Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?

2003-07-06 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: --- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I voluntere on a regular basis for psitions which might place me in danger and might have a significant benifit for others. (Floor safty warden at work for instance

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want a serious discussion of religion, we should probably all agree to adopt an agnostic viewpoint for the duration. But what kind of discussion is it where one adopts a

RE: Literalism (was RE: God, Religion, and Sports)

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jan Coffey Sent: Friday, There was plenty to respond to, but I'll pick this one... the guy preaching to you on sunday has no right to tell you

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want a serious discussion of religion, we should probably all agree to adopt an agnostic viewpoint for the duration. But what kind

Re: Religion Discussion, was God, Religion and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iaamoac wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want a serious discussion of religion, we should probably all agree to adopt an agnostic viewpoint for the duration. But what kind of discussion is

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan quoted: Well If god hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. People are made of meat too. ObSF: the cannibals and vegetarian guerrillas in _Delicatessen_. Eat me. ..sorry, I just had to say it, I just

Re: King of the Hill Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: Well If god hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. It works better if you pretend like your name is hank and you sell propane and propane accessories. :) OK, just

Re: Should This Be Allowed to Continue?

2003-07-04 Thread Jan Coffey
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm personally aghast by this development: Scientists in the United States have created hybrid human “she-males,” mixing male and female cells in the same embryo http://www.msnbc.com/news/934076.asp?0cv=CB10 In my mind, this is a gross

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-04 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect JDG is taunting you, Fool. Remember, he liked to provoke Jeroen and then complain to the listowners when Jeroen reacted. Recently, JDG posted his silly whining about how he thinks there are a bunch of atheists here who are attacking him. Now

Re: Literalism (was RE: God, Religion, and Sports)

2003-07-04 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of The Fool ... The Bible makes all kinds of verifiably false assertions. So why should any one particular absurdity that he is putting forth merit any more

Re: God, Religion, and Sports

2003-07-04 Thread Jan Coffey
--- iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least we discuss religion here, which beats the heck out of communities that pretend it doesn't exist or those that can't touch on the subject without an immediate flame war. Wait,

Re: Compulsory HS

2003-06-30 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Plus, I still don't know about HS level sports in other countries Very little in State Schools in Australia. The elite private schools in the capital cities compete against each other in a series of sports, such as

Re: Compulsory HS

2003-06-30 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't really buy this, for two main reasons. The first is that Americans have been complaining that their school systems lag the world since Sputnik, yet over that span of time the American dominance of the world in economics generally, and science

Re: SCOUTED: Religiousness associated with less depression

2003-06-28 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Religiousness associated with less depression, says BYU/U. of Miami study There was also a study at Madeson which showed that budists (an others who meditated a lot) were more happy. I can't find it, but maybe someone else can. =

Re: Custer and Little Big Horn

2003-06-27 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ? Not my my circles it isn't out of fasion at all. In fact the latest tribal newspaper has several stories on wariors who are serving in the middle east. What would the good reason be? Umm, an indian fighter is one who fights indians! Ha! Is an

Re: Custer and Little Big Horn

2003-06-26 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what Jan was referring to in his post about Custer was not the man's personal bravery nor his skills (or lack thereof) of a tactician. Well I was refering to both actualy. The last stand and the BS marketing that led up to it. Custer was not all his

Re: Aw drat! I found a B but Julia's post anyway.

