evidence for fast AI?
I think that there are two basic directions to better the Novamente
architecture:
the one Mark talks about
more integration of MOSES with PLN and RL theory
On 11/13/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Response to Mark Waser Mon 11/12/2007 2:42 PM post.
MARK
Response to Mark Waser Mon 11/12/2007 2:42 PM post.
MARK Remember that the brain is *massively* parallel. Novamente and
any other linear (or minorly-parallel) system is *not* going to work in
the same fashion as the brain. Novamente can be parallelized to some
degree but *not* to anywhere
doesn't have the same basis of knowledge to form detailed comments on NM,
that Mark does.
-- Ben
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I'm sorry. I guess I did misunderstand you.
If you have time I wish you could state the reasons why you find it
lacking
Ben said -- the possibility of dramatic, rapid, shocking success in
robotics is LOWER
than in cognition
That's why I tell people the value of manual labor will not be impacted as
soon by the AGI revolution as the value of mind labor.
Ed Porter
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-- will warp the
very fabric of human economy and society in somewhat the same way the
singularity of a black hole warps the fabric of space-time.
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http://www.itrs.net/reports.html
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The brain is the existence proof that shows us the path
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On 11/10/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED
weak as some things (like deep dish math) and Ben is considerably
ahead of, and more knowledgable than, me.
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a
compelling financial pitch.
John
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Robin,
I am an evangelist for the fact that the time for powerful AI could be
here very rapidly if there were reasonable funding for the right people.
There is a small, but increasing number of people
] What best evidence for fast AI?
On 11/10/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ben Goertzel and his Novamente is best architect/architecture I know
of. I had independently come with a similar approach myself (I could
have written 80-85% of that summary of Novamente's architecture
Thank you for your reply. I want to take some time and compare this with
the reply I got from Shane Legg and get back to you when I have more time
to think about it.
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valuable is Solmononoff Induction for real world
AGI?
On 11/8/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ED Most importantly you say my alleged confusion between
subjective and objective maps into my difficulty to grasp the
significance of Solomonoff induction. If you could do so
SOLOMONOFF MACHINES UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL
This is in response to Shane Leggs post of Fri 11/9/2007 9:40 AM and
Lukasz Stafiniaks posts of Fri 11/9/2007 7:13 AM and Fri 11/9/2007 12:09
PM.
==Preface
Here are a list of questions I have from reading these very helpful posts.
VLADIMIR NESOV IN HIS 11/07/07 10:54 PM POST SAID
VLADIMIR Hutter shows that prior can be selected rather arbitrarily
without giving up too much
ED Yes. I was wondering why the Solomonoff Induction paper made such
a big stink about picking the prior (and then came up which a choice that
Jef,
The paper cited below is more relevant to Kolmogorov complexity than
Solomonoff induction. I had thought about the use of subroutines before I
wrote my questioning critique of Solomonoff Induction.
Nothing in it seems to deal with the fact that the descriptive length of
realitys
Derek,
Thank you.
I think the list should be a place where people can debate and criticize
ideas, but I think such poorly reasoned and insulting flames like Jefs are
not helpful, particularly if they are driving potentially valuable
contributors like you off the list.
Luckily such flames
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AGI?
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Jef,
The paper cited below is more relevant
, and they are commonly
used throughout AI. For instance in evolutionary program learning one
uses a parsimony pressure which automatically rates smaller program
trees as more fit...
ben
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BEN However, the current form of AIXI-related math
direct look up.
Even Kolmogorov and Solomonoff at least accord it the honor of multiple
program, and ones that can be quite complex at that, complex enough to
even do interpretation.
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Subject: Re: [agi] How valuable is Solmononoff Induction for real world
AGI?
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VLADIMIR NESOV IN HIS 11/07/07 10:54 PM POST SAID
VLADIMIR Hutter shows that prior can be selected rather
VLADIMIR arbitrarily
without giving up too much
BTW
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It is much easier to think how superhuman intelligences will outshine us
in the performance
Jiri,
Thanks for your reply. I think we have both stated our positions fairly
well. It doesn't seem either side is moving toward the other. So I think
we should respect the fact we have very different opinions and values, and
leave it at that.
