Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'
I'll just run this by everyone again If you wish to talk about personal images use the example of adults, a spouse for example. Or personal information. Involving children is like using the word Nazi, it is designed to close down debate, because of the moral panic surrounding the issue. Yep, absolutely David. Using a real world example of something I have actually done in the last two weeks that used the existing copyright law framework and Internet distribution is clearly an attempt to stifle your debate and restrict your freedom rather than actually test your argument. Let me be clear, I wouldn't want to impose upon you in any way, please feel free to continue to dismiss any example that doesn't fit into your world view. m - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'
I suspect you can trust your family, friends etc to respect your wishes, and you can limit the distribution through trust. Images of children can be sourced for advertising without having to resort to using private images. So your basic answer is that in a world without copyright, instead of me being allowed to say Hey, I know you *could* just download this straight off the internet and reuse it however you want, but I'd really rather you didn't, the onus is instead on me to personally vouch for the distribution of my photos on a person-by-person basis and just hope for the best from anyone I don't know who wants a picture of a child? If you want to write software code, and are happy for people to take it away and modify it and do what they want with it, then fine, I'm not stopping you. The output of my work is writing and wireframes and designs. I'd rather someone didn't just reproduce all of my blog or my presentations or my wireframe ideas and pass them off as their own or make money from them without my permission. So why do you want to stop me expressing that wish? You can quote as many bits of historical text from the 1800s as you like, but it doesn't stop you sounding like an arrogant prick who thinks he has more right to determine what should happen to the things I produce than I do. m - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice]
For me one of the interesting things is the upside that at a stroke you circumvent all of the IT security headache for remote workers - they can access their documents from anywhere there is a web connection and you let Google handle the security. On the downside, you let Google handle the security and place all your business sensitive documents about how you plan to compete with them on their servers ;-) 2009/4/26 John O'Donovan john.odono...@bbc.co.uk: It's an interesting trend...probably old news now but the Telegraph went Google Apps last year as well... http://www.itpro.co.uk/604644/telegraph-swaps-microsoft-office-for-google-apps Cheers, jod From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Martin Belam Sent: Sun 26/04/2009 00:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice] If you are an information architect; who are the information civil engineers? ;-) They sit next to the information chimney-sweeps - mostly small children we pluck from librarian school and beat regularly with thesauri So how many people have *actually* moved off an MS app to an open source app. And more to the point, who on earth thought using Notes was a good idea!! On the first point I think Charles has the right figure. I think we are meant to have something like the largest networked hub of Macs in Europe. Pretty much all journalists and newspapers production staff are on Macs. You can see our rows and rows of Macs in this picture http://twitpic.com/3e9l2 @jackschofield posted via Twitter On the second point, we are supposed to be migrating off it soon. I hope. all the best, martin 2009/4/25 Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com: Martin If you are an information architect; who are the information civil engineers? ;-) So how many people have *actually* moved off an MS app to an open source app. And more to the point, who on earth thought using Notes was a good idea!! Rupert Watson www.root6.com +44 7787 554801 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 25 April 2009 23:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice] Those of us at The Guardian who are using Windows machines still have MS Office as part of our build, rather than OpenOffice. We also all have access though to a Google-Apps-For-Your-Enterprise that goes across Guardian News Media, so regardless of whether you are using Mac or Windows it is easy to share documents inside and outside of the corporate firewall. Mail serverwise on WIndows - Notes/Domino. Don't know what the set-up is on a Mac, but if you search for Jemima's tweets on the subject, you'll know it isn't popular ;-) all the best, Martin Belam Information Architect, guardian.co.uk 2009/4/25 Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com: I wonder what they are using as their mail server. Kerio, Apple or something else? Rupert Watson www.root6.com +44 7787 554801 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 25 April 2009 22:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice] impressive stuff. :) Original Message Subject: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glyn Wintle glynwin...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1603720276 whole of The Guardian has dropped MS Office Mac and gone OpenOffice. That's 1,000+ corporate seats right there. ___ ORG-discuss mailing list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://lists.openrightsgroup.org/mailman/listinfo/org-discuss -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ROOT 6 LIMITED Registered in the UK at 4 WARDOUR
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice]
Those of us at The Guardian who are using Windows machines still have MS Office as part of our build, rather than OpenOffice. We also all have access though to a Google-Apps-For-Your-Enterprise that goes across Guardian News Media, so regardless of whether you are using Mac or Windows it is easy to share documents inside and outside of the corporate firewall. Mail serverwise on WIndows - Notes/Domino. Don't know what the set-up is on a Mac, but if you search for Jemima's tweets on the subject, you'll know it isn't popular ;-) all the best, Martin Belam Information Architect, guardian.co.uk 2009/4/25 Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com: I wonder what they are using as their mail server. Kerio, Apple or something else? Rupert Watson www.root6.com +44 7787 554801 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 25 April 2009 22:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice] impressive stuff. :) Original Message Subject: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glyn Wintle glynwin...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1603720276 whole of The Guardian has dropped MS Office Mac and gone OpenOffice. That's 1,000+ corporate seats right there. ___ ORG-discuss mailing list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://lists.openrightsgroup.org/mailman/listinfo/org-discuss -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ROOT 6 LIMITED Registered in the UK at 4 WARDOUR MEWS, LONDON W1F 8AJ Company No. 03433253 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice]
If you are an information architect; who are the information civil engineers? ;-) They sit next to the information chimney-sweeps - mostly small children we pluck from librarian school and beat regularly with thesauri So how many people have *actually* moved off an MS app to an open source app. And more to the point, who on earth thought using Notes was a good idea!! On the first point I think Charles has the right figure. I think we are meant to have something like the largest networked hub of Macs in Europe. Pretty much all journalists and newspapers production staff are on Macs. You can see our rows and rows of Macs in this picture http://twitpic.com/3e9l2 @jackschofield posted via Twitter On the second point, we are supposed to be migrating off it soon. I hope. all the best, martin 2009/4/25 Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com: Martin If you are an information architect; who are the information civil engineers? ;-) So how many people have *actually* moved off an MS app to an open source app. And more to the point, who on earth thought using Notes was a good idea!! Rupert Watson www.root6.com +44 7787 554801 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 25 April 2009 23:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice] Those of us at The Guardian who are using Windows machines still have MS Office as part of our build, rather than OpenOffice. We also all have access though to a Google-Apps-For-Your-Enterprise that goes across Guardian News Media, so regardless of whether you are using Mac or Windows it is easy to share documents inside and outside of the corporate firewall. Mail serverwise on WIndows - Notes/Domino. Don't know what the set-up is on a Mac, but if you search for Jemima's tweets on the subject, you'll know it isn't popular ;-) all the best, Martin Belam Information Architect, guardian.co.uk 2009/4/25 Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com: I wonder what they are using as their mail server. Kerio, Apple or something else? Rupert Watson www.root6.com +44 7787 554801 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 25 April 2009 22:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] [Fwd: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice] impressive stuff. :) Original Message Subject: [ORG-discuss] The Guardian drops Office has gone OpenOffice Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Glyn Wintle glynwin...@yahoo.com Reply-To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org To: Open Rights Group open discussion list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1603720276 whole of The Guardian has dropped MS Office Mac and gone OpenOffice. That's 1,000+ corporate seats right there. ___ ORG-discuss mailing list org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org http://lists.openrightsgroup.org/mailman/listinfo/org-discuss -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ROOT 6 LIMITED Registered in the UK at 4 WARDOUR MEWS, LONDON W1F 8AJ Company No. 03433253 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please
Re: [backstage] Google Streetview ... UK at last
I have a fear there will be a picture of me running down the road after the car in E17 trying to get a picture for the blog! 2009/3/19 Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk: Is it rather tragic to be scanning Wood Lane in the hope that you're in a photo just because you passed the car when it was stuck in traffic? I guess so. From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 19 March 2009 08:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Google Streetview ... UK at last http://tinyurl.com/bbcgooglesm About time, really. Great with the built in compass on my G1. And now for some live data overlays? -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
If you look at what The Sun does on mobile, it seems very geared up to getting 'white van man' to spend the odd £1 or £2 when he is sitting in his van bored. It certainly isn't what you'd call traditional public service broadcasting news, but it seems very cleverly targeted at their market. all the best, martin 2009/3/16 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv: All, I've been reading this thread with great interest and it seems to sum the whole current situation up rather well and I would add stuff but I've buggered my rotator cuff (apparently). The BBC being a public service newspaper - it is certainly a long way from the days of Ceefax and three-TV-bulletins-a-day. If you were an alien and looked at the internet news sites you would need to dig very deep to understand that the BBC was somehow different, especially from outside the UK. One thing I am wondering, will News International realise that The Times brand needs a TV channel more than BSkyB does? There could be such a cost-saving my merging Sky News with The Times, giving historic paper brand an instant global news TV presence. And then there's that gizmo, the one that can deliver the Sun to white van man cheaply and reliably. 2009/3/16 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com Bingo :) Regards, Dave On 16 Mar 2009, 11:45 AM, Robert (Jamie) Munro rjmu...@arjam.net wrote: Kevin Anderson wrote: funding - the licence fee. Commercial newspapers are finding their reade... I think that news.bbc.co.uk is already a public service newspaper - albeit one without a print edition. Robert (Jamie) Munro -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC becomes the British Botnet Corporation
I could be wrong, but my guess is that this episode had some pretty heavy compliance forms to fill in. Plenty of documentary films about nefarious stuff have filmed people doing nefarious stuff when they could have waded in to stop it.. It is a grey area for legal I'm sure. But my initial reaction to this is to ask whether as a tech community we are going to jump on the BBC for making a programme about the dangers of botnets and using one in a controlled fashion, or maybe ask some hard questions about how botnets get financed and are able to bank the money they earn? all the best, martin 2009/3/12 Sam Mbale smb...@mpelembe.net: The idea that botnets — networks of innocent PCs surreptitiously hijacked by evildoers and turned to nefarious purposes — pose a security threat both to computer owners and attack targets should be pretty common knowledge by now. The BBC tech show “Click,” however, felt its viewers could use a graphic reminder, and in putting one together, managed to stumble into some decidedly gray legal territory. Full story http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2009/03/bbc-becomes-the-british-botnet-corporation.html I saw the demo on the 6 o'clock news today, and I did wonder about the legal implications. rgds Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] News Radar
Looks great but shame launching yesterday seemed to break the main site ;-) More seriously, I think it is a really interesting application of the 'river of news' UI. My tuppence would be: * Make the category name in the right-hand site a link through to the index page for that category. * I'm sure you'd appreciate that it would be a way to scrape the entire content from the site in seconds, but I can haz RSS? * Some sort of selection mechanism that allowed you to only view certain categories e.g. you could make a Sci-Tech-Environment type page or a Business only page all the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide
Is this the worst bit of maths on BBC News so far this year? Figures actually come from Google no? http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/powering-google-search.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Linguistic discrimination?
