[CTRL] Rogue Broker's SM Harem
-Caveat Lector- "[Frankel] is believed to be hiding in Europe after vanishing in May with perhaps billions of dollars in other people's money." Missing Financier Had In-House Harem By BRIGITTE GREENBERG .c The Associated Press SHIRLEY, N.Y. (AP) - Martin R. Frankel roamed his Greenwich, Conn., estate in his pajamas like the Hugh Hefner of high finance, keeping a live-in retinue of young women he met through personal ads. Frankel described some of them as ``ex-girlfriends,'' but it isn't clear how many of the women he had sexual relationships with. At least some of the women performed office work at Frankel's unlicensed securities brokerage. The 44-year-old bachelor is believed to be hiding in Europe after vanishing in May with perhaps billions of dollars in other people's money. He is accused of looting insurance companies and a phony charity he set up in the British Virgin Islands. Citing unidentified sources, The Hartford Courant reported Tuesday that Kaethe Schuchter is believed to be traveling with Frankel. Before he disappeared, he reportedly wired nearly $1 million to a New York City travel agency, where he kept an account in her name. Long before Frankel disappeared and the international manhunt began, police got a glimpse of his personal life, including his alleged penchant for sadomasochistic sex, while investigating a suicide at the compound. On Aug. 8, 1997, Frances Burge was found hanged with a rope from the back deck of one of two mansions on Frankel's compound. The death was ruled a suicide. Ms. Burge, 22, was Frankel's houseguest. She had responded to an ad in the Village Voice in the summer of 1996. Frankel sent a limousine to pick her up in Shirley at the small house with the crumbling front porch where Ms. Burge lived with her father, Clarence. Clarence Burge has declined to comment on his daughter's death. Ms. Burge's mother, Gabriella, who lives nearby, said that the young woman's life was never the same after she answered the ad. According to Frankel, that first meeting was rocky. ``Frances did not look as I expected,'' he told police after her death. ``She was overweight but was a nice person. During that evening, Frances had taken her clothes off and wanted to have sex. I did not want to.'' Ms. Burge told her mother that Frankel had asked her to strip. In any event, Ms. Burge became part of Frankel's circle and later moved into one of his two Greenwich homes. ``She said that he had met somebody, and he was, like, telling her that she was so smart. She just loved that,'' Mrs. Burge said. ``I said, `You have to be careful about people conning you, people who tell you you're so special.''' Like many of Frankel's followers, Ms. Burge appeared to have light duties, if any. Frankel told police Ms. Burge was a ``general helper.'' She told her mother she was working as an office assistant. She told friends that she was giving him investment advice. Frankel's bodyguard, David Rosse, told police that his employer was a benefactor to numerous women he met over the Internet and through personal ads. Many were allowed to stay at the mansions. ``Some of these girls think that they might be my girlfriend someday,'' Frankel told police. ``The girls do not get paid a salary, but I give them money as they need it.'' The exact number of Frankel's women is unknown. A former housekeeper put the total number of workers at the residences at 100, including office and domestic staff. Denise Paladino, a friend who worked with Ms. Burge at a Shirley video store, said Ms. Burge came back to town one day and announced that she had found a new job. Ms. Burge said she was working for a wealthy older man who wandered the two estates in his pajamas. ``My impression was that he was a Hugh Hefner type,'' Ms. Paladino said. ``His money was spent on the people who worked for him, and she could do whatever she liked.'' By all accounts, Ms. Burge was a confused and complicated woman before she became one of Frankel's attendants. Her father told police his daughter had been hospitalized twice for depression. Friends said she was taking medication, seeing a psychiatrist, and sometimes told distressing tales of a suicide attempt and a lost baby. After Ms. Burge's suicide, police searched her room on the Frankel estate. They found a film and literature on sexual bondage, a leather riding crop and ropes. They also found a pad with a handwritten draft of an ad that began: ``Young woman looking for a special relationship with that special kinky fun erotic person.'' Mrs. Burge told The New York Times that her daughter was trying to learn about sadomasochism. The young woman had said she had gone with some of Frankel's other girlfriends to a racy New York nightclub called The Vault. Neither Ms. Burge's family nor police blame Frankel for her death. But friends such as Ms. Paladino are surprised that Ms. Burge would kill herself. Ms. Paladino recalled that her friend had stopped by the video store
[CTRL] Little Lasting Damage in Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Team Finds Less Damage in Kosovo By MARTIN CRUTSINGER .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - The first World Bank team to assess reconstruction needs in Kosovo found significantly less damage to homes, power plants and roads than earlier thought. And even in heavily damaged areas, bank official Rory O'Sullivan said Monday, many villages have quickly returned to near normal operations. ``Electricity is operating in most places. ... Telephone systems are working, many water supply systems are working. Road access is pretty widespread throughout Kosovo,'' O'Sullivan said. ``You see farmers at work. You see tractors on the streets.'' He said major damage, from looting and vandalism by Serb forces before they withdrew and from the 78-day NATO bombing campaign, was confined to the province's western part. The eastern sections escaped relatively unscathed, O'Sullivan said. O'Sullivan and other World Bank officials spoke to reporters on the eve of the first meeting of a coordinating group composed of finance ministers from the world's seven largest economies and representatives from the 15-nation European Union, the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The Clinton administration, represented at Tuesday's discussions in Brussels, Belgium, by new Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, has said Europe should bear the bulk of reconstruction costs. The United States shouldered a bigger share of the burden in NATO's campaign of airstrikes to force Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevec to withdraw his forces from Kosovo. On Monday in Brussels, however, German Finance Minister Hans Eichel said aid coming from Europe should not threaten the continent's commitment to budget austerity. That is a key plank in its effort to defend the value of the euro, the joint currency launched this year by 11 European nations. Asked about earlier estimates that Europe was willing to spend around $493 million annually on reconstructing Kosovo, Eichel said that, pending a more formal assessment of needs, ``there are no serious official numbers.'' O'Sullivan told reporters in Washington that given his initial assessment of lesser damage to the region's roads and other infrastructure, he would put reconstruction needs at the ``lower end of the spectrum of estimates.'' Previous reports put a price tag of between $3 billion and $5 billion on reconstruction needs in Kosovo over a three-year period. O'Sullivan said a more specific assessment could not be made until completion of the World Bank's initial damage survey by the end of this month, in time for the first donors' conference on July 28 in Brussels. By comparison to the $3 billion to $5 billion initial estimate for rebuilding Kosovo, the estimate for rebuilding nearby Bosnia has been put at $5 billion over three to four years. Pledges from wealthy donor countries and the international lending agencies now cover about three-fourths of that. While the infrastructure damage in Kosovo is not so great as originally feared, officials said that in some ways the job in Kosovo will be even bigger than in Bosnia because Kosovo has nothing resembling a functioning government with a budget. ``The real crisis is there is no budget in the country,'' O'Sullivan said. ``There is no money to pay to keep the electricity operating, the coal mines operating, the water systems operating.'' He said much of the international assistance that is raised will go to paying the salaries of doctors, teachers and municipal workers to keep essential services operating. The World Bank, which has pledged about $60 million for Kosovo relief over 18 months, said it would send a team back into the areas this week for further on-site inspections. Its initial assessment of lighter damage supported views expressed by the United Nations and other international agencies. In a report released last week, damage to housing and water resources was labeled as severe in only 141 of Kosovo's approximately 2,000 villages. The U.N. report said 35 percent of the homes in Kosovo were damaged, but only a small percentage were destroyed. World Bank officials said returning Kosovo Albanian refugees are not waiting for international relief to help in the rebuilding of their homes but are picking through rubble for useable roof tiles and other building materials. President Clinton and other leaders decided at their annual economic summit last month in Germany to help rebuild Kosovo but to limit assistance to Serbia to humanitarian aid as long as Milosevic remains in power. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being
[CTRL] Growing Abyss between Rich and Poor
-Caveat Lector- "200 Americans have more money than 40 percent of the world's population." "20% of the population, living in high income countries, control 86% of the world export markets, 68% of foreign investment and 74 percent of telephone lines. "Rich countries or corporations have directed 80% of their foreign investments to only 20 nations in Eastern Europe and the developing world, mainly to China." "The UN report suggests the rules of globalization need to be changed to make them work for people rather than profits, arguing against an unfettered market economy." Gap Between Rich, Poor Said Growing By NAOMI KOPPEL .c The Associated Press GENEVA (AP) - Technology advances may be improving life for many people around the world, but they are also widening the gap between rich and poor, according to a U.N. report released today. An international effort is needed to meet the needs of poor people in areas of medical research, communications and information technology, according to the 1999 Human Development Report. Researchers with the U.N. Development Program examined income, education, life expectancy and health care in assessing the quality of life in 174 countries. Among their findings were that purchasing a computer would cost the average Bangladeshi eight years' income, while the average American would pay one month's wage. Eighty percent of all websites are in English, but only one person in ten worldwide speaks English, the report continued. Even in more established means of communications the researchers found a gap between rich and poor. In the principality of Monaco in 1996 there were 99 telephone lines per 100 people, while in Cambodia the figure was one. People in Switzerland make an average of six hours of international telephone calls per year, but in Pakistan the average is one minute. ``This (technology) is a two-edged sword - it is cutting many people in, but it is increasingly cutting many people out,'' the report's author Richard Jolly told reporters. Jolly said people using the Internet were increasingly young, white, male and well-educated. The report also ranks the countries and territories in a human development index based on real income, life expectancy and educational standards. Canada tops the list for the sixth year running, followed by Norway and the United States. The bottom 22 countries on the list are all in Africa, with Sierra Leone coming last. The top 20 percent of the world's population earned 74 times as much as the bottom 20 percent. In 1960 it was 30 times as much. ``The 200 richest people in the world have more money than the combined income of the lowest 40 percent of the world's population,'' said Jolly. Globalization did not necessarily make the situation worse, but Jolly said governments should take into account more than just trade issues when they consider international policy. The report says international policy making must balance a concern for profits with a concern for people who have been affected by turmoil in the global marketplace. It is also important to find a comprehensive approach to global threats such as HIV infection, international crime, human rights abuses by multinational corporations and transnational pollution such as acid rain. ``The aim is to put human concerns at the center of the globalization debate, to focus on the global interdependence of people and not just of financial flows,'' added Jolly. UN: Internet helps create parallel societies By Evelyn Leopold UNITED NATIONS, July 12 (Reuters) - When leaders of an attempted coup against Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev seized radio and television stations in 1991, Russians used a fledgling computer and facsimile network to disseminate calls for resistance to defeat the revolt. Within a few years, use of the Internet exploded, opening a fast track to knowledge and communications. But fewer than 3 percent of Russians today have access to it, says the 1999 Human Development report, released by the U.N. Development Programme (UNDP) on Monday. And in Bangladesh, buying a computer would cost the average person more than eight years' income compared with just one month's wage for the average American. Some 88 percent of the world's Internet users -- 143 million in 1998 and a predicted 700 million in 2001 -- are in wealthy industrial nations with the United States having more computers than the rest of the world combined The current Internet user, for example, is male, 35 years old or younger, college-educated, English-speaking and more often than not a resident of the United States, where 26 percent of the population use the World Wide Web. The Internet, an example of the shrinking global village, at the same time shows up glaring inequalities in the world economy, with rich countries getting richer and new developments outpacing the ability of the poor nations to deal with them, the report said. ``Even as communications, transportation
[CTRL] Greetings, ETs, from Sumeria ...
