Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 15:29 +1100, Madeline wrote: > Is there an intended purpose for gray ribbons? I'm not sure if > there's some custom I should be made aware of there. The intended purpose is to give the Tailor something tradeable at times when the economy isn't working, to persuade people to

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Is there an intended purpose for gray ribbons? I'm not sure if there's some custom I should be made aware of there. On 2018-02-14 14:54, Telnaior wrote: I award a Gray Ribbon to Trigon. On 2018-02-14 12:55, Reuben Staley wrote: I transfer 5 shinies to Telnaior. On Feb 13, 2018 17:14,

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You are a bad person. On 2018-02-14 10:12, Cuddle Beam wrote: I bid 15 shinies on that auction On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Telnaior wrote: :( I bid 14 shinies on nichdel's zombie auction. On 2018-02-14 09:43, Kerim Aydin wrote: With sufficient support, I do so.

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I know what this calls for. >> >> I intend to declare victory by apathy for all players who have posted in >> this mail thread ("DIS: Re: BUS: Confession") until now. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:18 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> >&

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Pretty sure you didn't have enough support for that. On 2018-02-14 09:25, Alexis Hunt wrote: I support and do so. On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 at 17:24, Madeline wrote: I'm not supporting on purpose :) On 2018-02-14 09:18, Kerim Aydin wrote: Not that there isn't a fascinating

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I support. > On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Not that there isn't a fascinating discussion about winning going on, but > I REALLY WOULD appreciate either support for the below, or some statement > from folks that they're not supporting on

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I'm not supporting on purpose :) On 2018-02-14 09:18, Kerim Aydin wrote: Not that there isn't a fascinating discussion about winning going on, but I REALLY WOULD appreciate either support for the below, or some statement from folks that they're not supporting on purpose (i.e. why it's not a

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Not that there isn't a fascinating discussion about winning going on, but I REALLY WOULD appreciate either support for the below, or some statement from folks that they're not supporting on purpose (i.e. why it's not a good punishment). The current consensus-driven penalty system is very poor

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2018-02-13 at 22:17 +0100, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > OK, I'm up for trying it. How much would you sell your vote for? > > I don't have a vote right now, and part of the problem is that Agora > doesn't have much assets of lasting value at the moment

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So, vote trade shoppe? Vote trade shoppe. I guess it could be done via contract. Man I love the custom-writing stuff, it's so cool and versatile. On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2018-02-13 at 22:17 +0100, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > OK, I'm up

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On Tue, 2018-02-13 at 22:17 +0100, Cuddle Beam wrote: > OK, I'm up for trying it. How much would you sell your vote for? I don't have a vote right now, and part of the problem is that Agora doesn't have much assets of lasting value at the moment to trade for it. Perhaps a vote trade would be the

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Eh, sort of, yeah. I just find that it's done via proposal to have a certain mystique to it. Proposals are the most powerful thing in the game, and you're using game money, which is comparably worth soo mch leeess than the omnipotence of a proposal, to get a fraction of that omnipotence

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 On 2018-02-14 08:17, Cuddle Beam wrote: OK, I'm up for trying it. How much would you sell your vote for? On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Alex Smith wrote: On Tue, 2018-02-13 at 12:04 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: In some ways a win is worth far more (bragging

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Recently, there was a proto submitted based on the PAoaM system where you have to destroy a number of the assets to achieving a win. That's technically buying a win in the loosest way possible since all the assets are defined as currencies. On Feb 13, 2018 14:12, "Alex Smith"

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OK, I'm up for trying it. How much would you sell your vote for? On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2018-02-13 at 12:04 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > In some ways a win is worth far more (bragging value and permanent > > record) and > > in

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On Tue, 2018-02-13 at 12:04 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > In some ways a win is worth far more (bragging value and permanent > record) and > in some ways less (if I bribed each person a number of shinies to > vote for me > to win in a proposal, I bet "buying" a win would be - oh I dunno in > the

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ignore the "Lets consider that we DO have the bracket content in there" thing, that was in my CTRL+V from elsewhere and I slipped lol On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > That's so curious. Imagine if each of us were robots which are trying to > maximize

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That's so curious. Imagine if each of us were robots which are trying to maximize the amount of wins we have in comparison to the total amount (to get a somehow "objective" measure the value of a win - if there's loads of it, each that someone has is "worth" less). And then for simplicity, all we