2003-06-26 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One hoon name contains a B' Auph-hu-Phwuhbhu, author of The Art of Exile Page 230 of the hardback Brightness Reef. Well, I still wanted to do the following, so let's make this er the exception by choice. --- Though the Hoon can easily pronounce

Re: Constantine's cross may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or that it was a medieval German that invented the printing press. The chinese invented the printing press. That german just copied it. = _ Jan William Coffey

Re: Constantine's cross may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: You can't beleive everything you read, but you also can't allways trust the experts when it comes to a topic like history. Especialy when so many of them disagree. I haven't read Cahill, but I have read Guns Germs

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism (L3)

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Starting over, I first need to make a correction. I used the word Liturgy when I meant Parish. My bad. The responses have been great, and I could spend hours replying back, but I only want to say these few things. In its most base form, I believe

Re: Bad Communion Bread

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll respond to Jan's message in pieces: Here eat this bread which has a high probablility of having an halusinogen in it and drink these firmented grapes which have alchohaul in it. No, but lets look at your evidence. I looked up ergot and

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists One very interesting

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
Doug Pensinger wrote: ... I am curious. How do you know it wasn't Satan? Or a phenomenon that is beyond our understanding, but in fact has a logical explanation? Why is something you cannot explain automatically attributable to a deity? Thats it. If you can't tell

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism As you can see, Christian values place

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be very curious to see your interpretation of the parable of the good Samaritan, then. :-) You do know that was the answer to who is my neighbor? , right? You help me illustrate my point that it is difficult to be a good Christian, when

Re: Constantine's cross may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive. For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe, they had a massive fleet the likes

Re: Constantine's cross may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damon wrote: Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book. Any suggestions? Doug Not his again. They certainly were in many ways. Why don't

Re: Constantine's cross may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book. Any suggestions? If you know nothing about the middle ages and want a good, concise, readable introduction,

Re: Constantine's cross may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not his again. They certainly were in many ways. Why don't you read a book like How the Irish Saved civilization. Just FYI this book has been criticized by professional historians pretty thoroughly. Its pop history. Not all profesional historians

Re: Constantine's cross may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
Damon, Is your last name D*##0^? You sound like DD word for word. --- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you offer any good talks or documentaries? Reviews even? I don't have time to spend on this topic to read something. I also don't quite understand your viewpoint. Are you saying that

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:07 PM 6/22/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: To which I have to respond that if anyone had witnessed and experienced what I have witnessed and experienced, the only logical

Re: Neanderthal Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... How dare you say Neanderthal! That's Neandertal. Greg Bear spells it Neandertal. Robert J. Sawyer spells it Neanderthal. Tal is German for valley. It used to be spelled Thal, and that's preserved in some place names.

Re: Neanderthal Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/22/2003 8:54:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tal is German for valley. It used to be spelled Thal, and that's preserved in some place names. So either should be fine, but Julia's right, one should say

Re: thermodynamics

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone want to try and crack this one? I was a little cold and had glanced at my house thermostat. It was 18C. I also looked at my indoor/outdoor therm, it was 70F outside. It was just at dusk. Now three hours later it's 22C inside and 65F outside. I

Re: thermodynamics

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/22/2003 9:17:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I attribute it to the fact that I often close the windows at night. Then the heat stored in the walls can move to the air in the house. Try living in a

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you wish to find out whether or not I am telling the truth on this matter, you will have to find out on your own. I am curious. How do you know it wasn't Satan? A very good question. (Matthew 7:15-20) My point was, how can

Re: Neanderthal Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: --- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... How dare you say Neanderthal! That's Neandertal. Greg Bear spells it Neandertal. Robert J. Sawyer spells it Neanderthal. Tal

Re: Scatalogical Re: Neanderthal Question Regarding Religion andAtheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I hear that a similarly wide variety of colors is found in poop, although I have been fortunate so far not to have personally witnessed some of the more extreme shades possible, the occurrence of which generally

Re: Neanderthal Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think all this was covered in Sawyer's Hominid. The main point of my starting the thread, however, lies in the controversy that no one knows how many Neanderthals were, in fact, atheists. Serious If the

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what are your thoughts on Christians who believe that manger scenes and the ten commandments have no place in or on government-owned facilities? My thoughts? It is VERY insulting to the Bahai, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindu, Jews, and

Re: Neanderthal Question ...