Since the BBC is more generally accused of being pro-Chavez because it enjoys his anti-US position, maybe this is just a bit of balance? More seriously, it does raise wider issues about how Internet access and language skew online representation. The BBC is always very clear that polls online are de facto self-selecting, and therefore cannot be held to be an accurate measure of public opinion. CNN labels their votes as not scientific. Not all operators are as scrupulous. all the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Public Transport APIs
Matthew Somerville is your man 2008/11/19 Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Doing some research into what feeds/APIs are available from public transport operators and related organisations in the UK - any pointers, anyone? Ta Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Greedy BBC Blocks External Links
I don't think it is evil, and as I've pointed out on their blog and on Sphinn, since Patrick at Blogstorm himself applies nofollow to all outbound links it is a little rich to be complaining that the BBC doesn't provide 'trusted' links. Interesting point about how Google can be expected to run a trusted link based algorithm in the future, but lets not forget it was the search engines that concocted nofollow themselves, and Google is these days notorious for penalising sites in the rankings that it 'believes' are displaying paid links that are not clearly marked as advertising. I've blogged a little about the Blogstorm post as well - http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2008/11/bbc_news_clumsy_linking.php cheers, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Chrome
I see this is for Windows users only. I for one want to register my outrage etc etc. ;-) 2008/9/2 Sam Mbale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thanxs for the update On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Tyson Key [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I haven't seen the links yet, but don't they want to make something like Unity or the ATT browser? (But with an InPrivate-esque feature). Tyson On 9/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to have just been posted: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html Best wishes, Dominic. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com Fight Internet Censorship! http://www.eff.org ~ Open-Source Community, and Technology Testbed: http://www.house404.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Film Reviews
Just a quick idea. How about a page on bbc.co.uk noting sections that have closed? I think that is called the 'Press Release' after the govmt/DCMS/Ofcom/BBC Trust/Uncle Tom Cobbly review of the BBC website that seems to have to be carried out out every 18 months... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever. I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
Yes, but it was no surprise that the first Service Licence review was yet another in-depth look at online, and not BBC One, was it? 2008/4/30 Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tom, You wrote: the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. That's right, existing services aren't put through a PVT -- that's what the service licence is for, isn't it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk_s ervice_licence.html The Trust are actually reviewing the online service licence right now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk.h tml Ready to be published in Spring 2008, ie any day now, I suppose. Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 30 April 2008 12:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen New BBC services now have to go through a market impact assessment to ensure they are not anti competitive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/public_value_test/#part-5 but existing BBC services (ie everything other than iPlayer and BBC HD) have not been and will not be subject to such rigour... the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer email updates, RSS
I've got a hunch the answer is going to involve the word Majordomo... martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Identity/trust/reputation project savingtheinternetwithhate.com
(From http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html which I found hilarious and may be of interest to Ruby on Rail developers :-) I *loved* that, but I wasn't convinced I'd ever hire him and expect him to respect an NDA after the event - which maybe doesn't show he is a good a business analyst as he thinks he is ;-) all the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Gnash] Adobe EULA
I think 10% or 20% time is a great thing to allow not just developers, but many areas of the BBC, and I wished it had happened whilst I was there. Just a shame that if people get to know more widely about it you can be sure that the press will be asking that everyone gets a 10% or 20% rebate on their licence fee! all the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]
I used to face this kind of question when doing the analysis of search logs at the BBC to produce the popular searches right now list. Obviously I used to filter out obscenities, but, for example, something like 'big brother' or the 'x-factor' would generate a lot of searches on bbc.co.uk, but were not BBC programme - so should the BBC 'censor' what they were showing back to the user as user activity? Personally I would rather the most read/most emailed reflected exactly what the user was doing, and wasn't most emailed stories from the last 7 days excluding the also in the news section because we are the BBC and we want our readers to look very serious all the time m - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Broadcasters to launch joint VoD service
An excellent quote which I will endeavour to use in 2008 every time the zealots start drowning out the conversation. though I suspect you will be met with similar content to almost the first reaction to that article: It's sad to see that Linus Torvalds, one of the leading figures in the Free Software movement, doesn't really care for freedom. Damn him, and his freedom to express an opinion... m - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
The difference is that the BBC could drop the probability to zero by not requiring the use of proprietary software... Or by closing the list if it was deemed to be an unhelpful echo chamber that wasn't beneficial to the BBC for the amount of money spent on the backstage.bbc.co.uk project m - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Muddy Boots on Backstage
I would start by constructing Acts of Parliament by Wiki for a start. If that isn't a job creation scheme for lawyers I don't what is... May it please the court to get back to the matter in hand, is a blaspheme against the Flying Spaghetti Monster still a crime if it is was spoken in LOLCAT by a professed Jedi who had invoked Convention 15 of the Shadow Proclamation as defined by the 2009 Act of Parliament Known as Thursday? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Muddy Boots on Backstage
With internet speeds increasing these online systems are very useful for the average user who sends emails, writes letters, etc, as they take away the burden of looking after software and keeping it up to date. Or another way of looking it, if you keep building systems with the expectation that people will have an always-on, persistent fast connection - you look out people like me still on 31.2 Kbps dial-up... But in this case, API would easily trump source code and dictionary/thesarus with patches IMHO - API could react within minutes to a sudden change in the significance of a term. Who would want to wait 15 days lag for a patch to keep switching McClaren from being primarily about Formula One, Steve or Malcolm - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
So what you are really saying is that as long as it is not generally known that saving streams is easy to do, then this is fig leaf to placate the rights holders. To be less glib than I have been on here recently, erm, pretty much that is it. *I* know you can rip streams to files to keep for ever pretty easily. *You* all know you can rip streams to files to keep for ever pretty easily, probably easier and quicker than I could manage. The key people at the BBC know that too. But so long as it is *sufficiently* too much effort or too much of a secret for joe schmoe in the street, the rights-holders are kept happy. There was a great comment on The Register article about how the iPlayer was a waste of money - It is still frustrating that instead of using their negotiating power and influence to try to make the producers see some sense, the BBC resorted to the easy option of spending millions on a useless product Because obviously, the producers were so desperate to give their products away for free it was only the BBC negotiating stance of *not* giving stuff away for free that was a factor ;-) As I've said before, look at the radio podcasts. Where the BBC *can* give stuff away for free in a format that is economical to deliver to the *majority* of users it will. Nobody thinks DRM is safe - it just has to be safe enough. Nobody has sold streaming as safe for content holders, but it is safe enough... And there are still rights holders for whom the DRM'd download solution isn't good enough - that is why not every programme broadcast by the BBC is in iPlayer - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
This is a particular feature of Internet Explorer 7, I find. Google Reader does the same as well -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
I'm more interested in Usability and Value For Money for Licence Fee payers. Does anyone have any kind of gauge of what percentage of portable music players will actually play files encoded in Vorbis out of the box without either a firmware upgrade or installing software on them? On 20/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* wasn't going to be good enough for some. Martin, I am not interested in for free. I'm happy to pay money for things I value, and often do. I'm interested in freedom, and I'm sorry that the difference between libre and gratis, as the two unrelated concepts are known in French, hasn't been clear to you. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here, the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in libre not gratis, so we don't want anything to do with software or codecs that involve patents, pretty much at least 80%+ of the people who own portable music players in the UK are going to turn around and say Chuffing hell, lads, why doesn't that work on my machine? I mean, I *paid* for all this stuff to be made by the BBC. Who are you to tell me which machines I should have to buy. I mean, isn't that the argument for the BBC making the iPlayer work in Linux - because a market is there and so the BBC should support it in the interest of universal access? Or, they could just make 120+ radio programmes available free to download, for nothing, for people to keep for as long as they like, and re-encode into any format they want - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* wasn't going to be good enough for some. [throws up hands in despair and backs way from the internet] On 19/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/11/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody has kindly corrected me off-list with regards to the 'trial' of podcasts the iplayer PVT gave us regulatory permission to do non drm audio downloads in April Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered audio (ie, Ogg Vorbis) :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Use of Tinyurl in Emails
though i suspect the problem (and usage of tinyurl) is that to get one of those nice urls hooked up, you gotta email someone a request, who needs to get approval from a manager Heh, heh, that's not even the half of it ;-) m On 05/11/2007, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Nov 2007, at 12:58, David Greaves wrote: Adam wrote: What does everyone else think. bbc.com/2e5u8e David PS it's smaller than tinyurl and it's a use for bbc.com too... (unless it's used internationally) 'course, bbc.co.uk has had some kind of redirect magic for a while: http://bbc.co.uk/zanelowe/ though i suspect the problem (and usage of tinyurl) is that to get one of those nice urls hooked up, you gotta email someone a request, who needs to get approval from a manager probably not all that efficient when all you want to do is send an email out and go home (or to the pub!) - james -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://imaj.es/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer usage
hmm, IANAL but me reckons iplayer usage numbers would probably fall under that catch-all its about broadcasting and the way we do our business, innit? FOI get out clause that keeps the Balen Report out of the public eye On 18/10/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Lindsay wrote: I went back and noticed that the original poster's question wasn't answered: are there any plans to reveal statistics on iPlayer usage? http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/ You could always ask directly... :-) You could ask ... I would be after Jana Bennet's BlackBerry records first... S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone SDK news
Simon, that sounds like a terribly restricting product that uses proprietary technology and potentially distorts the market for mobile phone technology - have you cleared this with the BBC Trust? I expect there will be questions in the House and a demo outside TVC if you don't ;-) On 18/10/2007, Simon Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally we might be able to do things propery! We've been working on a podcast browser for iPhone which is in alpha at the moment http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/directory/iphone/ -- note: requires Safari to view, or an iphone/touch obviously! S From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Deutsch Sent: 17 October 2007 17:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPhone SDK news I'd say that Apple have a good track record of releasing things, generally when they say they will. The only major product I can recall not seeing the light of day was Copland, over 10 years ago. - martin On 10/17/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/2007, Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/ Native third party applications on the iPhone (and iPod touch) will be enabled via an SDK as of February 2008. There's a name for that .. vapourware - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Voting data ideas
