Re: considering two options for changing hosting
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Spence wrote: 1. Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't figure out why. It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins. It's a simple site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster. The CF portion of the site is fast. You might consider moving the WP stuff to a host like WP Engine. So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting. Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two? Will I see a performance difference? I usually look at cost like this and try to figure out how much tech support this really buys from your host. Maybe 15 minutes a month? Generally speaking, I would expect similar (good or bad) performance from any host at this cost level. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitter http://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360316 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
Mark, I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:46 AM Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Spence wrote: 1. Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't figure out why. It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins. It's a simple site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster. The CF portion of the site is fast. You might consider moving the WP stuff to a host like WP Engine. So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting. Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two? Will I see a performance difference? I usually look at cost like this and try to figure out how much tech support this really buys from your host. Maybe 15 minutes a month? Generally speaking, I would expect similar (good or bad) performance from any host at this cost level. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitter http://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360327 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit. So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July. If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read this http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-shared-hosting On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm running multiple sites with them. There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was starting any new sites they would go there. I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to MSSQL. Larry V. Stephens I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360332 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: considering two options for changing hosting
I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm running multiple sites with them. There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was starting any new sites they would go there. I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to MSSQL. Larry V. Stephens I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
Actually, my VPS is 64bit Windows 2008 r2. I manage it myself, so I know. Hostek has some workaround to be able to run these Access DSNs. It's all automated, so I don't pay it much mind. Also, even without Windows support, there is no reason that you could not use a Java driver to connect to the Access file if you really have to. I do this on my Mac to be able to run a local copy of the site on my development machine. I agree though, I would love to get rid of these last couple of Access sites that I still maintain. They cause me nothing but trouble. I've converted the vast majority of my client sites long ago, but there are still a couple stragglers. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:37 PM Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Mark, there is a very good reason I do not tell people there is a workaround to get MSAccess working on 64bit, and no you definitely should not encourage such things, you are a bad bad man and I am giving you a virtual slap right now.. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Mark A Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote: Russ, You can make access Run on 64bit - it's just not very easy :) I know I know I should NOT be encouraging such things (ha). http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/12/31/Access. on.64bit.ColdFusio n -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit. So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July. If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read this http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo- are-not-suited-to-sh ared-hosting On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm running multiple sites with them. There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was starting any new sites they would go there. I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to MSSQL. Larry V. Stephens I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360336 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: considering two options for changing hosting
Ow! That hurt. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:37 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting Mark, there is a very good reason I do not tell people there is a workaround to get MSAccess working on 64bit, and no you definitely should not encourage such things, you are a bad bad man and I am giving you a virtual slap right now.. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Mark A Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote: Russ, You can make access Run on 64bit - it's just not very easy :) I know I know I should NOT be encouraging such things (ha). http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/12/31/Access.on.64bit.ColdFusio n -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit. So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July. If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read this http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-sh ared-hosting On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm running multiple sites with them. There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was starting any new sites they would go there. I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to MSSQL. Larry V. Stephens I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360337 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
Mark, there is a very good reason I do not tell people there is a workaround to get MSAccess working on 64bit, and no you definitely should not encourage such things, you are a bad bad man and I am giving you a virtual slap right now.. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Mark A Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.com wrote: Russ, You can make access Run on 64bit - it's just not very easy :) I know I know I should NOT be encouraging such things (ha). http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/12/31/Access.on.64bit.ColdFusio n -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit. So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July. If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read this http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-sh ared-hosting On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm running multiple sites with them. There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was starting any new sites they would go there. I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to MSSQL. Larry V. Stephens I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360335 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: considering two options for changing hosting
PS. I agree his host is probably using 32bit. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit. So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July. If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read this http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-sh ared-hosting On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm running multiple sites with them. There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was starting any new sites they would go there. I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to MSSQL. Larry V. Stephens I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360334 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
I use Newtek and they are pretty good. However I've tried to run CF and Wordpress on the same Windows server with Newtek and Wordpress was super slow. They kept telling me it's a known issue and there's nothing they could do about it. I ended up splitting onto two different servers. It's shared hosting so the tech staff is only so supportive of edge case issues like this. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple of issues with them I am able to resolve. The site has been with them for several years. 1. Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't figure out why. It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins. It's a simple site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster. The CF portion of the site is fast. 2. They don't support http compression. This is more a minor annoyance, but it is something I want. So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting. Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two? Will I see a performance difference? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360311 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
I love Hostek. Im a reseller with dozens of sites there. Strong, 24/7 ColdFusion-Knowlegable support! Patrick (A7.net) On Mar 26, 2015, at 10:35 PM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I cannot comment on Hostek, but I would recommend working with your host and getting to the root of the issue before putting in the work on moving things. I just know that can be a hassle and you could wind up in the same place as you are today. So some recommendations. - Get your provider to move the site to another server. Even if it's temporary to see if the server is the issue. Maybe they can just provide another temp account for free. This way the db can stay where it is and just gave to move the files. - Put another simple php app on your site. This would help narrow down php on the server or your php instance (depending on their config) as the issue. - Disable your Wordpress plugins one by one to see if one is at fault. I know you stated these aren't the issue, but worth trying. - Check web logs to see if someone is leeching your Wordpress content and beating up your site. - Use a Wordpress caching plugin, you should do this anyway as Wordpress usually runs like doodie without one anyway. - Run the site through something like pingdom.com/tools, which will break down the load times and from where. Could be a plugin loading content from another site that is the issue and this would show it. - Check the html source, possible that your Wordpress site is compromised and there is some hidden content or something in the page causing a slow down. If you wanted to share the site, I'm sure some people on the list might be able to offer some insight. On Mar 26, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple of issues with them I am able to resolve. The site has been with them for several years. 1. Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't figure out why. It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins. It's a simple site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster. The CF portion of the site is fast. 2. They don't support http compression. This is more a minor annoyance, but it is something I want. So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting. Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two? Will I see a performance difference? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360310 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
