On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:02:26PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:46:46PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
At some level, yes. But all moralities aren't created equal. Some
are clearly better than others, in that some will almost surely
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm answering Erik's message in pieces, because it was extremely long. I'
I'll start it with a general question, do people here think that there is
rarely a real conflict between one's own interest and the interest of
others?
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Michael Harney wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 10:01:23PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Are there any explosions? I like explosions
I hear T3 has explosions, but little else (haven't seen it myself).
I haven't seen it myself, but I heard it has more
Jon Gabriel wrote:
Behalf Of Robert Seeberger
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,12100,00.html
An RB club in Manhattan was going to have a Get Well tribute
party for him tomorrow. Now it's going to be a memorial. :(
It's a bummer way to go out, especially for a guy who helped thousands of
At 11:45 PM 7/4/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote:
I've been so incredibly busy with work lately so I've been cutting back
on posting Scouted stories to the list. (In fact, from here on in,
they'll probably just wind up on my blog instead.) But I thought this
might be of as much interest to brinellers
Has someoen already posted this?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/06/government.google.ap/index.html
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Jan William Coffey
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Do you
What is the air pressure near the center of a spinning O'Neil type
space habitat when the pressure at the rim is 1 atmosphere?
What is the equation that tells you the pressure?
On Earth, sea level air pressure averages approximately 1 bar
(1013.25 mb or 1 atmosphere) and decreases as the
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No baseball for a while so I thought I might stir
the pot. Just finished Jane Leavy's excellent if
reverential bio. It provides some insight into this
extrarordinarly private man. She dispells notions
that he did not really like baseball, or that he was
aloof
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 07:22:39PM +, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
What is the air pressure near the center of a spinning O'Neil type
space habitat when the pressure at the rim is 1 atmosphere?
What is the equation that tells you the pressure?
Tricky. The only way I know of to get a simple
At 05:26 PM 7/6/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 07:22:39PM +, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
What is the air pressure near the center of a spinning O'Neil type
space habitat when the pressure at the rim is 1 atmosphere?
What is the equation that tells you the pressure?
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No baseball for a while so I thought I might stir
the pot. Just finished Jane Leavy's excellent if
reverential bio. It provides some insight into this
extrarordinarly private man. She dispells notions
that he did not really like baseball, or that
At 05:26 PM 7/6/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 07:22:39PM +, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
What is the air pressure near the center of a spinning O'Neil type
space habitat when the pressure at the rim is 1 atmosphere?
What is the equation that tells you the
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 07:36:53PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
The formula above seems to be assuming that pressure at the axis
is zero, which is unrealistic.
Actually, having a pressure near 1 atmosphere at the center is
unrealistic. There is nothing to provide such a pressure. The
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Sandy Kofax
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No baseball for a while so I thought I might stir
the pot. Just
How about Juan Marichal?
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Tom Beck
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On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 03:21 am, Dan Minette wrote:
You and I have a different understanding of spiralling, then. The
non-European ethnic makeup of GB is 2.8%. They are optimistically
projecting enough immigration to make this about 6% or so in 20 years.
And
its the shining star.
In a message dated 7/5/2003 6:21:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought the stupid tunnel trip and the expedition into
the gas-station
house were awfully cheap.
Maybe the gas station but I thought the tunnel was cool; after all it is horror sci fi
movie and
In a message dated 7/5/2003 6:21:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought the stupid tunnel trip and the expedition into
the gas-station
house were awfully cheap.
Maybe the gas station but I thought the tunnel was cool; after all it is horror sci fi
movie and
In a message dated 7/5/2003 6:21:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought the stupid tunnel trip and the expedition into
the gas-station
house were awfully cheap.
Maybe the gas station but I thought the tunnel was cool; after all it is horror sci fi
movie and
In a message dated 7/5/2003 6:21:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought the stupid tunnel trip and the expedition into
the gas-station
house were awfully cheap.
