Re: Hallowe'en

2002-10-27 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 01:52 AM 10/27/02, William Taylor wrote: In a message dated 10/26/2002 10:04:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought ouzo was the closest thing to alcoholic mulch. I thought it was licorice-flavored lighter fluid . . . that you ignited before drinking . . .

bizzare

2002-10-27 Thread The Fool
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=117art_id=qw1035462780889B256set _id=1 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:18 26-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: What I would like would be an automated[1] system with web-based interface where the dinger indicates who they want to ding, with a field for explanation for the ding, and for anonymous dinging to be possible, but penalized; the dingee would be

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:36 26-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: Excuse me? Giorgis has, among other things, repeatedly refused to answer questions, has repeatedly refused to back his claims, and has repeatedly turned to personal attacks to try and silence people who disagree with him. In my book, such

Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:55 26-10-2002 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: On the other hand, if the UN states that unless SH complies with all prior resolutions, he will be made to comply by force, cries of American imperialists will have much less credibility; I think the chance of widespread street uprisings will be

Re: The UN

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 00:07 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Do you have a better suggestion? Yea, accept the reality of what the UN is, instead of pretending it is what it isn't. It is a forum for the countries of the world to talk, and occassionally express their collective will. The big 5 winning powers

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-27 Thread Ray Ludenia
J. van Baardwijk wrote: No one seems to care but you. If that is true, then I might just as well restore the previous content of the Main Page of Brin-L.com, as it appearently is quite accurate -- you know, the version that says that things like flame wars and personal attacks are

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread The Fool
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:39:17PM -0500, The Fool wrote: To achieve this, the cable industry, which sells Internet access to most Americans, is pursuing multiple strategies to closely monitor and tightly control subscribers and their use of the net.

Re: The UN

2002-10-27 Thread Ray Ludenia
J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 00:07 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Further, given Iraq's history of playing cat and mouse, isn't it reasonable to have strict rules that will ensure that an inspection can be thorough? I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that the

Re: The UN

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 00:07 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Now *that* is reprehensible -- the idea that the Dutch would deliberately let the Bosnians in Srebrenica be deported (the women and children) or killed (the men). Yes, that is represensible. But, le But... what? Unfinished sentence. Why did

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 00:20 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Our aim is to find a set of rules, or heuristics, that prevent abuse -- not necessarily the possibility of abuse, but certainly from a practical standpoint. That makes sense. I support the idea of dings because it allows the community to slow

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen wrote: At 00:20 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: That makes sense. I support the idea of dings because it allows the community to slow down mail bombs, quiet flame wars, etc. without throwing anyone off. Dinging will not stop it, it will only delay it. The only difference will

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:20 27-10-2002 +1100, Ray Ludenia wrote: No one seems to care but you. If that is true, then I might just as well restore the previous content of the Main Page of Brin-L.com, as it appearently is quite accurate -- you know, the version that says that things like flame wars and

Re: Parenting advise from an old man who's done a lot of parenting

2002-10-27 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:33 26-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: I thought this might be a good time to offer general parenting advise for those list members who have small children. Why would this be a good time for it? Maybe it is because of the whining about my attempts to improve this list, or maybe I am

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-27 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeroen whined: At 22:20 27-10-2002 +1100, Ray Ludenia wrote: PS: You can have the last word on this too, if you like. However, you would be far better thought of if you didn't bother replying to this post. Even that is questionable now, given that people seem to believe that Giorgis's

Re: Parenting advise from an old man who's done a lot of parenting

2002-10-27 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 06:54 AM 10/27/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 21:33 26-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: I thought this might be a good time to offer general parenting advise for those list members who have small children. Why would this be a good time for it? Maybe it is because of the whining about my

RE: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Gary Nunn
Doug asked How would they measure use? Time Warner / Road Runner, in the last year, has been replacing the older Motorola cable modems with the new Surfboard. One of the technicians that did some troubleshooting here was telling me that with this particular modem they can throttle the

Online content and copyright

2002-10-27 Thread Gary Nunn
Very interesting website about digital copyright and related issues. This site also covers the recent controversial Paramount crackdown on intellectual rights for the Star Trek franchise. There have been several recent cases where Paramount has come into a science fiction conventions with Federal

RE: test

2002-10-27 Thread Gary Nunn
Nick wrote (I think) It is quite literally a moderating effect. Jeroen replied. EXACTLY! Which is exactly why this is a bad idea -- it goes straight against David Brin's wishes that this list be unmoderated. Not all moderation is created equal. I would be opposed to moderation or

Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff

2002-10-27 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Erik Reuter wrote: Besides, as usual, your digression doesn't really make a good argument, since I DO think the US should push for regime change in Saudi Arabia after Iraq is handled. I guess you would like to see both Iraq and Saudi Arabia ruled by Western Democracies. Do you have any

