On Nov 3, 2004, at 7:11 PM, Damon Agretto wrote:
You live in an apartment complex. Your neighbour likes to blast his
stereo. You meet with your other fellow tenants to discuss the matter.
There's a wide range of opinions. Yours is to bust down the door and
break his stereo equipment with a
On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:01 PM, The Fool wrote:
I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions
and ought to be encouraged,
--Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member)
Date? Context?
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as
opposed to someone ludicrously rich, born to privilege, and utterly out
of touch with workaday realities?
Clinton doesn't count? While certainly
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:05:45 -0800, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions
and ought to be encouraged,
--Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member)
Date? Context?
An address to Harvard students:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:13:52 -0500, John D. Giorgis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
5) The Economy - ABC reported today that the economy issue broke for Mr.
Bush, even in Ohio - presuming that you believe those exit polls. Tihs
further highlights the fact that despite what you may hear from Paul
Alberto Monteiro wrote
G. D. Akin wrote:
And in RAH's Future History, the USA becomes a religious dictatorship
by 2012
Is that If This Goes On . . .
No, If This Goes On... is the Fall of the Dictatorship. The Rise
of the Dictatorship is something like The Sound of His Wings,
a
At 08:36 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did I understand the bit about the number of voters
right?
I got the impression that John Kerry got more votes
in this election
than any president in the history of the USA ever
got?
The popular
I have read about a recent study on the number of civilian deaths during
the last year in Iraq. The methodology seems, on paper, capable of
providing at least order of magnitude accuracy (i.e. differentiating to
within at least a factor of 2). It reports at least 100k civilian deaths
in Iraq
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:51:28 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have read about a recent study on the number of civilian deaths during
the last year in Iraq.
This is the Lancet study Dan is refering to:
http://image.thelancet.com/extras/04art10342web.pdf
The methodology seems,
Dan Minette wrote:
I have read about a recent study on the number of civilian deaths during
the last year in Iraq. The methodology seems, on paper, capable of
providing at least order of magnitude accuracy (i.e. differentiating to
within at least a factor of 2). It reports at least 100k civilian
Only, $1,650,000.00 (US)
...this full-scale museum replica of the U.S. Laboratory Module Destiny is
constructed with amazing attention to detail including an observation window
with a flat panel screen with earth views, an astronaut sleeping cabin with
sleeping bag, a treadmill just like the
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 05:08 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
Meanwhile, Kerry spoke consistently of a global test,
I only heard it once from him... but endlessly from people on the Right
who
willfully misunderstood or misrepresented what he said.
While the specific
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(especially to a citizen of a country where voting is compulsory...)
From what I understand, if you don't vote you just have to say Oh, I was
sick or you face a $15AU fine?
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04 Nov 2004
Ancient Roman women had beautiful skin, apparently, they had a foundation
skin cream which until recently, no one knew how to reproduce. Researchers
at the University of Bristol, UK, have recreated the 2000 year old
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Arafat 'brain dead' - Israeli TV
04/11/2004 18:33 - (SA)
Paris - Palestinain leader Yasser Arafat has been declared brain dead,
reports Israeli TV, citing French sources.
Earlier on Thursday, a French medical source told AFP
I suspect Mossad...
This leads to the natural question...what next? Was
Arafat truely in control? Who will take over? Or was
he more a brake on the excesses of some of his PLO
members and people?
Damon.
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Damon Agretto
[EMAIL
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From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:38 AM
Subject: The Magic Ingredient?
Folks,
The secret weapon of the neo-conservative movement is
self-righteousness.
Pick a /behavioral/
On Nov 4, 2004, at 2:41 AM, Martin Lewis wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:05:45 -0800, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social
tensions
and ought to be encouraged,
--Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member)
Date? Context?
An address to Harvard
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Folks,
Lefty writer Andrew Leonard survey[s] the wreckage of the lefty
blogosphere in the wake of the election
(http://www.salon.com/tech/col/leon/2004/11/03/echo_chamber/) and
raises warnings about the risks of spending too much time in the
company
On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:13 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Only, $1,650,000.00 (US)
...this full-scale museum replica of the U.S. Laboratory Module
Destiny is
constructed with amazing attention to detail including an observation
window
with a flat panel screen with earth views, an astronaut sleeping cabin
To good to keep to myself :)
After Kerry Concedes, Bush Cites 'A Duty to Serve All Americans'
IT'S A COOK BOOK!!! Walt screams via email.
Yours,
Murcury, Messenger of good humors
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David Brin wrote:
Actually, it's tang soo do (Korean) karate. Less
heavy contact, more like a dance. Kids, esp girls
like that better.
If she's interested in the dance aspect of martial arts then I would suggest
at least a cursory look at the Brazilian art known as Capoeira.