-Caveat Lector- Did you know that "May all be well" in SUMERIAN was included in the recorded Voyager spacecraft message to extraterrestrials? To hear it, go to: http://vraptor.jpl.nasa.gov/voyager/languages/sumerian.au (Just one link in an excellent Sumerian/Akkadian website for academics: http://www.primenet.com/~seagoat/sumerian/sumlinks.htm ) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] HIV/AIDS hypothesis
Lloyd Responds interspresed below: Duesbergs argument is based on the hypothesis that the institutions that were set up to fight Nixons War on Cancer have perpetuated themselves with the Fight against AIDS. In doing so they have hung up the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis as the only one because it is consistent with their view of disease, that virus's or bacteria cause disease, in this day and age. (Duesberg ch six, page 168, A Fabricated Epidemic, and page 83 Phantom Viruses and Big Bucks) Lloyd Sez: More likely is that the virus was created at the Fort Derrick biological warfare project. That is how Gallo knew it was the cause of AIDS without a study...the virus doesn't conform to normal disease parameters per Deusburg because it is artificial! AIDS is already achieving the National Security Dictatorship's goals in Africa. The latest reports show a dramatic decrease in population growth. The whole genocidal environmentalist and population control movement whose precursor was the racist eugenics movement is sponsored by the super-rich Corporate Masters through their foundationsjust look at the grants of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund on the www Of course this supports in part by the hypothesis of a conspiracy, however, what are the links to the Governments attempts at Population Control? Lloyd Sez: Population control was defined as a National Security Issue by Kissinger during the Nixon Administration. They know exactly what they are doing. Perhaps it is the large drug manufacturer's themselves, seeking to increase their markets by sponsoring theories that will result in giving them a market increase. Lloyd: Of course! The large drug manufacturers control the government health bureaucracy to prevent competition and maintain the environment for their profits. Duesbergs hypothesis, conversely could be implemented by any number of professionals that can recommend a change in behaviour and diet. Thus any research in this hypothesis will not increase the drug market, or the income and power base of the medical research establishment i.e. CDC and major Universities. (ibid.. Appendix B page 505) Lloyd Responds: Of course! Adam Smiths self interest has resulted in this case, a failure to identify the safest path for the community, and the world as a whole. Lloyd Responds: No, Adam Smith explicitly predicted that capitalists conspire every time they get together and realized that only unregulated competition can keep them honest. Adam Smith didn't invent self-interest. Self-interest is inevitable, but _everyone_ has to exercise it not just STATE CAPITALISTS. No one should be fooled into accepting authorities put in place by force and fraud. Democacy was designed as a fraud for an elite to obtain the consent of the governed. FACE IT! The people accept the Drug Cartel because they think it is government regulated! What FOOLS! The Population Control Hypothesis has also been attached to the horrible conflicts in Africa, where the West has ignored Lloyd Sez: Ignored? No, planned the deaths of millions of people for National Security reasons! the plight of millions of people. It is instructive to observe these events, and determine whether a conspiracy exists or it is the behaviour of the institutions and individuals towards greed and power, rather than what benefits the country or people as a whole on our Judeo Christian ethics or the basic tenets of the US Declaration of Independence. I don't believe that abolishing the CDC and its like will solve the problem, it goes deeper than that. If you would like to post this discussion to prj, please feel free to do so. Clifford M Dubery -Original Message-From: Lloyd Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:59 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: HIV/AIDS hypothesis -You are missing the point that the AIDS/HIV conspiracy is government sponsored and run...ulitmately probably to limit population growth, especially of non-white races. -We have an increasingly fascist brand of socialism, not capitalism. Under laissez-faire capitalism there would be no regulatory agencies that could impose an irrational AIDS/HIV theory on the countrymany theories and treatements would compete on an equal footing! -Abolish the National and International Disease Control apparatuses that are sponsored by specially
[CTRL] Fwd: WND - The Nuclear Warlords
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990713_xcsof_rosenberg_.shtml In 1994, Chinese Army General Ding Henggao, and his team of two sub-commanders, Lt. General Shen Rougjun and Lt. General Huai Guomo, led the most spectacular raid of U.S. military technology since the 1949 atomic espionage by Soviet spies, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. However, secret documents forced from the Commerce Dept. by a Federal lawsuit, proves that the Clinton administration sought direct military exports to China. The documents detail Commerce Dept. contacts with a Chinese Army unit called COSTIND, or the Chinese Commission on Science, Technology and National Defense Industry. The newly released information includes a detailed bio of COSTIND General Huai Guomo, a personal letter to COSTIND commander, General Ding Henggao, and a letter from U.S. defense contractor, Allied Signal Corporation, seeking help for a jet engine transfer to the Chinese "Harbin" aerospace company. According to materials sent to Commerce Secretary Ron Brown by Chinese Army General Ding, "HARBIN" is owned by the Chinese Army. Harbin currently manufactures fighters and bombers for the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) and for export to Iraq, Syria, Pakistan and Iran. The detailed documents included two pages of information on Chinese General Huai Guomo in both English and Chinese. Huai Guomo, according to the Clinton administration, is "a career administrator in China's defense industrial complex" and the very model of a modern Chinese General. General Huai's credits include joining the Chinese communist party in 1953 and working in the PLA "nuclear industry". Huai reportedly "impressed" his U.S. Defense "counterparts" over the years as a "competent, professional as well as a cordial individual to work with." Another key document previously withheld from public view is a 1995 letter from Defense Secretary William Perry to General Ding Henggao of COSTIND. "On behalf of the United States Department of Defense," wrote Secretary Perry in July 1995. "I extend my regard to the officers and soldiers of the People's Liberation Army's Commission on Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense on the 46th Anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China." "Advancing the military relationship between our two nations remains an objective which we agree serves the long-term interests of peace and stability the Asia-Pacific Region," wrote Perry. "In the area of air traffic control. We have accomplished Step 5 of the Eight Point Air Traffic Control Initiative, and are prepared to carry our Step 6 by sending a delegation to China at any mutually agreed upon time in the future. Upon completion of Step 6, we would welcome a combined civil-military air traffic control delegation from China to the United States which will mark Step 7 of the Eight Point Plan." "Let me close by again conveying my respects to you on your National Day," wrote Perry. "And by reiterating my support for our bilateral military relationship." Clearly, the Commerce Dept.'s vain attempt in 1998 to dispute the fact COSTIND was not a Chinese Army unit was another White House spin effort that failed. COSTIND, to Defense Secretary Perry, was indeed a military unit, commanded by General Ding and manned by "officers and soldiers" of the PLA. In 1998, the Commerce Dept. denied access to all China-Gate documents, citing national security, on the grounds that they could "neither confirm nor deny" their existence. In response, this reporter filed suit in Federal Court, located in Richmond, Virginia, seeking the withheld information. Previously released information, forced from the Clinton administration using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), clearly showed meetings between Commerce officials and COSTIND. For example, one document described an August 1994 meeting in Beijing that included COSTIND General Shen, Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, and Loral CEO, Bernard Schwartz. The evidence showed that the Commerce Dept. was withholding details on "military" exports directly to the Chinese Army. The Commerce Dept. is not authorized to issue export licenses to military end-users. The recently released information on the PLA Generals was withheld from the American public until Federal Judge Robert Payne ordered the materials to be released in a ruling issued on June 29, 1999. The documents underscore the Clinton administration's attempt to form a political/military alliance with communist China. U.S. Defense Perry could not help but include direct references to a "bilateral" military relationship. The Clinton/China military relationship included the "Eight Point Plan" to transfer a state-of-the-art air defense system directly to the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF). The air defense technology transfer to the PLAAF, according to 1998 GAO testimony on U.S. military sales to China, required a waiver signed by President Clinton. COSTIND
Re: [CTRL] Robin Hood Outed
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man if they keep "outing" historical personages at this rate it's going to make me wonder why the population continually expands ... That's easy: ordinary people reproduce; extraordinary people are more imaginative sexually, more likely to be G/L/B/T. Ordinary folks don't recognize their polymorphous perversity; extraordinary people do. Extraordinary people are more likely to be historic personages; ordinary folk breed and are forgotten. Nothing is ever accomplished by a reasonable person - to achieve anything, one must be driven, energetic, possessed of a vision. How many straight citizens are possessed of visions, are driven by wild obsessions, have the energy to accomplish the memorable? Then of course, there's The Conspiracy, who ensure that people of their choosing are remembered in history. Did any "historical personage" ever actually accomplish anything, or are they just The Conspiracy's poster-kids? Since all historical and contemporary information is controlled by The Conspiracy, everything you "know" is only what They want you to know. Right now, They want you to know that Robin Hood was gay. Last week they wanted you to know that Mir leaks. What will They want you to know next week? Wonder what they will eventually see in Marilyn Monroe? By the NORMS of the time Robin Hood was normal, Consider even up to the time of Lafette guys wore makeup and mascara Most had powered wigs And oh those tights! Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 7/13/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Today's Lesson From Silent Coup by Len Colodny and Robert Gettlin Rather than experiencing a crisis of the soul and veering to the left, at Yale Bob Woodward became ever more closely tied to the establishment environment in which he had been raised. For decades, Yale had been a prime recruiting ground for the Central Intelligence Agency; professors and athletic team coaches would openly seek candidates for the Agency. The Navy, too, considered Yale good hunting grounds on which to find future officers. Many graduates who did not go into the Navy or the CIA often filled important posts in the government or in business, and all of these constituted an "old boy network" to rival those of the graduates of Oxford and Cambridge among the ruling elite of Great Britain. In many ruling elites, a large proportion of the members are initiated into the networks through secret societies. Legendary secret societies have long been a fixture of Yale life, mysterious, closed fraternities that enjoyed connections to powerful government figures who had been members in their own college days. Bob Woodward was "tapped" to join Book and Snake in his junior year. Though Book and Snake was not as well known as Skull and Bones, which counts George Bush among its members, "It is certainly among the top four," says Yale professor Robin Winks, author of Cloak and Gown, which documented Yale's ties to the intelligence community in the years 1939-1961. No evidence has emerged that Woodward was recruited from Book and Snake for the intelligence community, but from his year in Book and Snake he got a good grounding in an environment founded on secrecy, exclusivity, and the burnishing of old boy network ties. Founded in the 1880s and based on the Italian secret societies, those at Yale each have their own building, usually a windowless structure designed to keep its activities secret. The Book and Snake building is adjacent to the law school library, and across from a cemetary, and has a marble facade that makes it resemble a mausoleum. = Big Brother No Place for Bank Secrecy in the New World Order BCCI prosecutor attacks offshore havens The New York district attorney who successfully prosecuted the collapsed Bank of Credit and Commerce International called yesterday for an end to all bank secrecy laws. Speaking at a conference marking the first anniversary of the Financial Services Commission in the island of Jersey, John Moscow said banking and corporate secrecy laws had to be abolished if the rule of law was to be established in the new world order. "It is apparent that the economies of the world have become a unified global economy in which some countries are better able than others to participate and we need a new set of rules," he said. "Thomas Jefferson said eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. If we are to stop the criminals getting control of the world we must change and adapt to the times." He added: "Today's bank secrecy statutes are used by criminals of all types - they are not needed by honest folk engaged in honest transactions." Jersey is the largest of the Channel Islands between England and France. The islands are British Crown territories with wide law-making powers. Mr Moscow, deputy chief of the investigations division of the New York district attorney's office, has been highly critical of the Channel Islands in the past, though in recent months he has said they were co-operating effectively with other regulatory authorities. However, he remained critical of other countries where he considered laws could facilitate money laundering. He said the world could no longer afford "legal quirks" such as the Cayman Islands, Antigua and the Netherlands Antilles. Howard Davies, chairman of the UK's Financial Services Authority, told the conference he had no reason to question last year's "well timed and well judged" UK report into financial regulation in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man, which was generally benign in its comments on the islands. Jersey appeared to have "little to fear from heightened interest among global decision makers in the activities of financial institutions offshore", Mr Davies said. Offshore centres are being studied by one working party of the Financial Stability Forum set up by Group of Seven countries and international regulators. Mr Davies predicted that "the standards of regulation which will be demanded in the future will be higher than they were in the past". Mr Moscow's views were strongly opposed by Richard Thomas, director of public policy at Clifford Chance, the law firm. Formerly with the UK Office of Fair Trading and the International Consumer Council, he said it would be heading down "a slippery slope" to abandon bank secrecy laws. "Confidentiality remains at the heart of the banking relationship," he said. The
