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2012-09-27 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.gotquestions.org/Bahai-faith.html It is an interesting website. Sent from my iPad __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to

Happy Day of the Empty Throne

2012-11-20 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yeah, it's November 20! November 20: Day of the Empty Throne. The anniversary of the day, in 1957, on which leaders of the Bahai religion voted to declare the office of Guardianship permanently vacant following the sudden death of Shoghi Effendi without leaving a

Re: Happy Day of the Empty Throne

2012-11-20 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
of the Guardianship as a 'throne.' On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yeah, it's November 20! November 20: Day of the Empty Throne. The anniversary of the day, in 1957, on which leaders of the Bahai religion voted to declare

Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_rejection_of_politics http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/08/22/159588275/are-independents-just-partisans-in-disguise Saidri is an example of while Bahais are supposedly independent, but generally have a a leftist or

Re: Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
for. In fact, the number of Democrats that I find acceptable has also declined significantly. More and more, I find myself voting not for the best candidate, but for the least objectionable candidate. Don C On Nov 21, 2012, at 10:51 04AM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv

Re: Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Oh, I was 10, -7 last time, but usually am 10, -10 or somewhere between those two points. Sent from my iPad On Nov 21, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Don Calkins don59...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:06 14PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote

Re: Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Technically, doesn't that make you closest to the Green Party? Sent from my iPad On Nov 21, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Don Calkins don59...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:06 14PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: Independent does have

Re: Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
from my iPad On Nov 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I scored exactly where the Dalai Lama stands. ;-} On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The NPR article supposes

Re: Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-21 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv As an LR, I voted for Gary Johnson over Mitt Romney, easy cause Indiana isn't that much of a competitive state! Sent from my iPad On Nov 21, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv LL scores people have said they tend

Re: Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-26 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Actually, what I've read and heard is that if any small party is going to wag the dog in the future in Germany, it's the Pirate Party. It's rising in the polls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Parties_International

Re: Religious rejection of politics

2012-11-26 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
slash CSU! Sent from my iPad On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually, what I've read and heard is that if any small party is going to wag the dog in the future in Germany, it's the Pirate Party. It's rising in the polls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Wikipedia and Sokka Humanism, though I dislike using Sokka Gakkai as a ref, because I side with Nichiren Shoshu

2012-11-27 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya Maitreya will be the fifth Buddha of the present kalpa[clarification needed] (aeon) and his arrival will occur after the teachings (dharma) of the Buddha are no longer practiced. His coming is characterized by a number of

Religious Dua versus Worldly or Secular Dua

2012-12-03 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dua http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah This is a spontaneous continuation of the does God really intervene in the world to answer prayer previous topic. More links are needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_in_the_Bahá%27%C3%AD_Faith

Aqdasi and Qurati or Ayani

2012-12-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://www.sectsofbahais.com/ Updated with more information. http://www.sectsofbahais.com/aqdasis.html http://www.sectsofbahais.com/qurratis.html Sent from my iPad __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: Aqdasi and Qurati or Ayani

2012-12-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
, and the author thinks it's funny when people rise to the bait. I find most of it so juvenile as to not deserve a response. Don C On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:45 17AM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: http://www.sectsofbahais.com/ Updated with more information. http://www.sectsofbahais.com/aqdasis.html

Re: Aqdasi and Qurati or Ayani

2012-12-11 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, Shaykhis in Iraq do have their own political party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gathering_of_Justice_and_Unity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basra_governorate_election,_2009 While it may be true in Iran, that they're barred from govt office. It's not so in

Re: Aqdasi and Qurati or Ayani

2012-12-11 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
are banned from government offices On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, Shaykhis in Iraq do have their own political party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gathering_of_Justice_and_Unity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: Aqdasi and Qurati or Ayani

2012-12-11 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don, there are the Bayanic and the Primal Point websites, domains being dot com as the online presence of Bayanis or Bayaniists. Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Don Calkins don59...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Shaykhism as a

Re: Aqdasi and Qurati or Ayani

2012-12-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Qurratis and Ayanis are the same group, people who believe Tahirih was the successor of either Kazim Rashti of the Shayhis or the Bab of the Bayaniis. Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv

Re: Buddhism

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv A problem arise, because Buddha is referenced also in the Hindu Puranas as an avatar of Vishnu , so that could be a source of confusion. Sent from my iPad On Jan 12, 2013, at 6:33 PM, David Regal david.re...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The

Feminism and a Blog War

2013-01-25 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Not the best subject title, but the least worst rather. http://arationalfaith.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/bahai-feminism-women-and-the-universal-house-of-justice/ That's the link to my correspondence with A Rational Faith blog. It's real complicated to summarize the

Re: Feminism and a Blog War

2013-01-26 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I should have added some more to the first email, but I will wait for question to answer them. Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 0:19, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Not the best subject title, but the least worst