The following is a
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:05:38 -0800 (PST), Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suspect Mossad...
Why? Failing health at 75 isn't so unusal. The Israelis could have
killed him any time they wanted, so why now? I had gotten the
impression a while back that Arafat no longer had much control
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:01 PM, The Fool wrote:
I even take the position that sexual orgies
eliminate social tensions
and ought to be encouraged,
--Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member)
Date? Context?
It was a joke he made during a Harvard speech
On Nov 3, 2004, at 9:53 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
[me]
How about a lack of pedantry? I don't particularly care for JDG's
condescending tone when addressing us mere mortals, and as I have a
life, I can't say that I've been particularly seeking out every single
pearl of wisdom dropped before my snout
Why? Failing health at 75 isn't so unusal. The
Israelis could have
killed him any time they wanted, so why now? I had
gotten the
impression a while back that Arafat no longer had
much control over
the terrorist factions, or at least that's what
Israel believed.
There doesn't seem to
On Nov 3, 2004, at 10:28 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
I mean that of the people who didn't vote this time, I would bet a
vast
preponderance chose not to because they didn't like the choices and
figured voting for one bad apple wasn't any different from voting for
another. It probably seemed the
David Brin wrote:
Actually, it's tang soo do (Korean) karate. Less heavy contact,
more like a dance. Kids, esp girls like that better.
My son, Ryan (7) and I started tae kwon do this year, at a do jang
that prides itself on combining marshall arts and performing arts.
Their West Coast Action
- Original Message -
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!
It was a joke he made during a Harvard speech that The
Fool is taking out of context.
What?
On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Bryon Daly wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as
opposed to someone ludicrously rich, born to privilege, and utterly
out
of touch with workaday realities?
On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
It was a joke he made during a Harvard speech that The
Fool is taking out of context.
What? Are you saying The Fool takes things out of context? I'm
shocked,
shocked.
CROUPIER: Your winnings, sir.
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The Beeb suggests tin oxide was used because lead
(presumably Lead Oxide) was in short supply in
Britain, but tin wasn't (remember that various groups,
such as the Phoenicans and their off-shoots traded or
mined tin in Britain, an important resorce in bronze
production). Too bad they didn't have
On Nov 4, 2004, at 9:26 AM, The Fool wrote:
One party (we'll call them 'Progressives') conducted an open campaign,
where every thing they did was out in the open, and you could see what
they were doing and where they were doing it. They shouted the record
numbers they were registering from the
After Kerry Concedes, Bush Cites 'A Duty to Serve All Americans'
IT'S A COOK BOOK!!! Walt shouted via Email.
(If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone episode, this will mean
nothing to you.)
Yours,
Murcury, Messenger of good humors
I think the term Marriage is too loaded a word, and
means different things to different people. I would
guess for me and other secularists, it defines a
relationship between 2 life-partners. For someone like
John, I think it would be safe to assume there is a
much more religious connontation to
- Original Message -
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: A few positive things
3) Presidents tend to be concerned about their legacy in their second
terms. The #1 priority is going
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: It seems over...
Or, that there are opinions that differ from yours that are not
homophobic.
How about bigoted, then?
(If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone
episode, this will mean
nothing to you.)
Younger TV viewers or those that never watched the
Twilight Zone (such as I, save an episode here and
there) will likely recognize this from a similar
parody on the Simpsons...
Damon.
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On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Damon Agretto wrote:
I think the term Marriage is too loaded a word, and
means different things to different people.
Fair enough; but of course when you're talking about bans and such, you
get into legal definitions, which trump whether a word is loaded or
not.
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:12 AM, Damon Agretto wrote:
(If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone
episode, this will mean
nothing to you.)
Younger TV viewers or those that never watched the
Twilight Zone (such as I, save an episode here and
there) will likely recognize this from a similar
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Damon Agretto wrote:
Personally, I think the government should drop the
term marriage from their side of things, and call
ALL such unions Civil Unions and treat them the same.
Fair enough; that or forbid divorce as
On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Dave Land wrote:
Fair enough; that or forbid divorce as well as gay marriage, since
it's divorce (50% rate!) that's the *real* threat to marriage. ;)
Last night's West Wing had a tongue-in-cheek solution: ban marriage,
period. Get the government the heck out of the
On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Dave Land wrote:
Anyone remember who played Serak the Preparer?
The same guy who recited _The Raven_ and played a garbage man in that
same episode.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress The
Last night's West Wing had a tongue-in-cheek
solution: ban marriage,
period. Get the government the heck out of the
marriage business.
I have a libertarian friend who believes just that. NO
government intervention, and treat it like any other
contract (if such an agreement is entered into).
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Or, that there are opinions that differ from yours that are not
homophobic.
