On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Ronald C. Blue wrote:
...Noise is not noise...
Speaking of noise, was that ghastly HTML formatting really necessary?
It made the email nearly unreadable.
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they realize it or not), which
are a form of hypercomputer. If it was possible to build such a
computer, it would have some strange consequences for physics that are
not in evidence.
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On Jan 1, 2009, at 2:35 PM, J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
Since digital and analog are the same thing computationally
(digital is a subset of analog), and non-digital computers have
been generally superior for several decades, this is not relevant.
Gah, that should be *digital* computers have
of hypercomputation captures some very specific
mathematical concepts that are not captured in other conceptual
terms. I do not see what is being evaded, since it is more like
pointing out the obvious with respect to certain limits implied by the
conventional Turing model.
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magic from the error
bars in any case.
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, since there seems to be
a similar concept at work there.
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at this general problem, that it's better to
characterize AGI systems
An interesting question is which pattern subset if ignored would make
the problem tractable.
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On Dec 26, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Philip Hunt wrote:
2008/12/27 J. Andrew Rogers and...@ceruleansystems.com:
I think many people greatly underestimate how many gaping algorithm
holes
there are in computer science for even the most important and
mundane tasks.
The algorithm coverage
the indexes
alone.
In an ideal system, the database relation *is* the index. External
indexes are largely a software engineering artifact of only being able
to represent one dimension per relation in a scalable manner.
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are not being electronically
differentiated, then sampling must proceed at least twice as fast as
the NN/AGI cycles.
Or... you could be using something like compressive sampling, which
safely ignores silly things like the Nyquist limit.
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know this then you can very easily
add them to the software-modeled system. You have not explained why
this is not possible, merely asserted it.
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It is not so much that I understand everything you are talking about,
but that the parts are I *do* understand are quite wrong on their own.
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explanatory memes of woo-ness of which humans are
fond.
Like the old man once said, entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter
necessitatem.
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cooking does not. Which is why I am merely an adequate baker
instead of a great one. :-)
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happily entertain it. I just am not aware of one
though that may reflect my limited experience.
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to implement it
virtually, why would there be any reason at all to believe that it
will do anything interesting?
The hallmark of a viable AGI theory/design is that you can explain why
it *must* work in sufficient detail to be implementable in any medium.
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of digital and analog is one of those
hard-to-kill memes that needs to die, along with the fundamental non-
equivalence of parallel and serial computation. Persistent buggers,
even among people who should know better.
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either very small projects or you
are older than Methuselah. I've worked on a lot of projects, but
nowhere near 100 and I was a consultant for many years.
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mailing list ...the project had hit a serious
snag, and so the investors brought in a consultant that would explain
why the project was broken by defectively reasoning about dubious
generalizations he pulled out of his ass...
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, but
there will be some types of functions that are not very efficient
using them. Evolution optimized the architecture for a specific use
case given the materials and processes at hand.
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. We have a
model, but our poorly calibrated interactions with it are constantly
moderated by real-world feedback.
It is an open question as to whether or not mathematics will arrive at
an elegant solution that out-performs the sub-optimal wetware algorithm.
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(or
particularly) when thinking about interactions with 3-dimensional
spaces that are not directly tractably decidable.
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has anything to do with AI, except to the extent AI may
involve efficiently manipulating models of spaces.
Sloppy thinking and hidden assumptions as usual . . . .
The irony is rich.
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of that, let's get to the meat of it: Are you arguing that
the function that is a neuron is not an elementary operator for
whatever computational model describes the brain?
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the futility
of my attempting to close that particular comprehension gap.
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computational model it is that
describes the brain?
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to say
the computer scientists do not pay enough attention to neuroanatomy
research. :-)
Silly monkeys.
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and all that.
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an article about how simple an effective computational description
is that a lot of neuroscientists subscribe to. If that model is
simple, then neurons are ipso facto simple. The description *is*
the complexity from a computational standpoint.
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substantive.
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and relevant definition. The digits of pi look
complex to the naive observer, but they are most assuredly the product
of a simple function.
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sites use reverse proxies or other shenanigans that
run many servers through a single IP, which would have the opposite
bias. Accurately counting server boxes is difficult.
