Re: DIS: Protos: Coins have Value

2020-05-13 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/13/20 2:04 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: The equivalent in Agora would be to have several desirable assets and either 1) restrict who can generate/get each asset without trading or 2) make generating/getting them an investment where players are encouraged to go deep on one asset and tr

Re: DIS: Research Request: Economics

2020-05-12 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/12/20 2:31 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 5/11/20 3:00 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: I think that there's a problem subdividing time periods in Agora. There's not always a clear date where a certain era started and ended. PAoaM, for instance, entere

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Herald electoin

2020-05-12 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/12/20 7:58 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: Since no one else has, I become a candidate. If anyone else would like to fulfill the duties of this office effectively, let me know and I will withdraw. My deputisation earlier this month was fully intended to be a o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [attn Promotor] Ping!

2020-05-12 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
d rule? That just sounds like normal rules with extra steps. On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:44 PM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 5/12/20 6:13 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: Wouldn't this allow you to succ people dry out of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [attn Promotor] Ping!

2020-05-12 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
gt; wrote: Wouldn't this allow you to succ people dry out of their coins because there is no limit to how many times you can activate this after an infraction? I could just say nothing and just attempt it later on but like, this mechanic would be such a pain in the ass lmao. On Tue, May

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [attn Promotor] Ping!

2020-05-12 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
ld be such a pain in the ass lmao. I believe that the "once" in "any player CAN once" should prevent that from being a problem. On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 4:11 AM Reuben Staley via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: I submit the following proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [attn Promotor] Ping!

2020-05-11 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/11/20 8:48 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 5/11/20 10:45 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: --- Title: Agora plays table tennis AI: 0.1 Author: Trigon Coauthors: This is either INEFFECTIVE or has an AI of 1.0 under CFJ 3744 because 0.1 is not a valid AI per R1950

Re: DIS: Research Request: Economics

2020-05-11 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/11/20 8:28 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:>> Maybe there could be an office for Agora academia specifically? The 'Professor'? Has a bi-annual report of all theses, perhaps? Maybe we could make a campaign to make a timeline of Agora history? I dunno. For those unfamiliar with what I mean

Re: DIS: Protos: Two Small Offices

2020-05-08 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/8/20 10:01 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: I have never once got any value out of any form of the newspapers (well except the ones I intentionally published with no text to get paid lol), mainly because it's actually a lot easier to catch up on the game by reading emails than by read

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw

2020-05-05 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/5/20 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: I can see your point too and can think of some arguments in support of it... might be borderline enough for its own CFJ, or maybe up to the Herald whether it is or not...? And by that you mean whoever can deputise fastest. -- Trigon, S

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw

2020-05-05 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/5/20 7:30 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Tue, 2020-05-05 at 19:03 -0600, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: How is it a game-defined action? It's something that could have been done by the game rules, rather than something done by a player; and whether or not it hap

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw

2020-05-05 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/5/20 6:45 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: Rule 2553: “If a CFJ about the legality or possibility of a game action” CFJ 3828: “A recent rule named "A coin award" was enacted, increased the number of coins R. Lee owns by 1, and then repealed itself.” I think the CFJ statement is in th

Re: DIS: Research Request: Economics

2020-05-04 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/4/20 11:22 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: Did some spot Ruleset checks based on memory these are the ones I know or found: 2000 - 2002 Stems, Papyrus, Voting Entitlements, Indulgences, Auctions. Multiple roles (Scribes, Acolytes, Politicians) to promote trade. 2003 - 2006 Boon

Re: DIS: Historical Preservation

2020-05-04 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/4/20 11:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:38 PM Reuben Staley via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: Thanks to PSS for eir foresight, and pre-thanks to everyone that does their part in preservation e

Re: DIS: Historical Preservation

2020-05-04 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 5/4/20 11:09 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: This might already be known but Blob's Thesis Archive [1] appears to have left this realm. It was not captured on the wayback machine. Luckily, PSS has captured all of the theses that were stored there [2]. In the future we might consider cre

DIS: Re: BUS: Additional Official Patent Titles

2020-04-29 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 4/26/20 1:04 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: Proposal: Re-Officialization (AI=1, Chamber=Participation) I don't think I ever mentioned this but I really love this proposal. { - Left in a Huff, awardable by the Registrar to any player deregistered by a Writ of FAGE, where the Cant