How about bigoted, then? IMO banning gay marriage is identical to
banning interracial marriage.
You can find no differences?
No, I can't. Skin color/ethnicity is a biological
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:31:46 -0700, Warren Ockrassa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Bryon Daly wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as
opposed to someone
The same guy who recited _The Raven_ and played a
garbage man in that
same episode.
I thought that was James Earl Jones!
Damon.
=
Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
Hi,
Never saw the Simpsons episode referenced here. I bet I'd enjoy it and
laugh for more then a day.
Was this episode a Treehouse of Terror Halloween special?
I did catch the excellent DUCK AMOK reference, a few days ago, from the
person describing their postage hijinks.
Damon said:
I have a libertarian friend who believes just that. NO
government intervention, and treat it like any other
contract (if such an agreement is entered into). I
asked his wife if he was always this romantic...
Romance comes from government intervention?!
Rich
GCU Wilful
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 4, 2004, at 9:26 AM, The Fool wrote:
One party (we'll call them 'Progressives') conducted an open
campaign,
where every thing they did was out in the open, and you could see
what
they were doing and where they were doing it. They shouted the
Original message
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It seems over...
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In which case the church in question is free to not perform
the wedding. They are not, however, free to tell other
Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa
At least we didn't have any claims that elderly voters were
confused
by clearly-labeled ballots. ;)
I was behind a family voting together on Tuesday. A father, a
mother and 2 daughters. The daughters didn't look old enough to
vote to me but I guess they were.
On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Damon Agretto wrote:
The same guy who recited _The Raven_ and played a
garbage man in that
same episode.
I thought that was James Earl Jones!
Indeed, it was. He also was the Narrator and voiced the garbage man.
This was the fabulous Treehouse of Terror episode, one
Gary Nunn wrote:
Only, $1,650,000.00 (US)
...this full-scale museum replica of the U.S. Laboratory Module Destiny is
constructed with amazing attention to detail including an observation window
with a flat panel screen with earth views, an astronaut sleeping cabin with
sleeping bag, a
On Nov 4, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Gary Nunn wrote:
Only, $1,650,000.00 (US)
That's a much better use of money than the $10,000,000 bra:
Completely concur, but I think the bra looks better on Tyra Banks than
the module would.
Dave
___
That's a much better use of money than the $10,000,000 bra:
Does it come with the model already in it?
Damon :P
Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html
Now
Damon Agretto wrote:
Personally, I think the government should drop the
term marriage from their side of things, and call
ALL such unions Civil Unions and treat them the same.
I think g*vernments should remove marriage from the law
and include something like a Civil Society, which would
allow
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Absolutely they do, but there are boundaries of acceptable behavior
that can and must be applied to churches if they wish to remain active
members in civil societies. Religious groups do *not* have a right to
bomb abortion clinics or crash-land aircraft into buildings,
kerri miller wrote:
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(especially to a citizen of a country where voting is compulsory...)
From what I understand, if you don't vote you just have to say Oh, I was
sick or you face a $15AU fine?
Basically, yes. It's AUD20 (USD15), and you can
John Horn wrote:
When he finished voting, the father went over and stood
behind the daughters and showed them how to vote. The wife happened
to be at the machine next to me and she stood there for several
minutes doing nothing until the husband came over to her. Again, he
stood behind her
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It seems basically over at this
point - but apparently the Kerry
campaign is going to hang on.
Of all the possible outcomes,
this was not one that crossed my mind.
If there was anything to be learned
from election 2000, it's that you must
not concede until all the
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
kerri miller wrote:
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(especially to a citizen of a country where voting is compulsory...)
From what I understand, if you don't vote you just have to say Oh, I
was
sick or you face a
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have read about a recent study on the number of
civilian deaths during
the last year in Iraq. The methodology seems, on
paper, capable of
providing at least order of magnitude accuracy (i.e.
differentiating to
within at least a factor of 2). It
Dave Land wrote:
On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
It was a joke he made during a Harvard speech that The
Fool is taking out of context.
What? Are you saying The Fool takes things out of context? I'm
shocked,
shocked.
CROUPIER: Your winnings, sir.
Look, there
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After Kerry Concedes, Bush Cites 'A Duty to Serve All Americans'
IT'S A COOK BOOK!!! Walt shouted via Email.
(If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone episode, this will mean
nothing to you.)
Yours,
Murcury, Messenger of good humors
Dave Land wrote:
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:12 AM, Damon Agretto wrote:
(If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone
episode, this will mean
nothing to you.)
Younger TV viewers or those that never watched the
Twilight Zone (such as I, save an episode here and
there) will
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Nov 3, 2004, at 10:28 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
At least we didn't have any claims that elderly voters were confused
by clearly-labeled ballots. ;)
No, we just had issues with certain voting machines when the voter was
voting straight ticket.