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread The Fool
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:21:11AM -0600, The Fool wrote: This wouldn't be necessary if the local-phone monopolies would install fibre optics right up to the home like they should have done. While I would also like to see a fiber going to each home

RE: Question for everyone

2002-10-27 Thread Ritu Ko
J. van Baardwijk wrote: No one seems to care but you. If that is true, then I might just as well restore the previous content of the Main Page of Brin-L.com, as it appearently is quite accurate -- you know, the version that says that things like flame wars and personal attacks are

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 08:17:16AM -0600, The Fool wrote: Those are mostly one time costs. The only part of the phone network that isn't fibre is the twisted pair that goes to homes. Contrary to pro-forma corporate income statements, one time costs are still costs. Someone has to pay for

Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff I think Israel is a much more likely target, as it is closer; a hit on Israel would also be extremely inflammatory - do you

Re: Question for everyone

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
J. van Baardwijk wrote: Excuse me? *I* am trying to improve this list by trying to get a major disturbing factor (Giorgis) to clean up his act, and then you call *me* irresponsible? I think that irresponsible better describes those who think there is nothing wrong with Giorgis wreaking havoc

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: Re: corporations At 17:20 26-10-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: Bandwidth is obviously a limited (scarce) resoure, and there is no logical

Re: Parenting advise from an old man who's done a lot of parenting

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 06:54 AM 10/27/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 21:33 26-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: I thought this might be a good time to offer general parenting advise for those list members who have small children. Why would this be a good time for it? Maybe it is because

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: RE: test -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... Sounds like an

The last word (was Re: Question for everyone)

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
William Taylor wrote: PS: You can have the last word on this too ZZZ That would be the last word, if it was a word. According to Mr. Webster, it is! :) ZZZ or zzz (used to represent a person snoring) If you don't like that one, there's Z-zero particle: the electrically neutral type

Re: The UN

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: Re: The UN At 00:07 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Do you have a better suggestion? Yea, accept the reality of what the UN is, instead of

Fw: Ghost: Cthulhu vs the Nigerian scammers

2002-10-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
You gotta read this! This is great! First some background: The Culture list had been receiving spam from Nigeria, typical stuff wanting money, promising riches, normal net aggrivations. Apparently Nigerian scams are on peoples minds! This one is one guys Lovecraftian response to the spammers.

Re: The UN

2002-10-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: Re: The UN I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is that the US wants military action to be the first option, not the last option.

Re: The last word (was Re: Question for everyone)

2002-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: William Taylor wrote: PS: You can have the last word on this too ZZZ That would be the last word, if it was a word. According to Mr. Webster, it is! :) ZZZ or zzz (used to represent a person snoring) If you don't like that one, there's Z-zero particle:

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: RE: test -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:21:11AM -0600, The Fool wrote: This wouldn't be necessary if the local-phone monopolies would install fibre optics right up to the home like they should have done. While I would also like to see a

Fwd: CNN Breaking News

2002-10-27 Thread Ronn Blankenship
Looks like the advice given to Ilana is still correct . . . Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:27:02 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- All but one of 118 dead hostages in Moscow theater standoff died from gas poisoning, Russia's chief medical examiner says. (c)2002. Cable News

Re: Parenting advise from an old man who's done a lot of parenting

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Parenting advise from an old man who's done a lot of parenting Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 06:54 AM 10/27/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 21:33

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: test Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
Since the main branches that they could branch off from were not on our side of our street, the phone company had 2 options: 1) dig a trench across the street, or 2) dig a trench through the yard of a neighbor whose property backed onto ours. And the neighbor whose yard was going to have to

Re: cars, air L3er

2002-10-27 Thread freewire
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:40:50 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Please forgive the lateness of my reply. Life gets in the way. ..much snippage throughout... Feel free to check my figures, but it appears that the energy storage is consistant with about 12% efficiency. Which kinda makes sense, because

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: Since the main branches that they could branch off from were not on our side of our street, the phone company had 2 options: 1) dig a trench across the street, or 2) dig a trench through the yard of a neighbor whose property backed onto ours. And the neighbor whose yard

Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff

2002-10-27 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Erik Reuter wrote: I guess you would like to see both Iraq and Saudi Arabia ruled by Western Democracies. I don't care what flavor of democracy, but everyone should have a right and a say in how they are governed. Do you have any evidence that the iraqis and saudis would be better if you

RE: test

2002-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of Dan Minette ... I think that is reasonable. But, I've got a neat, IMHO, variation on that. If person A dings person B, who dings back, person A should be free to ding again. But, then

Re: Call the UNSC's Bluff

2002-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 08:54:33PM -, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Research # 1: count the number of votes _against_ Capitalism in the Brazilian Presidential Election. You will see that about 2/3 of the _voters_ reject this model. Why would the iraqis and saudis think differently? Research