[CTRL] Cryptology: Law Enforcement National Security
-Caveat Lector- from: http://cryptome.org/crypto97-ne.htm A HREF="http://cryptome.org/crypto97-ne.htm"Cryptology: Law Enforcement National Security /A - Just a taste. Total file is 191KB. Om K - 11 July 1999. Thanks to Nick Ellsmore and Brian Gladman. This document available in original Zip-compressed .DOC format: http://cryptome.org/crypto97-ne.zip (zipped 75K; unzipped .DOC 243K; hardcopy 108 pages). [4 July 1999] Cryptology: Law Enforcement National Security vs. Privacy, Security The Future of Commerce. Nick Ellsmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." -Voltaire. Contents PageAcknowledgments 4 Foreword 5 Introduction - Some words to remember... 8 Part I - A Historical PerspectiveCryptology 10 Arms Control: COCOM and the Wassenaar Arrangement 19 Part II - The Current SituationThe Requirement for Cryptography 28 Export Controls in Australian Domestic Law 29 The Walsh Report 42 Global Surveillance 46 The OECD Proposal 50 Part III - The Application of the LawAmerican and Australian Constitutional Guarantees 53 The United States of America 55 Philip Zimmermann and PGP 55 Karn v Department of State, Karn v Department of Commerce 57 Bernstein v Department of State 59 Australia 61 Part IV - The IssuesThe Push for Law Reform 64 Human Civil Rights 65 Proposed Amendments to Australian Domestic Legislation 68 Self Incrimination and the Right to Silence 74 Departmental Responsibility for Cryptographic Export Controls 75 The need for 'balance' 76 Transparency of Government 78 The 'export' of software over the Internet 79 Key Escrow 87 Defence or Offence? 89 Our Choice 90 Conclusions Recommendations 91 Opinions 95 Appendix A: BibliographyAustralian WWW Sources 96 International WWW Sources 98 Australian Other Sources 103 International Other Sources 104 Notes Acknowledgments Thanks to Greg Taylor at Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA), Dan Tebbutt, Brian Gladman at the Global Internet Liberty Campaign (GILC), Martyn Evans MP, Senator Richard Alston, Aldo Borgu, Stephen Anderssen at the Defence Signals Directorate (DSD), contributors who have requested anonymity, and the School of Business Law and Taxation at the University of New South Wales (UNSW), Sydney, Australia. Special thanks to Bruce Gordon at the School of Business Law and Taxation at UNSW for overseeing the construction of this paper and providing guidance in relation to legal issues. Foreword By Dr Brian Gladman, Crypto Policy Co-ordinator, Cyber-Rights and Cyber-Liberties (UK). A few centuries ago trade began to develop on a world scale because the human race finally mastered the high seas. But there were no laws governing proper conduct and piracy became commonplace. Stealing other people's goods became widespread and, worse still, many major European powers secretly supported pirates to plunder the ships and the trading routes of other Nations. So State sponsored piracy became commonplace. In time, however, the European powers slowly began to realise that this practice was damaging their own interests by allowing the long term benefits of world trade to be subverted for the short term national gains secured through piracy. These nations hence moved to abandon piracy and agreed to respect the right to own, transport and trade goods on the high seas. The rule of law became established for the benefit of all. Cyberspace is now emerging as a new global trading environment and one where, sadly, the behaviour of Nations mirrors that seen previously. As yet there are no laws governing conduct in cyberspace and as a result State sponsored piracy has again become the norm. The Nations that dominate cyberspace show no respect for the information assets of others, which are stolen without a second thought. Moreover, actions are also taken to ensure that the 'weak' in cyberspace remain weak by denying them any means of protection. But Electronic Commerce on a global scale cannot truly thrive in a cyberspace where information piracy and disrespect for the information assets owned by others are acceptable forms of behaviour. Commerce in cyberspace can only emerge when the major powers abandon sponsored 'information piracy' and agree to respect the rights of all cyberspace users to own and protect their information assets. It seems inevitable that things will move in this direction: eventually 'information piracy' will be outlawed but, if past experience is any indicator it will be the 'biggest bully on the block' - the US now, the UK in days gone by - that will be the last to take this step (and, paradoxically, the biggest beneficiary). So, although export controls on
[CTRL] HNN - H a c k e r N e w s N e t w o r k
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.hackernews.com/ A HREF="http://www.hackernews.com/"HNN - H a c k e r N e w s N e t w o r k /A - 07-13-99 HNN Affiliates Affiliate Resources Cracked Pages Archive Write For HNN HNN Privacy Statement Who Is HNN? Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one. - A.J. Liebling Back Orifice 2000 Makes Big Waves at Defcon contributed by Scores Amidst pounding techno music, smashing guitars, communist imagery, and spinning logos, the Cult of the Dead Cow released BO2K at last weekends Defcon 7 conference. The Cult of the Dead Cow Back Orifice 2000 Microsoft - Security Bulletin. (This is rather funny actually) CNN Phoz.dk - A BO2K Mirror NAI Provides Detection Utility contributed by nvirB Network Associates is claiming that they have already written a detection utility. This utility claims to be able to detect if BO2K is running on your system and is part of the NAI Total Virus Defense Suite. A statement released by cDc says that "While Network Associates (and other AV vendors) may well protect against the specific version of BO2K released at Defcon, cDc has said all along that we expect untold mutations of the software to be created in a matter of days, and seriously doubt they will be able to provide effective detection (for all of them)." Network Associates The Cult of the Dead Cow Back Orifice 2000 1000 copies of Freedom Beta2 Released contributed by Dov Smith Zero-Knowledge Systems released 1000 copies of Freedom Beta2 this past weekend at Defcon 7, the computer industry's most eccentric annual conference. Freedom is an Internet privacy technology that will allow users to communicate over the internet in complete anonymity. Zero-Knowledge hopes to introduce an open beta of Freedom later this summer. Zero Knowledge Systems L0pht Announces AntiSniff contributed by Weld Pond L0pht Heavy Industries announced at Defcon a revolutionary new proactive tool that will assist IT Managers in protecting their networks. Antisniff will be able to scan for NIC cards that have been placed into promiscuous mode. While this will enable Admins to determine what machine may have been compromised it will also allow intruders to find a company's IDS system. L0pht will release full details on how this product works to the public in the form of a white paper. They hope to have the white paper and the software ready to distribute within a few weeks. NY Times L0pht Heavy Industries Bruce Schneier: PPTPv2 'sucks less' contributed by Dr. Mudge A security paper released by Bruce Schneier of Counterpane Systems, and Mudge, from L0pht Heavy Industries covers the new version of Microsoft PPTP. The paper says that while the VPN product, that ships free with NT, is better than a previous version it still has serious problems. (The good info is down in the middle of the ZD article.) ZD Net Cryptanalysis of Microsoft'9s PPTP Authentication Extensions (MS-CHAPv2) DefCon Web Page Defaced on Opening Day of Con contributed by Code Kid As Kevin Poulsen was giving the opening speech at Defcon 7, people from the group known as ADM Crew where defacing the main Defcon web page. C|Net HNN Cracked Pages Archive Capture the Flag Logs Available contributed by Ron Gula The folks at Security Wizards took their Dragon IDS to Defcon and let people pound on it for three days. They have posted over 200MB of logs from the contest up on their web site. There is some neat stuff in there. They plan to have TCPDUMP versions up soon. Security Wizards Defcon Stories Cover the Web contributed by Bronc Buster Defcon articles will be popping up around the net for next several days or weeks. With over 70 media outlets represented at Defcon you can expect to see a lot of places that will run stories covering the con. We will link to the best of them. Time - Hackers Take Microsoft to School Wired - Covers Day one of Defcon Wired- Broad overview of the Con The Standard- Nice RoundUp of a lot of articles ZD Net- Special Report on Defcon ZD Net - Defcon I User Friendly - Wicked funny BO2K related cartoon Mitnick Sentanceing Delayed, Again contributed by Code Kid Kevin Mitnick had been scheduled to be sentenced on July 12th. That hearing has now been postponed until July 26th. The issue is restitution. The prosecution wants $1.5 million while the defense wants $5,000. The defense claims that there is no way that Kevin will be able to earn 1.5mil, especially since he will be banned from touching a computer. ZD Net Free Kevin contributed by Space Rogue No, HNN has not abandoned this section. However, with Defcon, the backlog of email etc, we just have not had time to keep up with the compromised sites. This information will begin to be posted again soon. Recent News PSS Data Saved Packet Storm Taken Down NOAA Defaced Army Web Site Defaced UK Wants Inet Taps Gov Needs Training Warez Degree Offered Translate French German Italian Portuguese Spanish Today
[CTRL] L0pht, Making the theoretical practical since 1992
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.LOpht.com/ A HREF="http://www.LOpht.com/"L0pht Heavy Industries/A - "That vulnerability is completely theoretical." -- Microsoft L0pht, Making the theoretical practical since 1992. Latest 1998 1997 1996 L0pht Soapbox software L0phtCrack SLINT BCS Archives service Consulting Product Certification T-Shirts! L0phtCrack Palm Pilot POCSAG MDT NFR IDS Wireless Black Crawling Systems Whacked Mac Cybertek Tezcat Pictures IIRG The L0pht BBS Cons FAQ General Contact Press Contact Business Contact Send Us News Webmaster Snail Mail L0pht, the L0pht logo, its likeness, and these pages Copyright © 1999 L0pht Heavy Industries, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Read the legal stuff. L0pht Announces AntiSniff at Black Hat Briefings 7.12.1999 AntiSniff is a new class of proactive security monitoring tool. It has the ability to scan a network and detect whether or not any computers are in promiscuouse mode. This is often a sign that a computer has been compromised. Now administrators and security teams can get a handle on who is watching network traffic at their site. Technical details and a trial version for Windows 95/98/NT/2000 coming very soon. Hacker Think Tank To Unleash Anti-Sniff Tools, NY Times There's a whole lotta sniffin' goin' on Many Government Notes Servers Found to Leak Information 7.07.1999 Many Government Notes servers leak information to anonymous users. L0pht and other security groups were sent information about vulnerable government Notes servers. The anonymous sender was concerned that he or she was not getting any action from the webmasters of the sites. We took a look and saw that it was true. User names, log files, lists of files, and sometimes even private information was accessible all anonymously over the web. The L0pht has written numerous advisories on the subject of anonymous access to Lotus Notes servers. Before deploying any Notes server make sure that all anonymous access is turned off. Counterpane Systems and L0pht Announce Analysis of MS PPTP v2 7.06.1999 Bruce Schneier and Mudge debunked the crypto security of PPTP v1. The system was so flawed that Bruce Schneier called the system "kindergarten cryptography". Now using this free crypto and protocol analysis from some the the best in the in the world Microsoft has attempted to fix PPTP. The short answer is the system is greatly improved but not what you would call an "industrial strength" VPN. Announcment Full Paper New L0pht Announcements for Defcon 6.30.1999 Wired has a story on Back Orifice 2000 and some other product announcements that are slated for DefCon 7 on July 9. They mention that L0pht will be announcing 'AntiSniff' and 'Booty Call'. Hmmm wonder what those could be. Wired, Coming Soon: Back Orifice 2000 Army Site Was Warned About Vulnerability 6.30.1999 The latest Army web site to be attacked, www.army.mil, was warned about their Cold Fusion vulnerability 2 months ago. The L0pht even sent the webmaster a personal email about the problem. It appears that the Army only fixed one of the machines in their web farm so the other one remained vulnerable. We never received a response from them. The majority of hackers want sites to be secure. That is why we published the the advisory and even sent personal emails to the webmasters of high profile vulnerable sites. It is too bad that the media usually writes about the few malicious hackers who vandalize sites and not those trying to improve the state of Internet security. MSNBC has the story. They do mention the fact that the Army was warned about the problem whereas all the other media coverage doesn't mention this fact. New L0pht T-Shirts Are Out 6.27.1999 The L0pht T-Shirts will make their first public debut at Defcon 7 in Las Vegas on July 9, 1999. You don't need to go to Las Vegas. You can order one now from us. T-Shirts are black high quality 100% preshrunk cotton Haynes Beefy-T with printing on both sides. Size only in Adult XL. Price is $15 plus $5 Shipping Handling. I need my L0pht swag! Security Experts Debate Publishing Flaws 6.19.1999 Space Rogue lends his comments to a ZDNet story, Should security flaws be posted? Microsoft is calling eEye irresponsible for posting information about a devestating flaw in one of their products sooner than they would have liked. The focus should be squarely on Microsoft and why there was a problem in the first place. Microsoft, admit your errors. Say that you should have done more testing and move on. Devastating IIS Vulnerability Found 6.14.1999 eEye has discoverd a buffer overflow in IIS 4.0, Microsoft's Web Server, that allows a remote attacker to execute code with SYSTEM privilage. This allows a remote attacker to completely control the system including installing a remote control program such as NetBus or the forthcoming BO2K. eEye did their exploit testing with a
