Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
* improved bugzilla to have a easy mail interaction system, and a more
friendly interface. And to have a last known problems page.
[...]
Problems:
a) Various places have inconsistent reporting instructions and
requirements. Some people/sites
Warly wrote:
b) The mailing list is not easily searchable for people who aren't
maintaining their own archives. Before everyone starts pointing me off
to the web archives at theaimsgroup hear me out here. I often have
difficulty finding messages there that I know were posted. Frankly the
Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From a translator perspective, I'd like to comment that the
continuing string changes in the Mandrake tools sometimes are
driving me up the wall. Up until this weekend there have been string
changes without the translators even being notified in
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
notification of translators in due time. The way the Gnome
Translation Project works, can be used as a model.
well, the latest 2 weeks were extremely freezed and during the last
week, gc and me posts which strings were changed on cooker-i18n
Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* improve the cooker cooker FAQ pages, about cooker etiquette and
everything when reporting a bug
(http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerfaq.php3)
Agreed 100%.
What percentage of ppl respect the guidelines of the current
version? It's useless to
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 06:56:05PM +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
What percentage of ppl respect the guidelines of the current
version? It's useless to write such things.
This is a rather specious argument. It's like saying. Why don't we
just not ship or update man pages. What
Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 06:56:05PM +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
What percentage of ppl respect the guidelines of the current
version? It's useless to write such things.
This is a rather specious argument. It's like saying. Why don't we
just
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:38:23PM +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
I don't agree. There are some people who don't have a permanent
net connection.
Huh? What does a permanent net connection have to do with it? If you
mean people submitting bug reports when not online... those people can
On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:35:24PM +0200, Warly wrote:
Thanks to you all for your precious help.
And thank you to all of the Mandrake employees for their hard work in
producing 9.0.
During last 6 months period, and especially in the last beta period,
some of you give some
Le Jeudi 26 Septembre 2002 22:04, Todd Lyons a écrit :
Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:15:00AM -0400 :
Maybe we need a Cooker FAQ...
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerfaq.php3
The FAQ from Leon Brooks deserve a link also
Le Jeudi 26 Septembre 2002 07:23, Vincent Danen a écrit :
Except that Bugzilla's written in perl and the last time I looked at
it, was very very messy code.
Anthill, on the other hand, is written in PHP.
You're forgotting the shameful self-ad tags here, Vincent :-)
--
Guillaume Rousse [EMAIL
On Saturday, September 28, 2002, at 02:48 AM, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
Except that Bugzilla's written in perl and the last time I looked at
it, was very very messy code.
Anthill, on the other hand, is written in PHP.
You're forgotting the shameful self-ad tags here, Vincent :-)
well, I
Le Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:04:51 +, Steve Fox a ecrit :
On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 04:46, Frederic Crozat wrote:
I'm not sure having assigned people per package is really a good idea =
it will require a lot of people.. But your idea is somehow a variation
on the same theme as my idea :)
Very
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:13, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:
To make a long story short: next time I would like to see a string freeze
that can only be broken in special cases and with notification of
translators in due time. The way the Gnome Translation Project works, can
be used as a model.
Le Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:40:36 +, Levi Ramsey a écrit :
On Wed Sep 25 19:20 -0700, Quel Qun wrote:
I think the mailing list has reached its limit. It was very frustrating
to send problem reports and see them vanish in cyberspace because the
list suddenly collapsed. We complain about
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:40, Levi Ramsey wrote:
Perhaps it might make sense to segment the cooker list. Have
cooker-kde, cooker-gnome, and cooker-apache in addition
to a general cooker list.
Don't like that very much. Some problems can strike across boundaries (e.g. X
bug gets both KDE and
Hi Leon,
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Leon Brooks wrote:
Would a regular (nightly + cumulative weekly?) automated global string diff
posted to the i18n list help?
I don't think string diffs are very relevant; but posting to the list
which packages (are expected to) have string changes and making
Gary Lawrence Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- A 'gripe' button that will compose a message to send
to cooker-bugs while also capturing essential system
information (kind of like the old windows dr watson.
drakbug let you post a bug report to bugzilla
Gerard Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I got the impression that some developers were reluctant to use the
mailing list; for example, I posted a message about net_monitor, got
invited to post code, did it, got absolutely no answer, reposted in
case the code had been lost, in vain, gave up,
Le Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:17:02 +0200, Buchan Milne a écrit :
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Ralph F De Witt wrote:
First of I would like to say that all at Mandarke and volunteers and
developers did very well with 9.0. It is going to be a great release. I
am pleased that the beta cycle was a little
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 01:35 pm, Warly wrote:
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
...
Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing
and problem reporting process.
