Re: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

2003-03-09 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jon Gabriel wrote: IMNSHO, the 'Earth' character Jen Wolling had it right. Read everything and let your worldview be shaken every once in a while. So, just for the heck of it, I thought I'd post an opposing viewpoint courtesy of Molly Ivins. :-) As much as I personally disagree with the

RE: Question about Spoilers

2003-03-09 Thread Lalith Vipulananthan
George wrote: I know scholarly works must show an extensive vocabulary, but SF and/or Fantasy novels don't. I don't agree. Why should genre determine the vocabulary used within a novel? Of course, all this is a matter of personal taste and as for Covenant, didn't like the taste. Don't ask

Re: BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars!

2003-03-09 Thread Richard Baker
Jon said: At least one book contains the singularity at the center of the Earth' concept as well. (Well, he didn't call it that) The Earth is also destroyed by a black hole in Dan Simmons' _Hyperion_ and Mars is threatened with destruction by one in Niven's The Hole Man (1974). As for

Re: Question about Spoilers

2003-03-09 Thread G. D. Akin
Lalith Vipulananthan asked: Just out of interest, how old were you when you read these books? In my early 30s. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Genghis Khan, super-stud

2003-03-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:56 8-3-2003 -0500, Han Tacoma wrote: Can't say I ever had that urge. However, Sonja and I do enjoy eating at our local Mongolian restaurant named after said warrior. The only one in Holland (I think). Uh-oh. Time for another crash course in Dutch geography. It's not Holland, it's The

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:21 8-3-2003 -0800, Debbi Harrell wrote: Moreover, we cannot afford to bring our troops home for a few months and send them back in the Fall. No, they certainly can't stay there 'indefinitely.' Unfortunately, that means that there WILL be a war against Iraq. If the US withdraws it troops

Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER

2003-03-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 00:39 9-3-2003 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: TERRIFIED Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started. The motley band of a dozen troops waved the white flag as British paratroopers tested their

Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Ticia
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/farscape/gallery/wanted/index.shtml Ticia ',:) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

demographics

2003-03-09 Thread The Fool
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,906875,00.html The US is on the right wavelength Liberalism doesn't get a hearing on American radio or television Matthew Engel in America Tuesday March 4, 2003 The Guardian You are white, male, and old enough to vote but probably too young to

Thomas Covenant (was RE: Question about Spoilers)

2003-03-09 Thread Lalith Vipulananthan
George wrote: Lalith Vipulananthan asked: Just out of interest, how old were you when you read these books? In my early 30s. Thus shooting a hole in one theory I'd developed with Ritu that age is a determining factor in one's enjoyment of the Covenant books. Most of the people I know who

Now Your Vote Is The Property Of A Private Corporation

2003-03-09 Thread The Fool
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0306-04.htm Now Your Vote Is The Property Of A Private Corporation by Thom Hartmann The right of voting for representatives is the primary right by which all other rights are protected. To take away this right is to reduce a man to slavery -- Thomas

The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread The Fool
http://archive.nytimes.com/2003/03/06/opinion/06HERB.html The War on Schools By BOB HERBERT There's something surreal about the fact that the United States of America, the richest, most powerful nation in history, can't provide a basic public school education for all of its children. Actually,

Scouted: Frustrated User Shoots Computer

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
Of course, the journalist left out the most important piece of information: What Model Was It? How else are the rest of us to avoid ending up in jail?! ;-) Jon ROU Valium Required (Buckshot Class) From AP LAFAYETTE, Colo. (March 5) - George Doughty hung his latest hunting trophy on the wall

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:23:57 +0100 At 16:21 8-3-2003 -0800, Debbi Harrell wrote: Moreover, we cannot afford to bring our troops

Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER

2003-03-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:29 AM Subject: Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER At 00:39 9-3-2003 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: TERRIFIED Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait

Re: Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Farscape posters Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:34:35 +0100 http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/farscape/gallery/wanted/index.shtml The posters are neat. If only the campaign had been

Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:29:05 +0100 At 00:39 9-3-2003 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: TERRIFIED Iraqi soldiers have

Re: Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Ticia
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/farscape/gallery/wanted/index.shtml The posters are neat. If only the campaign had been successful. :( What do you mean, isn't it still going on? The campaign started after it became known there wasn't going to be a

Pyongyang: We'll put a torch to New York

2003-03-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/07/1046826533281.html North Korea would launch a ballistic missile attack on the United States if Washington made a pre-emptive strike against the communist state's nuclear facility, the man described as Pyongyang's unofficial spokesman claimed yesterday.