[CTRL] China warns Taiwan leader to stop talking independence
-Caveat Lector- China warns Taiwan leader to stop talking independence Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press By JOE McDONALD BEIJING (July 13, 1999 9:30 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - China heightened its attacks on Taiwanese President Lee Teng-hui on Tuesday, accusing him of pursuing independence for the island. Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said Lee was taking "extremely dangerous steps. She repeated Beijing was ready to use force to block formal independence for the island, which it regards as a renegade province. Beijing was outraged by Lee's comments to German radio station Deutsche Welle that China and Taiwan have "state-to-state" dealings. The characterization runs counter to Beijing's insistence that Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan and the mainland have been separated since a civil war 50 years ago, but both say they intend one day to reunite. "We hope that Lee Teng-hui and the Taiwan authorities will stop all activities and remarks aimed at splitting the motherland," Zhang said at a regular news briefing. The state-run Xinhua News Agency accused Lee of deliberately spoiling a recent easing of tensions between Taiwan and the mainland. Taiwan said Monday that by labeling their dealings "state-to-state relations" it aimed to encourage more constructive talks with Beijing. "We hope the Taiwan authorities will not underestimate the firm resolve of the central government to safeguard the sovereignty, dignity and territorial integrity of our country, and will not underestimate the strength of courage of the Chinese people in the fight against separatism and Taiwan independence," Zhang said. Lee, who won Taiwan's first free presidential election in 1996, has said he will consider eventual reunification only after the mainland becomes democratic. Chinese officials and state media have not resorted to such direct criticism of Lee since the 1996 elections, when Beijing launched war games and missile tests near Taiwan to intimidate voters. Zhang did not say whether the latest disagreement would affect plans for China's top negotiator with Taiwan, Wang Daohan, to visit the island's capital, Taipei, later this year. However, she noted a statement by Wang that Lee's comments had "wiped out the foundation for contacts" and said he was waiting for clarification from Taiwan. "We do not undertake to give up the use of force, which is by no means directed against our compatriots in Taiwan. It is rather against the attempts by foreign forces to interfere in China's reunification hopes and for Taiwan independence," she said. http://www.nandotimes.com/global/story/0,1024,69963-110608-784251-0,00.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] God [WND Survey]
-Caveat Lector- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --- John Adams Daily questions for Tuesday, July 13, 1999 1. An article by Sally Quinn in The Washington Post has this subhead: "In A Social Setting, There's One Subject Washington Avoids Religiously: God." What about you? Do you discuss religion in a social setting, such as a party or dinner? Which statement below best reflects your situation? http://www.becounted.com/ Bard "That Freedom Shall Not Perish." http://www.jbs.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] George Washington: Deadbeat Dad and Rapist? [NewsMax]
-Caveat Lector- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --- John Adams --- Tuesday July 13, 12:37AM George Washington: Deadbeat Dad and Rapist? Americans know George Washington as the father of their country. But now the New York Times wants to know: Was he the father of West Ford? As the Times reported last Wednesday, Ford was born in 1784 or 1785 to a slave named Venus who lived on the Virginia estate of Washington's half-brother, John Augustine Washington. Now, two of West Ford's descendants, Janet Allen and Linda Bryant, claim that the oral traditions handed down in their family reveal that Ford was actually the illegitimate son of Washington and Venus. In fact, the alleged liaison seems to have been something less than consensual. Bryant says that it was during Washington's April 1784 visit to his brother's plantation that "Venus was made available to him for his comfort." In other words, George Washington, the man who legend has it could not tell a lie, now stands accused of being a deadbeat dad - and even perhaps a rapist? So far this bizarre allegation has been the subject of at least two substantial reports in the New York Times and one television interview by CNBC's Brian Williams, who talked to Linda Bryant Friday night. That's some pretty hefty coverage considering the question marks that hang over this story. As even the Times admits, there's absolutely no documentable evidence that Washington and Venus ever met. Nor is there any record that he ever visited the estate where she lived. By all accounts, Washington was extremely jealous of his reputation - making extramarital sex, let alone an encounter with an unwilling slave-girl, even less likely. And finally, as if this tale weren't already thin enough, historians have long believed that George Washington was sterile. That notion is amply supported by the fact that Martha Washington had four children by a previous marriage yet none during her time with America's Founding Father. Such serious media treatment of the George Washington love-child allegation is even more astonishing considering the way the Times, NBC and almost all the rest of the mainstream press declined to touch another recent report of presidential paternity. Last November NewsMax.com interviewed Lucille Bolton, the aunt and one-time guardian of Little Rock teen Danny Williams. Bolton revealed that Danny's family was ready to seek proof that his mother, Bobbie Ann Williams, had conceived him during one of thirteen sexual encounters she alleged with then-Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. At the time, Williams' case was far more compelling than the one the Times is currently touting against Washington. First, all the principles were still alive and available for interviews. Witnesses could and did place Clinton in Bobbie Ann's company. She and Bolton both passed lie detector tests. Bobbie Ann could accurately describe unique locations of her liaisons, such as the interior of the lakeside cabin owned by Clinton's mother. Moreover, Clinton and his aides treated the story from day one as if it were true. After word leaked in late December that STAR magazine had Danny's family under contract and intended to compare his DNA to Clinton's, denials were not forthcoming. The history of the story also includes what looks like a bribe to win the silence of Robert "Say" McIntosh, a Little Rock community activist who first forced news of Danny into the public domain in the mid-80s. Just days away from the commencement of the President's impeachment trial, the New York Post front paged news of the DNA test with the headline, "Clinton Paternity Bombshell." White House watchers went wild with speculation. But with the exception of the Post, others in the prestige press, like the Times and NBC, refused to report a word. Danny's DNA did not match Clinton's after all - or at least not the version of Clinton's genetic material published by the Office of Independent Counsel in its impeachment report. When asked by NewsMax.com last January whether Clinton's DNA information might have been altered in public documents for national security reasons, an FBI Lab spokesman turned defensive and said, "We're not going to answer a question like that." Still, most consider STAR's Danny-Clinton DNA comparison to be conclusive. Though if Danny were West Ford, the New York Times might require a full-blown, court ordered DNA paternity test before it decided to drop the story. http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover.shtml Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990713b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Hey, SkeptiChat subscribers: let's see some responses, some discussion!! : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No help-desk consultants were harmed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ BABYLONIAN BROTHERHOOD. As flood waters receded after the Venus cataclysm, the survivors came down from the mountains and up from within the Earth. They settled on the lowlands plains and began to rebuild. This was when Sumer, Egypt the civilization in the Indus Valley suddenly appeared at a very high level of technological advancement. Sumer began at the peak of development because of this sudden infusion of knowledge the wh-te A-yan race, originally from Mars, expanded out from the Caucasus Mountains and the Near East down into Sumer, Egypt and the Indus where, as even conven- tional history agrees, highly advanced societies spontaneously emerged. http://vvv.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/illuminati/The_Biggest_Secret.txt : Are your ancestors from Mars, Earth, Venus, elsewhere? Do you prefer to be within or atop Earth? Are humans too dumb to be civilized without ET help?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Fugitive known as solitary, religious. SAN ANTONIO (UPI) Suspected serial killer Rafael Resendez-Ramirez is known in his hometown in Mexico as a solitary, religious man who loves his newborn daughter 2 dogs. But he has exhibited quirky behavior. Neighbors say he has talked about killing in the Gulf War, he once burned a large mesquite tree without explanation, and he threw a car battery into the windshield of a truck that nearly hit one of his dogs. http://news.excite.com/news/u/990712/09/news-serialkiller : Are you a mass-murderer? Are you religious, solitary, quirky? Do you like to throw batteries, burn trees, kill people, pray a lot? Is prayer answered? Would you rather pray, kill people, carve crop circles, finger your implant? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # CLOZAPINE MAY CUT SUBSTANCE USE IN SCHIZOPHRENICS. Preliminary data suggest that clozapine may substantially reduce the burden of drug and alcohol use in patients with schizophrenia and active substance abuse. http://psychiatry.medscape.com/5322.rhtml # BEHAVIORAL DRUG TREATMENT EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING RISK FOR HIV INFECTION. Monetary incentives can reduce the use of methamphetamine, which is associated with changes in HIV risk behaviors. http://psychiatry.medscape.com/5257.rhtml : What's your favorite behavioral/medicinal treatment? Which drugs do you most often abuse? Do the voices in your head direct your drug abuse? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Zapruder film to get official price tag. DALLAS (UPI) An arbitration panel could decide this week on the historic value of Abraham Zapruder's famous 26-second film of President John F. Kennedy's assassination. The panel is weighing a price range of $1 million to $30 million as "just compensation" to the heirs of the deceased Dallas dressmaker as required by federal law. In recent hearings, the panel has received evidence that has compared the film to the nearly 500-year-old notebook by Leonardo da Vinci, an 1858 speech by Abraham Lincoln and a 1998 baseball smacked by home run champ Mark McGwire. http://news.excite.com/news/u/990712/11/news-zapruder : If the Zapruder film revealed anything vital, would The Conspiracy let it be seen? Has it already been edited? Is it as important as a baseball, Abe's speech, daVinci's notebook? Have they all been edited by The Conspiracy too? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ -Superstitions- -Cornelius Vanderbilt had the legs of his bed placed in dishes of salt to ward off attacks from evil spirits. -Hitler favored the number 7 and planned major battles on the 7th of the month, and designed the Nazi swastika so that it resembled an ancient Buddhist system representing (among other things) the wheel of life. -Winston Churchill petted black cats for good luck. -Napoleon Bonaparte was afraid of cats and the number 13. -President Harry S Truman had a horseshoe over the door of his White House office. -Irish Nationalist Leader Charles Stewart Parnell never signed a legislative bill containing 13 clauses. He would not sign until a 14th was added. : What's your favorite superstition? Does it do you any good? Has it saved your ass yet? Does it enrich/impoverish your life? Does it fill your time? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ HNN - H a c k e r N e w s N e t w o r k: http://www.hackernews.com/ $ L0pht Announces AntiSniff at Black Hat Briefings. AntiSniff is a new class of proactive security monitoring tool. http://www.lopht.com/ @ Cryptology: Law Enforcement National Security vs. Privacy, Security The Future of Commerce: http://cryptome.org/crypto97-ne.htm # POLICE FIRE TEAR GAS AT DEMONSTRATORS IN IRAN - downfall