Re: Feminism and a Blog War

2013-01-26 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_feminism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcolonial_feminism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodern_feminism Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 19:28, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I should have added some more

Re: Feminism and a Blog War

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
in a detailed critique of postmodernism in regards to the Faith, see my Postmodernism and the Baha'i Writings in Lights of Irfan, Vol. 9, 2008 or at http://www.bahaiphilosophystudies.com/articles/?p=24 Bst wishes, Ian - Original Message - From: Stephen Kent Gray To: Baha'i

Re: Feminism and a Blog War

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
://www.bahaiphilosophystudies.com/articles/?p=24 Bst wishes, Ian - Original Message - From: Stephen Kent Gray To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Feminism and a Blog War The Baha'i Studies Listserv I should have added some more

Re: Feminism and a Blog War

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
and the Baha'i Writings in Lights of Irfan, Vol. 9, 2008 or at http://www.bahaiphilosophystudies.com/articles/?p=24 Bst wishes, Ian - Original Message - From: Stephen Kent Gray To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Feminism and a Blog War

Re: Feminism and a Blog War

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
to be rational or consistent because politics is about persuasion - not truth - and about power, not integrity. Best, Ian - Original Message - From: Stephen Kent Gray To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Feminism and a Blog War

First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Manifestations have a penchant for using the words I, me, my, mine, we, us, our, ours, and other such pronouns. Three possible interpretations are possible from the above. 1. The Manifestation means is referring to God. 2. The Manifestation is referring to the

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Technically, it depends on the use of pronoun tense (1, 2, or 3). He makes lots of use of vague pronouns which leaves a window of interpretation. Baha'i bloggers use sense 3 a lot like I've noted earlier. In reference to Baha'u'llah, a blogger (I forget which

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Those were the only instances I could remember at the time, but this is about all instances of pronouns being interpreted in any given sense. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2013, at 14:46, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv In the link

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
of the success of the Bahá'í World Order. Hasan De: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com Para: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Enviado: Domingo, 10 de febrero, 2013 4:36 P.M. Asunto: Re: First Person Grammar The Baha'i Studies Listserv Technically, it depends on the use of pronoun

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
not be rejected without consequence. I have heard that there is a passage in Persian that can be interpreted to mean that only during the day of the second Manifestation after Baha'u'llah will there be no excuse for not believing. Don C On Feb 10, 2013, at 1:36 57PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, I know that. Have any authoritative interpretations on this been translated into English? Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2013, at 17:53, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Those were the only instances I could remember at the

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-11 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv These prophecies usage of vague wording doesn't specify conversion to the Baha'i Faith. Belief in it's truth may increase, but that may result from an increase in inclusivism/pluralism, people who believe that religion other than their own are true as well as their

Virtue and Vice

2013-02-11 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Are virtue and vice defined according to Plato or Aristotle? Plato had a binary view where virtue and vice were opposing traits. Aristotle by contrast had a tertiary view where virtue was the golden mean between two vices. Christianity took a Platonic definition of

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-11 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
with the sacred vagueness which underlies all teachings of the fundamental oneness of religion when confronted with the messy details of religion in the physical world which you have presented. Gary -Original Message- From: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i

Re: Virtue and Vice

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Moderation in virtue and being excessively virtuous sound like contradictions, paradoxes, or oxymorons. Virtues are supposed to be unqualified goods. What does it mean to be too temperate? too chaste? to generous? too patient? too diligent? too humble? too kind? too

Re: What was/is Abraham's Book or Religion?

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I've heard/read that according to tradition, the Book of Abraham is the Sefer Yetzirah. Sometimes, the Testament of Abraham is identified instead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testament_of_Abraham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Yetzirah Sent from my iPad On

Re: What was/is Abraham's Book or Religion?

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also, there are three Books of Enoch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Book_of_Enoch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Enoch Sent from my iPad On Feb 1, 2013, at 13:48, Hasan Elías hasanel...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i

Re: Virtue and Vice

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_in_Islam 25 Prophets in the Quran 8 Prophets in the Qisas al-Anibya and various Hadith 8 more potential Prophets mentioned in the Quran 1 other potential Prophet menitoned in the Quran Wikipedia lists who is under what category.

Re: What was/is Abraham's Book or Religion?

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts When did he live anyway and what language did he speak? Given the fact that Adam is believed to have lived around 3761 BCE or 3616 BCE or somewhere within that time frame it's likely he lived

How does religion spread?

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What increase the chances of people converting to any religion? I looked it up on Wikipedia, this is how religion spreads. Open air preaching (preaching out in public, in the open air) Trickle down notoriety (famous/powerful people being an adherent) Door to door

Re: How does religion spread?