I was in a class of four people in the sixth form that did a Statistics A-Level There's a statistics joke in there somewhere but it is too early for me. Just to be clear here, the BBC has strong editorial guidelines that online votes are to be effectively taken with a pinch of salt, and not used with editorial prominence in other media i.e. you can't on the News say And 79% of people prefered crisps to chocolate in the results of our online poll. They are always meant to be called 'votes' rather than 'polls' as well, as polls implies some sort of scientific methodology, rather than a self-selecting bunch of web users. This doesn't, of course, stop producers getting it wrong from time to time http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/onguide/interacting/ onlinevoting.shtml And I don't think Vijay is being too paranoid about BBC releases personal data! scare stories cropping up either - look at the fuss made over the release of the AOL search log data that wasn't properly made anonymous m From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 26 September 2007 22:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Voting data ideas My apologies... I was in a class of four people in the sixth form that did a Statistics A-Level On 26/09/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/09/2007, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leaving the last digit from the last octet out would be fine, though? Then you could group by IP addresses for purposes like fraud checking and suchlike. I'm sure the BBC sites always say that standard information such as browser and IP address will be collected whenever you submit information to the server, so that's a fairly standard get-out clause. That's actually a really good idea, and to add to my previous email, it would certainly be intresting to see what topics inspire the most vote fraud. Having Geographic and ISP info aswell would be good. Are Northerners or Southerners more honest online? NTL customers or BT customers etc. What utter tosh. I'm sorry, but aside from the fact that you cannot determine anything at all from an IP address, because of NAT and corporate gateways and proxy servers, firewalls and so forth, it misses out the principles of: - Psephology - IP addresses might not be pebbles, but you need to understand the actual system you are considering and not make generalisations about questions not yet even asked. - Statistical weighting. Unless you do a universal poll, you should weight the incoming votes you get so that they represent the population as a whole. So, if you ask people to vote, and 25% of the voters are men, you need to weight the male votes up so they match the 50% in the population as a whole and unweight the female votes from 75% to 50%. - Secret ballots. The whole point of a secret ballot is that you do not know the votes of other people and cannot be influenced by votes already cast. This is not the case with most web, radio and telly voting where you are being encouraged to part with money, not provide a statistically correct outcome. Remember that ALL the voting where you are asked to pay for the call or text are simply revenue collection systems, not statistically valid ones. The adjudicators (on Big Brother for example) simple verify that the number of calls have been made, not the meaning of the votes. As far as I know the only systems that the BBC uses on a regular basis that are statistically valid is the popular music chart and the BARB figures. There's bugger all you can really do with an IP address, even a complete one, unless you're a malicious fellow with a botnet behind you. I know that, you know that and everyone on this list knows that, but it doesn't make as good a headline in the daily mail as BBC giving out information about your computers or BBC helps spammers then going on to detail all the evil things that can be done with a botnet... Or am I being too cynical? There is no reason why the BBC could not use a table where random values are assigned to each IP address as they are encountered - as long as a reverse look up was not published Vijay. -- Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
[backstage] Voting data ideas
Hi all, I have my BBC hat back on at the moment, and one of the things I am working on is a project to do with online voting and ratings. Part of my brief is to explore how the BBC might utilise and re-use information and data gathered via voting, and hopefully make a business case for releasing it. So, whilst trying to avoid a response along the lines of Can we have all the data, in as many different formats as possible, I wondered what kind of data would you like to play with, what formats would be handy, what time intervals, and what can you imagine doing with it. When talking about voting data I'm thinking of examples like... The Daily Mini-Quiz on the Magazine - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/default.stm Votes on local BBC sites - http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/raw/favourite_childrens_book_east_feature.s html Votes on CBBC Newsround - http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_604/newsid_6048100/6048158. stm And also things like the Player Rater http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6447317.stm (which I can't find an open example of, I think you'll have to have a look for them around 3pm on Saturday) What I'm interested in is hearing any ideas you might have about including that kind of data in prototypes, how you might track it over time or by topic and so on. Just to be clear, this isn't a trawl for your IP so I can go and get stuff built. It is so I can put into a document something along the lines of - And one of the reasons that releasing the data direct to the web is a GOOD THING and the RIGHT THING to do is that it only took n hours for the lovely BBC Backstage community to come up with x fantastic applications for the data Ideas welcome on or off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] And please don't mention the Blue Peter cat All the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Voting data ideas
. The eight out of 10 cat-owners who expressed a preference are now just too clumsy to be bothered with. When Ant and Dec, or that breathy girl from The X Factor, announce that 'the nation has chosen', they skip the bit about 'the bunch of sad gits who stay home on Saturdays and waste money on premium-rate telephone calls has chosen' (self included, by the way). We devour survey results, careless of method: last week, a poll 'revealed' that two out of three people are unhappy. Now, leaving aside that I'd give teeth to see how the questions were phrased, what this actually meant was that two out of three people who have nobody more interesting to talk to than a pollster are unhappy, a truth, I'd have thought, by definition. Moreover, in their loneliness, these people selected themselves as surely as throngs select themselves for focus groups. Those who make money from progressively fashionable focus groups boast of their cross-sections of age, sex, race and so forth. But, again, they overlook what really matters: that their guinea pigs are aliens from a distant planet where a few tenners and a sticky bun are considered a sane reward for the mind-numbing tedium that is an evening's focus group. Even a jury's verdict is likely, now, to be the opinion of a self-selected sample. Where once, in sterner times, a cross-section was reasonably achievable as everyone did his duty, these days, limousine liberals are adept at deferring jury service, leaving the defendant's fate largely in the hands of the unemployed and the unemployable who select themselves or, rather, fail to deselect themselves and are about as socially representative as Diddly Squat. Self-selected samples, by and large, appear to relish their day in the sun. But while markets and manipulators invest in research, surveys, psychology, profiles and debriefings from the rising cacophony, it is a curiosity that, quite possibly, the more we listen to what some people say, the less we know about what - or even if - most people think. On 26/09/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have my BBC hat back on at the moment, and one of the things I am working on is a project to do with online voting and ratings. Part of my brief is to explore how the BBC might utilise and re-use information and data gathered via voting, and hopefully make a business case for releasing it. So, whilst trying to avoid a response along the lines of Can we have all the data, in as many different formats as possible, I wondered what kind of data would you like to play with, what formats would be handy, what time intervals, and what can you imagine doing with it. When talking about voting data I'm thinking of examples like... The Daily Mini-Quiz on the Magazine - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/default.stm Votes on local BBC sites - http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/raw/favourite_childrens_book_east_feature.s html Votes on CBBC Newsround - http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_604/newsid_6048100/6048158. stm And also things like the Player Rater http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6447317.stm (which I can't find an open example of, I think you'll have to have a look for them around 3pm on Saturday) What I'm interested in is hearing any ideas you might have about including that kind of data in prototypes, how you might track it over time or by topic and so on. Just to be clear, this isn't a trawl for your IP so I can go and get stuff built. It is so I can put into a document something along the lines of - And one of the reasons that releasing the data direct to the web is a GOOD THING and the RIGHT THING to do is that it only took n hours for the lovely BBC Backstage community to come up with x fantastic applications for the data Ideas welcome on or off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] And please don't mention the Blue Peter cat All the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Kreta -- was: Re: Introducing Chipwrapper search for UK newspapers
Perhaps that is where all my bandwidth went... m On 02/09/07, Richard Smedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 00:50 +0300, Martin Belam wrote: Yeah, mostly Pipes to process the RSS feeds, and the Google Custom Search Engine. There's also some very crude Perl of my own to add Newspaper: Some newspaper headline into the RSS before it gets passed to Feedburner, and to make the 'headline buzz' feed. Apologies on and off list for delay in replying to people. At the moment in Crete I'm getting 7.2 Kbps online in 30 second bursts. Ho ho ho Not at LBW [1] then? I'm sure they'll have the fattest pipe on the island. - Richard [1] http://lbw2007.hellug.gr/index.php/Main_Page - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Introducing Chipwrapper search for UK newspapers
One of the problems I had with the datestamps is that certain newspapers CMS systems date all of their entries to being published on January 1st 1971 or some such arbitrary figure - but possibly I can do some more work on the Pipes. m On 31/08/2007, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin, this is cool, and I was immediately thinking of feeding the headlines to twitter using twitterfeed. However, some of the feeds, e.g. http://feeds.feedburner.com/chipwrapper (the chipwrapper uk newspaper headlines) don't seem to contain any date stamps, so won't work with twitterfeed which needs the time stamps to know if an item is new and/or has been posted previously. Any chance you could add this? Cheers, Mario. On 8/30/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I wanted to introduce to the list a site I've been working on, and invite you to have a play with the feeds being produced, and maybe help make some new tools for it. Called Chipwrapper, it is intended to be a hub for searching purely UK newspapers and UK news sources. http://www.chipwrapper.co.uk OK, I know, I know, the Chipwrapper metaphor doesn't work once you add TV news. Originally it was strictly newspapers only, but it just seemed weird to be searching UK news and not see links from the BBC, ITN and Sky. The homepage is a headline aggregator and a Google Custom Search Engine which only brings back results from the major UK newspapers, plus the TV news giants. astonishingly long link which will break in your mail client http://www.google.com/custom?cx=003036505619348485408%3Aminejdg5pkecof=AH%3Aleft %3BALC%3A%2366%3BBGC%3A%23FF%3BCX%3AChipwrapper%3BDIV%3A%23BB%3BFORID%3A0%3BGALT%3A%23003300%3BGFNT%3A%2366%3BGIMP%3A%2366%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.chipwrapper.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fchipwrapper-logo-small.jpg %3BLC%3A%2366%3BLH%3A35%3BLP%3A1%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.chipwrapper.co.uk%3BT%3A%2333%3BVLC%3A%23002200%3Bq=BBC+backstage /astonishingly long link which will break in your mail client I plan to add regional and local newspapers to the results later in the year. There are Opensearch plugins and a custom Google Toolbar button for the service. http://www.chipwrapper.co.uk/tools/browser_search_plugins.shtml http://www.chipwrapper.co.uk/tools/google_toolbar_buttons.shtml There are also some RSS feeds for news headlines, sport headlines and football headlines - with some rugby-flavoured stuff to come to tie-in with the upcoming world cup. http://www.chipwrapper.co.uk/tools/rss_feeds.shtml There's also a Headline Buzz feature. It uses a longer Yahoo! Pipe which takes ten headlines for each source - http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=QKDz_ihT3BGSheQho_NLYQ_render=rss - and then analyses the most popular words. The top 7 words (at the moment) appear on the Chipwrapper homepage as the Headline Buzz links, but there is also a headline buzz RSS feed. This has all of the words (minus stop words like 'the', 'of' etc) that appear more than 3 times in the set of headlines in popularity order. It refreshes every hour. http://feeds.feedburner.com/chipwrapper-buzz There's a page on the site about making DIY stuff, with links to all the feeds and the original Yahoo! Pipes I've used to mash-up the newspaper content in one place. http://www.chipwrapper.co.uk/tools/make_stuff.shtml So far, apart from the cost of registering the domain and my own time, I've done everything using free (as in didn't cost me money) tools and free (as in I've republished it but am not quite sure how The Sun's lawyers are going to take it) content. There's lots of things that I've thought of, but don't have the ability and/or time to do or learn about - like mash-ups with maps, tracking headline changes over time, email alerts on topics - which maybe some of you guys and gals might want to play with? Of course, any feedback on what is there already is very welcome on or off-list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - plus does anyone know of a really good ready-to-download text file of 'stop' words, because at the moment I'm having to build it up by hand? I'm going to be in London for most of September and October with my BBC hat back on for a bit, so hopefully I might see/meet some of you at something suitably geeky during the course of that. all the best, martin -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk /archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http