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: At 14:47 2003-06-23 -0500, Ronn! wrote: Okay, but it removes the opportunity for pun-loving *American*¹ students to express just how sick the topic makes them . . . _ ¹Who by definition know nothing of

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reggie Bautista wrote: Nick wrote: You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~~Now, if you wished to argue that the covenent communities came before scripture, then you would have my...and most biblical scholars' support. But, that is a seperate question from which came first: the Catholic church or the bible.~~ Thanks for

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-22 Thread Jan Coffey
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can somebody help me out here? Yet, it seems that people who believe in God, at least on Brin-L, seem perfectly capable of discussing non-belief in God in a calm and civilized manner. In contrast, the people who do not believe in God, or at

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread Jan Coffey
ok time out. --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Estrus is hidden in human females. In fact when they are menstruating they are __not Fertile__. Try telling that to thousands of pregnant 14 year olds who say, but I can't be pregnant...I was on my period. --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread Jan Coffey
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: evolutionary deterioration. Foget that all the papers sited reference only this one guy who's paper there is no sign of, and who has not performed a single experiement in support of his hypothisis (which is what it is). Zhang actualy references ED which

Re: Br!n: RE: New Br!n Novel?

2003-06-20 Thread Jan Coffey
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/19/2003 2:57:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Ditto dittoed the ditto's ditto. Did he do it diligently or dastardly? how delightfully degenerate did you deliberatly delete the l? =

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-20 Thread Jan Coffey
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s881312.htm Colour vision means pheromones unnecessary Tuesday, 17 June 2003 Female Old World primates – like orangutans – use sexual displays to indicate they are ready for mating Forget about

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-20 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:23 PM 6/20/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s881312.htm Colour vision means pheromones unnecessary Tuesday, 17 June 2003 Female Old World

Re: Segways aren't for everyone

2003-06-19 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:31 PM 6/18/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Bush gets bucked... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/030612/170/4dnhg.html Umm, I thought it was supposed to have a gyroscopic stabilization system so you couldn't

RE: Tech-ish help

2003-06-19 Thread Jan Coffey
Go to file select save as select .html I just did it on pre-formated text and pics, worked fine. --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copy and paste it into an HTML editor, such as the one in Mozilla (which is free, if you don't have it). That will probably do better, but you still may

Re: wierd spam...

2003-06-19 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got this (presumably) spam message today. I've never seen anything quite like it: --- Subject: Dimensional Warp Generator Needed Greetings, We need a vendor who can offer immediate

RE: Br!n: RE: New Br!n Novel?

2003-06-19 Thread Jan Coffey
I use to date my gilrfriend's dito on the sly, but I had to stop. She was too needy. ___ I keep sending ditos down to the studio to try out for the new reality show. A curiur keeps bringing me back their frozen heads. Every time it's the same thing. Right before lights out I see a large feild

Re: Br!n: RE: New Br!n Novel?

2003-06-18 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---so how about: A ditto embedded with marshmallow bits that likes to kill other dittos by using a pillow: Kil'n me solftly with his charms. Or one who sings badly and serenades other dittos: Kil'n me

Re: Music (Was: New toy (was :just a dumb guy))

2003-06-18 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came across this in my lunchtime scanning; it's an attempt to link the type of music one prefers to one's personality: http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/66/79748.htm?printing=true Reflective, complex - classical, jazz, blues, and folk

RE: Brin: Stuff for the Gurps Uplift Site.

2003-06-17 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Damon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 08:42 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Brin: Stuff for the Gurps Uplift Site. I too would be interested in this... Too bad

Re: Native American Rights

2003-06-17 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] It means that I produce works of art, music and poetry, and that I can present these works as represintative of the tribe. What else would it mean? I'm sorry, did I offend you by asking this? None was intended

Re: Br!n: Stuff for the Gurps Uplift Site.