Re: Scouted: Frustrated User Shoots Computer

2003-03-09 Thread William T Goodall
On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 01:41 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Of course, the journalist left out the most important piece of information: What Model Was It? How else are the rest of us to avoid ending up in jail?! ;-) Jon ROU Valium Required (Buckshot Class) It was a Dell laptop apparently.

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 07:17:20 -0600 http://archive.nytimes.com/2003/03/06/opinion/06HERB.html The War on Schools By BOB HERBERT There's something surreal

Re: Scouted: Frustrated User Shoots Computer

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scouted: Frustrated User Shoots Computer Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:03:40 + On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 01:41 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Of course,

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:13:47AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Yet, as far as i can see. there isn't one constructive suggestion in this entire editorial. I thought it was implied that some or all of the money that was spent on waging war in Iraq should instead be spent on schools and education

Re: Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Farscape posters Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:47:57 +0100 Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Gary L. Nunn
The series ending episode is supposed to be a cliffhanger. :( Jon So how many episodes are left? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Gary L. Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Farscape posters Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:33:28 -0500 The series ending episode is supposed to be a cliffhanger. :( Jon So how many episodes are left? SciFi airs La Bomba on Friday, 3/14. That's the penultimate episode. The last episode is

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:38:59AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Considering what we may have started with the DPRK, perhaps cutting funding to antimissile systems isn't such a great idea right now. :( Only if you live in fantasy land. Shooting down missiles is not a likely way to protect

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:45:56 -0500 On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:38:59AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Considering what we may have started

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 11:01:39AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Maybe in another 20 years we'll have a _working_ antimissile system ;-) Maybe not. Maybe some of the money would be better spent developing technology and a good system for inspecting cargo containers -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 10:38 AM 3/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:19:30 -0500 On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:13:47AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Yet, as far as i can see. there isn't one constructive suggestion in this entire

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:40:47 +0100 At 18:16 7-3-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: As for the security of the people of Israel, I

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 9 Mar 2003 at 10:38, Jon Gabriel wrote: Considering what we may have started with the DPRK, perhaps cutting funding to antimissile systems isn't such a great idea right now. :( *sigh* Jon If they WORKED vs ICBMs, I might be more interested. The only anti- missile systems which are even

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 9 Mar 2003 at 11:59, Jon Gabriel wrote: As for the security of the people of Israel, I think the IDF is quite capable of defending Israel -- as is proven by the fact that, despite several wars, the state of Israel still exists today. Jeroen, have you ever been to Israel? No -- and I

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 17:43:58 - On 9 Mar 2003 at 10:38, Jon Gabriel wrote: Considering what we may have started with the DPRK,

Re: Iran's Nuclear Threat

2003-03-09 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 9 Mar 2003 at 12:29, John D. Giorgis wrote: Iran. Not that I consider war with Iran inevitable - it is WAY, WAY, WAY too early for that but suffice to say that having that option available will provide an invaluable element of persuausion for Iran to accept disarmament, and inspections

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 9 Mar 2003 at 12:35, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 10:38 AM 3/9/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: Education is _very_ underfunded. Teachers definitely need to be paid more and the system needs more money for basics. (My wife's an educator... you won't see an argument from me on that!) :) Yes,

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:35:47 -0500 At 10:38 AM 3/9/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: Education is _very_ underfunded. Teachers

Re: BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars!

2003-03-09 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars! Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:55:17 EST In a message dated 3/8/2003 8:41:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And any good idea can turn

Re: BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars!

2003-03-09 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] While we're at it, here's a query from a friend of mine. Dear Dave, Do you remember the Arthur C. Clarke story about skydiving from space that is written as if it's an emergency, and then it turns out to just be a new form of competitive skydiving? Rick

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:05:53PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: There's a *huge* multipage section on the ed.gov website which lists teacher shortages by curriculum for every state. I studied it when my wife was job hunting at the end of last year:

Re: Banning the French . . .