Maybe the gas station but I thought the tunnel was cool; after all it is horror sci fi
movie and
In a message dated 7/5/2003 6:21:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought the stupid tunnel trip and the expedition into
the gas-station
house were awfully cheap.
Maybe the gas station but I thought the tunnel was cool; after all it is horror sci fi
movie and
In a message dated 7/5/2003 6:31:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, TomFODW writes:
There is an unfortunate tendency among some of Koufax's admirers, especially those
who have known him, to elevate him into some kind of human paragon. Granted that he
appears to be a highly decent, respectful,
Dan Minette wrote:
Let me give just one counter example now. (Only one for space limitation,
not for lack of examples.) Tonight, on the local news, there was an
apartment fire. One man was taken to the hospital for smoke inhalation. He
was at risk because, instead of just yelling fire and
But your description of him is precisely one he would agree to. That is the person
that comes through in the book. He disavows anything more. When he did not pitch on
Yom Kippur this was not a political act and not really a religous one (Kofax is the
prototypical non-observant Jew. And yet his
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 07:36:53PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
The formula above seems to be assuming that pressure at the axis
is zero, which is unrealistic.
Actually, having a pressure near 1 atmosphere at the center is
unrealistic. There is nothing to
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
Let me give just one counter example now. (Only one for space
limitation,
not for lack of examples.) Tonight, on the local news, there was an
apartment fire. One man was taken to the hospital for smoke inhalation.
He
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday, June 27, 2003, at 03:21 am, Dan Minette wrote:
You and I have a different understanding of spiralling, then. The
non-European ethnic makeup of GB is 2.8%. They are optimistically
projecting enough immigration to make this
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 09:28:52PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Sure there is something to provide the pressure! The habitat
won't let air out, and you've pumped it up to the point where there is
1 atm at the rim. Or?
No, that is counteracted by the rotational motion.
But look,
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?
Dan Minette wrote:
Let me give just one counter example now. (Only one for space
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't this just an example of _enlightened_ self interest? Certainly
the guy could have saved his ass and gotten out right away, but as the
result of a little risk taking, he has raised his stature in the community.
Do you really
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't this just an
Robert Seeberger wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Sandy Kofax
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Except that Koufax pitched in Dodger Stadium, off a
20 mound
In a message dated 7/6/2003 8:15:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, TomFODW writes:
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that Koufax himself would not
go along with others' overestimation of him? I certainly agree with you on that,
since that was my unstated point: that it was his
John wrote-
I will concede that I have been somewhat disappointed by the fact
that very few people have spoken up to affirm that the behavior of
several atheists on this List has been out-of-line in terms of
respecting the people of faith who are also members of this
community. :( Still,
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about Bob Gibson?
Doug
A good addition to the list. Not sure exactly where I
would put him. Not as good as Clemens or Seaver, but
up there with the others, definitely.
Since I _know_ someone is going to mention Nolan Ryan
- not a chance.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about Juan Marichal?
Tom Beck
An excellent pitcher, but I don't think you could
really say that he was up there with Seaver or
Clemens. I don't have a copy of the new Historical
Baseball Abstract handy, but I'm fairly confident that
James wouldn't even have
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Sandy Kofax
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about Bob Gibson?
Doug
A good addition to the list. Not sure
Dan Minette wrote:
Our culture glorifies heroism, does it not? It's been ingrained upon us
from the time we are small children that to sacrifice one's own short
term self interest for the good of a larger group - especially helpless
individuals - is a good thing and will generally be rewarded.
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember seeing Ryan in his later Houston years.
IIRC, he had one losing
season (well maybe it was a 15-14 season) when he
led the league in ERA.
He would lose a number of 2-1 and 1-0 ballgames. It
was amazing.
Dan M.
I'm not denying he was a
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?
humans
(most?) fall back upon these instincts when their life is threatened.
Why does
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 09:28:52PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Appeal to Authority: Rama had air at the axis, and Clarke was usually
good on physics.