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might as well bind it to a super-productive
language like Python. Is Microsoft porting Visual Studio to Unix/
Linux in the near future? I already get a really fancy Unix
development environment from Apple for free, though it does not
support .NET.
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Your model above tacitly predicates its optimality on a naive MCP
strategy, but is not particularly well-suited for it. In short, this
means that you are assuming that the aggregate latency
deluded about the distribution of
developer talent on the wild and wooly Internet.
The right tool for the job, and all that.
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in this area surrounds the problem of massive
distributed and decentralized spatial structures, though not for the
purposes you are thinking about.
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be correctly viewed as a
narrow instance of the latter.
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the false impression that adults learn languages
more slowly.
I am too lazy to dig up cites at the moment, but I definitely remember
discussions of this research in the not too distant past.
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the possible bits that English speakers do not.
However, having delved fairly deeply in one such language myself, it
is easier than it seems at first once you figure it out.
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of a few people who came to the US from Asia in the
mid-teens who speak perfect accent-free American English that was
learned when they moved to the US. Quite a phoneme change from tonal
East Asian languages, and you would never know they were not born here.
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complexity are fundamentally
about the strict definition of the term, or the complete absence
thereof. The arguments tend to evaporate if everyone is forced to
unambiguously define such terms, but where is the fun in that.
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are if scalable performance is a criteria.
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is simple enough you
can gain some significant speed for modest effort by writing your own
engine that is purpose-built to be optimized for your needs.
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do a lot of really cool software
implementation tricks with it that Oracle and SQL Server do not do.
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of
exists. Inevitably people use non-standard platform features that
expose the specific capabilities of the engine being used to maximize
performance. As a practical matter, you pick a database platform and
stick with it as long as is reasonably possible.
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poorly.
In a sense, a design choice that has traditionally put some limits on
scaling PostgreSQL for OLAP put it in exactly the right place to make
implementation of next-generation architectures as natural of an
evolution as can be expected in this case.
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support will not be core in PostgreSQL until
the next release.
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of millisecond over the Internet connection
(not hypothetical, actually measured at ~400 microseconds). I wish
disk access was even remotely that good. And this was with
inexpensive Gigabit Ethernet.
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than most, and most HTML email is *still* generally rendered as far
uglier and less readable than plaintext email. Given that HTML email
does not add anything substantive could we please stick to plaintext
for the sake of communication?
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On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:37
on their interconnect than their compute nodes.
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, this evolution
fellow would whip up another batch of humans posthaste?
Lotto balls must be brilliant economists; they make multi-millionaires
with impressive regularity.
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to the AI research per se and the inability of these
ventures to minimize all that unnecessary risk is a giant mark
against them.
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are
implicitly saying just trust me to investors and do not realize it.
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it.
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On Oct 21, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Richard Loosemore wrote:
It took me at least five years of struggle to get to the point
where I could start to have the confidence to call a spade a spade
It still looks like a shovel to me.
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it is an uphill battle to find
people willing to make such investments. A track record is huge;
proving that you have delivered on insanity in the past will have VCs
lining up to invest in your insanity in the future. But you have to
have delivered at some point.
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has serious consequences on
performance and reputation. It is a Catch-22, though perhaps well-
deserved.
In short, traditional venture capital is a poor finance model for
AGI. Which does not suggest other finance models.
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You are improperly conflating intelligence and rationality.
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for the AGI.
That sounds like a contributor lawsuit waiting to happen outside of
the contributors contractually agreeing to have zero rights, and who
would want to sign such a contract?
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to be irritatingly inflexible.
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Blue sky ventures and maintaining control are pretty much in
opposition to each other if you do not want to marginalize your
funding opportunities. The lack of intrinsic capital is going to
make things tough, because the only real currency you have *is* control.
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, reputation, or cold
hard cash -- the stuff ventures are built on. And capital begets
capital, so there is a virtuous cycle. That does not mean your
project is impossible, but it is implausible. You need to spend more
time working on accumulating the necessary capital.
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guess you can worry about that later...
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The closest *decent* way to do what you want to do is to contract
options upfront with modifying conditions and qualifications based on
future performance.
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missed and was often too head down to see. I
would pay a lot for comp sci papers from a few years from now much
less fifty years out!
