>> I have no specific preference. But I need it soon, I need 2Gb >>>> >>>aggregate, and I need it cheap (which is relative). I know I may have >>>> >>>to give one of those up, but I'm trying not to have to. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thank you, >>>> >>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com >>>> >>>><mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 11 / 15 / 18ghz depending on your uptime, rain zone, dish size >>>> >>>>requirements or limitations. Two single polarity radios or one XPIC... >>>> >>>>Any preferred licensed manifacturer? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2017 6:27 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" >>>> >>>><li...@silverlakeinternet.com <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>> >>>> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>What would be the best (and cheapest) way of transmitting a gig >>>> >>>>(2Gb aggregate) 12 miles? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Thank you, >>>> >>>>Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>><http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link >>>> >>>_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>Virus-free. www.avg.com >>>> >>><http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link >>>> >>>_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Adair Winter >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >> C: 806.231.7180 >> http://www.amarillowireless.net >> >> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
The GPS method makes more sense if your in a 'uniquie' area where there's no traditional links on the same tower Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On May 26, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: > > >>>>the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions, > >>>>certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around > >>>>your own stuff, > > Would be in-correct, due to the fact that B11's will GPS Sync and allow for > Freq Reuse with other B11's. > > I also beg to differ about 'being efficient' in terms of License Freq > Usage I prescribe to the other theory of ... Get the biggest fattest > channel you can use before someone else does you can always change out > the radio for something more efficient later. > > > This by no means is a commentary on what others feel on this topic, but more > of a point that some operators think one way and others feel differently. I > guess our thinking is shaped by the environment we are operating in. > > :) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:54:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences > Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With Mimosas, > the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions, > certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around > your own stuff, and that's not really going to be particularly useful as far > as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're > operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio with a (technically two > channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and a receive channel, so > going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a direct drop in... it's > really not the worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a link > that's probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in a few > years from that point of view. > >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >> wrote: >> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units do no operate >> the same way >> >> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences >> >> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef >> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa. >> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts >> of scarce spectrum in both H channels. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> >> President >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> >> >> >> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site. >> >> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11 >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences >> >> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that? I just return a plain 'You >> are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link. >> >> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229 >> >> Page 60 >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences >> >> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" chann
Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote: > > We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network. > > Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service. Is it worth a look? How is > it performing for you? Any issues? > > Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing > companied like; > > Exalt ? > Dragonwave ? > SAIE ? > > Or newer ones like > > Alcoma > Cablefree FOR3 > > Anyone tried the last two? > > Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.
[AFMUG] 5' outdoor cat5 jumpers
And good cheap places to buy them? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT "LTE" or "LTE-U" product
I feel like ubiquiti is stretched thin right now in human resources. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On May 21, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > It was going to be a while... a year? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:44:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT "LTE" or "LTE-U" product > > yep, that was it. any new news on it? timeframe? > From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett [af...@ics-il.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:40 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT "LTE" or "LTE-U" product > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjMb3DR3qYQ > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:37:13 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT "LTE" or "LTE-U" product > > I remember hearing feedback from WISP-America about a new product coming from > UBNT? I think called it LTxx something? > Almost seemed like PTMP Airfiber. > > Anything more on that? product details? release dates? > > Paul > >
[AFMUG] Fiber blowing y adapter
Anyone have one for sale or loan? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