Ed Porter
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From: Jiri
Richard in your November 02, 2007 11:15 AM post you stated:
If AI systems are built with motivation systems that are stable, then we
could predict that they will remain synchronized with the goals of the
human race until the end of history.
and
I can think of many, many types of non-goal-stack
I have skimmed many of the postings in this thread, and (although I have
not seen anyone say so) to a certain extent Jiri's positiion seems
somewhat similar to that in certain Eastern meditative traditions or
perhaps in certain Christian or other mystical Blind Faiths.
I am not a particularly
Can humans keep superintelligences under control -- can
superintelligence-augmented humans compete
Richard Loosemore (RL) wrote the following on Fri 11/2/2007 11:15 AM,
in response to a post by Matt Mahoney.
My comments are preceded by ED
RL This is the worst possible summary of the situation,
Jiri Jelinek wrote on Thu 11/01/07 2:51 AM
JIRI Ok, here is how I see it: If we survive, I believe we will
eventually get plugged into some sort of pleasure machine and we will not
care about intelligence at all. Intelligence is a useless tool when there
are no problems and no goals to think
of cognitive phenomena
including aspects of children's language acquisition, concept formation,
and attention.
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Please forgive the ignorance, but what is a blog / blog planet,
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Thanks, Richard
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Richard,
Let's just bury the hatchet. I am too busy right now to spend any more
time on this.
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is a message I sent in defense of your paper.
If you have comments to either me or the list I would be interested in
hearing them.
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, October 22, 2007 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Bogus Neuroscience [WAS Re: [agi] Human memory and number of
synapses]
Edward W. Porter wrote:
Dear Readers of the RE: Bogus Neuroscience Thread,
Because I am the one responsible for bringing to the attention of this
list
Ben,
Good Post
I my mind the ability to map each of N things into a model of a space is a
very valuable thing. It lets us represent all of the N^2 spatial
relationships between those N things based on just N mappings. This is
something we all know, but it is one of the many wonderful
Your busy and I'm busy, so we can wait for another topic before
communicating next. But our communication on this topic has been
interesting.
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of
locality field on concepts that get connected.
On 10/21/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Ben,
Good Post
I my mind the ability to map each of N things into a model of a space is a
very valuable
]
Edward W. Porter wrote:
[snip]
There is a very interest paper at
http://www.icsuci.edu/~granger/RHGenginesJ1s.pdf
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~granger/RHGenginesJ1s.pdf that I have referred
to before on this list that states the cortico-thalmic feedback loop
functions to serialize the brain's
about that?
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-goal, and conscious
attention selection.
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Isn't one of the key concepts behind hierarchical memory (as described in
Jeff Hawkins's work, the Serre paper I have cited, Rodney Books's
subsumption, etc.) exactly that is builds hierarchically upon the
regularities and modularities of whatever word it is learning in, acting
in, and
a transition into the future that is satisfying for most
humans
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?
And what are the always rearing CAs, you know, the ones with the tiny
little heads?
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So, do you or don't you model uncertainty, contradictory evidence, degree
of similarity, and all those good things?
And what is a CA, or don't i want to know?
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Josh,
Great post. Warrants being read multiple times.
You said.
JOSH I'm working on a formalism that unifies a very high-level
programming language (whose own code is a basic datatype, as in lisp),
spreading-activation semantic-net-like representational structures, and
subsumption-style
and the words. Holonic neatly captures
this
process by emphasizing that the entities being disambiguated are both made
up
of parts and are themselves parts of larger entities.
Is that a fair exegesis, Eliezer?
Josh
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JOSH,
I KNEW
capability could be the basis of
extremely valuable commercial products.
Some hype is bull and some hype is spreading the truth. To say that
now is the time to start making rapid strides in AGI is spreading the
truth.