Sorry I cannot comment on Hostek, but I would recommend working with your host and getting to the root of the issue before putting in the work on moving things. I just know that can be a hassle and you could wind up in the same place as you are today. So some recommendations. - Get your provider to move the site to another server. Even if it's temporary to see if the server is the issue. Maybe they can just provide another temp account for free. This way the db can stay where it is and just gave to move the files. - Put another simple php app on your site. This would help narrow down php on the server or your php instance (depending on their config) as the issue. - Disable your Wordpress plugins one by one to see if one is at fault. I know you stated these aren't the issue, but worth trying. - Check web logs to see if someone is leeching your Wordpress content and beating up your site. - Use a Wordpress caching plugin, you should do this anyway as Wordpress usually runs like doodie without one anyway. - Run the site through something like pingdom.com/tools, which will break down the load times and from where. Could be a plugin loading content from another site that is the issue and this would show it. - Check the html source, possible that your Wordpress site is compromised and there is some hidden content or something in the page causing a slow down. If you wanted to share the site, I'm sure some people on the list might be able to offer some insight. On Mar 26, 2015 7:05 PM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple of issues with them I am able to resolve. The site has been with them for several years. 1. Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't figure out why. It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins. It's a simple site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster. The CF portion of the site is fast. 2. They don't support http compression. This is more a minor annoyance, but it is something I want. So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting. Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two? Will I see a performance difference? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360309 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: considering two options for changing hosting
the common reasons PHP becomes slow is an overloaded server, if the disk IO is not fast then PHP suffers. This does not affect CF in the same way because cf templates get cached in memory by default. To determine whether one host is going to be any better than another, the question you need to ask them is how many sites they put on each server, what type of disks they use, etc. We do not overload our servers for example, so as to not have so many issues caused by too many sites or other customers with badly written sites. We have also moved all our shared hosting servers to SSD now to get max performance, and it really does make a difference. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple of issues with them I am able to resolve. The site has been with them for several years. 1. Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't figure out why. It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins. It's a simple site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster. The CF portion of the site is fast. 2. They don't support http compression. This is more a minor annoyance, but it is something I want. So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting. Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two? Will I see a performance difference? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360307 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
considering two options for changing hosting
I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple of issues with them I am able to resolve. The site has been with them for several years. 1. Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't figure out why. It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins. It's a simple site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster. The CF portion of the site is fast. 2. They don't support http compression. This is more a minor annoyance, but it is something I want. So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting. Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two? Will I see a performance difference? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360306 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Pete Freitag wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K wrote: Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I think the most important consideration for a new user is whether the software you want to install is available as a package or needs to be installed from source. If everything you want is a package, you can expect the different applications to integrate together quite easily and you can expect security updates to become available automatically. For us that typically means we install Apache, Tomcat7 and PostgreSQL from packages. This automatically installs dependencies such as Java and the modules to connect Apache to Tomcat. Then we add a configuration to forward requests for .cfm files from Apache to Tomcat and deploy a Railo WAR on Tomcat. From then on, the platform is easily updated from the package manager. We never use the official Railo installer: it may be easier for the initial installation, but being able to install security updates for all installed application with just one command is more important in the long run. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358710 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
You can customize the location of the WEB-INF directory for each context (site): https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/railo/AEQGOlv4m0I This becomes particularly important when multiple contexts use a single code base (when clustering, some CMS's, etc). Just FYI. Warm Regards, Jordan Michaels On 05/28/2014 11:13 PM, Jaime Metcher wrote: but if you take the path of least resistance (use mod_cfml and make the Apache document root the same as the Tomcat context root) then at the very least you end up with a dirty big WEB-INF folder in your document root. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358711 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? I did a presentation on Linux for CF users at cf.Objective() this year, my slides are here: http://slides.com/petefreitag/cf-on-linux#/ Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. This has downsides too, for example RHEL/CentOS 6.x will only support Apache 2.2.x if you want Apache 2.4 you have to install it manually or wait for RHEL7. -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358706 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. Yeah what Pete said, I have been on Centos and RedHat for years. It is very stable but the package manager seems to be a few versions behind the latest release of software packages. This is mostly for security and stability reasons, i.e. they err on the side of caution. Which is fine and dandy with me. There are a multitude of hosting CF's out there what will automate a lot of, if not most, admin chores. But the downside of these are of course security concerns. The most infamous of which is Kloxo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kloxo#Security_issues So caveat emptor and do your research first. G! *Gerald Anthony Guido* Nullius in verba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba -- Horace Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pete Freitag p...@foundeo.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? I did a presentation on Linux for CF users at cf.Objective() this year, my slides are here: http://slides.com/petefreitag/cf-on-linux#/ Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. This has downsides too, for example RHEL/CentOS 6.x will only support Apache 2.2.x if you want Apache 2.4 you have to install it manually or wait for RHEL7. -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358708 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
We use CentOS extensively here at CFWT and have many customers using it as well. Very solid. -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:29 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ... I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. Yeah what Pete said, I have been on Centos and RedHat for years. It is very stable but the package manager seems to be a few versions behind the latest release of software packages. This is mostly for security and stability reasons, i.e. they err on the side of caution. Which is fine and dandy with me. There are a multitude of hosting CF's out there what will automate a lot of, if not most, admin chores. But the downside of these are of course security concerns. The most infamous of which is Kloxo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kloxo#Security_issues So caveat emptor and do your research first. G! *Gerald Anthony Guido* Nullius in verba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba -- Horace Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pete Freitag p...@foundeo.