DIS: Doing some public good

2020-04-28 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
As the Speaker of the Illustrious Game of Agora, I hereby announce my intention to do some public good. We have no Notary. Not that it matters that much as the Agoran Public does not seem to be taking much interest in Contracts and Pledges. Notwithstanding this negligence, I have decided to de

Re: DIS: Code licenses

2020-04-10 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 4/9/20 8:57 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:> I shall put a license on my code as well. Probably a BSD or something else very permissive, and probably not MIT because I do care a little about attribution of the code. The problem is that everyone has slightly different thoughts about modificat

Re: DIS: Code licenses

2020-04-09 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 4/9/20 7:51 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: It appears that most of the code in the Agora GitHub org does not have a license on it. This potentially represents an issue for future officers who want to reuse code from current or past officeholders. Finally! A topic about which I am

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruleset Thesis

2019-10-15 Thread Reuben Staley
On 10/15/19 12:47 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: This was an interesting loop to look at. I wonder how much of this is due to rule consolidation? After all, no one sets out to write loops. For example, Person used to have a standalone Rule (R2150) devoted entirely to defining a Person (this was when we

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ruleset Thesis

2019-10-15 Thread Reuben Staley
On 10/14/19 11:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: But are the dependencies you've identified truly circular?  Many rules have multiple independent clauses that could very well be separated into smaller rules.  If the "circularity" is created by a link to two entirely separate clauses within a rule, that c

DIS: Re: BUS: Ruleset Thesis

2019-10-14 Thread Reuben Staley
There is a lot of interesting stuff here. I may have more comments in the future but for now I want to just point out a few things. On 10/13/19 2:19 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: The clear solution to these problems was to machine-parse the ruleset. There are two obvious ways to parse the ruleset - clo

Re: DIS: Proto: Interesting Chambers v2

2019-09-25 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/25/19 5:12 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:> I would strongly prefer that you went all the way in the other direction, and made it just an office switch, tracked by the ADoP, that wasn't hardcoded in a rule. It's not part of the core definition of an office, so it doesn't make any sense to hard code

Re: DIS: Proto: Interesting Chambers v2

2019-09-25 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/25/19 5:26 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: It should be "every proposal", without the either bit. It's less messy. The way we generally handle proposal switches is just to let them stick around, with the proposal, on the off chance the proposal is added to the pool again. Most of the time, that doe

Re: DIS: Proto: Interesting Chambers v2

2019-09-25 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/25/19 2:45 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 9/25/19 2:39 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: Title: Interesting Chambers v2 AI: 2 Author: Trigon [Changes:  - Assigned Loyalties to offices.  - Changed voting strength slightly. ] Create a new rule with title "Interest Groups", power 2, and text

Re: DIS: Proto: Interesting Chambers v2

2019-09-25 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/25/19 2:43 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> Not *too* bothered at loyal. But now that you mention it, "interested" (and interests groups) feels like one of those terms that has too many definitions/usages so might be confusung. Hmm... Maybe domains, departments, ministries, or bureaus? I used "int

Re: DIS: Proto: Interesting Chambers v2

2019-09-25 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/25/19 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 11:36 AM Reuben Staley wrote: A. Justice: interested in seeing justice served B. Efficiency: interested in seeing official duties performed C. Legislation: interested in seeing proposals passed D

DIS: Proto: Interesting Chambers v2

2019-09-25 Thread Reuben Staley
G. expressed support of this proposal, and others expressed support of eir ideas for reform, so I'm taking that as a sign that I should continue my work on this proposal. - Title: Interesting Chambers v2 AI: 2 Author: Trigon [Changes: - Assigned Loyalties to offices. - Changed voting str

DIS: Capitalization

2019-09-18 Thread Reuben Staley
With the current buzz about capitalization with regard to dependent actions, I think it's time we had this discussion for real: how consistent we are in capitalization, and how consistent ought we to be? The answer to the first question is simple. We're not consistent at all. When drafting pro

Re: DIS: Proto for a new voting/chamber system

2019-09-17 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/17/19 11:56 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: Anyway, G. said something about messing with votes[0] and I assumed I'd throw this out there because I'm not ready to give up on interest groups as a concept just yet. I just realized I forgot a footnote. [0] https://www.mail-archive

