Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-05-03 Thread Mark
On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Sarocet wrote: The ClamAV team didn't design the AV to stop on getting a special signature. That signature could exist due to a bug that you decided not to fix (by not updating/patching). It was a clever use of a bug to disable the daemon. You are right

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-05-03 Thread Dennis Peterson
On 5/3/10 12:09 AM, Mark wrote: On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Sarocet wrote: The ClamAV team didn't design the AV to stop on getting a special signature. That signature could exist due to a bug that you decided not to fix (by not updating/patching). It was a clever use of a bug to disable the

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-05-03 Thread Simon Hobson
Dennis Peterson wrote: What they did was a bad call. They wilfully let freshclam download an update which they knew would crash the clamd service. This was going to happen anyway when the signatures grew to take advantage of the new format. Older versions of clamd were going to die sooner

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-05-03 Thread Jim Preston
Simon Hobson wrote: Dennis Peterson wrote: What they did was a bad call. They wilfully let freshclam download an update which they knew would crash the clamd service. This was going to happen anyway when the signatures grew to take advantage of the new format. Older versions of clamd were

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-05-03 Thread Bill Maidment
Simon, Mark, Are you ever going to get over it and move on? If you are unhappy with ClamAVs decision take your bat and ball and go to some other ball park. Here. Here! Enough is enough! There are more important things to consider. Do I take tea, or coffee? One lump, or two? Have a nice

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-05-03 Thread Simon Hobson
Jim Preston wrote: The rest only makes sense IF that statement is true. It's already been pointed out that it was not inevitable, and had the team cared then there were ways of not making old versions die. More than one technique has been mentioned, and at least one of them would have been

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-27 Thread Nathan Gibbs
* Simon Hobson wrote: h...@dip-systems.de wrote: After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Is there no more support for this Debian Release? No, according to certain people on this list, you are a cretin, and incompetent to even handle the off

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-27 Thread Jim Preston
Nathan Gibbs wrote: Unfortunately. If an old Clamav was installed on a system that did a vital task, but could basically be a set it and forget it system, the setup got shafted by the ClamAV team. No other way to call it. To me this is an oxymoron vital task + set and forget Set and forget

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-27 Thread Nathan Gibbs
* Jim Preston wrote: To me this is an oxymoron vital task + set and forget Set and forget solutions are for NON-VITAL tasks by the very statement of 'forget'. Your opinion, which you are entitled to. I'll agree to disagree with you. :-) it is up to THEM to ensure changes to the project

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-27 Thread Sarocet
Nathan Gibbs wrote: Here is what I absolutely do not like about this or agree with. The very possibility of there being a kill sig. One specially crafted sig could kill the virus protection on every server workstation in our company. Allowing the ClamAV Team to remotely nuke a level of our

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-27 Thread Jim Preston
On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Sarocet wrote: Nathan Gibbs wrote: Here is what I absolutely do not like about this or agree with. The very possibility of there being a kill sig. One specially crafted sig could kill the virus protection on every server workstation in our company.

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-27 Thread Nathan Gibbs
* Jim Preston wrote: On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Sarocet wrote: The ClamAV team didn't design the AV to stop on getting a special signature. That signature could exist due to a bug that you decided not to fix (by not updating/patching). It was a clever use of a bug to disable the daemon.

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-27 Thread Gianluigi Tiesi
On 21/04/2010 13.54, h...@dip-systems.de wrote: After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Is there no more support for this Debian Release? NO! woody was released in 2002 (8 years ago) they stopped releasing security updates on Jun 2006 (4 year

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-24 Thread Simon Hobson
Daniel McDonald wrote: I'm a little confused by this (still), is it not true that simply turning off freshclam will allow clamav to continue working indefinitely on the existing signature set? No, you need to turn off freshclam *and* delete one signature, or grab an older copy of the

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-24 Thread Robert Wyatt
Simon Hobson wrote: Daniel McDonald wrote: I'm a little confused by this (still), is it not true that simply turning off freshclam will allow clamav to continue working indefinitely on the existing signature set? No, you need to turn off freshclam *and* delete one signature, or grab an

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-24 Thread Simon Hobson
Robert Wyatt wrote: You missed a few steps : - Find out what has happened to your software that was working fine yesterday. - Work out what to do RIGHT NOW because your phone is ringing with people asking where their mail is* - Put in place a quick workaround (disable scanning) to allow the

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Thomas Hochstein
Simon Hobson schrieb: OK, how's this then. 9.5.3 (IIRC) came out about the time the notice was published. It costs virtually nothing to add an extra DNS entry, and the release could have had the default server URL changed for Freshclam to fetch updates. it wouldn't even have been a great

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Thomas Hochstein wrote: OK, how's this then. 9.5.3 (IIRC) came out about the time the notice was published. It costs virtually nothing to add an extra DNS entry, and the release could have had the default server URL changed for Freshclam to fetch updates. it wouldn't even have been a

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Rob Sterenborg
OK, how's this then. 9.5.3 (IIRC) came out about the time the notice OK, how's this then. If you used freshclam, everytime you updated the signatures you got a message about ClamAV being outdated. The gap between 0.94 and now it quite big. The people who *chose* to ignore it are to blame. If

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Erwan David
Message original Sujet: Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore? De : Rob Sterenborg r.sterenb...@netsourcing.nl Pour : ClamAV users ML clamav-users@lists.clamav.net Date : Fri Apr 23 2010 09:40:20 GMT+0200 OK, how's this then. 9.5.3 (IIRC) came out about the time