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? I did a presentation on Linux for CF users at cf.Objective() this year, my slides are here: http://slides.com/petefreitag/cf-on-linux#/ Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? Yes, if you pick an obscure distribution intended for hardcore linux users (for example Gentoo linux) you will have a hard time as a newbie. Pick one that is commonly used such as Redhat Enterprise Linux / CentOS or Ubuntu. I like RHEL/CentOS because they are pretty stable and they don't do bleeding edge, main bug/security fixes, you have to upgrade to the next major release to upgrade major versions of many packages. This has downsides too, for example RHEL/CentOS 6.x will only support Apache 2.2.x if you want Apache 2.4 you have to install it manually or wait for RHEL7. -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358709 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Coming in a couple of months late here, but I've just been through a move from Windows/Adobe CF/MS SQL Server to Linux/Railo/MySQL and found a couple of things not previously mentioned. Windows - Linux: already covered above, but I'll just add that anything that turns into a file name (like CFC paths) is also included in the case-sensitivity issue. One issue that hit me was case inconsistency in strings stored in the database that were later used to build path names. AdobeCF - Railo: Even aside from the unsupported tags, syntax compatibility although very good is not 100%. See e.g. http://lagod.id.au/blog/?p=378. A lot of this will come down to coding style - your code might be completely fine. The big thing for me though is the way Apache and Tomcat work together. ACF goes to some lengths to disappear the Tomcat layer and make the whole thing look like a web server that miraculously knows what to do with cfm files. Railo is much more of a classic Tomcat app, in that it is definitely sitting behind the web server with its own separate configuration. I can go into more detail about the consequences of that if you like, but if you take the path of least resistance (use mod_cfml and make the Apache document root the same as the Tomcat context root) then at the very least you end up with a dirty big WEB-INF folder in your document root. MSSQL - MySQL: CRUD queries will almost certainly be fine. Heavy-weight slicing and dicing queries probably won't. There are lots of differences in DDL (I have a very home-brewed set of regexes that did the trick for me - happy to share). Stored procedures will need to be completely rewritten. Many functions are different, but most have direct equivalents. One gotcha is that when MySQL is running on Linux, database object names (e.g. table names) are case sensitive. That sounds like a lot, but it is perfectly feasible to have one codebase that will deploy and run happily in both environments (that might not be a requirement for you, but it does illustrate that the differences are not major). My total changeover time was about six weeks, but I was completely reworking my build and provisioning procedures at the same time. Feel free to ping me on or off list if you want any more detail on any of this. Jaime On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you everybody, I'm glad I asked.I have changed my plan now. Cameron and others made a good point. I was trying to do too many thing at once. My plan now is to get a new hosting environment as similar as possible to my current one, so its gives me the most chance that I'll be able to just copy everything over and most of it will work as is. Then work from there on the transition to Linux or the cloud and Railo in two more steps. Thanks to a suggestion from another member of this list off-list I'm not going with the cloud just yet, I'll go with a VPS at Viviotech and work from there. So far every question I've asked they have said yes we can do that all you do is Once again this group helps me out. In this case, I can see if I had gone with my original plan, it MIGHT have worked out ok, but with my luck the odds were that it would give me a lot of grief before it was all said and done.Thank you all I'll let you know how it all turns out. Cheers Mike Kear On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Money Pit websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade servers at Cybercon; check out their hardware configs. I don't see how you can beat those prices. My servers there have been absolutely reliable. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Thanks for the details. Have you considered dping a blog post detailing the process Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 May 2014 07:13, Jaime Metcher jmetc...@gmail.com wrote: Coming in a couple of months late here, but I've just been through a move from Windows/Adobe CF/MS SQL Server to Linux/Railo/MySQL and found a couple of things not previously mentioned. Windows - Linux: already covered above, but I'll just add that anything that turns into a file name (like CFC paths) is also included in the case-sensitivity issue. One issue that hit me was case inconsistency in strings stored in the database that were later used to build path names. AdobeCF - Railo: Even aside from the unsupported tags, syntax compatibility although very good is not 100%. See e.g. http://lagod.id.au/blog/?p=378. A lot of this will come down to coding style - your code might be completely fine. The big thing for me though is the way Apache and Tomcat work together. ACF goes to some lengths to disappear the Tomcat layer and make the whole thing look like a web server that miraculously knows what to do with cfm files. Railo is much more of a classic Tomcat app, in that it is definitely sitting behind the web server with its own separate configuration. I can go into more detail about the consequences of that if you like, but if you take the path of least resistance (use mod_cfml and make the Apache document root the same as the Tomcat context root) then at the very least you end up with a dirty big WEB-INF folder in your document root. MSSQL - MySQL: CRUD queries will almost certainly be fine. Heavy-weight slicing and dicing queries probably won't. There are lots of differences in DDL (I have a very home-brewed set of regexes that did the trick for me - happy to share). Stored procedures will need to be completely rewritten. Many functions are different, but most have direct equivalents. One gotcha is that when MySQL is running on Linux, database object names (e.g. table names) are case sensitive. That sounds like a lot, but it is perfectly feasible to have one codebase that will deploy and run happily in both environments (that might not be a requirement for you, but it does illustrate that the differences are not major). My total changeover time was about six weeks, but I was completely reworking my build and provisioning procedures at the same time. Feel free to ping me on or off list if you want any more detail on any of this. Jaime On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you everybody, I'm glad I asked.I have changed my plan now. Cameron and others made a good point. I was trying to do too many thing at once. My plan now is to get a new hosting environment as similar as possible to my current one, so its gives me the most chance that I'll be able to just copy everything over and most of it will work as is. Then work from there on the transition to Linux or the cloud and Railo in two more steps. Thanks to a suggestion from another member of this list off-list I'm not going with the cloud just yet, I'll go with a VPS at Viviotech and work from there. So far every question I've asked they have said yes we can do that all you do is Once again this group helps me out. In this case, I can see if I had gone with my original plan, it MIGHT have worked out ok, but with my luck the odds were that it would give me a lot of grief before it was all said and done.Thank you all I'll let you know how it all turns out. Cheers Mike Kear On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Money Pit websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade
Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Yes yes yes, I know its been done and done again here.I'd like to know the opinion of some of you who've been down this road a few times - its quite a while since I've moved hosts.. here's my issue: I need to move to a new hosting company from the one I have my small business sites on. These are the mom-pop businesses that make up quite a bit of my business.Typically they're relatively stable sites with a SQLServer2005 database in a shared hosting environment. My hosting wholesaler has pissed me off once too often and I am going to move that part of my business somewhere else. I am thinking of a virtual server in the cloud, moving to Linux and Railo from Windows2003 Server and ColdFusion. [A] OS move: I'm aware from past experience that I'm going to get some links that fail because Linux is case sensitive in filenames and Windows isnt. I've tried to be disciplined in using filenames because of that but I just know there are going to be some links or cflocations that fail on that account. Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? [B] Server environment move: How about moving from ColdFusion (currently v9) to Railo?Is it REALLY compatible? Am i really likely to be able to just copy my files to a Railo environment and have most of them work ok? What's been your experience with that move? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358171 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K wrote: I am thinking of a virtual server in the cloud, moving to Linux and Railo from Windows2003 Server and ColdFusion. We are working on a similar move with a client right now and here's what advise I can give based on the decisions we made. Only change one thing at a time. You're contemplating changing 3 things at a time. If you are going to most hosts, move hosts and stay on Win/CF for now. If the site is important to your business (and it sounds like it is) am a big proponent of only changing one thing at a time. It sounds like your real immediate problem is hosting, I would solve that problem first. If you want to manage the servers yourself, look at Amazon or RackSpace or one of the cloud providers and move to windows VMs running there. Moving to a VM should be relatively straightforward and since this is the most urgent thing, I would do this one first. It should be the quickest, though you may have to deal with things like getting outbound email routed/whitelisted properly. I would bet you are thinking about moving to Linux/Railo since you're about to be responsible for license costs all the sudden that you don't have and are not cheap. Valid reason, but I would wait. Pay the extra money for the short term and move the code over to Linux/Railo later. Moving to Linux/Railo is not a bad move at all, and you can probably do these at the same time. However, you're probably going to want to spend some quality time with the code first. Sometimes it's easy as cake and no modifications are required tot he code at all. Sometimes it's more complex. I'm guessing you'll want to move to something like MySQL or another lower cost DB server as well. Just make sure that you give yourself some time to play with the Linux/Railo setup before you make the final move. Lastly, you might take a quick peek at RightScale for cloud server management / configuration management. It's basically Chef/Puppet scripts you can glue together to automate server deployments across various cloud platforms. The single user version is free last time I checked. http://www.rightscale.com/ -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358174 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Mike, Based on what youve outlined below, and what youre already aware of, I would say the biggest challenge for your migration is going to be in migrating the databases from SQLServer. That one can tricky but there are a number of good tools out there to help you do that. In answer to your other questions: A) 1) The case-sensitivity is the big issue with existing apps. For relative paths in your apps, make sure you take a look at any hard-coded path delimiters as well and change back-slashes to slashes. The other challenges come on the differences in the configuration side of things. 