Re: AOL has problems

2003-07-24 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] My initial reaction to the subject line: No ***, Sherlock . . . --Ronn! :) What goes up, must come down. Long Live Compuserve :-) JJ (I miss my Sysop Flags) _ Add photos to your

How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/20/international/worldspecial/20WEAP.html?pagewanted=1th exert: In the fall, as the debate intensified over whether to have inspectors return to Iraq, senior government officials continued to suggest that the United States had new or better intelligence that

Re: Religion based ethics

2003-07-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see our morals evolving before our very eyes, don't you? Not really. Remember there is no purpose to evolution, it just is. Isn't there at least one, however vaguely defined purpose to evolution:

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 12:42 AM 7/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... A lot of it probably has to do with collapse of an ideology. September 11th was the deathknell of the modern American left. It simply had no meaningful response to the attack other than to suggest - either openly or by

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/20/international/worldspecial/20WEAP.html?pagewanted=1th exert: In the fall, as the debate intensified over whether to have inspectors return to Iraq, senior government officials continued to suggest that the

Re: Death of Saddam's Sons

2003-07-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd hate to start a war of our own, but was this *really* necessary? Just pondering different points of view.. JJ Your particular objection to what happened being? What point of view

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:15:17 -0400 At 12:42 AM 7/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... A lot of it probably

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-24 Thread Ray Ludenia
David Hobby No, it doesn't. I read all three quotes as We will attack all of the nasty weapons that Iraq has. If wombats were credible WMD, he would have included them too. : ) They certainly are! You should see the holes they dig. :-) They also love to leave their turds on the tee-markers

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:27:20PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: There are 2 kinds of bank account routing numbers: 1 for deposits, 1 for withdrawals. If you give them the routing number for depositing stuff in your account, they ask for the *other* number. At least, this is my

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Ray Ludenia
Gautam Mukunda --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But of course this statement was carefully crafted. The CIA could not confirm the allegation so the speech writers found language that the CIA could live with. So this was not simply a statement of fact. The speech writer came up with a phrase

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 03:17:37AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: But still your missing the point. I just can't see how an intelegant person is hoodwinked by this rediculous propoganda. Since we are being snippy...I just can't see how an intelligent person could post writing like this. It would

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:52 AM 7/24/2003 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote: For a statement that you think was so carefully crafted to shield the administration from accusations of lies, What's carefully crafted about The British have learned JDG ___ John

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:42 AM 7/24/2003 -0400 David Hobby wrote: Like it or not, if your policies make some people angry enough to kill themselves to show their displeasure, you need to rethink your policies. I totally disagree. If your policies make evil men angry enough to kill themselves, you are

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:27:44AM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: I don't understand this - every time I sell something on eBay I give away my bank account info for them to put the funds into. How does the bank account info help them? When you say you give away your bank account info, what

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda ... Taken advantage of by people more interested in political power than the national interest. This sounds to me about as rational as characterizing the right as people more interested

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Tarr ... You, sir, are an idiot. I'm having a hard time seeing that sentence as anything other than a personal attack. Please refrain from that sort of generalization. Nick

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-24 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk
Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.european-lotteries.org/pdf/dayzers_warning.pdf The scams are getting deep these days xponent Da Winner Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
While I am sure that many of you will not support the first half of the proposed ammendment, (although I would point out that this first half does not rule out civil unions - such as the ones currently embraced by the gay community in Vermont.) Nevertheless, I would hope that everyone would be

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it did do a lot to cause the attack. And not by harmlessly distributing Britney Spears videos, either. Some of being targeted was because America was walking point for the West in general. But the US has done a lot of selfish things

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:42:47 -0400 Gautam Mukunda wrote: ... A lot of it probably has to do with collapse of an ideology.