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Rob Sterenborg
Erwan David wrote: Message of freshclam did not specify that older versions would stop. It was the same message as for minor upgrades. This did not give the information that something different than usual was planned. It still means you should upgrade and the message was ignored long enough

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.04.10 13:54, h...@dip-systems.de wrote: After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. woody??? another two newer debian releases (sarge and etch) are EOL now. Is there no more support for this Debian Release? You could compile clamav by yourself,

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Jim Preston
On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 21.04.10 13:54, h...@dip-systems.de wrote: After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. woody??? another two newer debian releases (sarge and etch) are EOL now. Is there no more support

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Rob Sterenborg wrote: Message of freshclam did not specify that older versions would stop. It was the same message as for minor upgrades. This did not give the information that something different than usual was planned. It still means you should upgrade and the message was ignored long

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:42:40 +0100 Simon li...@thehobsons.co.uk articulated: {snip} Applying the logic used with some venom here, every one of those systems should have been upgraded and/or scrapped - never mind whether they would still be capable of doing the job they are there for.

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Jim Preston
On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: Rob Sterenborg wrote: Message of freshclam did not specify that older versions would stop. It was the same message as for minor upgrades. This did not give the information that something different than usual was planned. It still means

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Jerry wrote: By the way, I still also have an old 8086 with DOS 3? (I don't remember the version) that still works. I still use it on occasion to copy old 5.25 floppys to other media. Yes, some local government agencies have valuable documents archived in that format. However, I would never

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Robert Wyatt
Simon Hobson wrote: Jerry wrote: By the way, I still also have an old 8086 with DOS 3? (I don't remember the version) that still works. I still use it on occasion to copy old 5.25 floppys to other media. Yes, some local government agencies have valuable documents archived in that format.

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-23 Thread Daniel McDonald
On 4/23/10 4:05 PM, Robert Wyatt chupacerv...@gmail.com wrote: Simon Hobson wrote: Jerry wrote: By the way, I still also have an old 8086 with DOS 3? (I don't remember the version) that still works. I still use it on occasion to copy old 5.25 floppys to other media. Yes, some local

[Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread HJMR
After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Is there no more support for this Debian Release? ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Steve Basford
After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Could be this... This move is needed to push more people to upgrade to 0.95 See: http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/2009/10/05/eol-clamav-094/ Cheers, Steve Sanesecurity

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Rob Sterenborg
After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Your ClamAV is probably EOL. Please upgrade. http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/2009/10/05/eol-clamav-094/ If your distro does not have a recent ClamAV package, you should be able to build it from source. (I saw a

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Simon Hobson
h...@dip-systems.de wrote: After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Is there no more support for this Debian Release? No, according to certain people on this list, you are a cretin, and incompetent to even handle the off switch of a computer. If

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Simon Hobson wrote: No, according to certain people on this list, you are a cretin, and incompetent to even handle the off switch of a computer. If you check the list archives - particular for threads (no subject) and Those EOL tweets you'll see that you are far from

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Simon Hobson wrote: No, according to certain people on this list, you are a cretin, and incompetent to even handle the off switch of a computer. If you check the list archives - particular for threads (no subject) and Those EOL tweets you'll see that you

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread aCaB
h...@dip-systems.de wrote: Is there no more support for this Debian Release? Debian Woody became old-stable in Jun 2005 and support was discontinued since June 2006. Your version of ClamAV is also obsolete. --aCaB ___ Help us build a comprehensive

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Eric Rostetter
Quoting Stephen Gran st...@lobefin.net: Faced with an old release of software that will die if the team uses new functionality due to a known bug, and people who will not upgrade to the version that fixes this bug, and a reasonably urgent need to use the new functionality, what exactly would

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Dennis Peterson
On 4/21/10 11:16 AM, Stephen Gran wrote: Faced with an old release of software that will die if the team uses new functionality due to a known bug, and people who will not upgrade to the version that fixes this bug, and a reasonably urgent need to use the new functionality, what exactly would

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Simon Hobson
Eric Rostetter wrote: Faced with an old release of software that will die if the team uses new functionality due to a known bug, and people who will not upgrade to the version that fixes this bug, and a reasonably urgent need to use the new functionality, what exactly would you have done

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Simon Hobson
h...@dip-systems.de wrote: After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Is there no more support for this Debian Release? But Gianluigi Tiesi did post this a few days ago - dunno if it will work for Woody though. Temporary fix for debian sarge, I

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Eric Rostetter
Quoting Simon Hobson li...@thehobsons.co.uk: OK, how's this then. 9.5.3 (IIRC) came out about the time the notice was published. And handles the signature, so it doesn't matter. It costs virtually nothing to add an extra DNS entry, You don't know what it costs others to setup a DNS

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Jim Preston
On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: h...@dip-systems.de wrote: After the last signature update, clam av stopped working on our woody installation. Is there no more support for this Debian Release? No, according to certain people on this list, you are a cretin, and

Re: [Clamav-users] No debian woody support anymore?

2010-04-21 Thread Jim Preston
On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: Christopher X. Candreva wrote: No, according to certain people on this list, you are a cretin, and incompetent to even handle the off switch of a computer. If you check the list archives - particular for threads (no subject) and Those EOL