DIS: Proto for a new voting/chamber system

2019-09-17 Thread Reuben Staley
It's been a while since we've had chambers, right? Anyway, G. said something about messing with votes[0] and I assumed I'd throw this out there because I'm not ready to give up on interest groups as a concept just yet. If you don't know what chambers are, they're an old system in Agora. Chec

Re: DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-12 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/12/19 12:15 PM, James Cook wrote:> What if, instead of these balancing rules, each interest group does a stock (cheque) buy-back every quarter, and the only way to cash in a cheque between quarters is to sell it to another player? Specifically: * Make cheques of each interest group a curre

Re: DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-10 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/10/19 9:43 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I really *do* like the idea of different sectors with different "performance values" with currency speculation between them, and the event-constrained random walk governing the various values (i.e. something semi-predictable so an attentive player can trad

Re: DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-10 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/10/19 4:10 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:> I do wonder if maybe "all the interlocking cogs... turning fine" is part of the problem. In real-life political systems, things keep changing because people still feel that they are inadequate or unjust, or because there are current events that need

Re: DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-10 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/10/19 1:10 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: No comment on the specific proposal yet, but a general comment. I think we should wait a while before having another mini-game. The last few we've had have died, not because they were bad ideas, but partly because of bugs and most of all because there wasn

Re: DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-09 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/9/19 8:34 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 9/9/19 10:27 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: I kind of already see proposals as the fastest way to earn money - I think I've earned more money from proposals than all the other methods (not a rigorous claim). With that in mind, does there need to b

Re: DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-09 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/9/19 7:24 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 9/9/19 8:24 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: Possible ambiguity: "(Casting a vote [...]) on eir own behalf" vs. ("Casting a vote on (all proposals distributed [...] on eir own behalf)". What does a proposal distributed on one's

Re: DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-09 Thread Reuben Staley
Thanks for the comments. On 9/9/19 6:45 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 9/9/19 6:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: Create a new rule with title "Cheques", power 2, and text:   Cheques are entities. Each cheque is associated with an interest   group. Cheques associated with the same inte

DIS: Proto for a new economics system

2019-09-09 Thread Reuben Staley
Title: Cheques and Balances AI: 2 Author: Trigon Create a new rule with title "Interest Groups", power 1, and text: An interest group is an entity defined as such by this rule. Each interest group has a goal. The following are the interest groups of Agora and their goals:

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Rulekeepor's notes on Proposals 8215-8234, 8243-8247

2019-09-07 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/7/19 2:27 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 9/7/19 4:19 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: // ID: 8230 Title: Close the wormhole Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Murphy Co-authors: Amend Rule 2591 (Spaceships) by replacing this text: Rule 2591

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8215A-8234A and 8243-8247

2019-09-01 Thread Reuben Staley
On 9/1/19 5:21 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 9/1/19 5:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Also curious why twg and Jason Cobb voted against it?  Is there something wrong with the idea that I wholly missed a discussion about? I linked Falsifian's reasoning here: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate

2019-08-08 Thread Reuben Staley
On 8/8/19 8:32 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 8/8/19 10:24 PM, Rebecca wrote: Sorry, to praise a new god E praised UNICODE in the final paragraph. Indeed. UNICODE's name was not placed at the end of the list, which I assume is what confused you, R. Lee. -- Trigon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [frc] the riches of our temple shall accumulate

2019-08-08 Thread Reuben Staley
I humbly submit that this rule is, in fact, valid, as the first mention of ERIS was actually in nch's rule here: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg34767.html On 8/8/19 6:30 PM, Rebecca wrote: I humbly submit this rule is invalid. It is dedicated to ERIS, who was men

Re: DIS: [FRC] Draft Judgements

2019-08-07 Thread Reuben Staley
I find all these judgements very fitting, O Aris, Supreme Eminence, Pontifex Maximus! On 8/7/19 11:40 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Anyone see any obvious errors or omissions in this? Aris Pontefix Maximus --- [Apologies for how long this took and for any errors. I've been busy for the last few da