2) Linux distros are a matter of preference, and the debate can rage on forever. That said, CentOS is the winner in my book, hands down, for Coldfusion web application servers and for most dedicated database servers. The distro is active, well maintained, and just about every module or library you would need is actively developed to be compatible with CentOS/RedHat. Ubuntu is a solid server distro as well, but falls a bit short to CentOS, IMHO, as a CF/Railo platform. B) Yes, the move is relatively painless - even more so with Railo 4 than it was with Railo 3. You may have some pain if you have apps that create or manipulate PDFs extensively for reporting or CFChart as you may find some differences in the way they are rendered. The unsupported tags list will help you there as it identifies where there are differences in functionality: https://github.com/getrailo/railo/wiki/CFML-tags-that-are-not-supported You will miss the ability to drop a CF application in to a new webroot and go, but configuring the server.xml file for a new site is relatively painless. You can also install mod_cfml to automate the process: http://www.modcfml.org/ A Control Panel is really helpful for administering multiple clients. VirtualMin is my preference among Linux CPs. HTH, Jon On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Yes yes yes, I know its been done and done again here.I'd like to know the opinion of some of you who've been down this road a few times - its quite a while since I've moved hosts.. here's my issue: I need to move to a new hosting company from the one I have my small business sites on. These are the mom-pop businesses that make up quite a bit of my business.Typically they're relatively stable sites with a SQLServer2005 database in a shared hosting environment. My hosting wholesaler has pissed me off once too often and I am going to move that part of my business somewhere else. I am thinking of a virtual server in the cloud, moving to Linux and Railo from Windows2003 Server and ColdFusion. [A] OS move: I'm aware from past experience that I'm going to get some links that fail because Linux is case sensitive in filenames and Windows isnt. I've tried to be disciplined in using filenames because of that but I just know there are going to be some links or cflocations that fail on that account. Are there any other 'gotchas' moving from windows to linux? Is there any benefit of one flavour of Linux over another? [B] Server environment move: How about moving from ColdFusion (currently v9) to Railo?Is it REALLY compatible? Am i really likely to be able to just copy my files to a Railo environment and have most of them work ok? What's been your experience with that move? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358175 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
I will also mention, that running on Windows doe snot need to incur any license costs Most VPS hosts will give you Windows Server Web Edition for free, and some can give ANY edition for FREE, because it doesn't cost them anything on your SPLA licensing model. You can also run Railo and CF together on the same server quite happily. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Mike K wrote: I am thinking of a virtual server in the cloud, moving to Linux and Railo from Windows2003 Server and ColdFusion. We are working on a similar move with a client right now and here's what advise I can give based on the decisions we made. Only change one thing at a time. You're contemplating changing 3 things at a time. If you are going to most hosts, move hosts and stay on Win/CF for now. If the site is important to your business (and it sounds like it is) am a big proponent of only changing one thing at a time. It sounds like your real immediate problem is hosting, I would solve that problem first. If you want to manage the servers yourself, look at Amazon or RackSpace or one of the cloud providers and move to windows VMs running there. Moving to a VM should be relatively straightforward and since this is the most urgent thing, I would do this one first. It should be the quickest, though you may have to deal with things like getting outbound email routed/whitelisted properly. I would bet you are thinking about moving to Linux/Railo since you're about to be responsible for license costs all the sudden that you don't have and are not cheap. Valid reason, but I would wait. Pay the extra money for the short term and move the code over to Linux/Railo later. Moving to Linux/Railo is not a bad move at all, and you can probably do these at the same time. However, you're probably going to want to spend some quality time with the code first. Sometimes it's easy as cake and no modifications are required tot he code at all. Sometimes it's more complex. I'm guessing you'll want to move to something like MySQL or another lower cost DB server as well. Just make sure that you give yourself some time to play with the Linux/Railo setup before you make the final move. Lastly, you might take a quick peek at RightScale for cloud server management / configuration management. It's basically Chef/Puppet scripts you can glue together to automate server deployments across various cloud platforms. The single user version is free last time I checked. http://www.rightscale.com/ -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358176 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade servers at Cybercon; check out their hardware configs. I don't see how you can beat those prices. My servers there have been absolutely reliable. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358179 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Moving part of my hosting business - thoughts about my plan please ...
Thank you everybody, I'm glad I asked.I have changed my plan now. Cameron and others made a good point. I was trying to do too many thing at once. My plan now is to get a new hosting environment as similar as possible to my current one, so its gives me the most chance that I'll be able to just copy everything over and most of it will work as is. Then work from there on the transition to Linux or the cloud and Railo in two more steps. Thanks to a suggestion from another member of this list off-list I'm not going with the cloud just yet, I'll go with a VPS at Viviotech and work from there. So far every question I've asked they have said yes we can do that all you do is Once again this group helps me out. In this case, I can see if I had gone with my original plan, it MIGHT have worked out ok, but with my luck the odds were that it would give me a lot of grief before it was all said and done.Thank you all I'll let you know how it all turns out. Cheers Mike Kear On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Money Pit websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Having been there/done that myself, I would follow Cameron's described route. You don't want to be debugging so many different issues at once on an OS you aren't intimately familiar with (and maybe not familiar at all). You mentioned you are on Win2003. Have you by chance missed out on running CF on a 64-bit Win OS? That was like manna from heaven when I first switched. Consider a Windows VPS from Viviotech. They can license you a copy of CF Enterprise *very* inexpensively. They are surprisingly robust for the prices charged, they are CF-literate and an excellent firm on general principles. From there consider leasing another Windows VPS and put Railo on it (Viviotech will do this for you for a small setup fee or for free IIRC). Then tinker away, migrate a low-profile site over when you're ready etc. This is what I did with my personal sites. You could take it a step further and after mastering Railo, retire the Windows/Railo VPS, fire up one with linux and start over again on the tinkering so you limit your issues to that part of the change. If you need more horsepower and have the budget for a CF license, look at the blade servers at Cybercon; check out their hardware configs. I don't see how you can beat those prices. My servers there have been absolutely reliable. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358215 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'll throw a vote in for Enterhost.com Mik At 03:56 PM 1/13/2014, richpaul7 . wrote: edgewebhosting.net are awesome. rock solid, been using them for over 12 years with zero downtime or problems. Talk to Vlad Rich Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357523 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Hosting... Again
Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357394 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I was a CrystalHost devotee for more than a decade, but cannot in good conscience recommend them for anything any more. I too am still looking for a decent cf host. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
+1 for Viviotech. Ive never had anything but excellent support and turnaround times from them. Ive heard some great things about Edge Web Hosting, too, but never had a reason to switch from Viviotech. On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357397 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
I 2nd viviotech. I have had my own web development business since 2006. I host all my clients websites. Viviotech has been amazing! Their support is incredible and their prices are great! Kelly On 13 Jan 2014, at 10:01, DURETTE, STEVEN J wrote: Hostmedia.co.uk - Never had a problem with them and they are always responsive. Their prices are great and they have servers all over the place so it can probably be hosted in the same country you are located in. Steve -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:22 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Hosting... Again Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357398 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Hosting... Again
