Hello Brian,
You are to be applauded for your work and your generosity. I am unsure how
your tree is saved, but am interested in it due to the Mendonca surname.
Would a link from it work? It is very easy to share from Ancestry; I’m not
sure about the others.
Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
Steve,
Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com? It is free. I don’t know
whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it.
Your Haplogroup may be a big help. My husband’s haplogroup is apparently
the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I
Bill.
When you say go to page 405, do you mean I should be able to see the
handwritten record? I can't get past the typed record. What am I doing
wrong?
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 4:57 AM wrote:
> On the page for the link you provided there is a link to browse the film.
> Click that and navigate
Bill,
I have nothing to add except to tell you that you are a masterful
researcher. The way you connect with people is a lesson in itself.
Debbie
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:58 AM Bill Seidler wrote:
> Thank you Linda, your insight is always appreciated and helpful. Sorry
> for the delay in
Linda,
This is so helpful for all of us.Thank you for the explanation and the
examples. I am going to try the João Joaquim Mendonca passports to
Brazil today, with your helpful advice. Wish me luck!
Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)
*Researching:*
*1. LUIZ
An ossuary is where the bones of the dead (from many people) are
deposited. It solves the space problem for burial on the islands. Seven
years after the original burial, bones are dug up and put into the church
depository called an ossuary. If a family wanted to continue to pay for
the burial
t; Lauriana? Mariana? Sebastiana? Some of those aren't likely, but have an
>> "ana" sound on the end. Maybe it will give someone an idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to disagree with Debbie here. There's nothing in the document
>> to indicate cousinship between the grooms.
I liked this list of surnames.
http://www.fernandocandido.com/portgen/portuguese-names/letter-s.html
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:40 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good point, Cheri. I also started looking at name ideas. Thinking also
> the da
Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
>> referring to. The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after m
Hi Rob,
I see that the first two marriages on the page are what you are
referring to. The dates are a day apart, so I suspect after marrying in
the church, they went together to record the marriages officially. Yes, I
believe the grooms were likely cousins. Both mothers are reported to use
Using this link that you posted previously, I was able to comment and send
copies to my senators and representative. It outlines the issue and gives
help. Her letter has links near the bottom of the page to everywhere you
need to go to send the comment. The government site was up and running.
This was an amazing story. Thanks for sharing it, Cheri.
I found her grandparent search interesting and helpful.
Deb
On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 4:31 PM Cheri Mello wrote:
> This was a rerun from a year ago. 20/20 is an American investigative
> journalism news program.
>
> Cece Moore helps
Happy Christmas everyone! And whatever your holiday, I hope it is with
family.
And Celeste, if your time researching has been as enjoyable as mine, you
have already had your gift. Enjoy a new pastime, but consider just
keeping an eye on this group. I love reading the posts even when I’m not
m so excited to think that by contacting my congressman might make a
> difference for many people.
>
> Marilyn
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 9:29 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gordon,
>>
>> Yes. Everyone needs to
Thanks Gordon,
Yes. Everyone needs to get their response in ASAP so we can enjoy the
holidays. But get friends and neighbors and family too. It’s US records
and it affects all of us. So if you are doing genealogy for your entire
family, make it easy for them to put in a response, too.
gt; Either way, you’re welcome,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:28 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote
> help
>
cessando Ceasing
Sam, thank you so much for helping me this week. I tried and only found
cessando. I am so glad you had better help for this side note.
Debbie
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:32 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:31 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sharon and Kathy,
>>
>> My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
>>
Butt in any time Sam. Thanks to both of you for the considerable time it
took.
Deb
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Whoops, I see now that Cheri already answered you on this. Excuse me
> please for butting in.
>
>
>
>
Sam and Cheri, you rock. Granddaughter makes sense!Thank you so much.
(The oops really helped... I’ll put that on my cheat sheet. And I hoped
the father of the groom hadn’t died in a ghastly alley murder.)
There is a Cabral ancestor which we were looking for.
Debbie
On Mon, Dec 9,
Sharon and Kathy,
My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
with North Africa and the countries and islands in the Mediterranean.
There would have been interbreeding of course.
Using FTDNA you get the cM of the segment length of shared DNA. I think
comparing the
E. Sharp,
I’m with you, at 64! The breakdown isn’t quite as simple as that when you
are half if your parent’s DNA doesn’t come from a 100% parent.My
husband shows about 87%. Our 4 kids ended up battling over who was the
MOST Portuguese. The one who looks most like him with the most shared
Cheri,
The troubleshooting ideas are fabulous. That’s what we needed to evaluate
the tree programs correctly from someone who’s tried the programs. Thank
you so much, you are the expert!
Debbie
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:11 PM lunamarc wrote:
> Hi Cheri,
>
> Great Idea. I do use RootsMagic
Plus you can’t be 33% of your dad is only 12% Iberian, lol. Your chart is
crazy.