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
/Nontheism Confucianism Paganism/Neopaganism Zoroastrianism Sent from my iPad On Feb 12, 2013, at 22:43, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv What increase the chances of people converting to any religion? I looked it up on Wikipedia, this is how religion spreads

Re: Virtue and Vice

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
- From: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:16 pm Subject: Re: Virtue and Vice The Baha'i Studies Listserv Moderation in virtue and being excessively virtuous sound like contradictions, paradoxes, or oxymorons

Re: Virtue and Vice

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
Existentialism Baha'i Faith Objectivism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virtues http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_virtues http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_of_mercy Sent from my iPad On Feb 12, 2013, at 23:07, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote

Nafs Self

2013-02-12 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In Islam, Sufism, and the Baha'i Faith, these terms are used. Seven different types of self are enumerated by tradition. Nafs-i-ammara (Inciting self) Nafs-i-lawwama (Self-accusing self) Nafs-i-mulhama (Inspired self) Nafs-i-mutma'inna (Peaceful self) Nafs-i-radiyya

Morality defined differently by different people

2013-02-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Politics_(book) I was on Wikipedia. It somehow led to the article above by either clicking random page or click articles links. Morality, justice, child development mean different things to different people in the quotes below.

Religion articles

2013-02-19 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I was on Thelemapedia one day and found some good articles. I remember a Baha'i blog about a Baha'i who had alot of atheist friends. The blog was inconclusive, it said religion had potential for good and evil. Modern reasons for adherence to religion Typical reasons

Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)

2013-02-20 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_humans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_antecessor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rhodesiensis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-09 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don't you mean biopsychosocial? Biology, psychology, and sociology are intertwined in various disciplines. Don C, social conservatives say that all the time despite evidence contradicting that. Any scientific evidence behind your theories? Sent from my iPad On Apr

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-09 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
to be a very small percentage of people who are exclusively heterosexual or homosexual, who are incapable of orgasm in any other way. My personal guess is that each of these two categories prob constitute on the order of 1:1000. Don C On Apr 9, 2013, at 10:31 04AM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-15 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_same-sex_marriage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_religious_groups http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_denominations_in_Judaism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-16 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
? A Liberal Hindu society? A Liberal Mahayana Buddhist society? A Liberal Muslim society? A Liberal Jewish society? A Liberal Christian society? Sent from my iPad On Apr 15, 2013, at 16:10, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-17 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
? Sent from my iPad On Apr 15, 2013, at 16:10, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_same-sex_marriage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_religious_groups http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-17 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism I forgot to add the above links. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:15, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv http

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-17 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, have you read the earlier e-mail in this thread. Don C thinks society should have a zero tolerance policy towards non-heterosexuality. No marriage, no civil unions, no domestic partnership, no adoption, no parental rights, etc. He was complaining society gives

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-17 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Many cultures attempt to codify their prescriptions concerning individual sexual behaviors. Such codifications are frequently enacted as laws, extending their application beyond the culture to other cultures under the purview of the laws, including dissenters. Most

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-17 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 16:01, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Interesting, I'm a member of the Libertarian Right myself. Classical liberalism, Libertarianism, Minarchism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Laissez-faire, etc. Sounds like the concept of Aeons

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
of various dis enrolled and ex Baha'is will know how Administrators actually work. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 16:01, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Interesting, I'm a member of the Libertarian Right myself. Classical liberalism

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, I think only Indonesia is such a Muslim state. All other Muslim states impose Islamic law on all people there, regardless of their actual religious beliefs. India is another state that has religious law that varies depending upon the religion of the person.

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
50PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: Also, yes. Don C, I have noticed the Left has been authoritarian and the Right libertarian. - Understood properly, all man's problems are essentially spiritual in nature. __ You

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:37, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I really should study the implications of this. New religious movements, religions founded in the eighteenth century or later, and their relationship to post conventional morality. Baha'i

New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I remember talking about these concepts earlier. Post conventional morality is based on a social contract and universal ethical principles without regards to specific terms on which they need to be based upon. Conventional morality is based on authority and

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_ethics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_(Scientology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_morality Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:43, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I remember

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, how would consultation work in the overall world rather than just in the Baha'i community? You seem to forget about all the non-Baha'i religious texts out there. You also seem to think that any group of people with any types of religious beliefs can get

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
believe that Baha'u'llah has given us God's most recent revelation. On 04/18/2013 12:16 PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The articles show the relationship between religion and morality and ethics. Why should non- Bahai's take Baha'i morality and ethics over all else

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
to study everything and commit to nothing. This can be a path to insanity. I hope that is not your fate. On 04/18/2013 11:37 AM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I really should study the implications of this. New religious movements, religions founded in the eighteenth

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
, Mike Moum mike.m...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Because Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah has given us God's most recent revelation. On 04/18/2013 12:16 PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The articles show the relationship between religion and morality