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken advantage of by people more interested in political power than the national interest. This sounds to me about as rational as characterizing the right as people more interested in economic power than the national interest. Which is, of

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT) snip What George Bush understands - but what all the so-called intellectuals who

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda What's it's really about, though, is hate. Well, hate and envy. A large portion of the world's left just goes batshit crazy at the idea of George Bush. So much so that no one, nothing, is more important

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread The Fool
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The left is defunct only if we remain forever in a state of total war. And that's precisely why a vaguely defined, open-ended war on terrorism that suspends normal checks and balances for civil rights

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda ... The Joint Chiefs could probably do a pretty good job of it. They could do no worse than the people running them now, certainly. But, Nick, the war against terrorism is more

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like the mythical ostrich, I guess. As long as the Ignorance is strength huh? Ostriches are __NOT__ mythical. True, but they don't stick their head in the sands. It is the mythical ostrich that does that. Not the real one. = Gautam Mukunda

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread The Fool
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like the mythical ostrich, I guess. As long as the Ignorance is strength huh? Ostriches are __NOT__ mythical. True, but they don't stick their head in the sands. It is the mythical ostrich that does

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] But by your logic, shouldn't we therefore expect that the administration's next target will be the Saudis? There's plenty of evidence that they have harbored, supported and trained terrorists whose sole goal is American genocide. Why do you think we

RE: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-24 Thread Chad Cooper
-Original Message- From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:44 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:27:44AM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: I don't understand this - every time

RE: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Horn, John
From: Doug Pensinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/20/international/worldspecial/2 0WEAP.html?pagewanted=1th To my mind, the most telling and eye-catching point in the judgment of five of the six intelligence agencies was that if left unchecked, Iraq would

W, corporate shill

2003-07-24 Thread The Fool
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/opinion/24SAFI.html?ex=1059624000en=5fa ea66331fcf207ei=5062partner=GOOGLE Bush's Four Horsemen By WILLIAM SAFIRE WASHINGTON On the domestic front, President Bush is backing into a buzz saw. The sleeper issue is media giantism. People are beginning to grasp

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 03:17:37AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: But still your missing the point. I just can't see how an intelegant person is hoodwinked by this rediculous propoganda. Since we are being snippy...I just can't see how an intelligent

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-24 Thread Richard Baker
David said: If wombats were credible WMD, he would have included them too. : ) ...thus giving me the chance to point out that I was responsible for: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blosxom.cgi/2002/Oct/22#wombat Rich VFP A Colder War ___

Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say

2003-07-24 Thread The Fool
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1059710400en= d989a69c518293a6ei=5062partner=GOOGLE Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say By JOHN SCHWARTZ The software that runs many high-tech voting machines contains serious flaws that would allow voters to cast extra

Re: Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say

2003-07-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:23:52 -0500 http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1059710400en=

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-24 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 07:26 2003-07-24 -0400, John D Giorgis posted a text containing the following: Gay marriage would cut the final cord that ties marriage to the well-being of children. It is a step we should not take. Our cultural forgetting of the meaning of marriage has already had too many sad consequences

RE: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Reggie Bautista
Doug posted: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/20/international/worldspecial/2 0WEAP.html?pagewanted=1th To my mind, the most telling and eye-catching point in the judgment of five of the six intelligence agencies was that if left unchecked, Iraq would most likely have a nuclear weapon in

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
Who said anything about restrictions? As far as spellcheckers, I can't see how an intelligent person is hoodwinked by this ridiculous propaganda. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-24 Thread Brad DeLong
David said: If wombats were credible WMD, he would have included them too. : ) ...thus giving me the chance to point out that I was responsible for: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blosxom.cgi/2002/Oct/22#wombat Rich VFP A Colder War I don't suppose4 you got a free copy of _Singularity Sky_

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-24 Thread Richard Baker
Brad said: I don't suppose4 you got a free copy of _Singularity Sky_ out o fit, did you? No, alas not. Rich GCU One Line Reply ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There *could* be a joke in there somewhere about how illogical and irrational subjects aren't inherently understandable, but I certainly won't go searching for it.