Someone after my own heart. :-)
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not experienced before.
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, is a
small integer factor discrepancy and usually less. The really hairy
problems are those that have been spec-ed with no obvious solution.
That's when most consulting firms pray that the brains in their
outfit will deliver them. Which was me, at one time.
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organization for years in order to do something
about perceived business malfeasance. The result is that there are
complex rules and hoops you have to jump through that get worse every
year, some highly restrictive, if you want to legally organize and
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-- chump change -- and is therefore obviously
not the gating factor in building another Google.
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of the reasons I left it was *because* it was boringly predictable.
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that they should actively managed in the
same way the Federal Reserve manages the money supply.
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it...
It would be a lot cheaper just to publish it. Patents, done
correctly, are pretty expensive.
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userlands and relatively tiny
kernels).
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On May 30, 2007, at 11:57 PM, Samantha Atkins wrote:
J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
All patents are ideas and algorithms.
Not quite. Would you patent the quadratic equation? How about
Newtonian approximation? Means of computing logarithms?
The nice thing about algorithms
by me. #3 is probably best, but it has nothing
to do with software patents.
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your copyright will
be good for. It will not prevent other companies from producing
expensive knock-offs of your AI, and expensive is actually pretty
paltry here.
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On May 31, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Russell Wallace wrote:
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Huh? Maybe if you are a writer. Copyright only protects the
implementation, not any design innovations; the latter has a lot of
value, the former only marginal value.
*blink*
Er, it's
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is involved in creating them. It
is still a very active space because there are still many things we
cannot do in software as a practical with the extant set of
algorithms computer science literature provides no matter how hard
you try.
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are pretty fundamental things. It is analogous to not having B-Trees
for dimensionless data.
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from every STM publisher for a given topic area. Program
quality rather than price is the deciding factor, as is in evidence
here.
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a *long* time, his argument is more of a me
too one AFAICT. Perhaps he put his own flavor to it, but the
underlying principle is not particularly new.
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On May 6, 2007, at 4:08 PM, J. Storrs Hall, PhD. wrote:
On Sunday 06 May 2007 17:59, J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
On May 6, 2007, at 2:27 PM, J. Storrs Hall, PhD. wrote:
The only person, for my money, who has really seen through it is
Drew
McDermott, Yale CS prof (former student of Minsky
and other applications. A related problem is
geospatial routing (a space I've been doing some important work in on
the side), which is semi-dependent on the solution to that problem.
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to the bare metal through Java if you need to.
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giving
up the performance and flexibility of the basic relational engine.
This battle has already been fought in the market place, and there
was little compelling about OODBs either in theory or practice.
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and a couple places since I
didn't live in a place with this type of thermostat.
Apparently, the future has arrived and just is not evenly distributed.
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is not to say that I think the rules
should be changed, just that this is quite relevant to the bigger
question.
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set an order of magnitude or so might make a more
practical case for the intended purpose in that it would make more
creative modeling algorithms plausible.
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On Aug 7, 2006, at 3:30 AM, Yan King Yin wrote:
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Or even more likely that his definition is a memorized sequence of
digits.
C'mon, the brain is not so dumb.
Which is precisely why it does not retain patterns more complex than
, rather than 22/7.
Or even more likely that his definition is a memorized sequence of
digits.
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that have to be dealt with if
one chooses to do things this way that are not immediately obvious to
most people that do it, having seen several (naive) incarnations of
this over the years.
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worked with many self-
styled programmers and software engineers who never really grokked
the field after decades of experience, try though they might. Make
sure you are doing something that comes naturally to you.
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of this is arguably dull
slog material -- tedious, unsexy, and useful.
None of which prevents memory-attached FPGAs from being very useful
for the broader task. I look forward to evaluating such systems.
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correlations mattered, Cyc would be real AI.
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? In any sufficiently
rich environment, the type of compression you appear to be describing
above is naive and would have adverse consequences on efficacy. Or
at least, I cannot think of a construct that can do this efficiently
while being some facsimile of fully general.
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a single core on the chip
and turned the rest of the silicon into very fast local memory with
plenty of I/O to other processors. Sun obviously has different needs.
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