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
, at 13:14, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv That really doesn't answer the question. Non-Baha'is won't just accept that statement as factual because Baha'is believe it. A lot of Baha'is have magical thinking that somehow non-Baha'is will naturally

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How would consultation work now for setting public policy? Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:28, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Would non-Bahais be bound by Baha'i laws or not? Dear Stephen, I don't think we can say

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
Selchert ebedeyn...@aol.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv ...And yet you so often bless us with your comments. Why are we so blessed? -Original Message- From: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:12 am

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
, at 14:08, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I generously bless people. It's what I do. Also, I'm trained in logic and can notify people when they're using fallacies. Also, I'm an ex non dis enrolled Baha'i who left because of the logical inconsistencies

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How come this topic is ignored in favor or Against nature? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I forgot to include specific religious ethics. Note, Scientology and Wicca are good

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hmmm...Logic is also not on our list of world religions. Have you ever been diagnosed with OCD? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder It's a treatable disorder. GS -Original Message- From: Stephen Kent Gray

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How should people use consultation to arrive at public policy? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 13:08, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, how would consultation work in the overall world rather than just

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
not on our list of world religions. Have you ever been diagnosed with OCD? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder It's a treatable disorder. GS -Original Message- From: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Here below is a Wikipedia excerpt. Note Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. are listed as completely illegal alcohol status rather than just Saudi Arabia like you imply. Also note Iran and Pakistan are listed as almost

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's cause we live in a post conventional age unlike the conventional age of Adam as referenced earlier in Against Nature. This age isn't about materialistic and paternalistic people treating people as if they were sheep. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:16,

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
to enforce on their members. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:26, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's cause we live in a post conventional age unlike the conventional age of Adam as referenced earlier in Against Nature. This age isn't about

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv So basically from all the info we live in the Age of the New Religious Movement! Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:27, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv To quote Don C, According to Baha'u'llah, this is not merely

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It also listed various countries with legal drinking ages and the side note illegal for Muslims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_drug_use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:24, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv So basically from all the info we live in the Age of the New Religious Movement! Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:27, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv To quote Don C, According

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-18 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv According to some blogs I've read... http://bahaisects.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/bahai-leadership-may-spy-on-you/ Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:51, Ian Kluge iankl...@netbistro.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Stephen: Actually the stories I've

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv South Sudan is its own country now. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 18:32, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Note Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. are listed as completely

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think conventions can hinder moral and ethical development. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 14:19, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv How come this topic is ignored in favor or Against nature? Sent from my iPad

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2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv People can use consultation aka Athenian Democracy without the Baha'i Faith or any particular religion at all or even religion itself. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 14:49, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv How should

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
have to actually drink the alcohol once you get it, but you need to see which one of us is correct. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:24, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Here below is a Wikipedia excerpt. Note Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I like the Golden Rule as the beginning, the middle, and the end of all ethics and of all morality. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:43, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I remember talking about these concepts earlier

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2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
. On 04/18/2013 12:16 PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv The articles show the relationship between religion and morality and ethics. Why should non- Bahai's take Baha'i morality and ethics over all else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality_and_religion http

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I forgot to include specific religious ethics. Note, Scientology and Wicca are good examples of the hypothesis. The Baha'i Faith and Religious Humanism are good examples as well

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I've studied Antinomianism is various religions. It's a good example of post conventional religious tendencies. Pashupata Shaivism is one example that comes to mind. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:39, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote

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2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't really care for officially dis enrolling. It seems like a lot of hard work. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 14:08, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I generously bless people. It's what I do. Also, I'm trained

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2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm referring to beliefs not practices. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:51, Ian Kluge iankl...@netbistro.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Stephen: Actually the stories I've read of Baha'i Administration in action rivals North Korea, Soviet Union,

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2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Why isn't the Baha'i Faith a liberal religion? Sent from my iPad On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:14, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Opps, needed to correct one of the links. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenderism_and_religion

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2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Why do they call it midnight if its really early morning? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 16:01, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv According to some blogs I've read... http://bahaisects.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/bahai

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I wholeheartedly agree with Humanist praise for the Golden Rule. Authoritarian dogmatic attachment to a conventional code of laws and rules will cause people to lose sight of the Golden Rule. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
of Eris began in 1958. It's the same but on steroids. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 16:01, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Interesting, I'm a member of the Libertarian Right myself. Classical liberalism, Libertarianism, Minarchism, Anarcho

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2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm a huge fan of Religious Humanism. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 16:15, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv That reminds me that while I'm fiscally responsible, I'm socially tolerant. I'm currently religious Humanist

Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, why do Baha'is need to be ignorant of all ethics and all morality that isn't the Baha'i Faith? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:16, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv I remember talking about these concepts earlier.

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Do you have or any else here have expertise in biology, psychology, and sociology? Also, what idiot can't spell psychological? Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 13:43, Hasan Elías hasanel...@yahoo.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi David, I wonder

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