It looks balanced to me :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: > > Better than some I've seen, although water is coming straight down that cable > into the bucket. Also, is the bucket screwed down or otherwise weighted? That > thing is going to blow all over the place in high winds. Otherwise, a white > bucket is not the worst outdoor enclosure ever. Probably cooler than a lot of > steel cabinets, but a temp solution at best. > > >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> You looked in the bucket, right? Need photos. Sometimes people forget to >> put the lid back on too... (I would think it but never do it like most of >> us. ) That bucket is gonna get full of water one way or the other if it >> does not have a drain hole. >> >> From: Sean Heskett >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:42 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] New competition in town >> >> Seems legit to me... >> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town
Ha! The bucket serves as the climate controlled data center I assume. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 27, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > > Seems legit to me... > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
I was mostly referring to the previous case that was basically problem free vs the new and more expensive case. I like the new standard SM cases though. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 20, 2017, at 8:54 PM, David Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > > I dont want cheap.. I want security,reliability mil spec design so I can > sleep at night. > Keeps others in my area from popping up with some cheap "WifI' stuff put > lightly and raising the noise floor and baffling with BS. > > I should DUCK! > > > >> On 4/20/2017 3:03 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: >> I'm not sure why cambium moves to a more expensive design when everyone >> wants it to be cheaper. >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >> On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: >> >>> I have 2 in route to them for inspection.. >>> >>> >>>> On 04/19/2017 07:11 PM, George Skorup wrote: >>>> I would be surprised if Cambium won't make an out of warranty exception >>>> for an obvious defect like that. Looks like some bad casting/machining or >>>> assembly. I would ask support to escalate your case. >>>> >>>>> On 4/19/2017 6:33 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote: >>>>> We had one of many 450i up on a tower for a little over a year and >>>>> one day it was just offline without any warning. We are located in >>>>> Northwestern Oregon so we get plenty of rain. Upon investigation the >>>>> metal case of the radio was not sealed all the way and water slowly >>>>> seeped in. The unit was full to the top with water. By this time Cambium >>>>> stated that it was out of warranty and we were burnt. I don't know how >>>>> many of these units we have in the air are affected. This one is the only >>>>> one that has died in such a fashion so far. Prior to this I wasn't really >>>>> inspecting these for this issue and would have thought nothing of it. The >>>>> seal must be farther inside, right? >>>>> >>>>> Today I was unpacking one new in box and noticed the very same issue, >>>>> since now I look for this. We only use the connectorized version so I >>>>> don't know if this issue is contained or more widespread. Just wanted to >>>>> throw out a heads up to everyone to keep an eye out for this since I got >>>>> exactly nowhere with Cambium. >>>>> >>>>> I am not trying to pick on Cambium, just bring a recurring issue to >>>>> light. >>>>> >>>>> This is a pic of the fried one that was in service for a year: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is a pic of the brand new one I took out of the box today next to >>>>> one that looks fine: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matt Hopkins >>>>> Network Administrator >>>>> 503.687.1030 >>>>> supp...@onlinenw.com >>>>> onlinenw.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> > > -- >
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
I'm not sure why cambium moves to a more expensive design when everyone wants it to be cheaper. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 20, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > > I have 2 in route to them for inspection.. > > >> On 04/19/2017 07:11 PM, George Skorup wrote: >> I would be surprised if Cambium won't make an out of warranty exception for >> an obvious defect like that. Looks like some bad casting/machining or >> assembly. I would ask support to escalate your case. >> >>> On 4/19/2017 6:33 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote: >>> We had one of many 450i up on a tower for a little over a year and one >>> day it was just offline without any warning. We are located in Northwestern >>> Oregon so we get plenty of rain. Upon investigation the metal case of the >>> radio was not sealed all the way and water slowly seeped in. The unit was >>> full to the top with water. By this time Cambium stated that it was out of >>> warranty and we were burnt. I don't know how many of these units we have in >>> the air are affected. This one is the only one that has died in such a >>> fashion so far. Prior to this I wasn't really inspecting these for this >>> issue and would have thought nothing of it. The seal must be farther >>> inside, right? >>> >>> Today I was unpacking one new in box and noticed the very same issue, >>> since now I look for this. We only use the connectorized version so I don't >>> know if this issue is contained or more widespread. Just wanted to throw >>> out a heads up to everyone to keep an eye out for this since I got exactly >>> nowhere with Cambium. >>> >>> I am not trying to pick on Cambium, just bring a recurring issue to >>> light. >>> >>> This is a pic of the fried one that was in service for a year: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a pic of the brand new one I took out of the box today next to one >>> that looks fine: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Matt Hopkins >>> Network Administrator >>> 503.687.1030 >>> supp...@onlinenw.com >>> onlinenw.com >> >> > > -- >
Re: [AFMUG] Addition to new site.