Re: [backstage] A bit late
But I presume they'll make a knock-off copy on Blue Peter out of sticky-backed plastic and household waste? On 22/08/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New for Christmas 2007: Early Learning Centre presents Tomy's 'My First Interactive Media Player' £130's about average for those sought-after faddy kids' toys these days anyway, isn't it? You know, like Pogs or Tracey Islands or what have you I'm showing my age now From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 22 August 2007 09:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A bit late IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
I guess the idea is Microsoft use the BBC content (that created from licence fees) and use it to leverage their PlayReady system on multiple platforms, so the BBC can claim that the system is cross-platform, whereas people are actually asking for something that isn't owned by Bill Gates' company... s/created/commissioned/; s/people/some people/; m On 16/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does. It might not today, but its very clear what Microsoft's web-video strategy is. There was an article in The Register today about this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/16/silverlight_iplayer_playready/ What the hell does all this matter anyhow, there is no lock in. The tech is just being used to deliver the content as per spec, which it seems to be doing. Nothing is stopping the BBC ditching MS products for iPlayer at any time with a simple (automatically installed?) patch, right? No lock in? Nothing stopping the BBC ditching MS products? Let's see an iPlayer that is free software then please. I guess the idea is Microsoft use the BBC content (that created from licence fees) and use it to leverage their PlayReady system on multiple platforms, so the BBC can claim that the system is cross-platform, whereas people are actually asking for something that isn't owned by Bill Gates' company... -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
Dan Lyons is a well known Microsoft shill. Who said outing him would spoil the Fake Steve Jobs fun? Although I do still like the fact that people put serious comments in reply to the posts, kind of like writing to one of the characters in Monkey Dust to set them straight about something :-) On 15/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A view from America. http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheSecretDiaryOfSteveJobs/~3/144065882/freeta rds-attack-bbc-but-get-beaten-off.html Dan Lyons is a well known Microsoft shill. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
From /. An anonymous reader writes The future of iPlayer, the BBC's new online on-demand system for delivering content, is continuing to look bleaker. With ISPs threatening to throttle the content delivered through the iPlayer, consumers petitioning the UK government and the BBC to drop the DRM and Microsoft-only technology, and threatened legal action from the OSC, the last thing the BBC wanted to see today was street protests at their office and at the BBC Media Complex accompanied by a report issued by DefectiveByDesign about their association with Microsoft. Elsewhere in the news, more than 100,000 iPlayer sign-ups in a week ;-) /. is surely the Fox News of the tech world, no? m On 15/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems you made it to the slashdot frontpage! http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1721229 Vijay On 15/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well. When I was interviewing at about 10:45 there were 12 people there (that's when I took the photos) Ian then came down when I left and he came back and said there were about 20 people there after others joined. m On 15/8/07 16:54, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whereas, looking at the photos indicates that 20 is an exaggeration of about 100%. Cheers, R. On 8/15/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More likely, Organisers put the turnout at 800... R. On 8/15/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably on the news we'll get the traditional 10+% rule of Organisers put the turnout at 20 people, whilst The Metropolitan Police said 2-and-a-half-people turned up? cheers, martin On 14/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/08/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester wrote: Yep we were there along with about another 20 people. So were they making a point or trying to make a difference? I believe the additional media coverage of the unconscionable restrictions in the iPlayer will make a difference. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
How I enjoyed weekly update meetings with the BBC's message board team. The cycle generally went like this. Week 1: The message boards are knacked and overloaded, we are going to put some extra servers in, that will double the number of messages we can handle in a day Week 2: BBC Technology / Siemens haven't put the servers in yet Week 3: The servers are in, and we have doubled our capacity to handle messages. Week 4: Now that the boards are working better and are stable, we are getting three times as many messages as we ever did before Go back to Week 1 :-) m On 06/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nico Morrison On 30/07/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/30/07, Nico Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But for heavens sake BBC - put a proper forum up, not this manky 'messageboard'. The manky messageboard is the BBC's DNA system, which talks correctly to the single sign-on service, and does other useful fancy things. There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes; much of what I see of the BBC's current web infrastructure (now I'm inside) is very Web0.5, but that's being sorted. Don't panic. (That previous sentence was, I note, an unintended pun, given that 'DNA' is actually based on the H2G2 engine.) There are several scalable, user-friendly forum software packages, with the facility to login externally from another sign-on service. They can also connect to web pages news/articles - often called 'talkback', much superior to blog comments, as they connect news articles to an automatic forum topic and the article can also be founs from the forum. For many years in a previous life, I worked on the predecessor to the DNA engine, Howerd 2 (named after Frankie Howerd because a funny thing happened on the way to the forum - you might guess that Howerd 2 was the successor to Howerd) One of the problems the BBC has had with its forum software in the past is the /sheer/ scalability that such software has needed in the past - it's far more than most people imagine. Millions of users, at one point nearly 100 different themes, a requirement to moderate across different forums easily. And ultimately software that doesn't crash every lunch time under the enormous weight of board office workers :) Last time it was looked at, external software was looked at and discounted because nothing was scalable enough - hence a bespoke solution was built. Indeed most large sites of the scale of the BBC have had bespoke solutions over the years. In the meantime the forum industry has continued to improve their offering. Next time there's a requirement for a software refresh of the forum software, then it might just be that an off the shelf offering is suitable. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting
Again, who (that is assuming sanity) buys the ridiculously overpriced monstrosity that is Sky+ ? As is often the case on this list we seem to be leaps and bounds ahead of the general learning curve of the general public. Sky+ might not make sense to the sane people here, but they have shifted a not inconsiderable 2.37m units of it - around 25% of their subscriber base have opted for it. That's the thing - most people just like technology that works, and don't care about _how_ it works, or what it _will_ or _won't_ let them do, or the philosophy behind that, because they just use the product 'as is' all the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting
From today, you will need to own a Microsoft operating system to view BBC programming on the web. This is akin to saying you must own a Sony TV set to watch BBC TV. He's quite right, because when they launched the trial of the iPlayer, the BBC shut off the cross-platform system they *used* to run that allowed you to watch hundreds of hours of BBC TV on the web on-demand for nothing ;-) cheers, martin On 31/07/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:41 +0100 31/7/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 30/07/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From time to time there has been (mostly around iPlayer) some strong criticism of how the BBC develops products. That's good. http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted August 14th seems like a date for the diary :-) Channels, IE 4? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
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Re: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com
or 'book' to download for watching later? Rather oddly the BBC Executive didn't explicitally include the functionality to bookmark future broadcasts in their submission to the BBC Trust during the Public Value Test. Consequently, the Trust decided to specifically rule out the iPlayer having that functionality available to the user - which seemed to fundamentally miss the point of the main interaction models for watching TV IMHO, as the BBC Trust doesn't outlaw anyone setting their video, PVR, or highlighting something in a listings magazine. http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2007/02/the_bbc_iplayers_odd_bookmarki_2.php all the best, martin On 27/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will it be wholly P2P? Or will it operate on a similar principle to 4OD, where you can stream now and watch on demand, or 'book' to download for watching later? - c From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Cobb Sent: 27 July 2007 09:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iplayer reviewed on mashable.com http://mashable.com/2007/07/26/bbc-iplayer-2/ p2p though? I thought it was straight downloads. Can anyone set me straight? Thanks. ___ Simon Cobb Technical Project Manager, BBC Vision (FL) BBC Future Media Technology 2507, White City, London W12 7TS T: 020 875 27968 -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
As I understand it, it is that the Kontiki client underpinning the iPlayer-library-component-thing doesn't support Vista yet all the best, martin On 27/07/07, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is Windows Vista unsupported? Windows XP is no longer the 'current' version of the operating system and hasn't been for nearly six months. Surely iPlayer should have been developed for both, or what's the point of betas and testing and bla? On 7/27/07, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 09:08, Steve Jolly wrote: Phil Winstanley wrote: Any idea what time it'll be available? This press release [1] says it'll be available from here on the 27^th : - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer When I go to that link I see a Find out more and register... link that takes me through to the signup page. I'm connecting from within the BBC though - perhaps a different page is presented to external visitors? No, that's what appeared last night. What's been launched today is an 'open, closed beta', i.e. it's still only available to users of the beta but anyone can register their interest and at some point receive an account. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
The whole point of the BBC is that it's not a commercial entity (at least domestically) Although it would find it mighty hard to put anything on the screen if it didn't have confidential commercial negotiations with the companies who rent buildings, make cameras, do transmission, provide subtitles, sell teabags etc etc all the best, Martin On 25/07/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't get anything, the FOI Act makes provision for the witholding of documentation relating to commercial negotiations. The whole point of the BBC is that it's not a commercial entity (at least domestically). Besides, if I don't ask, I won't get; if I do ask, the worst they can do is refuse me. Vijay. -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Worried about your music being pirated?