2003-03-09 Thread chaton . jm
* Jean-Louis Couturier [Sun, 23/02/2003 at 01:50 -0500] He got more than 80% of the vote. In the primaries, the left vote was divided and the two candidates with the most votes were Chirac and Le Pen. Here is BBC's profile on Le Pen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1943193.stm The

Re: demographics

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:50 AM 3/9/2003 -0600 The Fool wrote: Rich pinkos are trying to put together a scheme to start a liberal talk-show, but it is doomed because the essence of liberalism is that it does not deal in the slashing handed-down certainties That's odd Mr. Fool, because you manage to to do an

Re: Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Ticia
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do you mean, isn't it still going on? The campaign started after it became known there wasn't going to be a 5th season, and that was after they had already wrapped season 4. Nobody knew this was going to happen, as a 4th and 5th season had

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:45:50PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: Unfortunately, the US would be very foolish to create a new such organization, in which it could be outvoted That is called democracy, and it is not foolish. The organization should have proportional representation, with each

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: The War on Schools On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:05:53PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: There's a *huge* multipage section on the ed.gov

Re: Question for JDG (or anyone else with a good answer)

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:22 PM 12/18/2002 -0600 Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: According to labor statistics, productivity for American workers continues to climb. I can understand how that is measured for industries in which there is a measurable *thing* produced, such as cars or toasters, but how do those statistics get

Re: Gulf War Casualties

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:02 PM 3/8/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: The implications of this official report are staggering! As of May 2002, the Gulf War casualties include 8306 veterans dead and 159705 veterans injured or ill as a consequence of wartime service to our nation. The official May 2002 Department of

Re: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:38 PM 3/7/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: IMNSHO, the 'Earth' character Jen Wolling had it right. Read everything and let your worldview be shaken every once in a while. Yeah. but when Jen exposed herself to newviewpoints, she didn't also have to expose herself to Jeroen's

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:24:09PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: The problem isn't getting a warm body to be an in-school babysitter. The problem is getting quality, or even qualified people to teach our children. Many public school systems (and even some private schools) have a hard time

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:23:05 -0500 On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:05:53PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: There's a *huge* multipage section on the ed.gov website which lists teacher shortages by curriculum for every state. I studied

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
Frickin' Frackin Delete Key: From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:33:39 -0500 From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003

Re: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:28:57 -0500 At 10:38 PM 3/7/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: IMNSHO, the 'Earth' character Jen

Re: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
Does it strike anyone else as odd to have a contest about who could have the most number of people killed in a war? I think accomplishing the goals and having the least killed is a better metric. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:42 AM 3/9/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:29:05 +0100 At 00:39 9-3-2003 -0600, Robert Seeberger

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:19 AM 3/9/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:13:47AM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Yet, as far as i can see. there isn't one constructive suggestion in this entire editorial. I thought it was implied that some or all of the money that was spent on waging war in Iraq

Re: Farscape posters

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:29 AM 3/9/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Jon Rygel: That's krogar. A delicacy, even for pagans. I thought it was a chain of supermarkets . . . -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 03:11:41PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: As already mentioned by other posters, education funding is mostly handled at the local level. In a large number of places, it is funded by property taxes. Especially during hard economic times, the voters=homeowners do not

Re: Iran's Nuclear Threat

2003-03-09 Thread Doug Pensinger
Andrew Crystall wrote: And the Isralies will quite probably blow up the reactor if they can definitely locate it early enough anyway. And the Islamic world will hown in protest. Again. And the western world will, once more, look slightly relieved. 'Course maybe they'll just buy a nuke or two

Re: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

2003-03-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:28 09-03-03 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: IMNSHO, the 'Earth' character Jen Wolling had it right. Read everything and let your worldview be shaken every once in a while. Yeah. but when Jen exposed herself to newviewpoints, she didn't also have to expose herself to Jeroen's

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:35 PM 3/9/03 -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 10:38 AM 3/9/2003 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: Education is _very_ underfunded. Teachers definitely need to be paid more and the system needs more money for basics. (My wife's an educator... you won't see an argument from me on that!) :) Yes, and

Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER

2003-03-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:42 09-03-03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Outta curiosity, how does the Dutch military deal with deserters? In peace time, they'd be arrested, tried, sent to military prison for a while, and then get a dishonourable discharge. The same would probably happen during a time of war; if we *do*