The best part of the process was accessibility - I felt I was part of the
team. When one approach
Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And, there also need to be people who use the software in question
daily. As an example (not to dis Fred), I don't think Fred Crozat
uses Mozilla mail, but he is the packager. I do use mozilla-mail
daily (and have about 30 people, increasing daily,
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:39, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
Gerard Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I got the impression that some developers were reluctant to use the
mailing list; for example, I posted a message about net_monitor, got
invited to post code, did it, got absolutely no answer, reposted in
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:39:36 +0200 Thierry Vignaud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what's more sometimes we can be in mad mood because of multiples
identical reports or support requests disguised as reports, invalid
bug reports, ...
these 3 items may explain why sometimes people can think we
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:56, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, I think it would be feasible (depeding on how easily Bugzilla
can be hacked to do this) to have at least one non-mandrakesoft
bug-triager per package, who would be able to answer the easy
questions
On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 03:35, Warly wrote:
Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing
and problem reporting process.
I think there were far too many posts to the cooker list about issues
that were user problems. Now, these are important certainly because if
[snip]
2. a trust metric system for bug reporters.
(2) would be useful because it would give a fast indication of where the
problems lie (I'm thinking of tying this into drakbug or something), and
automatically filter out noise
How would you handle aging of the trust metric? When there is
On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 23:40, Guy.Bormann wrote:
[snip]
2. a trust metric system for bug reporters.
(2) would be useful because it would give a fast indication of where the
problems lie (I'm thinking of tying this into drakbug or something), and
automatically filter out noise
How would
On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 04:17, Leon Brooks wrote:
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:56, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, I think it would be feasible (depeding on how easily Bugzilla
can be hacked to do this) to have at least one non-mandrakesoft
bug-triager per
Leon Brooks wrote on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 05:55:43PM +0800 :
Would an adaptation to KMail (or whatever y'all use) to do boilerplate
replies help? I'm talking about something like a toolbar:
Wow, you're suggesting that a developer use something other than emacs
to read mail. Do you realize
Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:15:00AM -0400 :
Maybe we need a Cooker FAQ...
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerfaq.php3
Blue skies... Todd
--
MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com
Easy things should be easy, and hard things
On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 12:35, Warly wrote:
During last 6 months period, and especially in the last beta period, some
of you give some advice/critic/flame regarding Mandrakesoft development
process.
It is now the right time to debrief all this.
* improve the cooker cooker FAQ pages, about
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:34:31AM -0700, Curtis H wrote:
I would think that modifying rpmmon is what your thinking of. Running
'rpmmon.pl -p package could show the mandrakesoft maintainer and bug
triager
Wouldn't be too hard. Would take a change in the maints file format
though...
--
Ben
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:07:33PM -0700, Todd Lyons wrote:
Wow, you're suggesting that a developer use something other than emacs
to read mail. Do you realize that could be considered sacriligious by
some? :) Not me, but most...
Emacs? What are you talking about a real email client is
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 04:34:21PM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
* this leaves one of:
* bandwidth; or
* hardware (I'm inclined to discount this since most messages seem
to get through eventually); or
* the software on Moseisley (neither Moseisley nor Smtp admit to
At 11:39 AM 9/26/02 +0200, you wrote:
you have to understand that we receive lots of mails (i mean several
thousands per day).
we use scorring and the like to reduce the text volume to read but it
still takes time.
First thanks for the answer.
All right, I understand it's a big load... how
On Thu Sep 26 15:11 -0700, Ben Reser wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:07:33PM -0700, Todd Lyons wrote:
Wow, you're suggesting that a developer use something other than emacs
to read mail. Do you realize that could be considered sacriligious by
some? :) Not me, but most...
Emacs?
Warly wrote:
Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing
and problem reporting process.
This is my first time to participate in the beta cycle so I cannot
compare this with the past. But to me things generally seemed to go
well. I was impressed at the very
Levi Ramsey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu Sep 26 15:11 -0700, Ben Reser wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:07:33PM -0700, Todd Lyons wrote:
Wow, you're suggesting that a developer use something other than
emacs to read mail. Do you realize that could be considered
Le Jeudi 26 Septembre 2002 20:04, Todd Lyons a écrit :
Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:15:00AM -0400 :
Maybe we need a Cooker FAQ...
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerfaq.php3
Blue skies... Todd
All email link are broken:
send your email to Lenny
On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 04:46, Frederic Crozat wrote:
I'm not sure having assigned people per package is really a good idea =
it will require a lot of people.. But your idea is somehow a variation on
the same theme as my idea :)
Very true, but then again having just you to manage ALL of GNOME
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
Thanks to you all for your precious help.
During last 6 months period, and especially in the last beta period, some
of you give some advice/critic/flame regarding Mandrakesoft development
process.
It is now the right time to debrief all this.
Please comment on
Here's an idea you might like.
A lot of inexperienced users throw some pretty crappy bug reports onto the
cooker list. We don't have enough info to figure it out, and Mandrake people
probably don't have enough time to answer them all. If none of us (volunteers)
try to help these people out,
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see a LOT of I got ignored or this is the third time I've
reported this bug posts.
Amen! (-:
...and having everyone prefix their second try with REPOST: probably wouldn't
be helpful, either. (-:
Maybe you (Mandrake people) could make up
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:35:24 +0200 Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
Thanks to you all for your precious help.
During last 6 months period, and especially in the last beta period, some
of you give some advice/critic/flame regarding Mandrakesoft development
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:55:06 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see a LOT of I got ignored or this is the third time
I've reported this bug posts. Maybe you(Mandrake people) could make
up a form-letter type response, and make a policy that all bugreports
get answered, even if the answer is
Hi Alastair,
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Alastair Scott wrote:
Seeing something you reported being fixed brings you very close to the
software, something you very rarely get with commercial software.