2003-06-17 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damon wrote: http://www.sjgames.com/miniatures/uplift/index.html Aargh! Gamer unfriendly packaging! Huh? They're sold in a box. How is that unfriendly? I suppose if it was a box that punched you in the nose with a concealed

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Jan Coffey
, and I am put-off by his anti-americanism. --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jan Coffey ... I believe Jeroen to be sincere, and I would like to add my own caution. Sincerity is not the only

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:08 PM 6/15/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: You still don't get that form jeroen (and other's) perspecitve what was done to him did appear to be abusive. Did you read the copies of his messages I sent you off-list? Do I need to send you

Re: Native American Rights RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-15 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped all but phrases of interest Since no-one else has asked...what do these phrases/words mean? (Maru of course I know) Lenape, spelling I am unsure of, but then there are so many ways to properly

Re: Native American Rights RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-14 Thread Jan Coffey
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:49 AM 6/13/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: Yeah, but there have been Jews in that area since before recorded history and they made up a very large proportion of the population before the Israeli War of Independence. You know, I do

A friendly request JVB

2003-06-14 Thread Jan Coffey
Before you go and trash this message, I would request that you read it to the end. Jeroen van Baardwijk has something he would like to say to this list. I don't know what the rules are about this sort of thing, but I think that you will agree that if there are such rules this should be the

Re: [L3] Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
Trying out some automatic spell checking so if I frell(sp?) any of the previous post, my apologies. --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Essentially we seem to agree on the facts and how things have played out. What we disagree on was the appropriateness of the actions that were

scouted: free speach intimidated to death

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
While I may not personaly have any use for such substances, and I am split on the efectiveness of the laws in question, I still take issue with such laws as the RAVE act that can be used to intimidate parties from practicing free speech. Even as what most refer to as a concervative I find this

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, wasRe:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: So Rich, don't blame a lack of documentation for poorly factored code. Instead of If these idiots would just have documented..., think If these idiots would just have written Unit Tests or Contracts, written clear code

Re: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Baker wrote: People move on. What's the mean time spent in a job in the software industry: two or three years? In the mid-1990s in graphics, it was 18 months. At least, that's what someone at my husband's company determined when they

Re: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan said: Then of course the same people were the ones making convincing sells to the VCs and getting funding for solving NP complete problems with a Turing machine in 6 months. What kind of .com business plan is that?! It has *obvious*

RE: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

2003-06-13 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:43 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide? Nick Arnett wrote: Does

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:05 PM 6/11/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:04:49AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 12:25 AM 6/10/03 -0400, Erik Reuter asked: Does God exist? Yes. (The proof is left as an exercise for the reader.)

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using anecdotal evidence is often appropriate when making decisions, especially in the formation of hypothesis

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 09:56:38AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Of course you can use anecdotal evidence in formulating a theory. The point is, you CANNOT use the SAME data to validate the theory. You are wrong Erik. You can not formulat

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:33:41AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Of course Theory is used by _layman_ in place of Hypothesis. But we are not _laymen_ we are scientificaly trained and should use the words appropriatly. Please produce the cite

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using anecdotal evidence is often appropriate when making decisions, especially in the formation of hypothesis. I

Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hypothesis: A tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences. Theory: A scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena. I would only add

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:25:17PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik wrote: the·o·ry( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr) n. pl. the·o·ries [snip] 6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture. Great. Thanks to this discussion, I now have I Have A Theory from the

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:51 PM 6/12/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hypothesis: A tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences. Theory: A scientifically

Re: media stratagy meetings: was RE: Mobile labs identified asUK-made weather balloon systems

2003-06-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I snipped massively, particularly where we said basically the same thing. --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the radio address text... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002

Re: media stratagy meetings: was RE: Mobile labs identified asUK-made weather balloon systems

2003-06-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top-post short version: different definitions, different interpretations - misunderstandings. OK, we're cool, even if we're not on the same page. :) I am not going to reiterate myself by responding to the rest of the post becouse you already

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 02:08:04PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Are you really willing to accept anything that is not subject to scientific testing as no more real than God? You are really cheating. You should at least answer that one question I