Re: Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say

2003-07-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say By JOHN SCHWARTZ No, it isn't. See the recent brazilian elections. Unfortunately, it's not idiot-proof, and we keep electing jerks :-/ Alberto Monteiro ___

Re: AOL has problems

2003-07-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: My initial reaction to the subject line: No ***, Sherlock . . . Then there's the paraphrase, Sure no, S***lock. That acted almost like a little temporary emotional reset button on someone who was in desperate need of one. I don't know how many times I defused her

link: Atlas of the Universe

2003-07-24 Thread Alberto Monteiro
It shows the position of the Sun relative to the near stars and then zooms out to the whole observable Universe: http://www.anzwers.org/free/universe/ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Arrgh!

2003-07-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
Is anyone else having their list messages bounced back? Vey frustrating! I even tried to forward one to Nick and his address was bounced. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2

RE: When does it end? (RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words)

2003-07-24 Thread Horn, John
From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How does this end? Can anyone offer a definition of the conditions necessary for us to return to peacetime, or whatever one might properly call 'normal' conditions? It ends when the US has dominated all the other countries in the world, I

Dreaming (was: Science and Knowledge)

2003-07-24 Thread Horn, John
-Original Message- I waited to allow someone else to come up with this one. We have no scientific means to allow people to tell if they are dreaming, even though dreams have been studied for thousands of years. We have means to see if other people are dreaming, but we have no

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Science and knowledge Dan Minette wrote: I think the key to reconciling this with the general description of physicists as

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who said anything about restrictions? As far as spellcheckers, I can't see how an intelligent person is hoodwinked by this ridiculous propaganda. I do not hav ethe time, or fel that I should be expected to run everything through a spell checker. If as

Re: Arrgh!

2003-07-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:11 PM 7/24/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: Is anyone else having their list messages bounced back? Vey frustrating! I even tried to forward one to Nick and his address was bounced. This one reached the list (obviously ;-) ) . . . (I thought of offering to forward a message to Nick

Re: AOL has problems

2003-07-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:50 PM 7/24/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: My initial reaction to the subject line: No ***, Sherlock . . . Then there's the paraphrase, Sure no, S***lock. Or, No shirt, Shylock. None Of Which Makes AOL Any Better Maru --Ronn! :) I always knew that I

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
As far as it taking an inordinate amount of time to run an email through a spellchecker, I can't see how an intelligent person is hoodwinked by this ridiculous propaganda. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Friday browncoat republicans in the house of representatives called the police to arrest and remove democratic representatives from a library in the house of representatives. The future is here and now. Never before has something so shocking

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:14:07 +0100David said: If wombats were credible WMD, he would

[Listref] Near-death experiences (NDE)

2003-07-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
I don't remember the original thread, but Ritu had mentioned a study in which near-death experiences were surveyed; here is one article about that: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/DrJohnson/GMA020108Near_death_experiences.html ...The study reported in Lancet looked at 344 patients in the

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-24 Thread TomFODW
Nevertheless, I would hope that everyone would be in favor of the second half.  I think that this issue is so important and controversial that it should be decided by the State Legislatures and Congress, which are elected by the people, and not written by unelected judges. As will hardly

RE: Arrgh!

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
Send me the headers for something that bounced. Obviously, this message of yours didn't. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:12 PM To:

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think that without serious citizen oversight, the Ashcroft Justice Dept. would (or will) make a mockery of the Constitution. If people don't make noise about it, we will lose some of our civil rights and freedom (some will say that we

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:41 AM Subject: Re: How we were hoodwinked On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 03:17:37AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: But still your missing the point. I just can't

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.european-lotteries.org/pdf/dayzers_warning.pdf

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-24 Thread Russell Chapman
Erik Reuter wrote: When you say you give away your bank account info, what exactly are you talking about? (I don't mean post the numbers, I mean the descriptive terms for what you give, like routing number, account number, bank name, etc.) All Australian banks have a code called the BSB code,