Throwing those pictures on your website alone would be great Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 18, 2017, at 3:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > Partially our fault... We really should have better docs available. There's > a lot of reasons why we don't, but suffice it to say that it is not because > of lack of desire. > >> On Apr 18, 2017 9:08 AM, "Sam Lambie" <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks for the heads up on the pin out. I feel pretty dumb now >> >>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>> There's a drawing in the 450i or 450m documentation which shows how to >>> cable a 6p6c device to the 8p8c port. Snip shown below: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Ok Thanks. The Syncbox is new as of a month ago. >>>> Cabling from to Medusa is RJ-12 using pins 1 and 6 for sync. I have a >>>> feeling that I need to use a different termination >>>> What is the proper termination type and cabling pinout? Your site is >>>> lacking on documentation. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Sam >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>>>> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>>> This is definitely in the weird category. >>>>> >>>>> Can you verify how old this syncbox 12 is? I'm guessing that it is new >>>>> from us in February. >>>>> >>>>> Can you also let me know how you cabled the syncbox to the medusa? >>>>> >>>>> The two weird items here are: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Why is it not picking up sync from the timing port? (Cabling issue? >>>>> There's a special cable from the syncbox to the aux port since the aux >>>>> port is a 8p8c with a different pinout) >>>>> >>>>> 2) Why does it think it's picking up sync from the power port? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Well, That didn't work... I turned off Sync to the radio via the Site >>>>>> Monitor on Friday and the Radio still flopped all weekend. It still >>>>>> thinks it is getting sync from the power port and never has indicated >>>>>> that it is getting sync from the timing port. Are there any settings on >>>>>> the radio that I am missing? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>>>>>> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Yes, that was correct, and yes, as long as it's a recent syncbox it >>>>>>> should work fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -forrest >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I just did that and will monitor it over the weekend. Thanks for the >>>>>>>> tip. Lastly, The Sync coming out of the Sync Box into the timing port >>>>>>>> of the Medusa should work right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Changing the value function on the Radio 4 Sync from 1 to 0 will do >>>>>>>>> the trick? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) >>>>>>>>>> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> This error means you have sync over power pulses coming in from the >>>>>>>>>> syncinjector. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The radio is seeing the old-style pulses and is trying to lock onto >>>>>>>>>> them, which won't work reliably - since the pulses aren't even close >>>>>>>>>> to what it's expecting. >>>>>>&
[AFMUG] PMP450 vs 450i 3GHz?
Any significant advantages? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
[AFMUG] Macrobend cable
Is anyone buying corning clearcurve or cable you can bend more? Or just using the more common fiber? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber replacing cable co
Agreed. Except I think your talking about wireless Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > We have Comcast in our area. We don't really try to compete with them. As > far as price, our monthly cost is half of theirs. However, their cost per > Mbps is much much less. Most customers in our area get between 25-100Mbps. > We still get a lot of people switching because they don't need that much > speed, don't want to pay that much per month, and are tired of the constant > price increases and customer service issues. We always make Comcast > customers go online and check their last few months of data usage, since they > are virtually unlimited and we are not. We don't even attempt to take > Comcast business customers. They give them 100Mbps for roughly the same that > we charge for 10Mbps. > >> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> >> wrote: >> Yes, we did a neighborhood about two years ago that was Comcast. >> >> The surprising thing to me was the higher number of people just 'switching' >> their Comcast $80+ bill to our $70 GigE rate plan. >> No questions asked, they still saw it as a flat rate reduction and applied >> for that rate instead of our 100Mbps $50 plan. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler >> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:55 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber replacing cable co >> >> Is anyone competing against Charter or Comcast? What's the pricing/speed >> model? >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >
[AFMUG] Fiber replacing cable co
Is anyone competing against Charter or Comcast? What's the pricing/speed model? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless
One advantage of fiber is also less electronics in the mix. 60ghz might be a good option to get the neighborhood hooked up quickly however. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Apr 4, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Where are we with this concept as a WISP industry? > > Let's say I have $200k to invest and already have mainline fiber in or near > to the neighborhoods. > > What equipment do I buy to get the best speeds to residential and small > business customers? > > Is there equipment in the 60GHz or similar bands that are for sale/ready for > use? > > Is the topology still to connect a house or two in the area with fiber and > LOS to everyone else and deploy PtMP? > > Thoughts?
Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having issues with google dns?
On the flip side. It's tough to beat the reliability of a DNS server managed by a mega billion $$$ company with specialized IT guys babysitting everything. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 30, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote: > > Why you should have your own DNS servers :) > > > Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE > > For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net > Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com > Office: 314-735-0270 > E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:19 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] anybody else having issues with google dns? > > Is anybody else having issues with google dns? because when I ping 8.8.8.8 I > get timedout or takes forever to load google.com > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Haiti
A rule of thumb might be that 'if they aren't on this list then they basically don't exist' Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Anyone know of anyone doing anything in Haiti? I need to do a “state of > current competition” study.
Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
But for the price among other nice things, who cares. Throw two uplinks to it and do the fancy stuff on a core switch/router if desired. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 28, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > For clarification: > > Currently no: ERP, ERPS, Trill, SPB, FabricPath, ITU G8032, ITU G8032v2, > MC-LAG, etc > > I probably missed some Netgear variant or someshit... > > On Mar 28, 2017 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Again: NO > > On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: >> No? >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching >> >> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Reynolds >> <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON >> >> Nope... >> >> >> >> Gino Villarini >> >> President >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> >>> On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: >>> Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it >>> >>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Reynolds >>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON >>> >>> No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gino Villarini >>> >>> President >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings. >>>> >>>> From: Gino Villarini >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of PE R <hillrunner...@yahoo.com> >>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM >>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or >>>> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gino Villarini >>>> >>>> President >>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a >>>> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that. >>>> >>>> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit >>>> inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your >>>> non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P >>>> >>>> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, >>>> and a lot lower battery requirements. >>>> >>>> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, >>>> to be fair. >>>> >>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> Yes and no. Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you >>>> locate the splitters or switches. >>>> >>>> On AE you battery back the switch. >>>> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM. >>>> >>>> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs. >>>> -or- >>>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Management interface. Beta units show up this week. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > WellI have to build with what's available today. If I delay to wait for > the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. > > Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that other > vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's less > important to me than having it just work. > > -Adam > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > >> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are coded, >>> yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he said >>> in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across vendors >>> so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at all is going >>> to be a matter of chance. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: fiber...@mail.com >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>> >>>> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. >>>> >>>> Jared >
Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are coded, yes. > As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he said in > essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across vendors so > whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at all is going to be > a matter of chance. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: fiber...@mail.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > >> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. >> >> Jared >
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
That sounds nice of you :-)
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 11:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I am going to fix this little problem...
>
> Netonix will fix your port for something like $25
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 8:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>
> Yeah. We accidentally hooked up an AF24 through a Cambium surge suppressor,
> and it fragged the port on the Netonix. We were swapping from something else
> that had been on the cable, and completely forgot that it was going through
> that surge suppressor. Hard lesson learned.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>> On 3/24/2017 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> OK, had an exchange with Netonix today. It is just as Matt Hoppes said.
>> You short out their POE and it will blow the Ethernet transformer.
>>
>> I really presumed they had circuitry like Forrest that could detect and shut
>> down in an over current situation. They do have poly fuses which are slow
>> to react and may protect it from a very brief short, but longershorts
>> will indeed harm the port feeding the transformer.
>>
>> So, Netonix is not active POE. I would say that on passive POE a plain
>> surge suppressor should not be used. I am working some “non plain” surge
>> suppressors now ;-) Stay tuned to this bat channel and a big thanks to
>> Matt for forcing me to learn something new. It was painful, but I can do
>> painful things when I have to.
>>
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 10:01 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>>
>> tnx
>>
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:47 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>>
>> chris.sisler
>> ( A )
>> netlinx.net
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> Anyone know the email for the guy that runs Netonix?