Is the French possibly because of the Flemish? Jesse had previously been
tagged as more French.
All 4 of his own grandparents immigrated to Hawaii from either São Miguel
or Madeira, yet he is about 15-20% other.
Thanks Cheri, for the info. My husband’s Y-37 turned out to be the most
common, R-M269. I haven’t figured out how it is helpful, yet.
FTDNA got my husband’s locations correct, too. Azores, São Miguel and
Madeira. It also listed Guyana as a diaspora possibility, but not São
Paulo Brazil—
So glad to hear this Rosemarie! I’ll get my registration in. Love the
location!
Debbie
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:27 PM Rosemarie Capodicci
wrote:
> Hi All,
> Just wanted to let you all know that I will be presenting a two hour
> Portuguese Research class as the DAR Ancestor Round-up on Jan
Hi Brian,
As Cheri said, Family Finder on FTDNA.com let’s you upload your My heritage
DNA for free. Start there because you’ll increase your matches that may
have only tested on Ancestry and 23andMe, etc.
I haven’t figured out which of my family members’s DNA records I should pay
the $19 to
Wonderful thread and discussion everyone. I have been so impressed with
the literacy and skills that are being shown through this search back in
time for my husbands ancestors from São Miguel and Madeira.
D
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Ângela Loura wrote:
> An interview about 'mestras':
This naming of the women issue is why it is so helpful to have the
baptismal and marriage records. Women generally had their first name and
a religious name, but didn’t use their father’s surname. So Thera are tons
of Anna de Jesus or Maria da Conceçao names out there.
Here is a list from
Bill,
I am in awe of both your ability to ferret these out and your willingness
to help new searchers. You made it possible to get me started last year
and I am so grateful for that. Thank you again.
Debbie
On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 3:36 AM Bill Seidler wrote:
> Hello Toni and welcome to the
I have a Luis Souza’s son change his Surname to Luiz/Luis in the mid 1800s
on São Miguel. From the Ponta Delgada area of San Miguel in the town of
São Roque ( I believe the town was previously called something else). The
Souzas went back generations there.
Debbie
Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
One of the best things about Family Tree DNA is that you can upload DNA
from any site for free. To open more services it costs only $19. I only
paid for the extra on the person I needed more info from.
After doing some major searching for US ancestors, I found that my siblings
and my parents
Yes, to GEDMatch. My husband’s grandparents were from São Miguel and
Madeira and Brazil.I wish more people downloaded their DNA to
GEDMatch. I also have gotten good info from FTDNA that has been the most
helpful as is this group. I will look for your number.
Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
Debbie
I'll start saving my pennies. It was such a worthwhile beginning last
time. I will be ready for more advanced thinking in 2021.
Deb
PS— for those who’ve never come, shared rooms, wonderful cafeteria lunches,
and extra Ancestry privileges make this very economical and a valuable
research time
ist (on Terceira) or Joao Ventura, the computer guy (in
> Germany).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:48 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonc
João Ventura,
This news is thrilling! I have been so impressed by the information about
the people and governance of the Azores. This conference sounds like it
concerns the understanding of how those cultural and political ideas
evolved.
If I am allowed to ask, is this at all related to the
it out.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>&
Hi Linda,
I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never
found the actual articles she wrote. If you have copies, may we have
access to them? Will Eloise give us permission?
Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.
I can help
Gordon, that is so sad. I’d love the info too. Linda, I will try to find
her articles and share them.
Thanks.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:17 PM Gordon soares wrote:
> My maternal grandfather was placed on the road
> on Sao Miguel 1868 Dec 8. I have been to the
> roda. I would appreciate
I also wondered about the amount of immigration and the expostas during
that time. On the Portuguese Hawaiian Genealogy Facebook page a recent
visitor to São Miguel heard this account: In approximately 1870 an envoy of
Californian orange growers visited São Miguel to learn about the successful
Hi All,
I've been doing pretty well with google translate, but this marriage record
has so many people listed and I want to be sure of the relationships and
names. I believe this may show that the Luiz surname was taken from the
grandfather's FIRST name-- instead of his Souza surname. What do
Congrats, Bill! At the very beginning of settlement of the Azores they
were there.
Debbie
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bill Seidler wrote:
> This is kind of milestone record for me. It is the oldest marriage record
> for my direct ancestors I have seen so far. It is also the first
My brother in law and his family were so glad to know when I found out that
because he was born on St Hilary’s Day he got named Hilary. I know Hilary
Jr. and Hilary Mendonca III will be so glad to know it was a common name in
the Azores, lol. They skipped passing the name to the great grandson.
Thank you, Mary!
Debbie
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:20 PM Mary Bordi wrote:
> See the one of the alternate meanings of “germano”.