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Ray Ludenia wrote: David Hobby No, it doesn't. I read all three quotes as We will attack all of the nasty weapons that Iraq has. If wombats were credible WMD, he would have included them too. : ) They certainly are! You should see the holes they dig. :-) They also love to leave

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: Since we are being snippy... rest snipped ;) Julia who *could* start getting snippy in the other sense, but it's just not worth the energy today ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread The Fool
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Friday browncoat republicans in the house of representatives called the police to arrest and remove democratic representatives from a library in the house of representatives. The future is here

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread The Fool
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think that without serious citizen oversight, the Ashcroft Justice Dept. would (or will) make a mockery of the Constitution. If people don't make noise about it, we will lose some of our

Re: Fw: Congratuations for winning our lottery

2003-07-24 Thread Russell Chapman
Sonja van Baardwijk wrote: http://www.european-lotteries.org/pdf/dayzers_warning.pdf Interesting that the warning was posted in English first and Dutch second - one assumes that the scam is aimed at those ignorant Americans...;-) Nice to see your virtual smile again Sonja! Cheers Russell

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think that without serious citizen oversight, the Ashcroft Justice Dept. would (or will) make a mockery of the Constitution. If people don't make noise about it, we will lose some of our

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as it taking an inordinate amount of time to run an email through a spellchecker, I can't see how an intelligent person is hoodwinked by this ridiculous propaganda. Now your just being a jerk. On the off chance, let me explain: Running a

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:49:58PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Since we are being snippy... rest snipped snip (All this snipping is reminding me of the story about the 3 mythical women who cut the strings of people's lives when their time is up) -- Erik Reuter

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution The family is not in any danger. I differ with this statement. I think that the family is facing a number of

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
As far as me being a jerk, I can't see how an intelligent person is hoodwinked by this ridiculous propaganda. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: link: Atlas of the Universe

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:53:48PM -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote: It shows the position of the Sun relative to the near stars and then zooms out to the whole observable Universe: http://www.anzwers.org/free/universe/ Cool link! Thanks Alberto. I like the fully zoomed out view. Since it

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:34:18PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: Here is one for Outlook Express that is free, and works quite well. I have been using it for a few months and it has actually helped me spell better in the first place. And here is a useful website (but of course for email use

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Robert J. Chassell
What's carefully crafted about The British have learned Suppose I say that `James has learned to drive'. If I then say, `he drove into the ditch' you understand that I was being ironic about the phrase `learned to drive'. This is because learning, in everyday use, is not supposed

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Like it or not, if your policies make some people angry enough to kill themselves to show their displeasure, you need to rethink your policies. I totally disagree. If your policies make evil men angry enough to kill themselves, you are very likely doing the right thing. I

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Seriously, if the admin actually was trying to craft a believable lie that would not blow up in their faces, don't you think they'd do a better job of it, and have all their ducks lined up, i's dotted, t's crossed, etc.? Please tell me why the

Re: Morality is just self interest?

2003-07-24 Thread Dan Minette
I'm going to focus on one answer that relates to a post of Doug for now. - Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Morality is just self interest? On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at

Re: Religion based ethics

2003-07-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Religion based ethics Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see our morals

I have returned from paradise

2003-07-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
And if you are interested in hearing about it, you can check out the story here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/templar569/ I have to figure out how to shrink the pics we took, though. My wife uploaded them at 1.2 meg piece, and I have no idea how to make them smaller at this point. Jim

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Bemmzim
I think statements indicating that the administration is obviously telling the truth and that anyone not agreeing this is either what? stupid? venal? totally naive? totally cynical? Taken advantage of by people more interested in political power than the national interest. Sol in

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/24/2003 8:34:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's carefully crafted about The British have learned The White House wanted a stronger statement but the CIA experts would not appove it. They tried several iterations before this was chosen

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:11 AM 7/23/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:16:20PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Sounds like they would fit Erik's conditions perfectly. Nope. Why not? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the