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] The Editor

2019-08-01 Thread Reuben Staley
I think it is logical to give this responsibility to the Rulekeepor, and I would take it up. A couple years ago when I was running for Rulekeepor I had a similar idea, but eventually gave up on it because I figured it was quite unimportant. As of writing this, I express complete nonchalance ab

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8215-8234

2019-07-30 Thread Reuben Staley
On 7/28/19 4:04 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 7/28/2019 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Incidentally, it’s pretty unlikely that I could persuade y’all to approve > this, but my life would be way simpler if proposals could only be submitted > in messages that had “proposal” in the subject line. Cu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: space

2019-07-24 Thread Reuben Staley
The history of spaceship switches: ATMunn's original proto had spaceships as fixed assets. Several players suggested replacing them with player switches because it would be easier that way. Later versions had spaceship switches as player switches. This was the system we'd decided on until twg

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8202-8214

2019-07-22 Thread Reuben Staley
Ah, I see. Thanks for the information. On 7/22/19 8:27 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Sorry, if you go to https://agoranomic.org/assessor/8202-8214.txt there's no extra lines. https://agoranomic.org/assessor/8188A-8195A.txt for the other one. Jason Cobb On 7/22/19 10:28 PM, Reuben Staley wrote:

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8202-8214

2019-07-22 Thread Reuben Staley
It's not *that* big of a deal, but I would really appreciate it if you didn't add extra space between the lines of the proposals' full text. It makes implementing proposals a bit easier. On 7/22/19 7:37 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8202-8214 =

DIS: Re: OFF: [Astronomor] Sector Creation

2019-07-22 Thread Reuben Staley
On 7/22/19 8:10 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: On 7/22/19 8:03 PM, Rebecca wrote: Sector 25: The Star Atop Verka Serduchka as She Majestically Performed Her Song "Lasha Tumbai" at the 2007 Eurovision Song Contest For the benefit of the Agoran populace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Herald polling honor

2019-07-22 Thread Reuben Staley
On 7/22/19 2:06 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: On 7/21/19 7:26 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: >>The FRC had a rule that the player who gained the most style points in the previous round was the Wizard, and other players had to refer to them only as the Wizard (using any other name would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Herald polling honor

2019-07-22 Thread Reuben Staley
On 7/21/19 7:26 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote:> The FRC had a rule that the player who gained the most style points in the previous round was the Wizard, and other players had to refer to them only as the Wizard (using any other name would end up giving you a penalty within the game, so the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Editorial fixes

2019-07-20 Thread Reuben Staley
In the ruleset code and in the annotations it generates, I use "reenact". If it is changed, I'll just add a dash to the reenactment template. On 7/20/19 11:00 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I’m strongly considering objecting, as I’d prefer to go the other way. What do others think? -Aris On Sat, J

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Reuben Staley
, 12:58 PM Reuben Staley wrote: No part of any ruleset is self-ratifying. -- Trigon On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 11:57 Jason Cobb wrote: Are the historical annotations in the FLR self-ratifying? Asking for a friend. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:46 AM Reuben Staley wrote: THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET Thes

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Reuben Staley
t; then. On Rule 2517, the annotations list the rule as being enacted, and > then repealed, without being re-enacted, so there might be something off > there. > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 12:58 PM Reuben Staley > wrote: > > > No part of any ruleset is self-ratifying. > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Reuben Staley
No part of any ruleset is self-ratifying. -- Trigon On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 11:57 Jason Cobb wrote: > Are the historical annotations in the FLR self-ratifying? Asking for a > friend. > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:46 AM Reuben Staley > wrote: > > > THE FULL LOGICAL RULESE

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Reuben Staley
I have to agree with Aris here. It doesn't create any rule conflicts at all. Besides, is it really that bad if the method has to be approved? I don't understand why you want to change this part of the rule. On 6/22/19 1:37 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:16 AM omd wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election Intents

2019-06-22 Thread Reuben Staley
Or a proposal resolution, for that matter. On 6/22/19 9:32 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/21/2019 7:40 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I refuse to use it to help in scams, even when people offer bribes. It's true - I've tried. Speaking of which, I'm hoping to see a proposal distribution this week - t

DIS: Re: BUS: Election Intents

2019-06-21 Thread Reuben Staley
Is anyone else interested in Rulekeepor right now? If you are, I'm good with letting an election play out, though I really do enjoy the job. On 6/21/19 5:31 PM, Rebecca wrote: I intend to initiate elections for Promotor, Tailor, ADoP and Rulekeepor, with two support (90 days having passed) (I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3737: non-binding agoran decision

