to be said, and
so I said them.
(Maybe I should have split the email into 3?)
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on what they are doing currently, not
what is actually meant to be done!
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(note: I would much prefer the use of Java on the BBC website instead
of RealPlayer and Flash, at least Sun let people see there code to
rule out Trojan back doors and let other people develop JVMs)
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n the BBC is taking a one-vendor approach when there are
multi-vendor multi-platform alternatives. Who is responsible for these
decisions? Are they actually qualified or did they pull somebody in
off the street (wouldn't be the first time the BBC did that either).
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Credit where credit's due, and the BBC don't deserve much yet, they
are doing all the wrong things. DRM = bad idea. Flash = bad idea. Real
Player = bad idea. Windows only software = bad idea.
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As above. Of course if I am mistaken don't hesitate to correct me ;)
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r bothered to respond after I told then I thought this advice was
not useful).
Interestingly a quick googling found a proposed standard for RTSP. I
wonder why its only proposed it's been there nearly 10 years. Maybe
they had problems with the 2 independent implementations issue?
ards
until blue in the face while people start deleting your emails without
opening them" list.
If the BBC would actually answer the question then I could stop going
on about it. The BBC refuse to do this, if they have a good reason
then why don't they come out with it.
Sorry for th
ngs with real
player. I am just asking that I be allowed to listen with software
that I trust and I like using, why is that so much to ask?
It's nice to actually talk to some people from the BBC. It shows you
guys will actually engage in conversation with your audience. Isn't
the email great
here and my destination
node, they are using a standard I just make sure I follow that
standard. Why should the HTML content be any different?
The underlying TCP/IP and HTTP system seem to work much more
compatibly than all these websites, many of which display poorly if
you stray so slightly of the
cked from content on bbc.co.uk.
I can, it was when a page required me to have ActiveX to view a video.
And yes I did inform the BBC about it, they ignored it until I sent on
official complaint.
There official response to this complaint was download ActiveX and shut up.
Richard Lockwood said:
Andy
about Dell planing to offer Linux boxes, was on
the front page of the technology news, I will find the link if you
want it)
Oh and before I go you used the term "significant portion", how many
would be considered significant?
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. Something is not
quite right wouldn't you agree?
Either:
1. Browser stats are inaccurate
2. BBC news article is wrong
3. The BBC is attracting less of the Linux users to it's site
(something that should be looked at seriously as this could be an
indication the BBC is interfering with commercia
might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer
isn't good for them either?
Oh well enough of my idle speculation.
Official press release:
<http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm>
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r only way of getting DRM free music is to download it
illegally, until now that is.
Note that many CDs have some form of DRM on them.
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His contact details are available at:
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non-windows platform) version you could always release the specs for
the system and let someone give you a hand. This is the list for
"Building what you want with BBC content" after all.
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didn't do their job properly?
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nfused by that date? (is it Tuesday the 5th, or
Wednesday the 6th?)
Their counter displays zero's for me, the source seems to suggest the
deadline was 2007-05-06 21:00 GMT
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xplained why, care to now?
Before Richards email I had hoped the BBC would comply with it's
regulators requests. Now I just hope they are prosecuted to the
fullest extent under the law.
I was considering reporting them for offences they have commit against
me (violation of the Freedom Of
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Andy,
You've completely missed the point of my argument.
Quite possible, sorry.
3. While you're "under the impression", we'll save this argument for
another time. Although I think you'll find
em with locking content to the UK, but that is
done more securely server side NOT client side.
freethebbc.info appears to want NO DRM, and wants it to be available
to the non-UK.
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not need to pay for the media they enjoy, DUE TO IT NOT
BEING A SCARCE RESOURCE.
(sorry for the capitals but you missed it on lower case so I wrote it
in big letters).
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ve.
Obviously you would check different things.
Might need to do things like adding a play counter in the XML to do
limits on when it's played.
Not more than a months work at the most.
And once the spec is released all you have to do is starting pushing
out the content someone
ves/2007/06/07/the_bbc_and_microsoft_want_your_photos_to_synthesise_britain.html>
(nearly a week ago that was published).
Only runs on XP SP2 and Vista, loses a point there.