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Reggie Bautista
Erik wrote: Here's something that I would like to see. I wonder if anyone has done such a study? I know that in some locations, teachers are paid a lot more than average. In rich suburbs of big cities, I believe this happens frequently. It would be interesting to compare shortages in such

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Re: The War on Schools On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:24:09PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: The problem isn't getting a warm body to be an

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 11:59 09-03-03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Jeroen, have you ever been to Israel? No -- and I am not planning on going there in the forseeable future either. I asked for the following reason: I have it on good authority from people who have been (including my wife) that the original,

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:06:39PM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: DISCLAIMER: This isn't a scientific study, and could be misleading. It is basically a single data point. So at first blush, this suggests that there is no correlation between salaries and shortages, at least just looking at

Re: Another breed of international criminals: Patients (not L3)

2003-03-09 Thread freewire1
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:54:52 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: We in Canada are having our own tug-o-war regarding this issue and my interest in what happens in the USA is because having a 1000 lbs. gorilla as neighbour will have an influnce in our policies. Anti-American MP's with big mouths do tend to

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:37 PM 3/9/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Of possible interest: when NY's Stuyvesant High School planned their new building in Battery Park City (late '80's), they did it themselves, with minimal architect consultation. Here's how they did it: the Drafting department designed the shell of

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:24 PM 3/9/2003 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: The problem isn't getting a warm body to be an in-school babysitter. The problem is getting quality, or even qualified people to teach our children. Many public school systems (and even some private schools) have a hard time finding instructors

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:22 PM 3/9/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 03:11:41PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: As already mentioned by other posters, education funding is mostly handled at the local level. In a large number of places, it is funded by property taxes. Especially during hard

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:24 PM 3/9/2003 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: The problem isn't getting a warm body to be an in-school babysitter. The problem is getting quality, or even qualified people to teach our children. Many public school systems (and even some private schools) have a hard time finding instructors

Re: Patriot II

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:29 PM 3/2/2003 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: So, just what war crimes do you think someone sitting at a water treatment plant is committing? The death of innocent civilians. This crime is a two way street yes, warring parties have to try and avoid civilian casualties, but civilians have to

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:22:48PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Probably not if the additional funds go to hire overpaid bureaucrats rather than additional teachers, as I described in the third (snipped) paragraph of that message. You sound like a bureaucrat yourself, rather than a problem

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:19 PM 3/9/03 -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 02:24 PM 3/9/2003 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: The problem isn't getting a warm body to be an in-school babysitter. The problem is getting quality, or even qualified people to teach our children. Many public school systems (and even some private

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:30 PM 3/9/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:22:48PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Probably not if the additional funds go to hire overpaid bureaucrats rather than additional teachers, as I described in the third (snipped) paragraph of that message. You sound like a

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:46:12PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: No, I'm a taxpayer who thinks they're wasting much of the money they already collect. The solution to the problem is to first get rid of the overpaid bureaucrats and the corruption, then see if additional taxes are needed.

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Jon Gabriel wrote: I didn't say 'pay administrators more'. I said 'pay teachers more'. Yes, I agree that in many cases monies designated for education have been misappropriated in the past by beauracracies. I agree with you that we should make sure funding goes into the pockets of the

Re: BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars!

2003-03-09 Thread d.brin
I did visit thecoremovie.com. There I found a synopsis that seems considerably less similar to EARTH than the freelance synopsis I saw elsewhere. No mention of using earthquakes as weapons, for example. I had had an impression they were going down to look for something that had fallen.

Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER

2003-03-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: xponent What Do These Surrender Monkeys Eat? Maru Betcha they'd eat cheese if it were offered them Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Scouted: Frustrated User Shoots Computer

2003-03-09 Thread Julia Thompson
William T Goodall wrote: On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 01:41 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Of course, the journalist left out the most important piece of information: What Model Was It? How else are the rest of us to avoid ending up in jail?! ;-) Jon ROU Valium Required (Buckshot Class)

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Reggie Bautista
Ronn! wrote: How about if we restrict it to math and science teachers, particularly at the junior high and high school level? Someone with a masters degree in math or the sciences can often find a better-paying job than teaching at that level in the public schools, and the better-paying job

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Julia Thompson
J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 22:34 7-3-2003 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: And if you can't understand the difference between the two types of resolution when it's spelled out for you for the third time, Until a few days ago I didn't even know there were two types of resolution. I can