Ouch.
It
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Bryon Daly wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as
opposed to someone ludicrously rich, born to privilege, and utterly
JOHN GIORGIS wrote:
Original message
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It seems over...
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In which case the church in question is free to not perform
the wedding. They are not,
On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
JOHN GIORGIS wrote:
Original message
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It seems over...
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In which case the church in question is free to not
Dave Land wrote:
The secret weapon of the neo-conservative movement is self-righteousness.
Nah, it's even simpler than that. Just point out that you're against the two all-time
great objects of Christian fear and
loathing, the twin bogiemen of Sodomites and Saracens, and you're
guaranteed to
Horn, John wrote:
Again, he stood behind her (and me!) telling her what to do. She didn't seem
to understand that she had to put the punch-card ballot *in* the
little slot and how to follow the ballot to know where to punch.
Wow, that's a jailable offence here. If you don't know how to vote,
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 06:50:07PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
Look, there *is* no gambling here. Get over it. :)
Julia
but I'm betting someone continues in this vein this month
Don't play that again. Sample size insufficient -- I say no way. Germane
to astrology and Gregorian
On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Jim Sharkey wrote:
The secret weapon of the neo-conservative movement is
self-righteousness.
Nah, it's even simpler than that. Just point out that you're against
the two all-time great objects of Christian fear and loathing, the
twin bogiemen of Sodomites and
On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Russell Chapman wrote:
Horn, John wrote:
Again, he stood behind her (and me!) telling her what to do. She
didn't seem
to understand that she had to put the punch-card ballot *in* the
little slot and how to follow the ballot to know where to punch.
Wow, that's a
At 12:01 AM 11/5/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote:
John Horn wrote:
When he finished voting, the father went over and stood
behind the daughters and showed them how to vote. The wife happened
to be at the machine next to me and she stood there for several
minutes doing nothing until the
At 06:03 PM 11/4/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
The problem is that, despite all the evangelical language that
accompanies the bombast, this line of thinking dethrones God. It
denies the gift of the cross and says that we, not Christ, are the
savior.
So, I guess that we should just close all the
At 12:51 PM 11/4/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
I think that the best we can hope for now, is that Iraq will end up a wash.
The downside is tremendous. My fear is that Bush et. al. will remain in
denial about this and send good money after bad, so to speak.
Out of curiosity, is there a
At 10:56 AM 11/4/2004 -0800 Damon Agretto wrote:
Personally, I think the government should drop the
term marriage from their side of things, and call
ALL such unions Civil Unions and treat them the same.
Of course, this would make opponents of gay marriage no happier, so it
still seems like a
On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:02 PM, JDG wrote:
At 06:03 PM 11/4/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
The problem is that, despite all the evangelical language that
accompanies the bombast, this line of thinking dethrones God. It
denies the gift of the cross and says that we, not Christ, are the
savior.
So, I guess
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Dave Land wrote:
On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
JOHN GIORGIS wrote:
Original message
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It seems over...
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In which case
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 06:50:07PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
Look, there *is* no gambling here. Get over it. :)
Julia
but I'm betting someone continues in this vein this month
Don't play that again. Sample size insufficient -- I say no way. Germane
to
I couldn't resist quoting Buffy...but the question is
a serious one. The we in this case being the
Democratic Party. I had hoped that this outcome might
suggest a striking re-evaluation of the Party's
direction. The early signs are not encouraging. So,
let me make a few brief points:
1. If
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe. I'm not sure how much of low turnout can
be attributable to
happiness as opposed to apathy or outright
disenfranchisement. Wasn't
it NV that had a none of the above box on their
Prez ballot? That got
2,000+ votes, I think.
Out of
- Original Message -
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: A few positive things
At 12:51 PM 11/4/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
I think that the best we can hope for now, is that Iraq will end up
Whatever ones feelings on the outcome, it is always humbling and instructive to watch
Democracy in action.
The American people spoke, and it seems clear where their feelings lay. All the spin,
the hoopla, the bull that went on,
the viscious ads, the blatent lies (both sides included), are
Folks,
Go ahead and pay $1.65M for your stinking /simulated/ space station
module...
OR
Bid on an /actual/ British nucular bomber for a shade over £10,000.
http://tinyurl.com/6l78x
Complete with engines
NO ARMAMENTS. WILL NOT FLY
Dave
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On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:01 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe. I'm not sure how much of low turnout can
be attributable to
happiness as opposed to apathy or outright
disenfranchisement. Wasn't
it NV that had a none of the above box on their
Prez ballot?
On Nov 4, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I think g*vernments should remove marriage from the law
and include something like a Civil Society, which would
allow _any_ number of consenting adults to form a society,
with rights of adoption and inheritance, with clear rules to
dispose of
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