Gains points for the amusing line in the download times though:
Dial up: Not recommended
Loses points for recommending a gig of ram and needing meaty graphics cards.
ics card are for your Desktop. or those boxes you plug straight
into the T.V.
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Job done.
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n people pay when they can download illegally may not
be "they are good people" it may have something to do with the "being
sent to jail thing", or the lack of skill. as illegal content is
driven underground.
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u don't get nasty latency
issues.
Wher you store the actuall video and how you transfer it back and
forth is another matter. Maybe the UK needs faster internet links
(according to a BBC article it does)
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explicitly specified the BBC must provide a platform neutral solution.
Quoting from the BBC trust's website:
The service will be provided on a platform-neutral basis within a reasonable
timeframe of launch
From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bb
FLASH: The laws of mathematics will NOT change to suit your business
plans.
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quiring anything.
Once it can be shown it really is the license holders fault, and we
can see it's their fault we can focus on them a bit. But simple
yelling "rights holders" and backing it up with nothing ain't going to
work.
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ch a DRM scheme. Or I could try and
stall this for long enough to give me time to create my own DRM scheme
and point to that (but that may be cheating?)
I am downloading a cross platform DRM system as we speak, the source
is rather large though. I think it's bringing all the crypto libraries
and
would claim I am *not* impartial. ;) )
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Ian wrote:
Name another DRM system which is technically capable of the same things,
and exists today.
OpenIPMP
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PS sorry about the double post but the DRM software I was taking quite
a while to download.
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only runs on specific platforms, namely the VM
itself.
Which part of which one of those do you disagree with?
Or do you disagree with my definition of "platform neutral"?
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On 18/06/07, David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Will you host the WMV10-reader code on your web server then, alongside
CSS and ACSS decryption code? :)
Are you aware of the judgment of a Finish court on the matter of DVD CSS?
It basically stated the DVD CSS was not an effective technol
On 21/06/07, David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No. A selection of _open_, interoperable solutions would be sensible.
If only someone had written a standard for transferring data.
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2616.txt
Or a standard for peer to peer transfers.
http://www.bittorr
ter points out this could cause problems with respect
to an EU ruling. I trust the BBC has made sure it is not itself
violating this ruling or assisting another party to violate or
circumvent an EU ruling?
Andy
[1] http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/20030021.htm
[2] http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts
gh the underlying implementation would vary.
I do have further evidence regarding mismanagement but I can't provide
it as it would influence future or current legal proceedings.
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On 26/06/07, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Andy, if I had been the fool in charge of it, let me assure you by now
I would be taking legal action against your repeated public
accusations of corruption and misuse of public funds by individuals
within the BBC.
Ah nuts, I must no
ful: If the BBC supports standards as it so often claims why use
Kontiki and not the more common and widely used Bit torrent protocol
for it's content delivery?).
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anyone on the trail (or
the BBC itself) care to confirm whether this is the case?
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On 28/07/07, Martin Belam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy, it would probably also be common sense to read around on the
> topic before insulting the majority of the BBC developers who frequent
> this list.
I read the restrictions that the BBC *claims* it has to implement.
Howe
ld it ;).
A simply way of seeing why the BBC did what it did would be to look at
the iPlayer Feasibility Study, where is that document? Can I see it?
Google can't find it so it's probably not on the publicly accessible
web.
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least, it's like 40D, only later and still in Beta).
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PS:
Didn't find the article I _know_ I saw but this is close enough:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070717-europeans-embrace-firefox-in-record-numbers.html
On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cool Perhaps someone would like to post to the list why this protest is
> happening, what it's aims are (if any) and what are the points that the
> group would like to get across are?
You could try the "groups" website(s).
Defective By
language,
rendering the entire C based iPlayer the biggest waste of money in
recent history?
If the BBC really intended to produce a cross-platform solution why
did it make design decisions that indicate the exact opposite.
Of course the BBC must have done costings for the project and all
potenti
On 18/08/07, Peter Bowyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No again. The *real* way to provide a platform-independent *service*
> could involve making tactical decsions along the way to get your
> service launched on popular platforms and follow this up with an
> implementation on others.