[CTRL] Dumping gold
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:536736"Dumping gold/A - Subject: Dumping gold From: idris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 July 1999 05:49 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some conspiracies are VERY old. The one I'm documenting at http://www.execulink.com/~idris/select.html took place before the epoch of Julius Caesar. Fortunately for us, the Romans kept very detailed records, and the whole sordid affair was carefully invesitigated by historiographers. The question remains: Where did all that gold come from... and why was it dumped into a lake? -Brian Mattys - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Robert Paul wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh wrote: ""The state" is here to stay." This is good...anarchy leads to statism any way. I oppose statism because it is idolatry and the root of most social evil. So, we agree that some form of government is always necessary or society resorts to chaos. But would you concede that the exercise of governmental power does not always have to be oppressive? Idolatry in any form is probably not a good thing. But I tend to be more pessimistic about the ability of human beings to maintain their civil liberties/personal freedom without the presence of government. The question is what kind of government shall we have? A government that protects everyone's civil liberties or the civil liberties of a few? Many of the folks on the list are champions of the US Constitution, which I agree is a noble document, but throughout most of the history of the United States, some of the most aggregious practices known to man were committed while the Constitution was in effect: existence of slavery, denial of full civil liberties to a substantial portion of the population, etc. Without the power of government to enforce the common good, society reverts to a condition of chaos where the strong terrorize and brutalize the weak. Laissez-faire becomes a recipe for fascism. Why? Because human beings are always willing to engage in one form of combine or another to oppress their fellow citizens. Only a powerful and strong government can prevent injustice. Otherwise, we are trapped in a Hobbesian jungle...a war of all against all. "Why should the wealthiest of Americans eliminate something that serves the interests of monopoly capitalism so well?" The Plutocracy will never give up their wealth and power unless we're willing to give then an incentive to do so. "Monopoly capitalism" (a poplar contradiction in terms) doesn't exist. Only the State can maintain a monopoly and only if given the power to do so by an ignorant and lazy People. I agree. The state does maintain various economic monopolies of various kinds. That's because the state is the tool of private interests...helping a few economic players maintain economic hegemony. "We haven't even touched on the issue of local governments, local politics...how local businessmen use the power of LOCAL governments to keep competition to a minimum" Statism is like cancer...it is difficult to stop and often ends in death. Unfortunately, most advocate more statism as an antidote. Perhaps the problem is not a case of more versus less statism, but a focus on what the state actually does. We will have a government of some kind or another, that's a given. Then, it just becomes a matter of deciding what kind of governmental policy can be adopted that serves the interests of ALL of the nation's citizens, not just an affluent few. "I'm sorry, Mr. Paul." Robert Paul is my Christian appellation and I avoid the word Mrit has a negative history smile. Sorry, Robert. "I remember very well how states, counties, and city municipalities would gleefully violate the civil rights of Americans with impunity." This is true...civil rights are easy to violate since they are mere (state given) privileges. Un-alienable rights is stronger ground to stand on, but against the almighty State no rights are possible. On this point, I think you're overly optimistic about the ability of your fellow citizens to recognize the un-alienable rights of their fellow citizens. Governor Faubus, Governor Wallace and Bull Connor weren't particularly interested in the un-alienable rights of black Americans. It took the power of an outside agency (that wicked old US government that is always up to no good) to guarantee the civil liberties of ALL Americans in the South. The local authorities hated the implementation of civil rights laws during that period; so much so, that many Americans who were brave enough to insist on their Constitutional rights would often end up at the bottom of a swamp. "It was only the power of the federal government that brought an end to the Jim Crow era." The Jim Crow era was a product of State statism and thanks to the Yes. The Jim Crow era was a product of State statism. That is why so many of these arguments about letting "the local level" handle things are dubious, because "the local level" can be just as corrupt and tyrannical as the wicked ol' Federal government. Thank heaven for the United States government that places strict controls on how the tax dollars are spent at the local level. Why do I say that? Because I don't think any minority resident in the state of North Dakota (my state) has any confidence in the ability of the white population to decide how much money should be spent funding educational programs in our local Native American communities. Federal "government" we have "affirmative action" (reverse discrimination),"hate
[CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit?
-Caveat Lector- Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit? WASHINGTON, DC--With national stupid-shit consumption at an all-time high and federal shit projections indicating sharply rising levels of stupidity over the next decade and a half, a small but vocal group of lobbyists has revived an old debate on Capitol Hill, calling for strict, federally mandated limits on incredibly stupid shit. Though every previous congressional effort to curb incredibly stupid shit has met with failure, the sheer size of the current U.S. shit industry, combined with the unmitigated stupidity of most of the shit it produces, has once again raised the question: Should the U.S. impose limits on incredibly stupid shit? "The manufacture, marketing and distribution of stupid, worthless shit is an unfortunate but unavoidable reality of any modern industrialized nation. Nonetheless, the problem has gotten way out of hand here in America," said C. Brian Mattson, a member of the Commerce Department's Advisory Board On Stupid, Really Stupid Incredibly Stupid Shit, testifying before Congress Monday. "The time has come to face facts: Without some sort of cap on America's unchecked stupid-shit production, we face a crisis of diminished intelligence within the national discourse that threatens to bury our society under a tidal wave of crap the likes of which the world has never seen." Evidence of the rise in U.S. shit-industry output--musical sun visors, Austin 3:16 foam can coolers, PepsiMan II videogames for the Sony PlayStation, and new toilet-training-postponement diapers for toddlers previously thought to be well over the age at which one should be allowed to continue defecating in one's pants--is everywhere. Yet the prospect of federally legislated shit-stupidity limits remains controversial, raising many questions: In a free society, do citizens have a constitutional right to be as stupid as they wish? How stupid is too stupid? What about the enormous profits generated by incredibly stupid shit? And are limits even realistic given the ever-growing consumer demand for stupider and stupider shit? Many say regulatory efforts would prove ineffective. "Sure, everybody would like to see smarter shit on the market," U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) told reporters, "but it doesn't sell. We're talking about knee-jerk, 'feel-good' legislation that is unenforceable in practice." Pausing to suck briefly on the tongue of a Jar Jar-shaped candy item impulse-purchased at a D.C.-area Walgreens, Brownback continued: "If people didn't want to waste their money on all this stupid crap, they wouldn't. In a free-market economy, manufacturers who wish to remain competitive must keep stupider and stupider shit in constant supply." Standing in opposition to Brownback and others is the San Francisco-based group Citizens For Federal Shit Limits, which is calling for stricter federal regulation of incredibly stupid shit. Formed in May 1998 after the so-called "shocked and amazed lady" from "that one psychic-phone-line commercial" also started appearing in late-night ads touting an exciting new way to save big money on your phone bill--a "crisis moment" that served as "a major wake-up call" to anti-stupid-shit activist groups throughout the nation--Citizens for Federal Shit Limits estimates that U.S. shit is 65 percent stupider than in 1980. Wishing to remain realistic in its goals, CFSL is not calling for limits on any of the nation's "stupid" or "really stupid" shit, asking the government only to cap the most dangerous, "incredibly stupid" forms of shit currently on the market. Citing such as examples as garbage-shaped food, pet horoscopes, pseudo-mystical "Win The Lotto" scented aerosol sprays, and "Taco Bell Chihuahua" T-shirts, CFSL director Kurt Bergeron said steps must be taken to curb stupidity now. "Look at this ridiculous piece of unadulterated plastic junk," said Bergeron, randomly picking up an object from the shelves of a Bay Area Spencer Gifts, where the group staged a press conference and protest. "Just look at it! A magnetized Monica Lewinsky face that says, 'Interns Suck'? What kind of a human being would buy this? And why does it need to glow in the dark? I ask you, does that make sense? Where does it all end? Has the entire planet gone insane?" Despite the outcry from the CFSL and other groups, many experts contend that any effort to pass shit-limiting legislation is doomed to fail. The U.S., they say, has become so dependent on incredibly stupid shit that sustained, long-term economic growth cannot be ensured without the steady influx of still-stupider shit. Some business owners, such as Bradley Swearingen, a New Jersey-based manufacturer of Backstreet Boys fanny packs, insist they would be driven out of business if incredibly-stupid-shit limits were enacted. "What am I opposed to tell my customers?" Swearingen said. "'Sorry, Washington says no more fanny packs for you; time to spend your money on great works of
[CTRL] Cisneros Aides' Charges Dropped
-Caveat Lector- JULY 13, 11:19 EDT Cisneros Aides' Charges Dropped By MICHELLE MITTELSTADT Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) The independent counsel prosecuting former Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros has agreed to dismiss criminal charges against two former aides who were to stand trial with the one-time Clinton Cabinet member in September. The action leaves Cisneros to stand trial alone on charges that he conspired with ex-mistress Linda Jones and the two aides to conceal during his Cabinet background check the scope of his financial payments to Ms. Jones. Sylvia Arce-Garcia and John Rosales, who followed Cisneros from San Antonio to Washington when he became housing secretary, were indicted with Cisneros in December 1997 on charges they conspired to conceal details of the payments from FBI agents conducting Cisneros' Cabinet background check. During a hearing Monday, prosecutors announced they will dismiss charges against Ms. Arce-Garcia and Rosales within six months after the Cisneros case is concluded provided that neither commits any crimes. Under the arrangement, the two admitted no wrongdoing and made no commitment to cooperate with the government's special prosecutors. Ms. Jones, who is serving 3 1/2 years in prison after herself running afoul of Independent Counsel David Barrett, is cooperating with the government under a deal that could result in a sentence reduction. Lawyers for Ms. Arce-Garcia and Rosales welcomed prosecutors' action. ``Sylvia pled not guilty due to her strong belief that she should never have been charged,'' her lawyer, Abbe Lowell, said today. ``I am glad that the independent counsel has now seen fit to end this case against her.'' ``I have now been involved in perhaps my fifth or sixth case brought by independent counsels that never would have been brought by experienced career prosecutors,'' Lowell added. ``The end of the independent counsel statute is a good thing for the American justice system.'' Jeffrey Gans, who represented Rosales, said he and his client were ``thrilled'' at prosecutors' decision to drop the charges. ``John can get back to his life without having the cloud of an indictment hanging over his head,'' Gans said. ``It's been a tremendous weight lifted from his shoulders, a weight not of his own creation.'' Rosales remained at the Department of Housing and Urban Development after Cisneros left in 1996 and is an assistant to Housing Secretary Andrew Cuomo. Ms. Arce-Garcia is a top aide to Cisneros, who is president of the Spanish-language television network Univision. The two were charged with one count each of conspiracy, and Rosales also was charged with two counts of making false statements. Prosecutors had hoped to convince the pair to become government witnesses, sources familiar with the investigation said. Barrett's office declined comment. Cisneros acknowledged during his Cabinet background check that he gave Ms. Jones financial support after their extramarital affair became public in 1988, costing her marriage and career as a political fund raiser. But prosecutors contend he falsely told the FBI he never paid her more than $10,000 annually. The 18-count indictment against Cisneros alleges he paid her more than $264,000 between 1990 and 1993. He has pleaded innocent. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NACCP to file lawsuit seeking gun industry changes