2019-06-20 Thread Reuben Staley
Recuse D. Margaux? What good would that do? On 6/20/19 10:47 PM, omd wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:37 PM Rebecca wrote: I would like us all to informally vote TRUE, FALSE, PARADOXICAL, DISMISS or IRRELEVANT on CFJ 3737, the subject of so much discussion in the other thread. This would help

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-20 Thread Reuben Staley
And to think this all could have been avoided if people had just kept my original judgement and take the fall for interpreting the rules so as to proscribe unregulated actions as they clearly do. On 6/20/19 8:38 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: I think to consider a forbidden interpretation and then expli

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-20 Thread Reuben Staley
Using your interpretation of "limit" would certainly get us out of this specific case, but it would set some ugly precendent about the word that I'm not sure I'm comfortable with. On 6/20/19 6:49 PM, Rebecca wrote: I agree with omd. Once again, the only good solution is to follow my interpreta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Reuben Staley
Either - Breathing is a regulated action, or - The contract does not prohibit breathing. Jason Cobb On 6/17/19 2:20 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: Ah, indeed! So we have our conflict. I SHALL NOT interpret the rules so as to proscribe unregulated actions. The contract mandates a proscription on br

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Reuben Staley
an unregulated action without breaking rule 2152. There really is no way out of this, is there? On 6/17/19 9:32 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/17/2019 8:10 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: Does a "SHALL NOT" really count as "proscription"? I reiterate that, assuming a player has b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

2019-06-17 Thread Reuben Staley
ated Action CAN only be performed as described by the   Rules,and only using the methods explicitly specified in the Rules   for performing the given action. The Rules SHALL NOT be   interpreted so as to proscribe unregulated actions. } Jason Cobb On 6/16/19 4:45 PM, Reuben Staley wrot

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fw: CFJ: Can The Ritual be banished?

2019-06-11 Thread Reuben Staley
I believe that the problem is that Yahoo does not cooperate with mailman. Each of Rance's emails has gone directly to my spam folder. When I tried to join Agora on my Yahoo account, I received similar reports from other players. It was easier to for me to switch to Gmail that figure out what was ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: June Zombie Auction

2019-06-07 Thread Reuben Staley
FYI, you don't bid on individual lots, but auctions as a whole. The highest bidder gets the first lot, the second-highest gets the second, and so on. Because of this, all the quoted bids may not have worked. -- Trigon On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 06:17 David Seeber wrote: > I bid 6 coins for publius >

Re: DIS: On Cleanliness

2019-06-04 Thread Reuben Staley
I could have sworn we had a clause that prevented the cleaning from affecting the interpretation of the rule at some point. Regardless, omd is right. This may be covered already. Additionally, since it is without objection, any issues this may cause would (hopefully) be seen in advance by the e

Re: DIS: How are Rule ID Numbers assigned?

2019-06-01 Thread Reuben Staley
Rulekeepor reporting in. As AIS523 says, there is no perscribed method of ID assignment. I assign each rule the ID number one greater than the one enacted before it. Theoretically, I *could* influence the way rules are interpreted in a very minor way, but I don't see any purpose. The general a

Re: DIS: humble agoran farmer checks their pulse

2019-05-29 Thread Reuben Staley
You are not a zombie as of yet, but you're on thin ice. See this report for details: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg09312.html On 5/29/19 2:45 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: Hello Agorans. I hope I’m not a zombie or anything. -- Trigon

Re: DIS: Ruleset history error

2019-05-26 Thread Reuben Staley
Having looked into the matter further, I can safely say that mistakes were indeed made. The following is my analysis. On 5/25/19 3:52 PM, omd wrote: Just a quick note - The FLR credits Proposal 7778 (in various places) as: Amended(21) by P7778 'Instant Runoff Improved' (Alexis), 14 Aug 2014

Re: DIS: Ruleset history error

2019-05-25 Thread Reuben Staley
Thank you for pointing that out. It is through the due diligence of the players of Agora Nomic that what I report is even remotely accurate. -- Trigon On Sat, May 25, 2019, 15:52 omd wrote: > Just a quick note - > > The FLR credits Proposal 7778 (in various places) as: > > Amended(21) by P7778