That is true; however I have my doubts with the decision to let the deep
freeze prevale above
in Mandrake.
Well done, now get some rest (and a large drink).
Alan
- Original Message -
From: Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: [Cooker] 9.0 and next
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
Thanks to you all for your precious help
Hi Warly,
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Warly wrote:
Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing
and problem reporting process.
From a translator perspective, I'd like to comment that the continuing
string changes in the Mandrake tools sometimes are driving me up the
wall.
Hi!
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:39:34 +0100
Alan Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether BugZilla should continue to be used I don't know - used
properly it could be a powerful problem reporting and monitoring tool,
but I don't think its been used properly by anyone (and that goes for
the user
rest (and a large drink).
Alan
- Original Message -
From: Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: [Cooker] 9.0 and next
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
Thanks to you all for your precious help.
During last 6 months period
Sounds like something more useful for Shoemaker to do.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's an idea you might like.
A lot of inexperienced users throw some pretty
crappy bug reports onto the
cooker list. We don't have enough info to figure it
out, and Mandrake people
probably don't have
At 07:35 PM 9/25/02 +0200, you wrote:
snip
Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing
and problem reporting process.
I have followed cooker since beta3 and I have been badly
surprised by the lack of reliability of the mailing list.
Maybe replace it by a private
On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 19:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's an idea you might like.
A lot of inexperienced users throw some pretty crappy bug reports onto the
cooker list. We don't have enough info to figure it out, and Mandrake people
probably don't have enough time to answer them all. If
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On Wednesday 25 September 2002 12:13 pm, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:
Hi Warly,
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Warly wrote:
Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing
and problem reporting process.
From a translator
On Wednesday September 25 2002 12:35 PM, Warly wrote:
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
Thanks to you all for your precious help.
During last 6 months period, and especially in the last beta period,
some of you give some advice/critic/flame regarding Mandrakesoft
development process.
It is
I enjoyed the beta process -- it works amazingly well. The first
improvement I can think of is better integration between the bug tracker
and the cooker list. It would be nice if bugzilla reports relevant to
the betas where automatically forwarded to the list or such.
Rich
On Wed, 2002-09-25 at
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Ralph F De Witt wrote:
First of I would like to say that all at Mandarke and volunteers and
developers did very well with 9.0. It is going to be a great release. I am
pleased that the beta cycle was a little longer than 8.2. This has certainly
helped to eleminate most
I second the idea to acknowledge bug reports posted to the cooker list,
or how about this: We open a new public-postable mailing list called
cooker-bugs where you get an acknowledgement of the submission, but
you're told not to expect a response; this lets us keep a record of
every novice
I have run several beta testing during this present years including Microsoft.net, but
Manadrake has improved a lot in only four or 5 years, I remembered the first Mandrake that I purchased that really gave a hard time to install and configure but
Mandrake 9.0 is very good even so that It is not
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 12:35 pm, Warly wrote:
Please comment on what you liked, disliked in the 9.0 building, testing
and problem reporting process.
1. I feel like I contributed at least a little bit, that's good.
2. I feel like mysterious people in a basement somewhere did all the
If bugzilla would be enhanced in a way that you only have to paste the
package name (+version) in it and then see all open problem reports and
could create a new problem report for it with one more click, it would
be probably used...
not so hard, I think I have a phpscript that would do
On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 07:29:55PM -0400, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
- A MandrakeUpdate-like ability to incrementally
or selectively upgrade a cooker installation
so you can first ensure you are using the very
latest software before you
First of all, congratulations for this new release.
One thing I really appreciated was the smooth roll in of Gnome2. Really
impressive!
* improved bugzilla to have a easy mail interaction system, and a more
friendly interface. And to have a last known problems page.
I think the mailing
On Wed Sep 25 19:20 -0700, Quel Qun wrote:
I think the mailing list has reached its limit. It was very frustrating
to send problem reports and see them vanish in cyberspace because the
list suddenly collapsed. We complain about incomplete reports, but it
takes time to write a detailed
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 12:35, Warly wrote:
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
During last 6 months period, and especially in the last beta period,
some of you give some advice/critic/flame regarding Mandrakesoft
development process.
It is now the right time to debrief all this.
Excellent.
That's what I meant to suggest with all my rambling, exactly.
Good one.
-AEF
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 10:08 pm, Jonathan Drews wrote:
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 12:35, Warly wrote:
9.0 is (likely to be) finished.
I think bug reports should contain, at a minimum,
B == Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- A MandrakeUpdate-like ability to incrementally or selectively
upgrade a cooker installation
B It already exists. urpmi --auto-select. How do you think we
B update our boxes?
You learn something new every day!
Thanks for the tip.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 01:25 PM, J. Greenlees wrote:
If bugzilla would be enhanced in a way that you only have to paste the
package name (+version) in it and then see all open problem reports
and
could create a new problem report for it with one more click, it would
be
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