>
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
Go look at the prices they charge for these. They are very reasonable. We've had hit and miss luck with Toughswitches. I'm thankful we have a 'real' switch to use now... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com> wrote: > > I would agree so why do we pay to fix or to add > > additional equipment to modify? > > I guess I will hold off from anymore Netonix. > > > Mitch > >> On 03/25/2017 09:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> I would say yes. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Mitch Koep" <af...@abwisp.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:23:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix >> >> Is this a design error that Netonix needs to correct? >> >> >> > What is the lesser of two problems. Leaving a lot of expensive stuff >> > unprotected or risk replacing a Netonix switch? >> > >> > Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> I would not put any surge protection on Netonix period, top or >> >> bottom. If it is POE and powered by a passive source you run a risk >> >> of smoking it with any surge suppressor. >> >> I have two devices designed, one is an ancillary fuse to put inline >> >> with Netonix. The second is adding fusing to my surge protectors if >> >> I can fit it in. The external in line fuse product is ready for >> >> prototyping. >> >> *From:* David Coudron >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:35 AM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix >> >> >> >> We are also very interested in this topic. We will be building out >> >> 10 new towers in the next few months, and will be making the change >> >> to Netonix switches (we had previously used a different type of >> >> switch). I the past we had put Transtector surge protectors on the >> >> tower top and in the cabinet on the ground. From what you are saying >> >> in thread, we should not plan on surge protectors in the cabinet, but >> >> what is the recommended change for the tower top, if any? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> *David Coudron* >> >> >> >> david.coud...@advantenon.com|*Mobile: *612-991-7474 >> >> >> >> *Advantenon, Inc. >> >> *cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0<http://www.linkedin.com/company/Advantenon>cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0<http://www.twitter.com/Advantenon>cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0<http://www.facebook.com/Advantenon>cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0<http://blog.advantenon.com/> >> >> >> >> i...@advantenon.com|3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN >> >> 55447|www.advantenon.com<http://www.advantenon.com/>|*Phone:*800-704-4720|*Local: >> >> >> >> *612-454-1545 >> >> >> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:29 AM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix >> >> >> >> If an impulse comes along and the surge suppressor clamps to ground, >> >> you run the risk of smoking the Netonix POE transformer. It will not >> >> protect itself against shorts. >> >> >> >> *From:*Josh Baird >> >> >> >> *Sent:*Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:23 AM >> >> >> >> *To:*af@afmug.com >> >> >> >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix >> >> >> >> What exactly is the reason? We always run through your surge >> >> protectors before connecting to Netonix. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Bypass ALL surge suppressors that are connected to Netonix, >> >> irrespective of manufacturer. >> >> >> >> *From:*can...@believewireless.net >> >> >> >> *Sent:*Saturday, March 25, 2017 5:41 AM >> >> >> >> *To:*af@afmug.com >> >> >> >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix >> >> >> >> So we should now bypass all our APC-type surge suppressors that
Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync
Sounds like the perfect path!
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> The currently shipping recommendation if you want to use all packetflux gear:
>
> PowerInjector Plus Sync, in combination with a Syncbox Junior Aux Port (seems
> like you've already figured it out).
>
> This also applies to the cards for the almost shipping rackinjector.
>
> In a couple months there will also be the option of a card for the
> rackinjector which does the new style sync for the 450m. Once this ships, we
> will likely look at how to do this in a form factor which is better suited
> for the smaller enclosures.
>
> -forrest
>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:18 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>> Yea only one. 450M spec sheet says 80 Watts!!! Hence this 100 watt POE.
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to see if any of the Packetflux power injectors will support 2 amps
>> per channel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:11 PM
>>
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync
>>
>>
>> That would certainly power ONE 450M. Probably not a lot more.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 3/23/2017 12:08 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>> OK SyncBox Junior works for me.
>>
>> �
>>
>> Would this power supply be OK?
>>
>> �
>>
>> http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g
>>
>> �
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> �
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync
>>
>> �
>>
>> The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that is.
>> AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, I don't
>> remember.
>>
>> That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and receiving
>> traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with
>> that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a
>> 70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support
>> Cambium Sync.
>>
>> Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS.
>> Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power the
>> radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A
>> PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. Or
>> hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 4-pair
>> powering + GigE and you should be fine.
>>
>> On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>> What POE�s and Sync are people using with 450M?
>>
>> �
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
>