Re: I have returned from paradise

2003-07-24 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to figure out how to shrink the pics we took, though. My wife uploaded them at 1.2 meg piece, and I have no idea how to make them smaller at this point. There's a whole bunch of waysm depending on the software you have, but probably the easiest, if

Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
This is certainly one of the most amazing stories of the year - the Governor of mighty California is going to face a recall election in late Sept. or the first Tues. of Oct.The best opinion on this I have heard is from a Democratic activist who pointed out how the combination of the potency of

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:35 AM 7/24/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: But by your logic, shouldn't we therefore expect that the administration's next target will be the Saudis? There's plenty of evidence that they have harbored, supported and trained terrorists whose sole goal is American genocide. Why do you think

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:21 AM 7/24/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: It is merely a myth about ostriches. Your claim was that ostriches were mythical, you did not mention any behavior of ostriches. On the scale of being pedantic from 0 to 10, I rate this as a 7.5 .Your post about I already posted that article a week

Re: Science and knowledge

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:52:26PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Why not? Exactly. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:49:58PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Since we are being snippy... rest snipped snip (All this snipping is reminding me of the story about the 3 mythical women who cut the strings of people's lives when their time

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-24 Thread David Hobby
John D. Giorgis wrote: While I am sure that many of you will not support the first half of the proposed ammendment, (although I would point out that this first half does not rule out civil unions - such as the ones currently embraced by the gay community in Vermont.) Nevertheless, I

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Friday browncoat republicans in the house of representatives called the police to arrest and remove democratic representatives from a library in the house of representatives. The future is here

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/24/2003 5:26:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If John Ashcroft were anyone _but_ an evangelical Christian (speaking as a non-evangelical non-Christian) the way he is treated by the Left would be recognized by everyone for what it is - sheer

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: As far as me being a jerk, I can't see how an intelligent person is hoodwinked by this ridiculous propaganda. I know. You're more of a tug than a jerk. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: How we were hoodwinked

2003-07-24 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 10:37:23PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Personally, I like the story about the little girl who takes a basket of goodies to her grandmother's house and there's a wolf involved. What was the name of that? Something with hood, right? Having read little writing in my

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:07 PM 7/24/2003 -0400 Robert J. Chassell wrote: The phrase The British have learned suggests to a listening public that the US President had US intelligence agencies investigate the matter. It does not suggest this to me. Indeed the mere fact that British intelligence is being

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:53 PM 7/24/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: http://msnbc.com/news/940963.asp?0sl=-44cp1=1 Didn't they used to duel on the floors of Congress? Sounds like classic ingomious political chicanery to me. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis -

Re: I have returned from paradise

2003-07-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
Bryon Daly wrote: From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have to figure out how to shrink the pics we took, though. There's a whole bunch of waysm depending on the software you have, Thanks, Byron, I figured it out. If anyone wants to see a few of the pics before I wrangle with actually making

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:44 AM 7/25/2003 + Robert J. Chassell wrote: John, rather admirably, says that the lack of search was because the Administration judged it more important in the latter part of April and May to protect Iraqis from looters and such than to protect Americans in Washington, DC, where he

Re: Iraq's Nuclear Weapons - Clinton's '98 Statement

2003-07-24 Thread David Hobby
Brad DeLong wrote: David said: If wombats were credible WMD, he would have included them too. : ) ...thus giving me the chance to point out that I was responsible for: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blosxom.cgi/2002/Oct/22#wombat Rich VFP A Colder War Yes, and thank

Pregnancy update

2003-07-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Things are going reasonably OK now. This wasn't the case sometime last week. I've been having contractions, and Wednesday of last week, it just got to where I couldn't lie down when I needed to, and was horribly exhausted, and having contractions at a rate that didn't bode entirely well for my

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-24 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:09 PM 7/24/2003 -0400 David Hobby wrote: I'll tell you what. Change the amendment so that any two adults can enter into a civil union, which the federal and state governments must grant all the privileges of marriage, and you have my support. I disagree. Since every child is

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