Hostmedia.co.uk - Never had a problem with them and they are always responsive. Their prices are great and they have servers all over the place so it can probably be hosted in the same country you are located in. Steve -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:22 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Hosting... Again Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357396 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for host recommendations again. I have all the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please sound off! I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. Need Java, MS SQL 2008 R2 or above, CF10 or above, and lots of real computer power for have demand. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have recommendations. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357401 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Viviotech. End of discussion. Okay, I'll go on. Vivio provides unprecedented support **and community involvement**. They are the only host that I can - or will - recommend if one is seeking CFML hosting. No one else even compares to their commitment and professionalism. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jon Clausen jon_clau...@silowebworks.comwrote: +1 for Viviotech. Iè´e never had anything but excellent support and turnaround times from them. Iè´e heard some great things about Edge Web Hosting, too, but never had a reason to switch from Viviotech. On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357400 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Hosting... Again
Edge Web hosting should be on your list. They are exceptionally good as well. -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:22 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Hosting... Again Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Hosting... Again
I am a reseller for Hostek... Been on them for years...every since my T1 became obsolete and I had to outsource my hosting... Never any real problems and they are very good at keeping you informed. Rick -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:22 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Hosting... Again Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357404 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
Don't know what country you are in, but if you are in the UK I can highly recommend www.bluethunder.co, support has always been great and good knowledge of CF and Railo to help solve your stoopid problems :-) They also go that extra step to tell customers about known bugs or issues you may not otherwise know about and general hints and tips about better ways to do things, which is nice. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357405 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Have you considered having your own dedicated server ? I certainly do not have as large CF sites as you have, but except if you run all these site for free, a dedicated server is worth the cost. You can manage it using Remote Desktop Connexion and do whatever you want on your server. I Have such one server with Solid State Drive and it runs like a bomb, for only about 1600$ a year. You can install CF with NO restrictiction and use all its capacity. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357407 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
Hi Robert, I am from Flint Hosts - We are an Adobe Partnered ColdFusion specialist Hosting company. We host over 4,000 CF sites worldwide, and I'm certain we'd be able to assist you with this. Please check my profile for my email address - I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers Duncan Casburn Head of Business Development Flint Hosts Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357408 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Have you considered having your own dedicated server ? I certainly do not have as large CF sites as you have, but except if you run all these site for free, a dedicated server is worth the cost. You can manage it using Remote Desktop Connexion and do whatever you want on your server. I Have such one server with Solid State Drive and it runs like a bomb, for only about 1600$ a year. You can install CF with NO restrictiction and use all its capacity. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357409 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I would also suggest getting your own server or VM if the sites are important. Shared hosting should never be used for mission critical sites or indeed any site which is your primary source of income, this is more the case with CF due to the way CF works, because it runs as a service and not a process, there is no way to isolate sites from each other on a shared hosting setup. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM, wrote: I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Have you considered having your own dedicated server ? I certainly do not have as large CF sites as you have, but except if you run all these site for free, a dedicated server is worth the cost. You can manage it using Remote Desktop Connexion and do whatever you want on your server. I Have such one server with Solid State Drive and it runs like a bomb, for only about 1600$ a year. You can install CF with NO restrictiction and use all its capacity. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357411 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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there is no way to isolate sites from each other on a shared hosting setup. For instance, from time to time I've encountered a situation when I have to stop and restart the CF service, ie: dead lock, local file kept open after an error, etc. You can'nt do this on a shared server. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357413 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Okay, I'll go on. Vivio provides unprecedented support **and community involvement**. They are the only host that I can - or will - recommend if one is seeking CFML hosting. No one else even compares to their commitment and professionalism. Yeah, what Matt said. 1++ G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Blarg http://www.myinternetisbroken.com Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: Viviotech. End of discussion. Okay, I'll go on. Vivio provides unprecedented support **and community involvement**. They are the only host that I can - or will - recommend if one is seeking CFML hosting. No one else even compares to their commitment and professionalism. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jon Clausen jon_clau...@silowebworks.comwrote: +1 for Viviotech. Iè´e never had anything but excellent support and turnaround times from them. Iè´e heard some great things about Edge Web Hosting, too, but never had a reason to switch from Viviotech. On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357414 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Thank you all. Appreciate the input. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357415 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Edge Web Hosting - we've worked with them for many years, and they handle a wide range of customer needs and know what they're doing. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357416 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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+1 for Viviotech as well for the same reasons - and they have a good sense of humor too! ;-) *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-01-13 07:02 AM, Jon Clausen wrote: +1 for Viviotech. I've never had anything but excellent support and turnaround times from them. I've heard some great things about Edge Web Hosting, too, but never had a reason to switch from Viviotech. On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357417 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
I've got both Viviotech VPS' and another alternative you should consider - Cybercon.com - for dedicated hosting. Cybercon was actually my first dedicated host years ago but - while their uptime and hardware specs were absolutely top-drawer... so was their pricing. They were very expensive. Several months ago checked their pricing on a whim and was shocked to see they now have blade servers - with really really beefy specs - at prices that worked out to be less than my Viviotech VPS accounts (which I had beefed up to hold quite a few sites, which in turn raised my costs). I still recommend Viviotech as a great company with great people working there. Their VPS' with CF Enterprise are an excellent deal. But if you are comfortable managing a dedicated server yourself I'd consider Cybercon. Prices are amazing now. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: +1 for Viviotech as well for the same reasons - and they have a good sense of humor too! ;-) *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-01-13 07:02 AM, Jon Clausen wrote: +1 for Viviotech. I've never had anything but excellent support and turnaround times from them. I've heard some great things about Edge Web Hosting, too, but never had a reason to switch from Viviotech. On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357418 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
Take a look at HostMedia. Use the promotion code 'CFHour' and you get 50% off your order in perpetuity. Disclaimer: HostMedia is a sponsor for CFHour podcast, which I co-host. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357419 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
edgewebhosting.net are awesome. rock solid, been using them for over 12 years with zero downtime or problems. Talk to Vlad Rich Hi All, I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to what we've grown to be. Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I have to go. I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again. I have the previous recommendations which I'm listing below. If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better recommendations, please provide your feedback. I'm about to move a boatload of serous sites. So far, I've gotten recommendations for: Hostek Viviotech CrystalTech http://www.kickassvps.com/ Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on these hosts. Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357420 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting... Again
+1 for Hostek and their excellent support. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: I am a reseller for Hostek... Been on them for years...every since my T1 became obsolete and I had to outsource my hosting... Never any real problems and they are very good at keeping you informed. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357421 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
Anyone have or know of a discount code for VivioTech checkout? :-) On 10/21/2013 6:15 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: http://viviotech.net Hands down the best CFML host. On Oct 21, 2013 8:08 AM, Robert Harrisonrob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've have gone to the archives but the HOF site is down. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357058 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Hosting