>
> :)
>
> Mary
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2019, Margaret Vicente
> wrote:
>
>> You’re welcome!
>>
>>
>>
>> The file should include a page with the Court’s
Vogais is the other term that was not translated correctly. Margaret,
what does it mean? My spellcheck changed it in my earlier email. It
goes where the line was in the google translation.
Glad for the correct Germanos translation. Does that term at all connect
with the similar surname
ibeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:01 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, TOM. IT IS A JOURNEY. I recently helped someone for the first time
>> on the Hawaiian Portuguese FB site. I was so proud that I
Oh, TOM. IT IS A JOURNEY. I recently helped someone for the first time on
the Hawaiian Portuguese FB site. I was so proud that I could finally help
someone else.
I do have a question for everyone. Does Domestic on a marriage record
after the wife’s name mean they came from that place? I was
We all need to make a column on our cheat sheet for new terms.
:) Debbie
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:19 AM JR wrote:
> You will see it more often in the pre- 1750 records. Thanks to Manoel
> Cesar Furtado who taught it to me!
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 12:06:46 PM UTC-4, rcapodc
Can you move into the marriage records of those illegitimate children and
see who they listed as their parents? Possibly even passports? It seems
like they would have knowledge of the married man.
Debbie
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:12 AM Margaret Vicente
wrote:
> Hello Sandra,
>
>
>
> In
It’s a case of such beautiful writing that you can’t make it out. That’s
almost worse than too much vino!
Deb
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:46 PM Cheri Mello wrote:
> I need a 2nd opinion on the maternal grandfather, 9 lines from the bottom:
>
>
Very interesting. I wonder how many needed that form!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:07 PM Sandra Valine Dauer
wrote:
> Today I learn of a new form: Application to Take Oath of Allegiance to
> the United States under the Act of June 25, 1936, as amended, and form of
> such oath. On
My goodness, Doreen. This is worse than Cherie’s scribble scrabble! The
words Cunha Coelho jump out at me, later on I see Coelho again. And I
think he wrote at least 5 words in English. Did they put parent names in
in the 1600s?
On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:13 AM wrote:
> The groom is
I was so hoping it meant I finally found their first child, lol. :) I will
hunt obits, now for lists of all the children. Thank you both for all of
the help in SLC!
Thanks.
Debbie
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 8:19 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
That’s awesome, Cheri!
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:25 PM Cheri Mello wrote:
> Try this:
> https://sites.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/finding-your-portuguese-8.html
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca,
So interesting, Margaret! I knew there should be a reason. :)
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:52 AM Margaret Vicente
wrote:
> Rosemarie,
>
>
>
> There is historical evidence as to why. To give you a general idea:
>
>
>
> The Liberal war or The War of the Two Brothers during 1830-1832.
>
> In
Great find, Rosemarie. It would be interesting to figure out the reason!
Debbie
On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 10:36 AM Rosemarie Capodicci
wrote:
> I have been proofreading the Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge Deaths for 1800--1911
> and have found many Sao Miguel people in the there. Here are a few:
> 3 Feb
I recall something about the governor’s wife taking over indexing on her
terms. Joao Ventura had the info and shared it with the recent workshop in
Escalon. He may know more.
Debbie
On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 3:46 PM Rosemarie Capodicci
wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just received this email with info
Bob,
I’d take the Azores any day. Where wil you visit? Luckily, I may make SLC
which thrills me.
Debbie
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 12:16 PM Cheri Mello wrote:
> Hi Bob L,
>
> Maybe next time. When I negotiated with the hotel last fall, they didn't
> have the availability for our group until
Thank you Cheri for double checking the legalities. I’ve appreciated twice
in the past when you stopped me from making the same mistake. I’m not sure
I know what is allowed completely, but it helps that you know.
Debbie
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:00 PM Gustavo Martins
wrote:
> Please, does
Doreen,
Where did you locate the royal lines? I would be interested in seeing them
if they are accurate.
Debbie.
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:38 AM wrote:
> My last question was not clear. When I said Wiki I mean the articles and
> the diagrams they have for the royal lines.
>
>
>
> Sent from
Hi Bill!
You have done this to get me started, too. What makes it so quick for you
to get results? Is it because you read Portuguese? São Miguel, for
example, has so many villages. Do you look from one to the next for the
whole island?
It amazes me that you are so fast with something that is
This has been so interesting. I had no idea that the Catholic Church had
such a well-used system for dealing with foundlings.
The google translate option makes this amazing! I’m off to Joao Ventura’s
Azores Workshop this weekend and it will be a big help. (Cheri, if that
grandbaby arrives
Fascinating, Cheri.