Rama had a radius of about 8km. They entered near the axis and began
descending in spacesuits. After descending 2km, they found the pressure
was
At 06:41 PM 7/6/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
[snip for brevity]
This is sad because minorities use this information to combat any attempts at
birth restrictions calling them racists. The world is over-populated as it
is, we need to start setting restrictions now before it get's so out of hand
that
At 09:52 PM 7/6/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 09:28:52PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
[snip]
FWIW, a Google search for space habitat atmospheric pressure returns
23,900 hits, some of which actually seem to relate to the question at hand
. . .
--Ronn! :)
I always knew
News Release Issued by the International Secretariat of Amnesty
International
AI Index: AMR 51/096/2003 (Public)
News Service No: 161
4 July 2003
USA: Six named under Military Order: Another backward step for human rights
Yesterday's decision by President Bush to name six detainees under the
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 09:28:52PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Sure there is something to provide the pressure! The habitat
won't let air out, and you've pumped it up to the point where there is
1 atm at the rim. Or?
No, that is counteracted by the rotational
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 09:28:52PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Appeal to Authority: Rama had air at the axis, and Clarke was usually
good on physics.
Rama had a radius of about 8km. They entered near the axis and began
descending in spacesuits. After descending 2km,
Dan Minette wrote:
The point I was making was that people do the right thing because they
believe in right and wrong. It doesn't have to be faith in God, but it is
still faith based. By pointing out that these principals are just lies and
myths, one is undercutting the community.
Faith has
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?
Dan Minette wrote:
The point I was making was that people do the right thing
Dan Minette wrote:
...
Right, and raping and pillaging is an example of exploitive behavior. They
are both part of human nature. Saving lives is good, raping and pillaging
is bad.
Now, I can't prove that; its a matter of faith for me.
What do lies and myths have to do with it?
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:19:38PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
As I said, I'm not calculating the distribution just now. It's not
really a fair tactic to say that I must.
Sure it is fair. The question asked for an equation (or specific
numbers). I gave an equation. You say it is wrong, but
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:12:18AM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Good point. Such beliefs are not usually based in fact, but are
strongly held. So in a sense, they are based on faith. But somehow
it feels like a completely different KIND of faith than the faith
required to believe in a
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:12:18AM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Good point. Such beliefs are not usually based in fact, but are
strongly held. So in a sense, they are based on faith. But somehow
it feels like a completely different KIND of faith than the faith
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:19:38PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
As I said, I'm not calculating the distribution just now. It's not
really a fair tactic to say that I must.
Sure it is fair. The question asked for an equation (or specific
numbers). I gave an equation.
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't this just an example of _enlightened_ self interest? Certainly
the guy could have saved his ass and gotten out right away, but as the
result of a little risk taking, he has
Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Faith has nothing to do with it, IMO. Cooperative behavior is
successful, that's why we are who we are. Saving lives is a
manifestation of cooperative behavior.
Right, and raping and pillaging is an example
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:38:36AM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Yes, but I gave arguments showing that it did not give
reasonable results.
Not at all convincing arguments, with no numbers or equations.
I believe I said about constant. I can deal with .75
atmospheres when I go into
Gautam
Perhaps I have been idealistic in thinking of tolerance as the opposite of
intolerance, perhaps the word tolerance is not comprehensive enough when it
comes to interaction (tolerance may be more passive action of non
posters?- not
firmly sure on this yet). (Looking back Jon did a
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I voluntere on a regular basis for psitions which might place me in
danger and might have a significant benifit for others. (Floor safty warden
at work for instance) I don't think I once considered glorification or
reward.
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?
humans
(most?) fall back upon these
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:12:18AM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Good point. Such beliefs are not usually based in fact, but are
strongly held. So in a sense, they are based on faith. But somehow
it feels like a
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I voluntere on a regular basis for psitions which might place
me in
danger and might have a significant benifit for others. (Floor safty
warden
at work for
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