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message NAACP To File Lawsuit Seeking Gun Industry Changes Updated 12:03 AM ET July 13, 1999 By Grant McCool NEW YORK (Reuters) - The NAACP, the oldest and largest U.S. civil rights group, said Monday it was filing a lawsuit "in an effort to break the backs" of gun manufacturers that sell and distribute weapons across the country. "They can't go and get a state legislature to stop us, they can't scare us, they will now have to deal with us," The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) president and CEO Kweisi Mfume said in his keynote address at the 90-year-old group's annual convention in New York. Mfume announced that the NAACP would be a plaintiff in the lawsuit to be filed this week in federal court in New York, in response to state legislatures in Louisiana, Georgia and Illinois barring cities and counties from filing lawsuits against handgun makers. Attorneys for the NAACP said it would be an injunctive lawsuit seeking to change the way the gun industry does business and restrict sales at gun shows. The lawsuit would not be for monetary gain. "The NAACP makes it perfectly clear that we will be filing litigation ... against the gun industry in an effort to break the backs of those who help perpetuate the sale of weapons in our communities," Mfume said to loud applause from delegates attending the six-day convention, which runs through Thursday. The civil rights organization's lawsuit follows the course already taken by 22 cities and municipalities, including Boston, Chicago and New Orleans to use the courts to try to reduce gun-related violence and deaths. Mfume cited shootings this year at the Columbine High School near Denver, Colorado and the shooting spree of white supremacist Benjamin Smith in Illinois 10 days ago. Authorities filed charges against Donald Fiessinger, 64, for allegedly selling Smith the guns he used to kill two and wound several others. Authorities said they believed Fiessinger had illegally peddled about 65 guns bought at gun shops over the past two years. "When 65 guns are sold to one person, something is deadly wrong," Mfume said in his speech Monday. "The fact that illegal trafficking in firearms disproportionately affects minority communities is indisputable," he added. "Urban communities have sadly become accustomed to firearms in their neighborhoods, so much so that too many of us are no longer shocked by the sound of gunfire outside of our homes." NAACP chairman Julian Bond said black males between the ages of 15 and 24 were five times as likely to be injured by firearms as white males of the same age. He said black females were four times as likely to be injured as white females. He said gunfire has been the leading cause of death of young African-American males for more than 30 years. "It is the members of the NAACP and the larger community of African Americans we represent who are the greatest victims by far of this mindless commerce and this mindless unregulated commerce in firearms," Bond said. "We hope this litigation is the beginning of the end of this mindless distribution of guns in our communities." Gun manufacturers and lobbyists for the industry, including the National Rifle Association (NRA), have fought back in state legislatures and in Congress to block the lawsuits filed by various cities and municipalities across the United States. Last month, the NRA was singled out by President Clinton and other Democrats for lobbying to defeat a bill in the U.S. House of Representatives that would have required three-day background checks of buyers at gun shows. "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason, and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, accept it and live up to it."-The Buddha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Rogue Broker's SM Harem
-Caveat Lector- Martin, you little devil You go, guy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] I AM FROM THE MORMON PLANET KOLOB
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:45:22 -0400 (EDT), in alt.paranet.ufo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I AM FROM KOLOB THE PLANET WHERE ELOHIEM LIVES WITH HIS GODESS WIVES, THE FATHER OF SATAN AND JESUS, THE PLACE WHERE THE COUNCIL OF GODS DECIDED ON THE FATE OF THE EARTH, THE SITE OF THE GREAT BATTLE BETWEEN SATAN AND JESUS, THE SPIRIT CHILDREN OF ELOHIEM WHO REMAINED NEUTRAL IN THIS BATTLE COME TO EARTH AS THE BLACK SKINNED RACE, TYPE IN KEYWORD 'KOLOB' OR LAMANITES AND NEPHITES Well, isn't that *special*!! * Reality is whatever bites your ass * http://i.am/nutz * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GOP Loom-ing
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/12/1999 6:50:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HOOVER INSTITUTION Picture Mission Statement This Institution supports the Constitution of the United States, its Bill of Rights and its method of representative government. Both our social and economic systems are based on private enterprise from which springs initiative and ingenuity. . . . Now if someone can just verify that this outfit is not taking money from the government or evading paying taxes, I might even feel a little respect for them. Oh and yes, I'd like to see a donor list. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] POW: Sen. Smith's Remarks before League
-Caveat Lector- Advocacy And Intelligence Index For Prisoners Of War/Missing In Action, Inc. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Bob Necci and Andi Wolos THE POW/MIA E-MAIL NETWORK (c) aiijul12.99a Prepared Remarks by Presidential Candidate and United States Senator Bob Smith (embargoed until 1:45 p.m. delivery before the) 30th Annual Meeting of the National League of Families of American Prisoners and Missing in Southeast Asia June 18, 1999 Washington Marriott Hotel Washington, D.C. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for once again inviting me to address your annual convention. As I have told you in the past, this is always a time of mixed emotions for me. Of course, I'm always happy to see so many of you that I've come to know through the years. But at the same time, I'm sad that continued Vietnamese intransigence and the U.S. Government's foot-dragging on key elements of the POW/MIA issue causes you to have to convene this 30th Annual Meeting. Simply put, there has not been full disclosure by Hanoi about unaccounted for American POWs and MIAs. The facts speak for themselves. We have not had access to relevant POW information from the Communist Party Central Committee --including Politburo, Military Affairs Committee, and Secretariat level records from the war. Why can't we see the records of the internal briefings to North Vietnam's leadership during the war about how many POWs they had really captured? If they're not hiding anything, and they've told the truth all these years about how many POWs they really held, then why can't we see those documents? We also have not had access to prison records where some of your loved ones were known to have been held, and even suspected to have been held, during the war. We have not had full access to Vietnamese wartime reporting on American POWs captured along the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Laos, and at other locations in Laos, such as Lima Site 85, and Sam Neua Province where several U.S. personnel remain unaccounted for. And we have not had a convincing and complete response from the Vietnamese Government about the documents uncovered in the Russian archives in 1993 that indicated Hanoi held more U.S. POWs than they repatriated in 1973. Despite all of this, the President continues to certify to Congress that Hanoi is fully cooperating in good faith. As you may recall, this Presidential certification is necessary in order for funds to be spent for diplomatic relations. I'm really not surprised that the President keeps making this inaccurate certification in order to advance his normalization agenda with Vietnam. It's a sad irony that our U.S. Ambassador and Vietnamese Government officials are here in town this week lobbying for more U.S. taxpayer-subsidized trade benefits and working on a new trade deal, instead of rolling up their sleeves over here, and really spending time with you to discuss your concerns about the accounting effort for your loved ones. I was told this morning that last year, the Ambassador told you that you needed to be "more patient." Imagine that. This is only your 30th annual meeting -- how much longer are you supposed to be patient? This is really a sad and outrageous commentary on our foreign policy toward Vietnam, and our Government's commitment to the POW/MIA issue -- and you certainly don't need me to tell you that. I know how you feel, especially when you hear the rhetoric, as you have for far too many years now, about how this is our highest national priority with respect to Vietnam. If it's really been our highest national priority all of these years, and if Vietnam is truly and fully cooperating in good faith, then why are there so many remaining questions about more than 2,060 American servicemen who never came home from the war in Southeast Asia? You know the answer. You know the answer all too well. Despite all the work by dedicated military personnel working under our Pacific Command, jointly investigating and excavating crash sites and interviewing witnesses alongside Vietnamese Government personnel -- despite all those efforts, they are not going to bring many of you the final answers you deserve in the absence of serious high-level negotiations being conducted by senior policy officials which are focused on what Hanoi can still do unilaterally. Why should the League of Families have to go to Hanoi, as your leaders did last month, to beg for more unilateral cooperation? When I announced my candidacy for President of the United States in February this year, I made a pledge that I will repeat here today. If the American people put me in the White House, never again will you the families have to beg our Government and Communist Governments abroad for answers about your loved ones. Never again. Never again. You know me. And you know that in my case, actions speak louder than words, especially on this issue. You know how often I have stood
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [SC] Seahenge gives up its secrets]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Ric Carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes you think the ancient Britons were so foolish as to eat broccoli? Do YOU? Of course not! Are YOU any smarter than the ancient Britons? Of course not! Is your implant misfiring? Maybe. Egad...then...George H.W. Bush was actually revealing ancient esoteric wisdom when he refused to eat broccoli? Is *this* what is taught to initiates of Skull Bones? Have you ever seen a 30th-degree [or higher] Mason eat broccoli, brussel sprouts or other noxious member of the Brassicaseae plant family? Have you ever seen any senior Presidential aides consume such vegetables? Of COURSE not! That's one of the deepest Old Craft secrets - actually there's more, there's something they DO with the brassicas, not eating them, something else, something so monstrous that they NEVER reveal is - but if you infiltrate the next Bohemian Grove encampment, you might be able to capture it on video - if they don't catch and kill you first. Beware. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself? By James Henry
-Caveat Lector- Note the part about 89% of journalists voting for Clinton. AKE - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 4:34 AM Subject: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself? By James Henry - SNETNEWS Mailing List Subj: Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself? By James Henry Date: 7/11/99 7:58:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Huddleston) A HREF="http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~gjackson/USReport.html"http://www.labyri nt h.net.au/~gjackson/USReport.html /A U.S. Report Telling it Like it Is The New Australian Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself? By James Henry No. 126, 5-11 July 1999 The ancient Romans said if you want peace, prepare for war. Somehow this is also the downside of the better-known saying that history always repeats itself. Why? Because it is not that history repeats itself at all, it's just that people tend to repeat their mistakes. The great mistake America is repeating is to forget that wise Roman saying. Under Clinton America has been preparing for defeat. Peace comes through strength. In a pacific world the need for military might would not exist. But we live, as we have done since time immemorial, in a dangerous and uncertain world. A world in which powers rise and fall. In one sense, American power is unique because it springs from a country that was born into liberty. This uniqueness offers no protection against aggression. That can only come from fear. Make no mistake: might is fear and it is fear that keeps democracy safe. It is fear that keeps potential enemies at bay, not treaties. Any treaty between a democracy and a tyranny is only as good as the ability and willingness of that democracy to defend itself. Clinton has greatly reduced this ability thus putting America in grave peril. Democracies are dangerously pacific. This means that once a democracy runs down its armed forces it can become politically impossible to raise the funds to restore them to the appropriate level. There will always be siren voices telling us that there is no foreseeable danger, which makes as much sense as saying that one should never try to secure property until after it is stolen. The same voices use this fallacious argument to demand that any so-called social spending should always take precedent over defence spending, which is really arguing that defence has no social value. That these arguments are largely articulated by the ant-capitalist Left and its media allies comes as no surprise. This is the same group that considers America an exploitative, racist and unjust country. The very same group Kirkpatrick aptly called the "America-stinks crowd". Now it has found its apogee in William Jefferson Clinton whose savaging of America's defense capability could very well bring on this country another "day that will live in infamy". Only this time it might be our epitaph. A quick review of the serious damage that Clinton has done to this country's defenses will strengthen my argument. Something like 2,000 combat aircraft plus more than 232 bombers which comprised 20 air force and navy air wings have been abolished. Also gone are 207 ships including more than 121 combat ships plus of submarines and 4 carrier groups . The loss of these ships also meant that their shipyard facilities and the trained personnel needed to maintain them have been disbanded. The damage (or is it sabotage?) to the army and the nation's nuclear inventory has been equally devastating. This brings us to the disastrous 1922 Washington Conference. The Anglo-Japanese Naval Treaty was to be renewed in 1922. As an alternative, the U.S. government proposed the Washington Conference that would limit armaments. With a little judicious arm-twisting the US government persuaded Britain to abandon the Japanese relationship and sign a US treaty that would limit the capital ship ratio for Britain, America and Japan to 5:5:3. In addition, no new warships over 35,000 tons were to be built and a massive number of existing warships were to be scrapped. To placate the Japanese the treaty denied Britain the right to build mainfleet bases north of Singapore while America was denied the same right to build them west of Hawaii. To make matters worse, in 1930 Hoover managed to persuade, in the name of peace, Britain's labor government to make deep cuts to its naval forces. The result was to break British naval power in the Pacific. There was no way this ratio would allow Britain to maintain a significant presence in the Atlantic, the Mediterranean, the Gulf, the Indian Ocean and the Pacific. Something had to give. Moreover, the treaty made it impossible for the American fleet to quickly reach the British if they were attacked. These facts did not elude Japanese militarists who realised that this insane treaty opened up a military window of opportunity for them in Asia. Thanks to this idiocy the British