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Bleach] Line-wrapping the Line-Item Veto (attn H. Rulekeepor)

2019-05-22 Thread Reuben Staley
I added the critical character to the YAML file. In this week's SLR, the error will be fixed. On 5/22/19 11:33 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: On May 23, 2019, at 1:27 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: Well, in order for a cleaning to be valid, it must be a "correction". If there is not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Bleach] Line-wrapping the Line-Item Veto (attn H. Rulekeepor)

2019-05-22 Thread Reuben Staley
dependent action (in this case “[cleaning] a rule without objection”). I’m only relying on rule 2429 for policy, not mechanism. I agree with your interpretation of how it otherwise applies in isolation. What have I missed? -o On May 23, 2019, at 1:14 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: You are mistaken

DIS: Re: BUS: [Bleach] Line-wrapping the Line-Item Veto (attn H. Rulekeepor)

2019-05-22 Thread Reuben Staley
You are mistaken as to how the Bleach rule works. It does not mean any player can change the spacing by way of cleaning, it means that I can format rules using whatever spacing I want, as long as I respect paragraph breaks. If the Bleach rule did work that way, then every rule would be wrapped

DIS: Arcadia tournament to get people back into Agora.

2019-05-17 Thread Reuben Staley
This is actually a contract and a tournament, the contract existing solely to help the iterative design I want to go for here. Here is the rough draft: = CONTRACT = Definitions - The Lord-Ruler of Arcadia is the player designated as such by this contract. Currently, Trigon is

Re: DIS: doing stuff?

2019-04-08 Thread Reuben Staley
My activity in this game is very much reactionary. I generally only remember to do any of my duties if someone does something to remind me about them. That's why I haven't done much. -- Trigon On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 13:51 Aris Merchant wrote: > I think the immediate cause of the current slowness

Re: DIS: I want to become a player of Agora

2019-04-06 Thread Reuben Staley
Welcome! If you want to join, all you need say is "I register" and send it to agora-business. On 4/5/19 7:57 PM, Bernie Brackett wrote: I just discovered Nomic through a convoluted series of events, and I decided to join Agora because it was the only one listed on the wikipedia article. I've

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset: Eighth Week of 2019

2019-03-01 Thread Reuben Staley
Oh, another thing. https://agoranomic.org/ruleset is updated now with the data about February 22nd's rulesets. On 3/1/19 9:34 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: I worded my response poorly. When I said to check the archives on agoranomic.org I really meant the mailman archives. The mail-ar

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset: Eighth Week of 2019

2019-03-01 Thread Reuben Staley
to do not have the requirement -- but don't count on it changing any time soon because our Honorable Distributor omd only pops in when the lists are in dire need of attention. On 3/1/19 8:32 PM, James Cook wrote: On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 04:11, Reuben Staley wrote: The logical rulesets are

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
to read it more carefully. > > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 04:32, Reuben Staley > wrote: > > > > It also says that the gamestate, excluding the ruleset, is modified to > what > > it would have been if the amendment took place. Does this override the > > amen

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
It also says that the gamestate, excluding the ruleset, is modified to what it would have been if the amendment took place. Does this override the amendment itself? -- Trigon On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 21:29 James Cook It does say "Rule 2124 is amended...". Why wouldn't that happen? I > don't think t

DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
I hate to point this out after the distribution, but if I'm correct in my reading, this does not actually amend the rule. After this passes, won't intents still be broken? -- Trigon On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 18:34 D. Margaux Pursuant to the Living Zombie contract, I hereby cause ATMunn to issue the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset: Eighth Week of 2019

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
The logical rulesets are very long documents. Lots of times, the rulesets slip through because of that. Check the archives on agoranomic.com. When I get around to updating the ruleset site, it'll also be there. -- Trigon On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 21:07 James Cook I don't see this message in the publ

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
On 2/26/19 4:34 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote> Reuben Staley also wrote: Along the same line, we have the distribution system of proposals. This goes along with (1), but is still worth mentioning. In most other Nomics, proposals are immediately put up for voting since one post can represen