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I support. NTTPF. > (So a win is worth abooout 90 Shinies tops? Considering that the Black one > is one of the hardest ones and the rest would be worth that much or less. > Not that its really too important lol, just curious to see.). I really don't

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also this is all in a-d and bogus lol On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I support. > > (So a win is worth abooout 90 Shinies tops? Considering that the Black one > is one of the hardest ones and the rest would be worth that much or less. > Not that its

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I support. (So a win is worth abooout 90 Shinies tops? Considering that the Black one is one of the hardest ones and the rest would be worth that much or less. Not that its really too important lol, just curious to see.). On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Kerim Aydin

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Proto: ---*--- Anti-Corruption: With 3 Agoran Consent, a player can target an honor (a ribbon, a win, etc) that has been granted to another player within the past year (365 Agoran Days) as Corrupt, along pointing out where public trust in an Office has been breached to accomplish gaining

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I'd keep the ribbon and adjust the Black Ribbon rules, it's too much of an incentive to abuse trust in an official position and I believe a better direction would be for it to be rewarded for non-social mechanical artistry (as non-social as it can be...). On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:56 AM, Kerim

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:48 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > > > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > > > This change, mind you, would make G win. > > > > > > Well, it's one of the more

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On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:48 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > > This change, mind you, would make G win. > > > > Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black > > ribbon

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Honestly I doubt that the pink slip would be a punishment at all because support to replace you likely wouldn't exist. On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote: > It's hard to deny that... > > On 2018-02-12 11:40, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Pink slip is most appropriate however. > > > > On Mon,

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Yeah that was me when I had tailor and was pondering it. Not 100% clear that works it's an uncertain CFJ to be sure. (I published a hash of a denial at the time but then went for that proposal that failed on a technicality instead). On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote: > It's worth noting

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It's worth noting someone (Murphy?) mentioned a couple of months ago that the real scam is that you don't have to deny the CoE publicly, which would allow it to work even if someone noticed. On 2018-02-12 11:48, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: On Sun, 2018-02-11 at

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(Because scams are a big part of nomic and it wouldn't be "complete" without it) On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Scams ARE the method. > > I find that ribbons are a bit like the Nomic Decathlon of Agora, and Black > Ribbons are the scam challenge. It

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Scams ARE the method. I find that ribbons are a bit like the Nomic Decathlon of Agora, and Black Ribbons are the scam challenge. It would feel a lot less Decathlon-like if we removed that challenge. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:44 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Sorry, I

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > This change, mind you, would make G win. > > Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black > ribbon that I've seen. Eh it's pretty darn obvious and dull if your tailor

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Sorry, I meant to say give an earnable method (that I'm no closer to that anyone) for black. Disliked them for at least a year when I was nowhere near winning. On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote: > This change, mind you, would make G win. > > Gaelan > > > On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:39 PM,

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If that were the case, I just wouldn't have come clean about it... On 2018-02-12 11:42, Cuddle Beam wrote: I think the challenge should be to get Black Ribbons without getting cards. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: How about we get rid of black

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On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote: > This change, mind you, would make G win. Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black ribbon that I've seen. It was intended to be mostly economic (bribe people to vote for your proposal to give you one), but

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It's hard to deny that... On 2018-02-12 11:40, Kerim Aydin wrote: Pink slip is most appropriate however. On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote: I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't do it again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that reports

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I think the challenge should be to get Black Ribbons without getting cards. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them > (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them). > >

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This change, mind you, would make G win. Gaelan > On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them > (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them). > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex

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Pink slip is most appropriate however. On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote: > I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't do it > again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that reports aren't > protected I think it's possible to contract to ensure I

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How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them). On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > As

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On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > As referee I'm conflicted. On one hand this is blatant use > > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself > > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of

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I already did that D: On 2018-02-12 11:35, Gaelan Steele wrote: I point my finger at Telnaior for violation of rule 2143/26, third to last paragraph. If we don’t want to punish for this, we should codify it in the rules. Gaelan On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin

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I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't do it again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that reports aren't protected I think it's possible to contract to ensure I couldn't) (plus now that I've got it I don't need to be looking for ways to get it,

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On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > As referee I'm conflicted. On one hand this is blatant use > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made > this particular scam expected/ok. I look

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As referee I'm conflicted. On one hand this is blatant use of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made this particular scam expected/ok. On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote: > This is a Notice of