I love the fact that it takes quite a few comments before someone says the equivalent of or stick a lead in the headphone socket rather than running some complicated set of emulators and software and hardware to get the music into a different format. Stick the lead in the headphone socket every time.. :-) martin. On 05/07/07, Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always try this: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2007/07/dude-releases-his-new-album-on-nes.html Probably a bit extreme for the BBC to consider, though. (P.S., don't mention using emulators to distribute copies; it'll only upset people.) -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised
allowed to do so. The Windows Media Player and MS DRM libraries manage to fail all 3 of those tests. Which moron decided that it would be a good thing to use considering the requirement for it being platform neutral? Add to that the fact an EU court has found that WMP has already been used to restrict competition and this is adding up to either the single most incompetent software engineer in the history of the world or deliberate actions to restrict other operating systems. Which is it? Another good trick when working cross platform is to make sure you use a programming style that is portable. Do NOT call OS functions that are not defined to exist on multiple platforms. For instance calling Windows API functions would be non-portable. Calling POSIX functions would be portable as any system conforming to standards will have the same functions though the underlying implementation would vary. I do have further evidence regarding mismanagement but I can't provide it as it would influence future or current legal proceedings. Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
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Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
Gruß Gott - if I wasn't being worked like a dog on the last three days of my contract here in Austria I would have responded at some length already, but most of the points I would have made appear to have been covered already... ;-) I can give you off hand the user agent figures for all the Sony services I work on though (well, the web ones anyway) - Internet Explorer 100%, Microsoft Windows 100% - everything else gets chucked off. Not through lack of trying on my part, I should add, I have trained a parrot to sit on my shoulder chipping in with And the reason we don't support Firefox is? every five minutes during meetings here. cheers, martin On 28/03/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you read Martin Belam (hello Martin!) on the methods he used to derive these figures, you'll note that he's extremely thorough in his data analysis. http://www.currybet.net/articles/user_agents/index.php I think you should read a little levity in to Jem's use of a grin after the Linux comment! Below are the stats, taken from our Sage Analyst system (http://www.sagemetrics.com/content/sageanalyst/overview.html - about the system, currently very slow!), from the 24th of march - the most recent 24h period available. We tend to run a bit late, as, IIRC, the daily server logs run to around 5gigabytes of data, which needs to be warehoused and processed. These figures are for all visits, to all pages of the whole of bbc.co.uk, not just the homepage. Automated requests (from bots, spiders etc) are stripped from our data; as far as I know we comply with JICWEBS and IFABC standards that require this. This is done using browser string filtering, against an industry standard set of strings supplied by IFABC. I provide these OS breakdowns both as % of Total Page Views, and % of users. Unique users are deduplicated, based on Cookie data - so you should caveat that with the usual cookie churn stuff*. However, as we're looking at percentage shares in a very large (6.5million+) user sample, I think it should be considered a good indicative slice. By Page Impression Operating Systems for Mar 24, 2007 for Entire Site from Entire World OS Type % of Total Page Views Windows 88.37 Macintosh 4.51 Liberate3.32 Nokia 1.09 SonyEricsson0.67 BlackBerry 0.43 Motorola0.36 Samsung 0.23 LG 0.17 NEC 0.08 Orange 0.04 Sagem 0.03 O2 0.02 TMobile 0.01 Sharp 0.01 Linux 0.01 DOS 0 Panasonic 0 BenQ0 Sprint 0 ZTE 0 Philips 0 Unix0 VK 0 Siemens 0 Toshiba 0 Sun 0 Sanyo 0 IRIX0 OSF10 Unidentified0.65 By User Operating Systems for Mar 24, 2007 for Entire Site from Entire World OS Type % of Total Users Windows 85.39 Macintosh 6.51 Nokia 2.26 Liberate1.66 SonyEricsson1.5 Motorola0.84 BlackBerry 0.76 Samsung 0.55 LG 0.18 Sagem 0.08 Orange 0.06 Sharp 0.04 O2 0.03 TMobile 0.03 Linux 0.02 Panasonic 0.02 NEC 0.02 BenQ0.01 DOS 0.01 Philips 0.01 ZTE 0 Sprint 0 Toshiba 0 VK 0 Unix0 Siemens 0 Sanyo 0 Sun 0 IRIX0 OSF10 - - - Breakdown of WINDOWS operating systems Operating Systems for Mar 24, 2007 for Entire Site from Entire World OS Type % of Total Page Views Windows XP 53.71 Windows XP SP2 31.96 Windows 20006.94 Windows NT 2.65 Windows Vista 2.25 Windows 98 1.23 Windows ME 0.72 Windows CE 0.35 Windows 32 0.13 Windows 95 0.06 Windows 64 0.01 Windows 31 0 Breakdown of MAC os'es Operating Systems for Mar 24, 2007 for Entire Site from Entire World OS Type % of Total Page Views Macintosh X 97.21 Macintosh PowerPC 2.53 Macintosh 0.26 Macintosh OS8 0 Breakdown of LINUX oses Operating Systems for Mar 24, 2007 for Entire Site from Entire World OS Type % of Total Page Views Linux 2443.17 Linux 2236.4 Linux 2020.43 *From our guidance notes, internally: Figures for unique users are based on the BBCUID. This is a unique identifier - known as a cookie - which is sent to a user's computer the first time they request a page from a BBC web site. Provided the cookie is accepted by the requesting computer then it will be saved to that computer's memory and will be returned to the web server with all subsequent requests. The returned cookies are included in the log records for each request and because each cookie is unique it is then possible to track the activity of each user across time. The total number of unique users is really a count of the number of unique BBCUID values seen in the logs. Note that although each cookie may appear many times in the log it must only be counted once. It is this de-duplication that makes unique user figures difficult to calculate. Some important points to note about unique users: * Users are not people. Cookies attach to browsers, to user logins or possibly
Re: [backstage] UK trumps Europe on Linux streaming
devils advocate Wow, what an excellent use of council tax payers money. I mean, firstly nobody else has developed any kind of streaming video system, so I'm glad they spent 18 months building it themselves. And the potential user base is, what, the 1% of people in the UK with computers that run Linux, provided they also live in Waverley, and want to stream video of their local council meetings. I wonder what the cost per user is? Perhaps we can get together and do a FOI request on the council to find out? /devils advocate m On 02/03/07, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100121,39286141,00.htm When the European Commission launched a streaming video service last year which excluded Linux users, large swathes of the open source community became deeply angry. Now, a Surrey local council has shown that open source operating systems can be included in such programmes. ...a local council in Surrey has developed a streaming project over the last 18 months. And unlike the Commission's project, developers behind the UK version have made their service available to Linux users. Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?
