Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Jackson Muthili
My few observations :- 1 Let us maintain objectivity in discussion and not attack persons 2 I feel too that Owen speaks too often for Alan. He is free to do so; Alan is free to not speak up as he wish. It is a free world. It does however raise eyebrows on intent of Owen with some people to paraphr

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Omo Oaiya
> On 16 Sep 2016, at 10:39, Jackson Muthili wrote: > > 2 I feel too that Owen speaks too often for Alan. He is free to do so; > Alan is free to not speak up as he wish. It is a free world. +1 > It does > however raise eyebrows on intent of Owen with some people to > paraphrase his action as s

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Andrew Alston
It also worries me that people seem to restrict what OTHERS say. If Owen feels like he wishes to comment on something – he is as free to do so as anyone here is free to say anything. Why do you wish to censor some members of the community? If you don’t like what they say – feel free to ignore

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Jackson Muthili
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: > It also worries me that people seem to restrict what OTHERS say. > > If Owen feels like he wishes to comment on something – he is as free to do > so as anyone here is free to say anything. Has anyone restricted or stopped another from expre

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Andrew Alston
Thanks Jackson for your permission for me to speak, its hugely appreciated. Anyway, I'm off to have a nice drink and worry about things that actually matter :) Andrew -Original Message- From: Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmu...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 September 2016 13:21 To: General Dis

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Badru Ntege
Members We need to put certain things in perspective As members we share views openly and are free to comment or not to comment. Even free speech has its guidelines thus the code of conduct. The origins of my comment which seems to have sparked defensive comments from third parties was bas

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Noah
Well CEO promised to get back within a week if i read him well... Badru was for specifics in terms of timelines... I dont know what Owen was talking about or trying to say... Jackson said we remain objective at the of the day But at the end, I will wait for the CEO's promise of within a week..

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Christian Bope
Dear all, Thank you Jackson for your observations which make more sense to me as a members of the community. We should all focus our energy and strength in the building up of the community and the future. Remain optimistic and maintain some decorum and respect in the way we communicate. "Our dive

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Jackson Muthili
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: > > Thanks Jackson for your permission for me to speak, its hugely appreciated. :-) > Anyway, I'm off to have a nice drink and worry about things that actually > matter :) On a more serious note :- yes theres freedom of speech and expressio

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Noah
On 16 Sep 2016 13:03, "Andrew Alston" wrote: > > Here is a big hint – don’t like something, you’re free to ignore it, or, in this case, free to bitch and whine about it. > Mmm I dont support this, we ought to remain objective imho... Noah ___ C

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Andrew Alston
Jackson, Maybe it’s time for me to be bluntly honest and open. Because yes, my sarcasm is not becoming, but I am beyond frustrated and tired of what I see on this list. It is hypocrisy in the extreme to read from certain individuals whining about other people not meeting deadlines considering

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

2016-09-16 Thread Ali Hussein
All I actually find some discussions here pretty demeaning and disheartening. Doesn't this list have some basic guidelines regarding decorum and rules of engagement? Otherwise we will end up losing focus on why this discussion forum was started in the first place - which I'm presuming is to e

[Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Alan Barrett
-SuggestedImprovements-20160916.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Matters Arising - Further clarification

2016-09-16 Thread Noah
On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Sunday Folayan wrote: > > > 4. Membership of CoE > The Bylaws section 16 gives the Board the power to consider former > Chairpersons of AFRINIC for appointment to the Council of Elders. The Board > has not formally discussed appointing the former Chairman in quest

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Mark Elkins
I've taken a look at the suggested outcome (The proposed amendments) and generally I believe the suggested amendments to be very acceptable. Thank you for taking the time and doing this Alan. My only disappointment is the outcome regarding the non-voting status of Associate Members, whom I strongl

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Bope Domilongo Christian
Dear CEO, Thank you for sharing the Bylaws change working document with the community. After reading the document, I have two quick question before going to the substance of the changes. 1. How the decisions was made for the “No consensus” / “no objections”? 2. I remember that during the di

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Jackson Muthili
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Bope Domilongo Christian wrote: > Dear CEO, > > Thank you for sharing the Bylaws change working document with the > community. > > After reading the document, I have two quick question before going to the > substance of the changes. > 1. How the decisions was mad

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Christian Bope
On 17 Sep 2016 12:58 a.m., "Jackson Muthili" wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Bope Domilongo Christian > wrote: > > Dear CEO, > > > > Thank you for sharing the Bylaws change working document with the > > community. > > > > After reading the document, I have two quick question before g

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Alan Barrett
[posting only to community-discuss. Please do not cross-post] > On 16 Sep 2016, at 20:38, Bope Domilongo Christian > wrote: > After reading the document, I have two quick question before going to the > substance of the changes. > 1. How the decisions was made for the “No consensus” / “no ob

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Alan Barrett
On 16 Sep 2016, at 21:16, Christian Bope wrote: > Or the easiest way maybe if it is possible the CEO can share as well the > consolidated document which include all the comment. > > The time consuming approach is for me going to the mailing archive that will > take time. I don’t know of any co

Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 16 Sep 2016, at 19:54, Mark Elkins wrote: > > I've taken a look at the suggested outcome (The proposed amendments) and > generally I believe the suggested amendments to be very > acceptable. Thank you for taking the time and doing this Alan. > > My only disappointment is the outcome regard

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Christian Bope
Dear Alan, Thank you for your response on my second question, I check my archive and revert back to you those items. What about my first question on How the decisions was made for the “No consensus” / “no objections? Have a nice weekend. Speaking on my own capacity. Regards, On 17 Sep 2016

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Accountability assessment - bylaws changes

2016-09-16 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 10:06, Christian Bope wrote: > What about my first question on > How the decisions was made for the “No consensus” / “no objections? I answered that already. I assessed the opinion of the community by reading or listening to discussion on and off mailing lists. It’s q