Hostek has been very responsive to any questions or problems I've had and their prices are reasonable. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356959 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Robert Harrison wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? As others have indicated. VivioTech and Edge Web are really both the reigning champs on quality CF hosting. Either one is a fine choice. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356960 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
Viviotech - best hosting company I have ever encountered. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356961 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
I have been with CrystalTech (Newtek or TBS whatever) for almost 20 years and have no reason to complain. On 10/22/2013 8:56 PM, Maureen wrote: Viviotech - best hosting company I have ever encountered. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356962 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Hosting
I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've have gone to the archives but the HOF site is down. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356949 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've worked with Edge Web Hosting for many, many years, and recommend them for all our clients not using cloud infrastructure. http://www.edgewebhosting.net/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356950 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
http://viviotech.net Hands down the best CFML host. On Oct 21, 2013 8:08 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've have gone to the archives but the HOF site is down. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356951 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
I have used viviotech for years and never have any issues. They are very responsive. http://www.viviotech.net On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Robert Harrison wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've have gone to the archives but the HOF site is down. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356952 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Hosting
Robert, Enterprise level meaning? If you are going to host multiple dedicated servers I suggest you speak with EdgeWeb Hosting. They do a fabulous job and provide superlative management services. -Mark -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:04 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Hosting I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've have gone to the archives but the HOF site is down. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356953 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Hosting
Thanks for all the responses everyone. Appreciate that. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_williams -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:14 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Hosting Robert, Enterprise level meaning? If you are going to host multiple dedicated servers I suggest you speak with EdgeWeb Hosting. They do a fabulous job and provide superlative management services. -Mark -Original Message- From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:04 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Hosting I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've have gone to the archives but the HOF site is down. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356954 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
+ lots and lots and lots - love 'em! *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 13-10-21 06:15 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: http://viviotech.net Hands down the best CFML host. On Oct 21, 2013 8:08 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? I've have gone to the archives but the HOF site is down. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356955 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
Ive been truly blessed by Kickassvps http://www.kickassvps.com/ Rob Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D. Director, Clergy Leadership Institute For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/ 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382 On 21 Oct 2013 at 9:04, Robert Harrison wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356956 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Hosting
Ditto... I had a VPS with them for a few years, then moved to a VDS (Virtual Dedicated Server) about a year ago. Support couldn't be better and they're a great group. I've had almost no problems with the service for the entire time I've been with them. And any issues were promptly addressed. And, no, I make no money for my promotion. Rick -Original Message- From: Rob Voyle [mailto:robvo...@voyle.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting Ive been truly blessed by Kickassvps http://www.kickassvps.com/ Rob Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D. Director, Clergy Leadership Institute For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/ 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382 On 21 Oct 2013 at 9:04, Robert Harrison wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356957 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting
Years ago I used Cybercon for full on dedicated servers. Then I moved to CrystalTech for lower cost. THEN I moved to Viviotech and took advantage of their killer-deal CF Enterprise VPS' (or they'll install Railo if you ask for $0 monthly). Recently I went back to Cybercon for some of my big stuff as they now have blade servers at amazing prices. 16gb RAM, RAID1 SAS drives, 30mbps pipe, 8 IPs for about $200/month. A version with 4GB and a single SAS drive is half that. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Ditto... I had a VPS with them for a few years, then moved to a VDS (Virtual Dedicated Server) about a year ago. Support couldn't be better and they're a great group. I've had almost no problems with the service for the entire time I've been with them. And any issues were promptly addressed. And, no, I make no money for my promotion. Rick -Original Message- From: Rob Voyle [mailto:robvo...@voyle.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting Ive been truly blessed by Kickassvps http://www.kickassvps.com/ Rob Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D. Director, Clergy Leadership Institute For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/ 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382 On 21 Oct 2013 at 9:04, Robert Harrison wrote: I know this has been asked 100 times before, but it looks like I need a new cf hosts that can host enterprise level sites. Any recommendations? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356958 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: Holy Grail? Hosting?
Hello Russ, Sometime ago, you told that you are developing a module to create CF DSN using WSP. Are you still working on that? I raised this in a different thread but nobody replied http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:64703 :( Any ideas? Fyi websitepanel is more active now, 2.0 released this year and 2.1 currently in beta, supports Windows 2012. Do not use its ecommerce system though it is awful, but the rest of it works really well. We use it for all our Windows hosting and I also use it for cfmldeveloper.com Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk On 10 Jul 2013 15:21, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356169 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting - Clear Template Cache required
We do not enable this on our shared servers, although I wish we could. Would be nice if this was maybe a sandbox option, so it could be done per site. I have noticed on our internal stuff that hosting files on a unc path, sometimes acts like caching is on, but I think it is more windows causing that issue. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com On Feb 25, 2013 3:50 PM, Adam Cameron adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com wrote: Trusted cache is not *required* on CF10 any more than it is on CF9. However on a production server it *should* be on. It'd be good if you could get an explanation from your hosting provider as to why they think it's *necessary* on CF10. If only to demonstrate their ignorance to themselves. -- Adam On 26 February 2013 08:19, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I expect they have the trusted cache enabled, but considering all the issues cf10 has had, they may be right. Regards Russ Michaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354752 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Hosting - Clear Template Cache required
I've been with Newtek (formerly CrystalTech) a long time. Ever since I moved to their CF10 plan, any edits I make to my CFMs require me to login to their cumbersome interface and issue a Clear Template Cache command. They say this is required by ColdFusion, not them, and that the only way to not have this happen is to switch me back to a CF9 plan. Ugh. So my questions are: 1. Are they right? Do ALL CF hosting companies require a Clear Template Cache feature for CF10? 2. Is there a programmatic way I can quickly clear the cache instead of relying on their interface? 3. What CF10 hosting company/ies do you recommend? Thanks! Dan ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354682 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting - Clear Template Cache required
I can't speak to whether or not they're right about CF10 (I've never used it), but I doubt they're right. That said, in reference to your third question, my answer is: None. I would instead recommend that you use Railo with an Vivio Tech ( https://www.viviotech.net/) server/hosting account. They have the greatest customer service on the planet, and are just downright frequin awesome. :-) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Dan LeGate d...@legeek.com wrote: I've been with Newtek (formerly CrystalTech) a long time. Ever since I moved to their CF10 plan, any edits I make to my CFMs require me to login to their cumbersome interface and issue a Clear Template Cache command. They say this is required by ColdFusion, not them, and that the only way to not have this happen is to switch me back to a CF9 plan. Ugh. So my questions are: 1. Are they right? Do ALL CF hosting companies require a Clear Template Cache feature for CF10? 2. Is there a programmatic way I can quickly clear the cache instead of relying on their interface? 3. What CF10 hosting company/ies do you recommend? Thanks! Dan ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354683 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting - Clear Template Cache required