On a related DRM tip, I just thought I'd chip in with some comments my wife made last night. We download podcasts from the BBC, and from Virgin Radio (thanks Mr Cridland!), but obviously it is all talk related, not full track music content. My wife asked me Are there any podcasts from XFM or something like that, where they just play you the new cool tunes? and then she said the immortal words that no anti-DRM zealot ever wants to hear... I wouldn't care if I could only listen to it once and it just blew up So there you go, you have to keep in mind that the people on this list are not representative of the public in general, whether it is about clicking web adverts, or avoiding DRM like the plague. As a consumer my wife is savvy enough to understand the concept of DRM - and she just doesn't *care* that it restricts her use and re-use of downloaded material. She's just interested in downloading time-shifed radio programmes with full music tracks in it, and being able to listen to it once. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] A couple of things including Arrington
And it does stop the BBC getting into Oh God Series 19 of Friends syndrome Actually I think there have been some very good sitcoms in recent years - Early Doors, Royale Family and off BBC Spaced and Black Books - but I think this is one of those areas where things are not held as a 'classic' until years after - for example Surprisingly, or maybe not, as sometimes a new series can take some time to work its way into the hearts of the British public, none of the first series [of Fawlty Towers] in 1975 made an impact in its respective week's viewing figures. One newspaper sniped: Long John, Short On Jokes — The Daily Mirror http://www.fawltysite.net/awards.htm On 23/02/07, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Hyett wrote: He raises perhaps inadvertantly the old point about why we haven't done many good 'Situation Comedies recently and when we do why they only run for a fairly limited series. You can't imagine Friends or Cheers or MASH closing after two series. But Two series and out is a very UK way of working. Life on Mars being a recent example. -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Clocks in SVG
I had to rescue the original FLA file from a Zip100 disk that I've been keeping safe in my desk drawer for about six years... Ah, BBC archiving at its finest :-) On 20/02/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh (aside) I know it's 'rubbish flash', but this was the first area of the BBC site I produced all on my own: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/testcards/ They're made by a chap called Dave Jeffrey - more of his stuff here http://625.uk.com/tv_logos/flash.htm Oddly, I got a phonecall about them just the other day - they wanted to reuse one for the recent Life On Mars trailers. I had to rescue the original FLA file from a Zip100 disk that I've been keeping safe in my desk drawer for about six years... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 20/02/2007 09:56 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Clocks in SVG Ooops.. sorry for sending again - the URLs got stripped! Hello Backstage, Yet another lurker! I noticed on the ideas blog yesterday that Ian Forrester had suggested using SVG or similar to recreate the old BBC School clocks. His original post is here http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ideas/archives/2007/01/bbc_clocks_as_a.html I haven't managed the school clocks yet, but I have managed to recreate three of the old BBC 1 clocks, as used at junctions going into the news. It's my first experiment with mixing SVG+Javascript, so be gentle! http://www.domsmith.co.uk/bbc_clocks/ (Obviously only works in browsers with SVG support, such as Firefox - sorry IE users) Best wishes, Dominic. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
The automation means that you don't lose any focus. Erm right, I mean, apart from the time you spend building the automation into your production process. And then fixing it when it goes wrong. And patching and sysadmining the servers running the automation. And having someone who understands how to support the system. And briefing your customer service team about it in case they get queries etc etc On 18/02/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis automatically, too. ... Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people without losing focus for the 99.99% of people. The automation means that you don't lose any focus. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
not *exactly*... the 'it was too popular for its own good' refers to various local radio stations having their bandwidth soaked up due to people downloading stuff... not good for business, that... It didn't do much for productivity either as I recall - I think at the point my team blagged two or three accounts on the internal beta thing we must have wasted about five hours (=several people's licence fee) going effing hell, you can download x, effing hell, you can download y, effing hell, all of the sports programming etc etc I've got a similar experience here at Sony at the moment, where my test account on various live Vodafone services around europe in 'theory' means I have free access to a back catalogue of 500,000+ tracks that I can download for nowt onto my work laptop. Now, if I can just work out how to get the DRM off them ;-) cheers, martin www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer
Nation shall encrypt peace unto nation Although, of course, if the other nation is using the same OS and has the right DRM key, that would be better than Nation shall offer nothing to nation wouldn't it? ducks m On 15/02/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the point, then? Well, the point of the BBC is that, by informing, educating and entertaining everyone in the UK, the population of the UK gains both individually and collectively to an extent greater than the BBC's negative market impact This is a nice argument against BBC DRM, I think :-D A bit like the one that points out that the BBC's motto is not Nation shall encrypt peace unto nation Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/685 - Release Date: 13/02/2007 22:01 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC
Haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but will do. Does that mean we don't have to carry on the debate here anymore ;-) cheers, martin -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net On 13/02/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'd just like to say thanks to everyone who was involved, it was a pleasure being part of the debate :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] democracyplayer
You're saying the global market is more important than everyone being able to download BBC content for free. Hmm, I don't think I was saying that. What I'm saying is that when the BBC paid for Paul Jackson Productions to make series I, II, and III of Red Dwarf, the people who made it (not the BBC), the people who wrote the theme tune (not the BBC), the people who wrote the incidental music (not the BBC), and the people who wrote the script (not the BBC) will all have done so in the expectation of being able to exploit it commercially and earn additional money for their work through VHS and subsequent overseas sales. That is all set up contractually, and you can't just wave your hand and say that 18 years later, because we have IP delivery of video content now, it is OK for everybody in the world with an internet connection to download their work for free on the basis that you have paid your Licence Fee. The industry is moving slowly, and not probably in the direction we'd all hope. PACT have moved towards allowing on demand and catch-up downloads of independently produced programmes braodcast by the BBC, but in return they get greater control over the new media commercial exploitation of programming at a later date http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/06_june/02/newmedia.shtml It occurs to me I may have turned to the dark side since starting to work at Sony ;-) martin http://www.currybet.net On 19/12/06, Josh at GoUK.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if the BBC started chucking out DRM free open format versions of shows on the web, then it would have a massive impact on the global market - BBC Worldwide has just signed a deal with Zudeo [1] to sell copies of shows via P2P in the U.S. market [2] which wouldn't be feasible if everyone could just download all BBC content for free at source from the UK You're saying the global market is more important than everyone being able to download BBC content for free. But why shouldn't it be the other way round: that people's right to download content for free (or at a fee direct from the BBC) be more important that the global market? What is all this for: the global market of for people? In the end, the global market just resells the stuff to the people - why should BBC content be used to make other BBC content suppliers rich and make people pay twice for their BBC content? I even wonder what the BBC is for in this digital era... ... ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:41 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] democracyplayer What you're talking about is a global, industry issue with thousands of diverse stakeholders - from actors to cameramen. And you also have to realise that the rights are not just for the UK, there are different rights frameworks across the globe. So, for example, if the BBC started chucking out DRM free open format versions of shows on the web, then it would have a massive impact on the global market - BBC Worldwide has just signed a deal with Zudeo [1] to sell copies of shows via P2P in the U.S. market [2] which wouldn't be feasible if everyone could just download all BBC content for free at source from the UK martin http://currybet.net [1] http://www.zudeo.com/ [2] http://www.zudeo.com/az-web/docs/PR20061219_BBC_Content_Partnership.pdf On 19/12/06, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So that's one reason for the BBC to dump their own-brand NIH-syndrome iPlayer and start publishing video feeds you can consume in Democracy or whatever player you like the most, just like they publish RSS feeds of the news stories. Absolutely. I like that idea a lot. I think there would still be space for the BBC to do something in this area just because they're the BBC. My mum is probably not going to use Democracy but she probably would use something from Auntie. Ultimately this is exactly the reason why the BBC (and other parties) do these things. Why does AOL have its own browser after all? If people didn't use it, they wouldn't create it. There is a world of between the kind of person that is on backstage and the average BBC user. I can still remember the first time I ever saw some user testing being performed (for those that don't know, it's where various people come in, sit at a computer and are asked to do various tasks, like try and find something on a website - for those who the testing is being done for, there is usually a two way mirror or video link so that you can watch what's going on). In one respect I found my first session incredibly frustrating (almost wanting to shout through the mirror LOOK! IT'S THERE!) but in another way, it was extremely enlightening. It showed me a different side to the coin. The side where people don't distinguish between adverts and general website
Re: [backstage] democracyplayer
This is maybe going a bit off-topic for this list? In an era where we now have IP video delivery (and such delivery will increase in the future) then what is the point of the BBC? It is very good question, and one that there was a lot of debate on in the run-up to the charter renewal fandango. I think three of the salient points with regard to direct IP broadcast without the BBC as a distributor are - you can get 8m people around the TV for a shared experience watching Strictly Come Dancing and Doctor Who, but there are few (if any) videos on YouTube with an aggregation of 8 million eyeballs on them - Inital funding for those programmes that independent production companies make on TV and radio (and within New media on web sites and software) comes from the Licence Fee. I don't know that you'd see the same level of commissioning if smaller independent producers had to find start-up cash for each programme they wanted to make - there are still more TV sets in the UK than broadband connections I'm also concerned that the licence fee is used to support the BBC's net activities - it gives the BBC a huge advantage over other net companies who don't get public money to support their online ventures. The DCMS online review found that to be the case in a couple of areas, which the BBC shut down. I guess it really comes down to the argument of whether people still think having bbc.co.uk as a digital on-ramp to the internet for people in the Uk is on the whole a good thing. If using the iPlayer for free makes people more confident about downloading TV shows and watching them on their PC, and so go on to buy download content from Sky or Channel 4, then has that benefitted or distorted the market? Interestingly in my line of work at the moment, all my user testing says people love the idea of streaming music to their mobile phones, but don't try it because they are worried about the price. Now, if they had a free service to get them used to the concept, does that make them more or less likely to sign up to a subscription in the long term for a different service? all the best, martin http://www.currybet.net On 20/12/06, Josh at GoUK.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Martin, for the explanation - appreciated and understood. In an era where we now have IP video delivery (and such delivery will increase in the future) then what is the point of the BBC? If Paul Jackson Productions can produce Red Dwarf IV, why not just sell it direct on the net (every production company can be its own IP driven TV station) - what is the point of a BBC funded by the licence fee? At one time, the BBC was needed as a distributor of content, but do we still need the BBC to do that now if everyone has the ability to publish and distribute on their own? And of BBC programming - do we need it? Commercially there are plenty of ways to get similar (and sometimes identical/repeat) content to what the BBC provides. I am not trying to be objectionable or malicious: I am genuinely struggling to understand why the country needs a publicly funded broadcaster or at least one as big and as powerful as the BBC. I'm also concerned that the licence fee is used to support the BBC's net activities - it gives the BBC a huge advantage over other net companies who don't get public money to support their online ventures. Festive wishes Josh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:13 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] democracyplayer You're saying the global market is more important than everyone being able to download BBC content for free. Hmm, I don't think I was saying that. What I'm saying is that when the BBC paid for Paul Jackson Productions to make series I, II, and III of Red Dwarf, the people who made it (not the BBC), the people who wrote the theme tune (not the BBC), the people who wrote the incidental music (not the BBC), and the people who wrote the script (not the BBC) will all have done so in the expectation of being able to exploit it commercially and earn additional money for their work through VHS and subsequent overseas sales. That is all set up contractually, and you can't just wave your hand and say that 18 years later, because we have IP delivery of video content now, it is OK for everybody in the world with an internet connection to download their work for free on the basis that you have paid your Licence Fee. The industry is moving slowly, and not probably in the direction we'd all hope. PACT have moved towards allowing on demand and catch-up downloads of independently produced programmes braodcast by the BBC, but in return they get greater control over the new media commercial exploitation of programming at a later date http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/06_june/02/newme dia.shtml It occurs to me I may have turned to the dark side since starting to work