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.
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On Thursday 18 October 2007 09:28:04 am, Edward W. Porter wrote:
Josh,
According to that font of undisputed truth
Matt Mahoneys Thu 10/18/2007 9:15 PM post states
MAHONEY There is possibly a 6 order of magnitude gap between the size of
a cognitive model of human memory (10^9 bits) and the number of synapses
in the brain (10^15), and precious little research to resolve this
discrepancy. In fact, these
Re: Richard Loosemore's below copied post
LOOSEMORE Overall, I believe that possible-worlds semantics serves no
purpose in
AI except to justify the idea that statements like It is the case that
all cups are drinking vessels that possess a handle can have something
like a truth value that is
heard or thought of, but is its
evidence of the changing human collective consciousness on subjects
relating to the singularity. Its link is
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1028029695;fp;;fpid;;pf;1 )
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TO LOOSEMORE.
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David,
You raise an imporant issue, about the danger of backlash and the need to
plan how to prevent it, which has been discussed before on this thread.
But it is so important it should be raised again from time to time.
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.
Again, exactly my point. It wouldn't matter if one was copied from the
other,
or reverse-engineered, or produced by a random-number generator (as
unlikely
as that would be).
I AM GLAD SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME ON THAT.
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OBTAINED BY THE
EXPERIENCES OF THE INTELLIGENCE THAT IS USING IT.
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to, as reflected, in the case of vsion by the paper by Serre I
have cited so many times). This gen/comp hierarchy bottoms out with
simple patterns in sensory and emotional input space
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of arithmetic to be valid and useful in the real
world of things like sheep, cows, and money. Of course there could be
semantics in an imaginary world, but they would come from experiences of
imagination.
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, BUT YET HAS PROVED USEFUL, AT LEAST FOR
ENTERTAINMENT, IS THE HARRY POTTER SERIES, OR SOME OTHER FICTIONAL WORLD
WHICH CREATES A FICTIONAL REALITY IN WHICH THERE IS A CERTAIN REGULARITY
TO THE BEHAVIOR AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THE FICTITIOUS PEOPLE AND PLACES IT
DESCRIBES.
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and events in its own environment.
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I im trying to send the message by just typing my comments in your post
referred to below. I have been told that will end up shoing your text
with a in front of each line. Just in case it doesn't if you view
this in rich text you will see my comments underlined.
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PM POST, THERE IS NO
REASON WHY KNOWLEDGE LEARNED FROM BOOKWORLD COULD NOT BE COMBINED
KNOWLEDGE LEARNED BY OTHER MEANS, INCLUDING THE IMAGE SEQUENCES YOU ARE SO
FOND OF.
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role in mathematical thinking.
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mathematical thought. To a certain extent math is a language,
and it would be surprising if linguistic patterns and behaviors -- or at
least patterns and behaviors partially derived from them -- didnt play a
large role in mathematical thinking.
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Jean-Paul,
Thank you for you kind comments.
I look forward to hearing about your system.
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consciousness is aware of.
Does any body else on this list have similar episodes of what appears to
be largely verbal conscious thought, or am I (a) out of touch with my own
conscious processes, and/or (b) weird?
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am very impressed. I think drawing
analogies should be child's play for Novamente.
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. But
Validmir is right for believing that it should be possible to build an AGI
that was well grounded in its own domain, without any knowledge of the
physical world (other than as the manifesting of bits and bytes).
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Dear indefinate article,
Agreed, a human-like reasoning system -- that is one that has
associations for concepts similar to a human -- requires human-like
grounding. I have said exactly that for years.
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in this
way.
So it would be good to have more than just learning from text.
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TYPE OF VISUAL SENSORY MODELING YOU SEEM TO BE
ADVOCATING.
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I dont know if, how, or how well NARS would handle all of the task of
performing the type of recastings you claim is desirable.
But remember NARS was part of Hofstadters Fluid Analogy Research Group
(FARG), which was dedicated to the very type of recasting you mention --
that is non-literal
welcome comments, not only from Mark, but also from other readers.