That last bi
2326.txt
> If I'm asking these questions in the wrong place, please let me know where
> would be more appropriate to ask (N.B. I've already asked these questions to
> the live555 developers, who told me to ask the BBC or Microsoft).
Anywhere with technically minded people will
BC has nothing to hide, then what is all the hiding for?
Oh incidentally there are multiple mistakes on www.bbc.co.uk/iPlayer I
shall leave you to find and fix them.
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'-' in the
comments made the login to Google calender button appear.
Maybe all you need to do is remove all the hyphens in the comments,
not entirely sure why though.
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the pages and Alt-Tab'ing between the standard and my IDE is
going to be a pain and interrupt work flow.
(Is this more the kind of thing you would like on this list?)
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e broadcasting at the times that something differ. Thus
saving bandwidth. (provided you can broadcast something else in the
slot that regionally channels aren't utilising).
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orrupt to use any of the fixes developed by the
likes of the IETF, IEEE, ISO etc.
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#x27;s spurce code. Thanks.
You can use this email address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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secure because Proprietary code is protected by a Substitution cypher
with a publicly available secret key?
This provides no measure of security, so what is the real reason an
Open DRM specification was not used? And try not to lie this time!
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point, but even then it may be doubtful.
Copyright Infringement is NOT theft, theft is theft, copyright
infringement is copyright infringement. They are covered by entirely
separate laws, they are described differently in the law, and the
actions themselves differ gre
have to justify yourself. If the
BBC did nothing wrong with iPlayer why lie about it?.
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laims which
contradict some of the most profound security experts around.
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l rights management.
Your points about completion, grammar, usability are irrelevant in
proving or disproving the given statement as they have nothing to do
with the statement.
You also completely ignored the second point. Presumably because I
(and the majority of security experts) are correct
I a
re DRM, they exist now, they are open source. That is all that
is needed to disprove Mr Highlands statement. It has been done. we
have yet more proof the BBC lied.
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Compilation of source code is not a cryptographically secure way to
protect data or algorithms.
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re for release.
If it is transferred to the generated binary it can just as easily be
extracted from the binary.
The attacker now has the key. They also have the binary that means
they must have the algorithm (the CPU gets the algorithm from the
binary, we know how a CPU does that, thus we can ex
Why does the BBC pay people to do
what the BBC claim is impossible?
Also how much does the BBC pay to be a member of:
TV-Anytime
W3C
ETSI
(just wondering what the BBC is paying to develop standards it is ignoring).
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ance, but you could always
distribute encrypted files to the world via P2P and send the keys to
UK users, would reduce the traffic that needs to be checked for IP.
Not hard to do in an open way either, just pick a cypher (e.g. AES)
and a way of encoding it, and send via HTTP, job done.)
Or a third
rter and agreement?
If I am not much mistaken the streaming will be in a proprietary
format requiring a proprietary platform to run it on. But please
correct me if this is a mistake, in doing so it would be helpful if
you provided the RFC number for the standard format and protocols that
will be d
vorite formats. RealPlayer and Windows Media.
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s used (Real Audio, Real
Video, WMA, WMV (no DRM), WMP DRM) and the solitary standard format
MP3, then why is it not possible to provide Ogg Vorbis for download
and streaming?)
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our media player.
That's good.
> The programmes on the Radio Player are presented as streams only.
It is technologically possible to download them. May not be legal to
do so though.
The boundary between "Download" and "stream" is a bit fuzzy.
What Podcasts (if any
ted
throttling for years)? Odd how the BBC can have such a huge
development time, such a huge spending and still end up with a vastly
inferior product when compared to free alternatives.
Will it permit user written extensions?
Will it support third party access via Open API's?
Andy
* Is th
;t you just do it correctly first time around?
And seems the BBC claims it has to obey copyright law, perhaps you
would care to explain why you copied my entire email and claimed it
was written by someone else?
And more importantly, why did you just send a suspicious file in you ema
ld be.
More interestingly has anyone conduct a survey to find out if the
population actually knows what the length of copyright is? (I have to
admit I though it was 70 years after the death of the author, so
theres one incorrect answer for you).