Re: [backstage] democracyplayer
What you're talking about is a global, industry issue with thousands of diverse stakeholders - from actors to cameramen. And you also have to realise that the rights are not just for the UK, there are different rights frameworks across the globe. So, for example, if the BBC started chucking out DRM free open format versions of shows on the web, then it would have a massive impact on the global market - BBC Worldwide has just signed a deal with Zudeo [1] to sell copies of shows via P2P in the U.S. market [2] which wouldn't be feasible if everyone could just download all BBC content for free at source from the UK martin http://currybet.net [1] http://www.zudeo.com/ [2] http://www.zudeo.com/az-web/docs/PR20061219_BBC_Content_Partnership.pdf On 19/12/06, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So that's one reason for the BBC to dump their own-brand NIH-syndrome iPlayer and start publishing video feeds you can consume in Democracy or whatever player you like the most, just like they publish RSS feeds of the news stories. Absolutely. I like that idea a lot. I think there would still be space for the BBC to do something in this area just because they're the BBC. My mum is probably not going to use Democracy but she probably would use something from Auntie. Ultimately this is exactly the reason why the BBC (and other parties) do these things. Why does AOL have its own browser after all? If people didn't use it, they wouldn't create it. There is a world of between the kind of person that is on backstage and the average BBC user. I can still remember the first time I ever saw some user testing being performed (for those that don't know, it's where various people come in, sit at a computer and are asked to do various tasks, like try and find something on a website - for those who the testing is being done for, there is usually a two way mirror or video link so that you can watch what's going on). In one respect I found my first session incredibly frustrating (almost wanting to shout through the mirror LOOK! IT'S THERE!) but in another way, it was extremely enlightening. It showed me a different side to the coin. The side where people don't distinguish between adverts and general website navigation. Where people can't see what you consider to be extremely obvious. Most importantly, it gave me a firm impression. That I should always, always, always remember... not everyone is like me. That's not to say that everything should be dumbed down to the lowest level - just that, for the BBC anyway, it's important to try and cater for everyone. Unfortunately, the Backstage community appears uninterested in talking about Free Software media formats, and why they are important. (I don't know why this is.) I am interested in talking about it. I know others here are. But the trouble is we can't solve the problem. We need to get the management thinking about the rights of the licence payer instead of the rights of the talent. Actually I'd say that's only part of the problem because if it was just a BBC issue, you'd be almost there. What you're talking about is a global, industry issue with thousands of diverse stakeholders - from actors to cameramen. There is, for example, a certain, well known British actor who has decreed that some of his early work cannot be repeated on television. Everytime someone tries to negotiate repeat rights for those series, he is a voice that says no. As such the programmes can't be repeated. That's the way the industry has worked for decades. Trying to unpick it will take years. That's a guarentee. Anyway, back to those tedious admin tasks I'm supposed to be doing right now :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview
I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week facing exactly the same The horror! The horror! reaction to the notion of using Flash :-) all the best, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: (freeing) content is king (was Re: [backstage] Psiphon Next Gen content)
Ian, why don't you apply for the job of Chairman of the BBC? I think the Chairman is more of a strategic hands-off job, and I'm sure Ian would miss getting his hands dirty with widget code :-) On 29/11/06, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I keep meaning to draw this out and post it on my blog I am suprised at the level of heavy breathing going on about Grade's departure. Clearly there is very little vision in the executive branch of the television industry right now. I think it's time that someone who understands the content issues from the point of view of the future took over Auntie. Ian, why don't you apply for the job of Chairman of the BBC? -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk for all your tapsell ferrier needs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Psiphon
As far as I am aware, every song on TOTP up until 1983 was re-recorded so that the BBC owned the rights of broadcast in the charter it clearly states that the BBC must distribute its content to the UK public. so where is all that music that I payed for :-) A lot of it got discarded, even the good stuff - The story also features The Beatles in a film clip. It was originally planned for the band to appear as themselves, but under heavy aging make-up, to represent themselves in the future; but their schedules conflicted. Thus, footage from the BBC pop music magazine programme Top of the Pops was used instead. Ironically, considering the number of lost Doctor Who episodes, this is the only surviving clip of the Beatles from Top of the Pops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chase_(Doctor_Who) cheers, m http://www.currybet.net On 28/11/06, Richard Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lee, I accept your points, at the same time though, the British are being sold on this idea of privacy with a number, an ID number. Well, as a public Corporation the BBC could reverse that thinking and treat us all as UK residents wherever we are in the world already.. it is still far easier to find people that you can trust, than to be weighed down by the thoughts of people that you cannot. That is pandering to the lowest common denominator. The benefits far out-weigh the negatives for a closer social community. I think it is a shame that all that power goes to support the tiny worse case scenario. As far as I am aware, every song on TOTP up until 1983 was re-recorded so that the BBC owned the rights of broadcast in the charter it clearly states that the BBC must distribute its content to the UK public. so where is all that music that I payed for :-) I am sure that similar can be said for BBC TV. All they would have to do is say publically that such and such a show was going to be aired on the net, in not best quality, and that the original producer would be payed X. If he doesn't agree - fine - but right now is anyone asking that question? If you can see a matrix of good honest people, the vast majority, across the planet, all UK residents if you want, all hosting bits of a show and streaming it, then the BBC doesn't have to host anything. it simply has to control the first issue and the delivery mechanism. Which is exactly what it is trying to do now along with Sky, ITV etc. The first lines do not have political leanings, please excuse me if it comes across that way. I am not interested in negative or political social engineering, but take a look, the fact is that it is happening all around us right now. Richard On Tuesday, November 28, 2006, at 09:52AM, Lee Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From P Edwards (Monday, November 27, 2006 11:19 PM): I think it is pretty laughable :-) I am very happy to pay for quality and expensive programming, but being censored from the same, just because of a legal precedent, is almost the ultimate insult, especially if one does have a UK TV license. In my hallucination, it should take one person within Auntie's legal department about a month to change the contracts for content production, add some budget for servers and bandwidth, to make the biggest change to how the BBC works since radio gave way to black and white TV. Probably less time, but I guess the problems isn't that the Beeb can't find the time for contract-updating. I imagine every recording has associated contracts and releases, and often after the initial broadcast and an agreed number of re-broadcastings, the artist release evaporates, and the rights revert to the performers. I can hear the voices of resistance still. There is absolutely no reason not to Hosting all that media, not to mention distributing it at a reasonable rate, is not going to be cheap. So where exactly did all this locking out and streaming certain content to certain places come from? Big brother? :-) It certainly annoyed me when in Cologne: I could watch Planet Earth but not the website. On the other hand, I would be more annoyed if, after paying my TV Tax/Licence, I couldn't watch the website because the bandwidth is consumed by people outside the UK who don't pay for it. Maybe that's selfish of me :) How about leading the way with both feet in to a new world of a really universal BBC on the net, with none of the boundaries? The opposite to the TV world. To be fair, it is the British Broadcasting Corporation, not Universal ;) Flippant, but I do think that it is not the job of the British Broadcasting Corporation to be addressing the world (save the World Service, World news channel): rather, shouldn't Auntie be taking care of broadcasting to the British people? I'm sure that a way could be programmed to reverse Psiphon or the like, with something like real-time P2P to distribute the feeds via a massive server of trusted associates, now that would be
Re: [backstage] Psiphon
What happens when setting up a proxy service is as easy as running an application and using one is as easy as typing in a url? It means I finally get to listen to the Ashes here in Austria :-) On 27/11/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it looks like some kind of GPL tunnelling service/application? Looks interesting though, specially if they make it super easy to use. It does raise a whole load of privacy questions for the user (I would suggest Tor is better in that case) and lots of questions for a broadcaster such as the BBC who uses GeoIP. What happens when setting up a proxy service is as easy as running an application and using one is as easy as typing in a url? Interesting :) Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard P Edwards Sent: 27 November 2006 11:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Psiphon Wow, I will be watching the next World Cup live on the BBC then. ;-) If this does what I think it will, then the resulting discussion will, again, have consequences for everyone. Personally, I like the idea of sharing and from this side of the Channel, the UK is a state that censors. I accept the reasons why, copyright etc. but this will push those regulations once more. Now, I am off to find a trusted friend. :-) Thanks Mario. On 27 Nov 2006, at 10:17, Mario Menti wrote: Just stumbled upon this, and thought it may be of interest to some folks on the list: http://psiphon.civisec.org According to the front page, psiphon is a human rights software project developed by the Citizen Lab at the Munk Centre for International Studies that allows citizens in uncensored countries to provide unfettered access to the Net through their home computers to friends and family members who live behind firewalls of states that censor. Mario. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] AGH! Cruddy BBC website
One of the things I tried to do that I was suprised didn't work [and is an issue for backstage I suspect] is the normal BBC 2 tv schedule. It only has links for one week. I didn't try url hacking maybe that would have worked I don't know. I was just suprised that the standard listing showed only one week of listings. The TV schedule is only actually fixed about 10 days in advance. There is even legislation/code of practice about when the terrestrial TV companies have to notify each other of what they are going to show when. When I was at the BBC I saw a presentation about the whole scheduling effort which was quite gob-smacking in its complexity. all the best martin http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Flickr Photo Map...