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Reggie Bautista
Erik wrote: The difference is that cable tv sends the same data to everyone, i.e., the backbones only need to carry one copy of the data which is virtually the same for all subscribers. With Internet, everyone is sending and receiving different data. If everyone wanted to watch a different movie

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 04:05:09PM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: Here in KC, TimeWarner Cable now has Movies On-Demand, about 50 or 60 different movies available whenever you want to watch them. In addition, they have Comedy Central On-Demand (8 30-minute episodes of various shows and

Dinging

2002-10-27 Thread Nick Arnett
I've been looking through the source for the MLM the list is running on. It looks to me as though it won't be too difficult to set up everything *except* the actual effects of dinging on messages. Thus, we could try out dinging without any actual effects (except, of course, for the feedback

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 04:05:09PM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: Here in KC, TimeWarner Cable now has Movies On-Demand, about 50 or 60 different movies available whenever you want to watch them. In addition, they have Comedy Central On-Demand (8 30-minute episodes

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: test Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 04:50:44PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I was going to comment on a similar service available from Time Warner in Austin for HBO, called HBO On Demand, where you get to view a bunch of things offered by HBO when you want to see them (no more worrying about VCR setup to

Uplift Urbane Legend #7

2002-10-27 Thread Medievalbk
Terragen Field Agents should refrain from doing imitations of the Frankenstein monster in front of most Galactics. In the very first movie, the monster accually speaks one complete sentence of Gal Five. And it was a very, very rude one. William Taylor --- Genitilia on a

Re: corporations

2002-10-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 04:50:44PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I was going to comment on a similar service available from Time Warner in Austin for HBO, called HBO On Demand, where you get to view a bunch of things offered by HBO when you want to see them (no more

RE: Uplift Urbane Legend #7

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
William Taylor wrote: Genitilia on a robot? That's a Gortian naughty. There are times this list makes my head hurt a whole lot. :) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Re: Uplift Urbane Legend #7

2002-10-27 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/27/2002 4:39:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William Taylor wrote: Genitilia on a robot? That's a Gortian naughty. There are times this list makes my head hurt a whole lot. :) Jim And the thing is, this same joke might not play

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Sloan II
At 11:42 PM 10/26/02, William Taylor wrote: Ten dings = one dong Ronn Blankenship wrote: And 10 dongs = 1 dung? That makes an odd sort of sense, because if we ever need that many dings, it will probably be during a major shit-storm... ;-)

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: test At 11:42 PM 10/26/02, William Taylor wrote: Ten dings = one dong Ronn Blankenship wrote: And 10 dongs = 1 dung? That makes an odd sort

Old verses new photo

2002-10-27 Thread Medievalbk
Being new to the list, I wouldn't know if there was a past history of emails about this, but just who is that person in the 1985 photo on the rear inside cover of Uplift War? That picture seems to be of a doctor of astrophysics who is morose because he is demeaning himself by actually writing

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/27/2002 10:13:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 11:42 PM 10/26/02, William Taylor expended precious bandwidth by expostulating: [Anyone know the programing for changing my AOL automatic CP line?] Ten dings = one dong

Re: FW: Brin-l Digest, Vol 76, Issue 2 Rebels seize Moscow theater

2002-10-27 Thread Halupovich Ilana
Ron wrote I suppose by now you have heard the outcome: 50 Militants, 90 Hostages Dead After Moscow Siege Gas Used to Subdue Chechens; Fate of Americans Unknown Spent Saturday glued to TV screen. Russian channels. Saw some pretty strange things - as syringes (sp). It's 115 dead now. :-( head

Re: cars, air L3er

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: cars, air L3er On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:40:50 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Please forgive the lateness of my reply. Life gets in the way. ..much snippage throughout...

Anonymous dings

2002-10-27 Thread Doug
I don't really like the idea of anonymous dings but if they are allowed the penalty should be at least .5 ding. Otherwise, I'm in favor of the system. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: FW: Brin-l Digest, Vol 76, Issue 2 Rebels seize Moscow theater

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Halupovich Ilana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: Re: FW: Brin-l Digest, Vol 76, Issue 2 Rebels seize Moscow theater Ron wrote I suppose by now you have heard the outcome: 50 Militants, 90 Hostages

It's Lula in Brazil

2002-10-27 Thread Doug
Brazil hasn't had a lefty in power for nearly forty years, according to the article below. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2124330,00.html SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) - Former union boss Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva won Brazil's presidential election runoff by a landslide Sunday,

Re: test

2002-10-27 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/27/2002 10:17:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, we can have a provision that the offending poster be kicked off the list for a week if it gets that high. Afterwards, we can sing ding-dung, the witch is dead The term 'witch' is usually