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://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#tech-identify-grammar>
However instead of actually caring about accessibility and fixing the
problems they just "redefined" accessibility.
I hope you explained why the BBC does not care about any kind of accessibility.
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forget that us public may not know exactly where to find everything
they mention, luckily my good friend Google lent a hand (other search
engines are available).
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am not a Perl coder so there isn't much I can do).
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Didn't this whole discussion arise out of the thought that GPL is not
as free as BSD license?
(though as an aside I too would prefer if the BBC didn't require the
use of non-Free software, I would also prefer they didn't use my
license fee to developing proprietary software)
A
trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC
only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?
[1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/
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BC would have to
increase the license fee to stream in Ogg because of the cost of the
software).
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receive and play files?
Thanks.
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but I'm
not sure if the voice recognition stuff is anywhere near good enough
yet for my suggestion. Might be able to find some other kind of UI
that would work, any suggestions?
* I am almost certain this was mentioned at some point, but I can't
for the life of me think where.
Andy
ces"?
> You can play
> certain flash files using a bunch of other players. For example VLC,
> Mplayer, FFMpeg, Gnash, etc will all play Flash 4 files. Gnash can even
> render the animation and interaction of Flash 7 and 8 files.
What version is iPlayer's flash?
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Sorry to reply to my own post.
Everyone appears to be using a url of the form:
rtmp://217.243.192.52:1935/ondemand?_fcs_vhost=cp41752.edgefcs.net&auth=SECRET_KEY&aifp=v001&slist=STREAM_NAME
But I can't find it *anywhere* in the iPlayer HTML or Javascript.
Can't find it in the XML either.
Is it hi
cation for RTMP all the usual places I find
protocol specs have turned up no results.
Oh and when I was talking about download protocol I was referring to
the download version of iPlayer not the streaming version as the
download it higher quality.
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I am still waiting.
If you take public money the public has the right to criticise you.
In non-publicly funded companies if the customer is paying for
something then you can't just tell them get lost and build something
that's not what they want. Oddly that's what the BBC has done.
A
co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm
> [snip]
Well done to whoever fixed it.
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Direct link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm still
works fine however.
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wget complains unsupported scheme.
mPlayer also fails.
Of course I can't check that URL is correct without an RTMP client of some sort.
Of course this may break as soon as the BBC changes anything.
Formal definitions for the XML would be helpful.
What error con
umber of half
finished projects living on my hard drive suggests that's unlikely) I
shall need something to test on.).
Now all I have to do is improve my Java skills, hmm I *knew* there was
a flaw in this plan.
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On 17/01/2008, Matthew Somerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/metafiles/episode/b008s14v.xml - you just need
> the programme episode PIP.
Thank you.
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fields and operators?
Some of those would have been answered by the XML Schemes.
So if you really are interested in exotic platforms, then maybe
telling people what they need to know would help!
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TTP. http://osflash.org/red5
First hit on Google for "Video Streaming Software":
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/streaming.html
(VLC can behave as a server as well as doing playback)
Supports multiple formats and protocols.
Now I have answered yours will you be answering my other questions?
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> appears,
> as has been suggested.
As would I, but no API yet so the answers would be good.
I Wrote:
> I therefore assumed that RTMP could still be used but wasn't
> the recommended approach. I may have been wrong though.
Typog
On 01/02/2008, "~:'' ありがとうございました。" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is it just me? or is that yellow text on white background all but
> impossible to read?
If you are referring to the text at the top it appears to be on a
black background on my computer.
Andy
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ption it will make backup easier
but DRM screws that up. Suddenly you don't just need the audio/video
file you need the license. And some licenses are tied to a physical
machine so when its destroyed and you replace it the files could be
useless.
* Would we know if this had already happened?
many people already use to
> share movies and music.
Isn't that the same technology the BBC rejected?
Nice to see BBC rejecting the cross-platform, EU recommended,
technically superior, cheaper, better tested protocol in favour of
Kontiki (what did Kontiki have as a good point?).
Andy
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rust this time round? The claim of "it's impossible to do
cross platform, now let us get back to our Microsoft (and maybe Apple)
exclusive deals" is going to sound a little unbelievable no?
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