Now a useful feature would be the ability to drag someone's incorrectly placed photo across the map to the right spot.That way I could stop greyhounds winning races a good bus ride away from Walthamstow's dog stadium - http://www.flickr.com/photos/emsef/227626652/ - and somebody Sapnish could sort our my errant understanding of Madrid, where I'm not sure if my Real Madrid photos are hovering over their ground or Atleticos - http://www.flickr.com/map/madridPerhaps you could get a message like Such-and-such Flickr person has suggested respositioning photo x to hereI wonder how many URLs like this there are - it gets down to some pretty small places http://www.flickr.com/map/chania (pop 60,000, Crete)and it even makes a semi-passable stab at http://www.flickr.com/map/yorkshire all the best,martinhttp://www.currybet.netOn 10/11/06, Chris Sizemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:wow, this one blows me away: http://www.flickr.com/map/birminghamdoes it know I'm geoIP'd in the UK?is anyone in the states right now? does this URL show you birmingham,alabama or brum? bestcs-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Tom LoosemoreSent: 10 November 2006 15:12To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Flickr Photo Map... http://www.flickr.com/map/london/Nice...Though I don't understand the logic behind the 'pages' approach-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visithttp://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Newssniffer - BBC News site monitoring
As someone who used to work closely with the BBC community site teams my first thought was what happens when the BBC pulls posts for legal reasons, and this site reproducesthem - who ends up potentially legally liable - the site re-hosting the content, the BBC, or the original poster, even though they didn't give explicitpermission for newssniffer to re-use the content. *shuffles off to consult lawyer* all the best, martin http://www.currybet.net On 24/10/06, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought this might be of interest to the backstage crew: http://newssniffer.newworldodour.co.uk/articles/list_by_revision http://newssniffer.newworldodour.co.uk/bbc/threads/mostcensored J Jason Cartwright Client Side Developer -CBBC Interactive [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: (0208 57) 67938 Mobile: 07976500729 Recreate the world in your own image and make it better for your having been here - Ray Bradbury
Re: [backstage] Last played songs?
I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Well, that at least goes some way to explaining why I find it an intolerable racket ;-) More seriously on this point, I think on this list there are a collection of people who are likely to be more tolerant of the 80/20 rule than the general public. You would be astonished at the number of phone calls, yes *phone calls*, that the BBC gets to complain about typographical errors on news.bbc.co.uk or spelling mistakes on News 24 captions or about pages failing to update on Ceefax. Dan is right to be wary. m James Mastros wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:04:53PM +0100, Richard P Edwards wrote: Hi, I would like to add to this. If you look on the Pete Tong Radio 1 web-site, for example, you will see that a playlist is published as much as possible. Note, by the way, that the Pete Tong show (if it's the one I'm thinking of; I've only caught the beginning of it once -- not my cup of tea) contains just about every possible special case. It contains music mixed from the source well in advance, it contains a live show, it probably contains single performances split into multiple 2 hour chuncks. It's likely nearly impossible for even the majority of the transcript to be up live, and I suspect at many points in the show, he's has on two different tracks, plus his own drum machine. Two points come to mind... 1. If the shows are specialist then it is very important that the audience has this information. 2. In which ever case, for the sake of the music business and new artists, there should never be a situation where this information is not documented for MCPS/PRS etc.. I assume what you mean is so that the artists get paid. There's a limit to that, though. Artists don't need to get paid for several weeks (possibly several months). They don't get paid for a few seconds of the song. In fact, I'm surprised they get paid directly by the BBC at all -- in the US, the recording industry gives away tracks, including the right to play them on air -- to the radio. They consider it great advertising. OTOH, around here there's a lot more TV advertising for music. (Not on the BBC, obviously.) Therefore 80% actually online now, is far better than the odd piece missed, for everyone concerned. Anyway - what do those show producers do whilst on air? Um, produce the show? It takes a lot of effort to make this sort of thing look effortless. Who do you think listens to everybody calling the Jo Whiley show? (Which reminds me of another fun special case -- every morning on her show at approx 10:30, she has a segment during which the entire point is that the audience doesn't know what tracks are being played in real-time, the 7 song shuffle.) -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Weather feeds
Fair play, the delay is annoying, as is building up a false expectation - but I'll wager my tuppence that Ben and Jem are more fed up with the wrangling causing the delay than anyone outside the BBC :-( m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dogsbody Sent: Tue 15/11/2005 11:25 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Weather feeds Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released? I went to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it was happening next week! Oh, it's a long story - but I'm sorry it's been delayed and I'm hoping we can get this out in the next 14 days or so. Sorry for sending a chase but I'm very interested in this feed and it's almost a month later! :-\ Any news?? And now almost another month! Please can I submit this as feedback on the Backstage service. I would rather you say that something is a year away than say it is 14 days or so away when it isn't :-\ Regards, Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant
Firstly I'd echo Tom's sentiment: Strange behaviours surface when you see bbc.co.uk at the end of your email address; fear of bringing opprobrium to the BBC due to saying the wrong thing in public can cause otherwise eloquent BBC employees to clam up. I'm normally happy to shout to the rooftops about what we've been doing, but I find myself a bit nervy posting to this list because I know firstly that it is populated by a load of very intelligent people, and secondly because anything I say, typos and all, is being instantly pinged into the in-boxes of some of the colleagues and peers that I respect the most. SO I don't want to say anything stupid. - The front page archive. --- One of the objectives of Backstage this year is to make as many of the submitted prototypes live on bbc.co.uk as we can. The homepage archive is the first of these and going live next week. Matthew submitted the idea to backstage, we liked it, we contracted (and paid) him to do the work to make it live on bbc.co.uk. We'd like and want to do more of this and are looking hard at some other contenders. The hold ups aren't the strength of your ideas or how they've been presented and I hope that Tom's mail has given you a little bit more background in terms of what we think we need. Hurdles are sometimes rights, and tricky infrastructure stuff but mostly its persuasion and reassurance which as Tom has said perhaps we've been doing too much behind closed doors. Maybe we should have been more forthright about saying that we *were* doing this. It has been an interesting challenge not just on the legal/contract side but on the product development side. The work to get it running for the BBC rather than outside the BBC is being done in my production group. Turning a prototype into a beta service with a BBC URL is something we are doing for the first time, and suddenly all sorts of considerations come into it. Here is just one example, if we know that we are about to do a one-off special version of the homepage, which will cause the archive to register every single thing on the page changing, and that breaks the templates the archive is published in, that isn't a problem for us if it is a backstage prototype hosted externally. Once we are doing it *as the BBC* however, suddenly someone emailing my team Your homepage archive didn't work properly over the weekend becomes an email we have to answer. So does that mean the templates of the homepage archive have become or should become, a design constraint on the homepage itself? So leaving aside the infrastructure considerations, these kind of product development decisions are things we frankly haven't done before. And they have been fun - I wrote up an initial draft of how to turn the 'prototype' into a 'beta product', and one of my Assistant Producers looks to have done a great job with Matthew in getting it up and running for us. ! But that has all taken time, and the work has had to be prioritised against the other work in my production area. We've also been working on generating some new, and hopefully useful feeds - I take on board the point about asking you what the BBC wants. When we have them properly running on live I'll remember to be vocal about what I was hoping might come out of them all the best, martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stone Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:16 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant Could you /please/ start sending us some sort of ongoing status things on the competition. We have a short list of three for the (3) prizes and we're now arguing the toss about who's gonna win. There's some legal fine detail that we've just sorted. So we just need to get in touch with the individuals first and then we'll announce it to the list and site. This took longer than I'd hoped. Partly because Ben was away and partly because I was crap. That said I'll say again we were genuinely taken aback with the quality of the prototypes submitted and will feedback in greater detail what we liked and what blew us away to the list/site again. I've dropped a note offlist to Leo from MightyTV and I'll do the same to the rest of you who entered. giving weekly status reports Ok we'll give it a go. For now here's whats on the slate.. Tom has filled in as admirably as ever on the bigger picture but here's some more detail. - RSS / APIs -- Data, data, data. I know this is the key to making backstage work for a lot of you and the BBC still has a limited range of data that we can offer for all sorts of reasons. However, centrally we now have some live test feeds of the popular links within search, jobs, tickets, BBC press releases, complaints, the BBC front page and tv pages. These are relatively small projects but the idea for converting them came from
RE: [backstage] breaking news alerts
In the wierd way that the BBC works I am responsible for both the homepage Breaking News and the system that delivers the breaking News email. The breaking news email and desktop alert gozmo are both much more fequent events than switching the homepage into 'breaking news' mode The BBC sends out breaking news emails and alerts in the same way it puts a breaking news strap on News 24, i.e. every time a story breaks or a big one develops. Putting the homepage into Breaking News mode is more akin to We interupt this programme to bring you an urgent news story happening on BBC One. In fact BBC One being interupted is one of the criteria for switching it over. all the best, m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Somerville Sent: Tue 06/09/2005 9:24 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] breaking news alerts Murray wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:53:49PM +0100, Matthew Somerville wrote: Do you mean you want http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/3533099.stm and/or http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/email/breakingnews ? :) I don't think so. Last time I checked, they both issue emails at least once a day. More frequent than I want. No, that's http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/email/news - the breakingnews one above only emails for breaking news (although the page does say daily e-mail, that's a mistake, I believe). I could be wrong tho. Certainly the Windows program (the first URI) doesn't send any emails, it pops up a window as soon as there's breaking news, the page has a screenshot of what it did when the Pope died: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40996000/gif/_40996331_popealert203.gif Works here. ATB, Matthew - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] Test
I know there have been some issues with the Majordomo servers, and that some work is planned on them, but I'm not aware that they have packed in completely Martin Belam, Senior Development Producer, BBC New Media Technology -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Mossop Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:43 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Test Last message I got was on the 12th. Same for everyone else? Phil Mossop [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Graeme Mulvaney To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [backstage] Test it's been a bit quiet of late... On 8/16/05, Ben Metcalfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I hate it too when dumb people like myself send TEST messages. Doh, this obviously it working... Sorry. Ben :: backstage.bbc.co.uk -- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Test
Ha! Ha! The unintentional irony - amongst other things I've been working on/off for nearly three years now trying to get Majordomo replaced within the BBC... m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amias Channer Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:12 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Test On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:51:03 +0100 Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there have been some issues with the Majordomo servers, and that some work is planned on them, but I'm not aware that they have packed in completely Could i suggest changing to mailman ? http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ .It has a nice web interface for controlling subscription options and an archive browser. Toodle-pip Amias - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