Thanks,
Debbie
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 7:40 PM Cheri Mello wrote:
> Repost for Debbie Mendonca, jessdebmendonca at gmail.com
>
> <>
>
> Answer: In this case, the person tested with FTDNA. FTDNA uses swabs. You
> swab the inside of your cheek and put the swab into the vial
Deb,
Report back about how it worked to do it yourself.
Debbie
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:00 PM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Angela, thank you.
>
> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!*
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2019, 8:18:31 PM PDT,
Blessed Easter to all.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 1:21 PM EMIL SILVEIRA
wrote:
> Happy Easter to all my cousins! Known and Unknown as of this point in my
> research.
>
>
> Emil
>
>
>
> Researching: Faial, Pico, Sao Jorge, Terceira, Brazil, United States and
> Canada.
>
>
Araujo is a really common Portuguese name. Many in Brazil as well as
Portugal—all places— use it.
Luz has started to appear in some questions about surname
Luis/Luiz/Lewis/Louis which I follow. Luz confuses me as a last name, but
I’ve seen it as a first name. Are the people who assume Luz is
forced to
>> be baptized? Anybody know?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Debbie,
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may
>> be able to shed some ligh
Tell us what the Ancestor Charts are; should we know about them?
Debbie
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:18 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> *The Grandees* delves into the lives of the Sephardim and their historic
> accomplishments, illuminating the
So unusual. Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on
slavery in Portugal. I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.
I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it. Can anyone
explain?
Debbie
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel <
I did delete the shared file from my google drive so no one can download it
from there.
Can you delete my entire post from this thread? Apparently I can’t delete
myself.
Debbie
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:08 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheri,
&
Sam,
I had to send the file to myself by email and then I could make a google
doc to save it. I used my iPhone. I could try sharing it with you and let
you save it to your computer. Not sure whether you would need to open it
in excel or just save it as an excel file once you have it.
Debbie.
I just have to pipe up and say the Cheri would call her Maria da scribble
scrabble. She makes this journey so human and fun. Thank you, Cheri!
Debbie
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:49 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
Angela, I had to get that translated. :)
“A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from
previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in
subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion
often were not nicknames and,
Looks like Pavoã to me. It is an uncommon surname that is most prevelant
in Brazil. One resource said it is the female version of Paul.
I found this too:
Portuguese (pavão): nickname from pavão ‘peacock’, probably denoting
someone who was proud or self-important. Compare Pavon.
Debbie
On Thu,
David Perry,
In my family it’s all of the Joaquims! That we can all locate our ancestors
is absolutely amazing under these conditions!
:•)
Debbie
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:28 PM David Perry wrote:
> These folks, Andre and Anna are my grandparents. Their son, Jose is
> my ancestor.
Hi Cherie,
How often do you do the Utah class? My passion for Jesse’s ancestry
wouldn’t make sense if I miss the birth of his new descendant. :)
Can I sign up at the last minute? If the little guy comes early I may be
able to sneak away. He is due on June 24th. This Grammy wants to be in
So how did it all end, y’all? Was the baptism and birth two days
following the marriage? I felt the dates matched, but was not sure
whether everyone came to consensus on that.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 8:30 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Can
n, Mar 17, 2019 at 10:02 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill, you’ve done it! Thank you So much. As a note for others, on one
>> obscure record in all my searching, there was a mention of an Anna Maria de
>> Jesus. She was
Bill, you’ve done it! Thank you So much. As a note for others, on one
obscure record in all my searching, there was a mention of an Anna Maria de
Jesus. She was christened Maria, then. She must have been an only child,
then, which made the searching more difficult. AND I FINALLY HAVE A
Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA
Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event took
place on 19 Dec 1898. The record is in Brazil marriages:
São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW
The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim
Hi,
I find it helpful to just type your partial translation into google
translate:
Manoel son of Pedro do Conde Sodre and of [Agada Mejeo?] Of Dona Barbara de
Mello Parochiano of [?] Living on the Victory Road on the 10th of
September, one thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and [foy?]
Sounds like a nightmare, Gordon.
Is it possible you made her a collaborator instead of a guest on your
ancestry tree? If so, she actually could change your tree. However,
removing her means you can take back control. Change your password.
So many people don’t understand how varied a 4th
While they both translate to hidden, as in refuse to name; oculto
definition includes not known. Could that be the difference?
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM Leonor Bertoni
wrote:
> Hi Sam,
> I have wondered about all these terms as well. I have found that when the
> priest says
And Now Ancestry has all of the new possible ancestors on ThruLines. I
can tell just by glancing at what they’ve gotten wrong by my data that the
entire list is going to muddy up the waters. My husband’s Portuguese side
was already so hard to decipher and now comes this new”help.”
For my
Would they baptize someone after the fact? I know of someone who is being
married that is jumping through hoops for the Catholic Church because it is
important to his future wife.
Just a thought.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:06 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com>
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