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-02-25 Thread Reuben Staley
One key trait of Nomic that comes from its main spin as a game built around rule changes is adaptability. I am of the opinion that, as of right now, there is no perfect forum on which to play Nomic, but Nomic can and, with a reasonably wise group of players who each have the strengths and limit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Politics

2019-02-24 Thread Reuben Staley
I was mildly interested, but I was deterred from participation by the early scam. -- Trigon On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 17:06 Kerim Aydin > Funnily enough, the last time this was implemented, the same sort of thing > happened: several people said "this sounds cool", then almost no one played > and the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-24 Thread Reuben Staley
This reminds me of a concept I ran across while reading an essay about Nomic one time called Fork World, where the guiding principle of play is "no coercion". In Fork World, the group of players who vote against each rule change and the group of players who vote for are sent to their own, non-i

DIS: Re: BUS: Apathy

2019-02-19 Thread Reuben Staley
Support On Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 20:56 James Cook Apathy >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-18 Thread Reuben Staley
Someone has to ask the inevitable question: to what extent should cleaning self-ratify? What if the clause that is to be cleaned shouldn't even exist? The reality is that some elements of rules are lost when applying rule changes. Is it fair to say that when a clause mistakenly left in the rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Another useful string for future reference

2019-02-18 Thread Reuben Staley
d8dcc8184c9160ce7f09a369127580b4 -- Trigon On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 17:22 Madeline 347e6994e340b1887cb464eed0a980f5dd708170f25dd5eda31d318fdc > > 1aeb71e07bab1ed854b51a9303d574f3bf086044146fcdfb8f8f4e82951d37eec0aa5939e458c490617 > 614c2970d08d161190fe0a50 > 2012c8d6da48df899382751889975ece9c334fc1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not so fast!

2019-02-18 Thread Reuben Staley
I would say that the reading of the proposal in question would imply an override of all the amendments since 7815. I haven't been following this thread so I don't know what a better solution would be. On 2/18/19 9:21 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 2/18/2019 7:07 AM, James Cook wrote: The gamestat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: testing collective punishment

2019-02-17 Thread Reuben Staley
=== = = OFFICIAL IMPERIAL STATEMENT = = === I will not perform any actions that would unfairly benefit BlogNomic players coming from an Agoran invasion. However, if it is decided that one of us should take over BlogNomic and decl

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette (v1)

2019-02-17 Thread Reuben Staley
I'm sorry, but this week has been the busiest and most tiring I've had in quite a while. I will deliver judgements for all the cases I'm currently assigned to in a few hours. On Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 12:48 Kerim Aydin > Trigon, > > Are you actually judging stuff? I know you stepped away from a coup

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8152-8163

2019-02-09 Thread Reuben Staley
First off, NttPF. On 2/9/19 10:09 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: 8161 Trigon, Ørjan 3.0 Extend "amend" and “reenact” AGAINST, because “A repealed rule not in the ruleset identified by its most recent rule number MUST be specified for reenactment” could be interpreted as imposing an obligat

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8152-8163

2019-02-09 Thread Reuben Staley
CoE: D. Margaux withdrew the Duumvirate proposal in this thread: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg33451.html On 2/9/19 5:04 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Reuben Staley
h is trivially False if Trigon's is False, but anyways, I call the following: "The Ruleset (as a contract) now has 1 coin." On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 6:44 PM Reuben Staley wrote: Upon my first reading, this didn't surprise me that much. It makes sense that these systems would

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Reuben Staley
Upon my first reading, this didn't surprise me that much. It makes sense that these systems would look similar because AFAIK Contracts were actually modeled after the rules. However, then I realized that CFJ 3664 where G. and D. Margaux informally agreed to do something but because it satisfied

DIS: [Proto] Extend "amend"

2019-02-08 Thread Reuben Staley
The mistake of conflating retitlings and amendments has been made many times recently, the most recent being by an experienced player, and one of the earlier ones breaking a minigame completely. Also, adding different property changes as separate rule changes is more time-consuming for your Rul

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Reuben Staley
On 2/8/19 6:56 PM, D. Margaux wrote: On Feb 8, 2019, at 8:53 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: Unfortunately, Markdown is rather limited in the types of lists it implements. It can do 1., 2., 3., but unless you have an extended markdown, it does not recognise parenthesized numbers or any kind of

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