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Dan LeGate d...@legeek.com wrote: Ever since I moved to their CF10 plan, any edits I make to my CFMs require me to login to their cumbersome interface and issue a Clear Template Cache command. They say this is required by ColdFusion, not them, and that the only way to not have this happen is to switch me back to a CF9 plan. Ugh. So my questions are: 1. Are they right? Do ALL CF hosting companies require a Clear Template Cache feature for CF10? Others will likely weigh in on this with better info, but ColdFusion does not require this behavior. It occurs when CF is set to use Trusted Cache. Raymond Camden has a clear explanation for why this is a good idea from a performance perspective. http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2010/10/13/Why-arent-you-using-Trusted-Cache Regards, Stephen ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354684 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I expect they have the trusted cache enabled, but considering all the issues cf10 has had, they may be right. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Feb 25, 2013 6:58 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: I can't speak to whether or not they're right about CF10 (I've never used it), but I doubt they're right. That said, in reference to your third question, my answer is: None. I would instead recommend that you use Railo with an Vivio Tech ( https://www.viviotech.net/) server/hosting account. They have the greatest customer service on the planet, and are just downright frequin awesome. :-) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Dan LeGate d...@legeek.com wrote: I've been with Newtek (formerly CrystalTech) a long time. Ever since I moved to their CF10 plan, any edits I make to my CFMs require me to login to their cumbersome interface and issue a Clear Template Cache command. They say this is required by ColdFusion, not them, and that the only way to not have this happen is to switch me back to a CF9 plan. Ugh. So my questions are: 1. Are they right? Do ALL CF hosting companies require a Clear Template Cache feature for CF10? 2. Is there a programmatic way I can quickly clear the cache instead of relying on their interface? 3. What CF10 hosting company/ies do you recommend? Thanks! Dan ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354685 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting - Clear Template Cache required
I am working with CF10 all the time these days. There is a setting for using Trusted Cache, but it is optional and up to the CFAdmin to enable or disable this feature. In the past 6 months of working with CF10 servers I have never needed to Clear the Template Cache. Regards, Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Feb 25, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Dan LeGate d...@legeek.com wrote: I've been with Newtek (formerly CrystalTech) a long time. Ever since I moved to their CF10 plan, any edits I make to my CFMs require me to login to their cumbersome interface and issue a Clear Template Cache command. They say this is required by ColdFusion, not them, and that the only way to not have this happen is to switch me back to a CF9 plan. Ugh. So my questions are: 1. Are they right? Do ALL CF hosting companies require a Clear Template Cache feature for CF10? 2. Is there a programmatic way I can quickly clear the cache instead of relying on their interface? 3. What CF10 hosting company/ies do you recommend? Thanks! Dan ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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To answer your second question, yes, you can do it programmatically. But you need Admin API access. You could perhaps ask your host to write the script for you and place it someplace under your site root where you don't have read access on the file system (since the script would have admin credentials) but you would have the right to execute it via the web. That script would be - literally - 3 lines of code or so. On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I expect they have the trusted cache enabled, but considering all the issues cf10 has had, they may be right. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Feb 25, 2013 6:58 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: I can't speak to whether or not they're right about CF10 (I've never used it), but I doubt they're right. That said, in reference to your third question, my answer is: None. I would instead recommend that you use Railo with an Vivio Tech ( https://www.viviotech.net/) server/hosting account. They have the greatest customer service on the planet, and are just downright frequin awesome. :-) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Dan LeGate d...@legeek.com wrote: I've been with Newtek (formerly CrystalTech) a long time. Ever since I moved to their CF10 plan, any edits I make to my CFMs require me to login to their cumbersome interface and issue a Clear Template Cache command. They say this is required by ColdFusion, not them, and that the only way to not have this happen is to switch me back to a CF9 plan. Ugh. So my questions are: 1. Are they right? Do ALL CF hosting companies require a Clear Template Cache feature for CF10? 2. Is there a programmatic way I can quickly clear the cache instead of relying on their interface? 3. What CF10 hosting company/ies do you recommend? Thanks! Dan ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354687 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Hosting - Clear Template Cache required
Trusted cache is not *required* on CF10 any more than it is on CF9. However on a production server it *should* be on. It'd be good if you could get an explanation from your hosting provider as to why they think it's *necessary* on CF10. If only to demonstrate their ignorance to themselves. -- Adam On 26 February 2013 08:19, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I expect they have the trusted cache enabled, but considering all the issues cf10 has had, they may be right. Regards Russ Michaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354688 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354561 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Go with Hostek, affordable and great support. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354562 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Larry, as the saying goes you get what you pay for. If you are looking for cheap hosting then there are thousands of hosts to choose from at the bottom end for 9.99 or so If you want management, better service and support then you should be prepared to pay extra for that. All the hosts I mentioned are on the TOP end of that scale. It depends how much you value your website and your on-line presence as to how much you spend. We often get customers quoting us that they lose thousands in orders if their site is down, yet they are only prepared to spend 9.99 a month on their hosting ??? doesn't make a lot of sense does it. It is also important to understand the difference between cloud and VPS and which one your getting. a Cheap 9.99 VPS is going to be very heavily contended (this is generally called cloud hosting). $76 for a VPS with CF is actually pretty good, go and look how much CF enterprise actually costs to buy, and then factor that into the equation. With the new CF10 licensing it is even harder for any hosts to scrape this money back and can only have a limited number of servers per license, so $35 per month for cf enterprise is very good. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354563 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? From the sounds of it, you are currently spending a lot of time dealing with problems at your currently hosting company. Time = money. You currently spend alot of *time* dealing with issues with your hosting. You currently spend alot of *money* dealing with issues with your hosting. Since you don't pay them much money, they probably don't spend much time on your server issues. But it's not just you. They probably don't spend much time on anyone's shared server issues. Viviotech's pricing is very very competitive for what you get, which is awesome support. With Viviotech, you are paying them a rate that makes it worth their while to give that awesome customer support to you. In exchange, you don't waste a whole bunch of your time dealing with problems. Now, I may be mistaken and you may have all the time in the world to spend dealing with problems like this. However, as a small business owner myself, one of the most valuable things to me is my time, and I am certainly willing to pay a fair amount of money for services like solid hosting so that I can preserve that time for more profitable endeavors. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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That is who I am with now...no complaints from me... -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z Go with Hostek, affordable and great support. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. Let's talk about Viviotech a minute. I'm not sure where all of you work, but we have a small business. I'm on their site now. They've told me they don't offer CF on their shared hosting servers so I have to go with VPS. Leaving everything as standard except adding a Windows server ($7) and CF 9 ($35) that comes to $76.95/month or $923.40/year. Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? A Railo or openBD server only has a setup cost but I'm assuming I'd have to make code adjustments for those - I don't know anything about them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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What he said. If I have to spend two hours a month dealing with bad tech support at a hosting company, I have wasted more billable time than my hosting costs at VivioTech, where I get excellent support within minutes. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Really? No one sees that as a hefty cost for a *small* business? From the sounds of it, you are currently spending a lot of time dealing with problems at your currently hosting company. Time = money. You currently spend alot of *time* dealing with issues with your hosting. You currently spend alot of *money* dealing with issues with your hosting.] ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Does anyone else use them? I don't. My frustration factor is climbing. Neither their support or sales people are responding. The last time this happened they were buying someone out and all were supposedly busy. Full stop. If you do not immediately move off of a host who behaves this way after it's happened TWICE, then you are doing it wrong. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It's already happened twice. Sounds like you are begging to for a third time. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354532 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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There are plenty better choices for usa, try viviotech.com. For dedicated edgewebhosting.com, if your in Europe, www.bluethunder.co Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Feb 15, 2013 7:21 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@iu.edu wrote: Does anyone else use them? I don't. My frustration factor is climbing. Neither their support or sales people are responding. The last time this happened they were buying someone out and all were supposedly busy. Full stop. If you do not immediately move off of a host who behaves this way after it's happened TWICE, then you are doing it wrong. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It's already happened twice. Sounds like you are begging to for a third time. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354533 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:28 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z There are plenty better choices for usa, try viviotech.com. For dedicated edgewebhosting.com, if your in Europe, www.bluethunder.co Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Feb 15, 2013 7:21 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354534 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'll check them out. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Eric Bourland [mailto:e...@ebwebwork.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Hosting A to Z I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354536 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354548 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354549 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Matt, if you're using Windows7 or later, the +infiinity button is the combination ALT+F4 Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. -- ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354550 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I think Matt is on Linux. In that case, the +infinity button should be CTRL+ALT+Backspace, depending on your windowing environment. But still, he's right. +Infinity. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, if you're using Windows7 or later, the +infiinity button is the combination ALT+F4 Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. -- ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354551 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Where the hell is the +infinity button? +infinity ++ What happens when you add one to infinity? Best hosting company EVAR!! SRSLY. I have been with them for years. No complaints. Like ever. G! On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: Where the hell is the +infinity button? On Feb 15, 2013 10:07 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: VivioTech has the best customer service that I've encountered in nearly forty years in technology. I highly recommend them. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eric Bourland e...@ebwebwork.com wrote: I've mentioned before how competent and pro-active are the folks at Viviotech. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354552 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Does anyone else use them? My frustration factor is climbing. Neither their support or sales people are responding. The last time this happened they were buying someone out and all were supposedly busy. They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. Of course, they list no telephone ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354499 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354500 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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And then consider moving off of cfform. Please. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354501 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I second that :) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z And then consider moving off of cfform. Please. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354502 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'm also using ColdFusion.Ajax.submitForm (and I'm struggling with fully understanding jQuery's Ajax call) but I suppose I could upload what I need to my own site. Seems odd I would need to do that. I read this list every day but I've obviously missed something. What would I use if not cfform - the plain form tag? It seems like this is saying CF is nice and here's all it gives you, just don't use it. -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Hosting A to Z And then consider moving off of cfform. Please. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: They were victims of the Super Bowl hacker. Now, they've locked down their CFIDE so CF apps can't get to it. My pages are all failing with ColdFusion not defined errors. If you're using CFFORM validation, etc, I recommend you just upload the validation JS libraries to your own site, then specify the appropriate SCRIPTSRC attribute in your CFFORM tags. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354503 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I'm also using ColdFusion.Ajax.submitForm (and I'm struggling with fully understanding jQuery's Ajax call) but I suppose I could upload what I need to my own site. Seems odd I would need to do that. Well, if they blocked all access to CFIDE, you can either get them to fix it, or fix it yourself by putting files in your own web root. I read this list every day but I've obviously missed something. What would I use if not cfform - the plain form tag? It seems like this is saying CF is nice and here's all it gives you, just don't use it. I thought it was kind of funny hearing that from Ray, who after all is Mr. Adobe, but he's right. What CF gives you is good if you don't know JavaScript, but it's somewhat limited. Overall, you're better off learning JS and using common JS libraries like ExtJS or jQuery. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354504 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Let me re-phrase the issue: I haven't stopped to examine what I routinely due with cfform - it's always been there and so I used it (So to (finally) answer you Caleb - should you use it? Sure. If you find that they aid your development then why not? If you feel more comfortable writing your own JavaScript (just to pick on cfform/cfdiv specifically) then use that instead. Ditto for any other feature. http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2009/3/4/Ask-a-Jedi-New-to-ColdFusion-why-use-cfform-cfdiv-cftable ) My big issue (I think) is ColdFusion.AjaxSubmit. I've started using jQuery's ajax call in some instances but I'm struggling with how to submit a form and then work with a callback routine. I'm looking at http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.ajax/ but it's not jumping out at me. Can someone suggest a site or book that gives some examples? Of course, the other issue is all the pages that already have the CF code ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354505 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I read this list every day but I've obviously missed something. What would I use if not cfform - the plain form tag? It seems like this is saying CF is nice and here's all it gives you, just don't use it. I thought it was kind of funny hearing that from Ray, who after all is Mr. Adobe, but he's right. What CF gives you is good if you don't know JavaScript, but it's somewhat limited. Overall, you're better off learning JS and using common JS libraries like ExtJS or jQuery. To be clear, my views are my own, not necessarily those of Adobe. Hell, we still support Flash Forms, but you won't find a soul alive who would recommend that either. ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354506 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354507 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? CFForm is pretty freakin exhaustive. I looked in earnest (within the last year or two) to find a replacement and have not seen anything that would come close to the completeness of datatypes it validates against. Any suggestions for a client side validation replacement? I am not a particularly big fan of pop up boxes nor CFForm itself, but it *is* a huge time saver in a crunch time. G! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354509 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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+1 to Gerald's question. Post-cfform, I used Adobe Spry which was pretty good. Nowadays, I'd like to use a JQuery plugin / lib (as opposed to rolling my own JQuery), but have not ID'd one yet. Anyone have a favorite? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone found a replacement for client side validation that is even close to CFform in terms of comprehensiveness of data types it validates against? CFForm is pretty freakin exhaustive. I looked in earnest (within the last year or two) to find a replacement and have not seen anything that would come close to the completeness of datatypes it validates against. Any suggestions for a client side validation replacement? I am not a particularly big fan of pop up boxes nor CFForm itself, but it *is* a huge time saver in a crunch time. G! On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: just to break it down a bit further. People that know JS and use Jquery a lot generally wont bother using CFFOREM and CF's built in ajax stuff as they know they can do it much better themselves. The stuff built into CF is great for quick and dirty solutions if your a beginner or want to knock something out quick and not too concerned about how its done. There are however some plusses and minuses on each side. The code CF generates to do cf form validation for example is rather clunky and repetitive (not good code reuse), however it is only generating the code you need so in the grand scale, quite small, but does rely on the existence of the CFIDE folder. Using JQuery or similar would result in better code, and you could have the same set of code handle server side validation and client side (via ajax) and you don;t rely on CF or the CFIDE, but there will be much more code as you have the JQuery library to include for a start, so this may be overkill if your needs are simply and add unnecessary bloat and loading time to your page. A lot of people STILL do not even consider server side validation, which allows haxors to bypass all your client side validation by disabling JS and potentially hacking your forms, injecting malware/phishing code, XSS attacks etc. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354510 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