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 05:20:00PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Do you consider yourself a Positivist? If I say no, will you think negatively of me? :-) Ummm, wait while I look it up (I've heard it before but I don't really know what it means, I'm

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 02:29 am, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 05:20:00PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Do you consider yourself a Positivist? If I say no, will you think negatively of me? :-) Ummm, wait while I

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-11 Thread Jan Coffey
writen by??? Anyway, this is the mistake of using the evidence that suggested a theory to support the theory. To demonstrate this type of error, Richard Feynmann once walked into the lecture hall and said something like: The most amazing thing happened to me on the way to

Re: Mobile labs identified as UK-made weather balloon systems

2003-06-10 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'We are being very careful now not to jump to any conclusions about these vehicles' why can't we just take them at their word. They keep saying, we don't yet know. Well, let's stop the flaming until they do know. No-one ever said that we would end the

RE: Mobile labs identified as UK-made weather balloon systems

2003-06-10 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weather Balloons... and that's what they said at Roswell, too! Nerd From Hell Weather baloon is government code for we don't know. Who was deep throght? Deep throught was a weather balloon. Was their a second shooter? No, it was a weather balloon.

media stratagy meetings: was RE: Mobile labs identified asUK-made weather balloon systems

2003-06-10 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The article is certainly slanted against the Admin's position, but many of the points/questions are valid. But their is no way of proving that Bush was wrong at the time he made those statements (taken out of context as they are). The question

Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-10 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:37:12PM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: You do not chose to be Jewish if your mother is. You are Jewish. But you are not automatically practicing the religion because of your mother. Semantics. Not so hard to comprehend,

Re: Halal and Kosher slaughter 'must end'

2003-06-10 Thread Jan Coffey
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Baker wrote: Andy said: It's a sudden and quick haemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain, said spokesman Dr Majid Katme. If

Re: Halal and Kosher slaughter 'must end'

2003-06-10 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: On 10 Jun 2003 at 15:04, William T Goodall wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2977086.stm The method of animal slaughter used by Jews and Muslims should be banned immediately, according to an

Re: Scouted: Fake Meat From a Vat

2003-06-10 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this will solve the kosher/halal killing and slaughterhouses problem http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns3208 (It's an article from December) Tissue engineers are growing fake meat from cell cultures. However, you only

Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:49 PM 6/8/03 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 05:17 pm, Reggie Bautista wrote: The Fool and William Goodall react as if that person was posting from a religious extremest perspective, instead of reading

Re: [Janelle]Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Plonkworthy? On Monday, June 9, 2003, at 02:29 am, Ronn!Blankenship

Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:06 AM 6/9/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: Yes, it is. No, it isn't. Yes, it is! No, it isn't! Yes, it is!! No, it isn't!! YES, IT IS!!! NO, IT ISN'T!!! Times up. What do you mean time is up? I cam in here for a decent contradiction

RE: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:57 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 01:09 am, [EMAIL

RE: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now is the energy needed to supply all of these small enough for the system to be sustainable? I doubt it. I agree. The math shows that they could not get enough bodies together to generate the energy required, even if they were quite good at

RE: Picking apart the Matrix - spoilers

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail.com wrote: From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 points 1) With the energy needed to extract these, is it still workable? Is the energy needed for mining small enough for the system to be sustainable? 2) The human body will generate energy from

Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 04:29:24PM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: Say what? I thought you were an American Standard urinal expert. Didn't you ever read one? I mean, what else do you have to do while you're going? Among a group of friends you might

religion: was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
(Even religion, if anyone wishes.) As a non-practicing Ba'hai extremist I don't really care if we discuss religion or not discuss religion. Can if I could only remember if I am a non-practicing (Ba'hai extremist) or a (non-practicing Ba'hai) extremist =

Toilets was: Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-09 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Japanese do low-flow toilets a lot better, because they've been doing them for longer and have had more time to experiment with what works and what doesn't. All the ones in our house are made by Toto. (Insert WoO crack here.) Toto makes the

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