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that are inheritance statements, rather than between entire
statemens, unless the statement was a subject or a predicate of a higher
order inheritance statement. So what you are referring to appears to be
beyond what I have read.
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probabilistic effects on the other, as you suggested, assuming that the
fact a raven is black has implications on whether or not it is white. But
such two way probabilistic relationships are at the core of Bayesian
inference, so there is no reason why they should not be part of an AGI.
Edward W. Porter
visualspatial
reasoning, not auditory nor linguistic intelligence. Some mentally
retarded autistic people have extremely high IQs.
Edward W. Porter wrote:
Dear indefinite article,
The Wikipedia entry for Flynn Effect suggests -- in agreement with
your comment in the below post -- that older people
Charles D. Hixsons post of 10/8/2007 5:50 PM, was quite impressive as a
first reaction upon reading about NARS.
After I first read Pei Wangs A Logic of Categorization, it took me
quite a while to know what I thought of it. It was not until I got
answers to some of my basic questions from Pei
transplant, once said
something to the effect of
If you think old people look bad from the outside, you
should see how bad they look from the inside.
That would presumably also apply to our brains.
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If you are a machine reasoning from pieces of information you receive in
no particular order how do you know which is the major and which is the
minor premise?
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that you
would find the first of these two inductions has a larger truth value than
the second and that the third probably has a larger truth value than the
second..
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Thanks.
So as I understand it, whether a premise is major or minor is defined by
its role of its terms relative to a given conconclusion. But the same
premise could play a major role relative to once conclusion and a minor
role relative to another.
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Great, I look forward to trying this when I get back from a brief
vacation for the holiday weekend.
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with more knowledge of the
subject than I could point out my presumed error.
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it is trying to solve already done (which is very helpful for what
it is trying to do), but which at least suggests a question about how well
it will be able to learn in areas where that type of hard work has not
already been done for it.
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importantly in the many levels between the semantic
and the pixel level is possible with todays hardware in limited domains.
It should be fully possible across all sensory domains with the much more
powerful hardware that the Serres of the future will be working on.
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virtually all domains.
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, and, if not, are you
allowed to send me a copy of the better one for free?
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From: Pei Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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symbolic logic slowly.
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From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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properly call image
schemas.
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From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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in many respects, have been amazingly powerful
considering many of them ran on roughly fly-brain-level hardware. As I
have been saying for decades, I know which end is up in AI -- its
computational horsepower. And it is coming fast.
Edward W. Porter
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that definition? A
lot of people on this list seem to hang a lot on RSI, as they use it,
implying it is necessary for human-level AGI.
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Good distinction!
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From: Derek Zahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:22 PM
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Subject: RE: [agi] RSI
Edward W. Porter writes:
As I say, what is, and is not, RSI would appear to be a matter
AI post-grad of today had such hardware to play
with, things would really start jumping. Within ten years the equivents
of such machines could easily be sold for somewhere between $10k and
$100k, and lots of post-grads will be playing with them.
Hardware to the people!
Edward W. Porter
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On 10/3/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, if the average AI post-grad of today had such hardware to
play with, things would really start jumping. Within ten years the
equivents of such machines could easily be sold for somewhere between
$10k and $100k, and lots
representational and behavioral learning can be in
the human mind.
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already spend a lot of time thinking about exactly this. Those
who are interested in AGi -- and havent already done so -- should follow
their lead.
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at a very broad
level, could be mapped into a Novamente-like machine to draw analogizes
between virtually any types of patterns that shared similarities at some
level which seem worthy of note to the system in the current context.
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for many tasks, greatly increasing their commercial value.
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From: Jiri Jelinek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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to the system.
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From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:39 PM
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, than again, it
would seem the term covered virtually any automatic learning system
capable of changing its behavior.
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belief that a
Novamente-type system could have consideral room to learn and adapt while
still being restrained to avoid certain goals and behaviors. Afterall,
most of us humans do.
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