[CTRL] Global Tryanny
-Caveat Lector- March 20, 1775, Patrick Henry, St. Johns Church, Richmond Virginia: It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentleman may cry, peace, peace- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the North will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentleman wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others my take; but as for me, give me liberty or give my Death! Chains or Liberty? The United States of America declared their political Independence from the political bands of the Britannic Majesty on or about July 4th, 1776. This political union of the United Colonies was henceforth known as the United States of America. This association of sovereign and independent States convened in a Continental Congress to handle issues of common interest. Unfortunately without a constituted format, the thirteen States were unable to proceed within a structured political discourse. The States created an Agency to represent their common interests, the United States. This agencys limited and delineated authority was empowered in April 1781, by the unanimous acceptance by the thirteen United States of America of the Articles of Confederation. The United States, as the Agent for the States united under the Articles of Confederation moved to establish the political, and commercial interests of the States as an equal amongst the Nations of the World. The commercial interests of the States were tied to maritime trade, and the ability to establish lines of credit amongst their trading partners. This required a Oceania Naval presence, and a sound fiscal policy amongst the States party to the confederation. The political confederation amongst the States was failing in the middle 1780's. The Continental, the paper currency created by the Congress of the United States was worthless. The thirteen States abridged the exchange of good and services between the States with impositions of internal duties and imposts. The thirteen States created thirteen variances of Letters and Bills of Credit. The United States was powerless to adequately remedy the inconsistencies found throughout the Confederation of the United States of America. The Congress of the United States of America, petitioned the States to convene a convention to remedy the problems that had brought about economic collapse and raised the spectra of Political instability. Shays rebellion in Massachusetts awakened the political leaders of the pandemic resistance of the people to the abusive systems inherent in governmental organizations where all the parties of interest are not properly represented. The Convention which convened in Philadelphia during the Spring of 1787, set about to remedy the apparent failures of the Confederation. The States had created their Agency, the United States to represent its foreign affairs, and to coordinate the safety of the States from invasions of foreign enemies, and the warring Indian Nations. The Confederation of States is a national association to represent the States only. The people had no voice beyond the State Legislature. The State legislature picked its own delegates to attend the Congress of the United States, which was the controlling element of the United States. The delegates to the Convention sought a Republican form of government whereas all parities of interest would be equally represented at the National level. The parties of interest consist of the People within the exterior boundaries of the State, the State it self, and the United States. The State was and is the agency of the People within the exterior boundaries of the geographical State. In Maryland the State was created under the auspices of the Council of Safety in November of 1776 with the creation of the Maryland Declaration of Rights, which invoked the power and authority of the Peoples inalienable rights to self government: Article 1. That all Government of right originates from the People, is founded in compact only, and instituted solely for the good of the whole; and they have, at all times, the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their Form of Government in such manner as they may deem expedient. and declared the status of Maryland as a sovereign and independent State. Article 4. That the People of this State have the sole and exclusive right of regulating the internal government and police thereof, as a free, sovereign and independent State. The people who participate within the franchise of the State as an elector, chose their delegates to the General Assembly that was convened in February of 1777. The members of the General Assembly chose their Delegates to represent the interest of the
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- some form of government is always necessary or society resorts to chaos. Do you personally need the gun and the club to keep you in line? Or do you behave like a decent human being becaue that's what you are? Show of hands please. I would particularly like to hear in detail from anybody out there who would run amok if there was no government to restrain them. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OS: You can catch bad guys without spying on the rest of America (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- You can catch bad guys without spying on the rest of America Source: Orlando Sentinel Published: July 13, 1999 Author: Charley Reese Suppose the police said, "Everyone must deposit a key to his house and a key to his post office box at the police station. Trust us not to pry into your affairs, let the keys fall into the wrong hands or otherwise abuse your trust." Would you agree to that? I don't think so. And you should not agree to the Clinton administration's desire to require Americans to put the keys to their computer-encryption software where the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Central Intelligence Agency or the National Security Administration can get at them. If you use the Internet for buying or banking or investing, you are using encryption. That's just a program that scrambles communications so they can be unscrambled only by people authorized to do so. Encryption is the only line of defense of privacy on the Internet or on digital cell telephones. Fortunately, there is a bill in Congress that will soon go to the floor that will protect Americans' privacy and allow American industry to compete on a level playing field with European and Asian software developers. It's called the Security and Freedom through Encryption (SAFE) Act of 1999. Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., introduced the bill, and there are now 257 co-sponsors. The last committees to look at it have until July 23 to do so, but none can stop it from coming to the floor, a spokesman for the congressman said. The Republican leadership has promised a vote. Top Republican big guns such as Rep. Dick Armey and Rep. Tom DeLay back it, as does Rep. Bob Barr, the tough Georgia congressman liberals love to hate. It also has the backing, however, of prominent Democrats and liberals because, on the issue of privacy, conservatives and liberals tend to find common ground. The main opposition comes from the FBI and the super-eavesdropping agency, the NSA. Unfortunately, Rep. Bill McCollum, our congressman, has so far lined up on the side of the snoops. He's overly impressed by spook agencies. The bill would do basically three things: It would protect the privacy of American citizens by prohibiting the monitoring of people's communications without their consent and knowledge. That's so firmly in the American tradition, it's alarming that the Clinton administration opposes it. Second, the bill would do away with restrictions on exports of encryption. While the Clinton administration restricts the export of American encryption products, foreign encryption products are freely available, even on the Internet. This basically would allow American firms to compete fairly with other countries. Third, by encouraging American industry to use the best available encryption products, it would help industries protect their Internet communication from industrial espionage. It is backed by both business and privacy organizations. In the old days, one would say take pen in hand and write your congressman, asking him to vote for H.R. 580, the SAFE Act of 1999. Today, take computer keys in hand and send Congress an e-mail. There is always a conflict between liberty and security in the sense that people too zealous about security become willing to sacrifice liberty just to add another tool to the bad-guy-catching arsenal. Sensible Americans know that there other ways to catch bad guys without spying on the entire American population. That's why there is such bipartisan, even bi-ideological, support for this legislation. We don't need Big Brother snooping around inside our computers. H.R. 580 is perfectly complementary to the Bill of Rights. = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] anarchy leads to statism any way. This is like saying gravity lead to weightlesness. It does, if you go fast enough, far enough. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THIS is Interesting: Forbes Billionaires List (fwd)]
-Caveat Lector- MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Source: AP Online June 20, 1999; Sunday 14:42 Eastern Time Forbes List of World's Billionaires The ranking of the world's richest people as estimated by Forbes magazine, excluding dictators and royalty [added in further below]. Listings include name, home country, wealth in billions of dollars and source of wealth, where available. snip Do you realize how many of these billionaires have acquired their fortunes in just the past five years?? I haven't taken the time to count them, but there are at least a dozen in Internet services alone... And add in the news media barons, like Murdoch and Turner... They are, quite literally, *creating* money out of electrons. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Amelia Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note the part about 89% of journalists voting for Clinton. AKE - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The New Australian Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself? ... Remember: 89 per cent of Washington journalists voted for Clinton and everything he stands for, including the destruction of our military. What America needs is a moral revival and the media is a good place to start. Questions that come to mind: Where did that 89% statistic come from? What percentage of EDITORS [gatekeepers], not REPORTERS [newsserfs] "voted for Clinton and everything he stands for"? Are "Clinton" and "everything he stands for" identical? Could some have voted for Bill [I didn't] not because they liked "everything he stands for" but because they somehow perceived some difference between the nearly- identical platforms of Clinton-Bush [92] and Clinton-Dole [96]?? Do Americans mind that Australians are trying to interfere with US domestic politics? Are Australian media operating at such a high moral level that their journalists can preach about US media? [Hint: think "Rupert Murdoch"]. Doesn't anything printed in the NEW OZZIE constitute interference with US internal affairs? Should the U.S. bomb Melbourne to retaliate for this affront? Should we boycott/ embargo Foster's, slaughter zoo kangaroos, burn every Outback Steak- house and Aussie Fried Chicken franchise? Or should the CIA just destabilize and overthrow the Oz gov't? What's your preference? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] study the book The Keys to this Blood by Malachi Martin. Then the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as described in the post you are talking about. You may also benefit by reading Dark Majesty by Texe Marrs about the royalty links in the perpetuators of the NWO. The PROTOCOLS are a well-known forgery. Are the other publications you mentioned all bogus too? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I AM FROM THE MORMON PLANET KOLOB
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-13 12:38:34 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, isn't that *special*!! * Reality is whatever bites your ass * http://i.am/nutz * Alternatively, http://www.nin.com/poop. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself?