Re: Stargate SG-1

2003-03-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Gary L. Nunn wrote: I really, really like Stargate SG-1, but it is really starting to annoy me that every alien race that they meet knows English - but they all have alien type writing. I realize that the back story is that all of the humans in the galaxy have common origins because of the

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:45:50PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: Unfortunately, the US would be very foolish to create a new such organization, in which it could be outvoted That is called democracy, and it is not foolish. The organization should have proportional representation, with each

Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SADDAM'S SOLDIERS SURRENDER Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 23:06:33 +0100 At 09:42 09-03-03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Outta curiosity, how does the Dutch military deal with deserters? In peace time, they'd be arrested, tried, sent to military prison

Do the anti-anti-war critics want a country without peace adocates?

2003-03-09 Thread Nick Arnett
Perhaps the subject says it all; in case is doesn't... With almost any war or threat of war, some will brand anti-war protestors as traitors, etc. Or perhaps as jackasses. Over the last few days, I've found myself seriously wondering what it means when there are so many such complaints against

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:10:37 -0600 At 12:37 PM 3/9/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Of possible interest: when NY's Stuyvesant High School planned their new building in Battery Park City (late '80's), they did it themselves,

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The War on Schools Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 17:21:48 -0600 Jon Gabriel wrote: I didn't say 'pay administrators more'. I said 'pay teachers more'.

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 18:57:05 -0500 On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:45:50PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: Unfortunately, the US would be very foolish to create a new such organization, in which it could be outvoted That

BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars!

2003-03-09 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars! Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:15:04 -0800 I did visit thecoremovie.com. There I found a synopsis that seems considerably less

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
Erik Reuter wrote: Unfortunately, the US would be very foolish to create a new such organization, in which it could be outvoted That is called democracy, and it is not foolish. The organization should have proportional representation, with each country member having votes proportional to its

RE: Stargate SG-1

2003-03-09 Thread Gary L. Nunn
Did they have different languages in the movie? Julia Yes, they spoke some variation of some obscure Egyptian dialect that Samuel Jackson eventually recognized and understood. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:35:02PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: I can't believe that a libertarian or at least a neo-libertarian is writing that. Does it make you feel more secure in your self-righteous understanding of someone once you assign them a label, John? If so, you'll have to try

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: Let's say that the US proposes a League of Democracies, with membership invitations extended to all members of NATO, all members of the EU (including newly invited members), most of Latin America (except Cuba, Venezuela, and a few others), Ok, why not Venezuela? Even if you consider

Re: The War on Schools

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 05:21:48PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I overheard the tale of one case in Texas where the taxpayers approved a property tax increase so the teachers would be paid more -- and the extra money all went to administrators. The people who'd made the decision in defiance

Re: Scouted: Frustrated User Shoots Computer

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 05:23:39PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd be interested in which OS was on it, as well. The story doesn't say. If it is a Dell laptop, I'd bet at 1000:1 that it is running Windows. Or did you mean which flavor of Windows? -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread Damon
This may well be so, but bear in mind that the British Army has already started receiving its Apache Longbows and the French and German armies will start getting their Tigers in December (I must admit to knowing little about helicopters, but it seems to me that the Tigers will be not much less

Re: Do the anti-anti-war critics want a country without peaceadocates?

2003-03-09 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:07:48PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Perhaps the subject says it all; in case is doesn't... With almost any war or threat of war, some will brand anti-war protestors as traitors, etc. Or perhaps as jackasses. Over the last few days, I've found myself seriously

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-09 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:44 AM 3/10/2003 - Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ok, why not Venezuela? Even if you consider Chavez a dictatorial type, he is still the elected power in Venezuela, and, if nothing weird happens, he will pass the power to the next elected power in a few months. [BTW: neither Argentina nor

Re: Iran's Nuclear Threat

2003-03-09 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 01:33 PM 3/9/2003 -0800, you wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: And the Isralies will quite probably blow up the reactor if they can definitely locate it early enough anyway. And the Islamic world will hown in protest. Again. And the western world will, once more, look slightly relieved. 'Course

RE: Question about Spoilers

2003-03-09 Thread Horn, John
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The first Covenant trilogy in one word:Depressing. great The second trilogy in more than one word:Even more depressing. awful - jmh To Each His Own Maru ___

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