-Caveat Lector- Do Americans mind that Australians are trying to interfere with US domestic politics? Americans have certainly interfered plenty with Australian internal affairs. For details read Crimes of Patriots By Jonathan Kwitny. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THIS is Interesting: Forbes Billionaires List (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] The keyword here is "estimated." All wealth anonymously held in occult fashion -- including wealth held in numbered accounts by individuals, family trusts, secret societies, drug lords, gun and weapon dealers, slave traders, pornographers, etc. -- and their subsequent inheritors -- cannot be "estimated," and is therefore "off the books," and entirely omitted from Forbes' list. Why assume that anything Forbes publishes is even remotely accurate? Does Forbes have an interest in publishing the actual figures, when reporting on the wealth of his colleagues? And what makes you think that "drug lords" even exist - ALL you know about them is what has been published in the Conspiracy-controlled press. Lyndon LaRouche's organization maintains that British/Dutch royals control the bulk of the international narcotics trade - but you don't see the figures reflecting that in the Forbes list. Isn't it just as likely that Euro monarchs are the REAL "drug lords", that the Columbians et al who're cited in the press as running the coke/smack/etc trade are just false fronts, diversions to distract us from the REAL managers? Same goes with gun dealers - wouldn't the govt's that actually handle weapons manufacture/distribution/sales have an interest in hiding their role, in having "arms merchants" as false fronts? Same goes with porno/sex - much of the Asian trade is reportedly run by the Singaporean, Thai, Burmese, Chinese Malaysian govt's, who present pornographers pimps as false fronts to mask their activities in sex slavery. And on and on - how much of the licit illicit cash transfers/holdings actually involve govt's, not individuals, firms? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THIS is Interesting: Forbes Billionaires List ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-13 15:53:34 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you realize how many of these billionaires have acquired their fortunes in just the past five years?? I haven't taken the time to count them, but there are at least a dozen in Internet services alone... And add in the news media barons, like Murdoch and Turner... They are, quite literally, *creating* money out of electrons. Yesterday's newspaper cited this fact from the UN report on the disparity between the rich and poor: the paper value of the wealth of the world's richest people, measured in TRILLIONS in the aggregate, has DOUBLED during just the last FOUR YEARS. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-13 11:50:28 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit? I believe that a tax on stupidity --mandatory, not voluntary like the lottery-- would, almost instantly, pay off the national debt and provide a huge surplus for future generations. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THIS is Interesting: Forbes Billionaires List...
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THIS is Interesting: Forbes Billionaires List... Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 2:42 PM -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-13 15:53:34 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you realize how many of these billionaires have acquired their fortunes in just the past five years?? I haven't taken the time to count them, but there are at least a dozen in Internet services alone... And add in the news media barons, like Murdoch and Turner... They are, quite literally, *creating* money out of electrons. Yesterday's newspaper cited this fact from the UN report on the disparity between the rich and poor: the paper value of the wealth of the world's richest people, measured in TRILLIONS in the aggregate, has DOUBLED during just the last FOUR YEARS. Sounds like someone's plan is working... Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly StupidShit?
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly StupidShit? Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 2:51 PM -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-13 11:50:28 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit? I believe that a tax on stupidity --mandatory, not voluntary like the lottery-- would, almost instantly, pay off the national debt and provide a huge surplus for future generations. Now, would this be *surplus* as in the multi-trillion dollar surplus the House is eager to spend or would this be the real McCoy? Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pinochet Papers
-Caveat Lector- WSWS : News Analysis : South Central America Clinton's selective declassification Chile documents expose criminal role of US foreign policy By Bill Vann 13 July 1999 Back to screen version The Clinton administration's release of some 5,800 documents relating to the 1973 military coup in Chile has provided a glimpse of the murderous role of US foreign policy in Latin America and internationally. No major US newspaper or broadcast media outlet has conducted any serious examination of the documents. Outside of a few cursory news reports on the day of their release, the declassification has been treated by the American media as a non-event having to do with the distant history of a foreign land. The White House has itself asserted that its principal aim in declassifying the formerly secret material is to further the process of truth and reconciliation in Chile," as if the bloody events there 25 years ago had nothing to do with the activities of the US government outside of its innocent collection and storing of reams of cables, memoranda and secret intelligence reports on the carnage that took place there. In reality, the documentsthough clearly the most incriminating material remains locked in the secret archives of the CIA and the Pentagonshed significant light on Washington's crimes against the Chilean people. They further illuminate US complicity in the murder, torture and imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of workers, peasants, students and others seen as real or potential opponents of the military dictatorship and American interests. The Clinton administration initiated the release of the documents at the end of May largely as a damage-control operation. Mounting international attention has been focused on the Chilean events by the ongoing legal wrangling over Spain's demand for the extradition of the former dictator, General Augusto Pinochet, who is in British custody. Legal arguments over General Pinochet's crimes have inevitably touched upon Washington's involvement in the military coup that brought him to power in 1973 as well as in his subsequent reign of terror. With Pinochet's detention the White House also faced renewed demands from the families of Americans killed in the repression, including Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi, who were among those rounded up and executed in the National Stadium in Santiago. Whatever the motives of the White House, the thousands of documents chronicling Washington's role in organizing and supporting one of the most horrific bloodbaths of the twentieth century comprise an incontestable refutation of the democratic pretensions of US foreign policy. Coming at a time when the Clinton administration portrays its military intervention in the Balkans as a matter of the US standing up to the repression of a ruthless dictator, these papers confirm once again that US imperialism has not only defended its interests precisely through such regimes, but has served as their principal sponsor in Latin America and internationally. Significantly, the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), which had the most intimate involvement in the 1973 coup and the closest working relations with the Pinochet dictatorship's security apparatus, supplied only a fraction of the declassified material, just 490 documents between them. The lion's share came from the State Department and the rest from the Justice Department, the FBI and the presidential libraries of Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. Notwithstanding the extreme selectivity of the CIA in determining which of the massive number of documents on Chile were fit for release and its blacking out of incriminating material in even these files, this material still provides a glimpse of the intimate relations that existed between the agency and the butchers of the Chilean military. One declassified cable sent September 8, 1973 from the CIA's Santiago station to the Directorate of Operations in Washington spelled out in detail the plans for the coming coup. The name of the agency's informant was blacked out. According to this document, the Chilean Navy had decided to begin an action in Valparaiso ... to overthrow the Government of Salvador Allende and that the Air Force will support this initiative. It goes on to state that General Gustavo Leigh, the commander-in-chief of the Air Force, has made contact with Gen. Pinochet, commander-in-chief of the Army, who has told him that the Army will not oppose the Navy's action. The cable from the CIA's operatives in Chile said that their informant believes that the Army will join the coup after the Air Force supports the Navy. The cable concludes that the coup will take place on September 10 or at least during the week of Sept. 10. On that day, the CIA mission sent a new cable to Washington providing more specific information: The coup attempt will begin on Sept.
Re: [CTRL] More of the Barrage: AP: Extraterrestrial Life Sought (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's got to be DOZENS of these in the West's major news service wires EACH DAY lately!! And, most aren't just talking seriously about ET life being possibleTHEY'RE TALKING INTELLIGENT LIFE! Yes, of course, this is prep-prop - preparatory propaganda, meant to acclimatize humans for the public introduction of aliens into human society. It's a wide-ranging campaign, involving journalism and entertainment, all the media in the world. There have been a number of such campaigns: MR.ED on TV and the FRANCIS films, to prepare us for talking equines; BEWITCHED, I DREAM OF GENIE and a whole slew of similar fare, to prepare us for witches/warlocks; The ELVIS LIVES campaign, to prepare us for revivification; BARNEY and JURASSIC PARK, to prepare us for revived dinosaurs. The list goes on and on. Anything *different* is prep-prop. Then there's the Internet itself, to prepare us for being wired physically into a meta-human computational community, each 'mind' being just another cog in the Great Machine, like ants in a colony - group-mind, the Next Step in directed human evolution. SETI@home is the latest stage of this plot, to involve everybody in communal activity. Do you think your computer is REALLY just number-crunching for SETI whilst you're away from the keyboard? Of COURSE not. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I'm a god too!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does the fact that my list, [EMAIL PROTECTED], does very little activity mean that my godly status is diminished, or does the fact that my Yahoo Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/threetenors is hopping make up for it? You're a god - figure it out! [Hint: never show weakness, or they'll tear you to shreds and devour you.] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THIS is Interesting: Forbes Billionaires List (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ranking of the world's richest people as estimated by Forbes magazine, excluding dictators and royalty [added in further below]. Listings include name, home country, wealth in billions of dollars and source of wealth, where available. Do you realize how many of these billionaires have acquired their fortunes in just the past five years?? I haven't taken the time to count them, but there are at least a dozen in Internet services alone... And add in the news media barons, like Murdoch and Turner... They are, quite literally, *creating* money out of electrons. Or, out of stocks and options. For instance, Bill Gates doesn't have US$100 bln laying about; rather, he holds a majority of the shares of MS stock that were issued when he started the company, and some small percentage of the remaining shares now trade at such a price, that his shares are COMPUTED to be worth US$100 bln [give or take a few bill, fluctuating daily.] Same with other dot-coms and media-magnates - were they to cash-in their shares, they'd provoke a panic that'd drop the perceived values by 90%. So, the basis of their wealth is precisely the same as the basis of all commercial valuations - someone/something is worth about what you THINK they're worth. I think Fuji apples are worth the 59 cents per pound CostCo charges; somebody else thinks they're worth the 99 cents that SafeWay charges; we're both right, in our contexts. I think Bill Gates is worth jackshit; somebody else thinks he's worth 100 bill; we're both right, in context. So, people don't create *money* out of electrons, they create *perceptions*. It's bankers who create *money*, by lending more than they have on deposit - but that's another issue, eh? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Time Magazine is conducting a poll regarding Hillary
-Caveat Lector- Time Magazine is conducting a poll regarding Hillary which is at: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/polls/hillarypoll.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] More of the Barrage: AP: Extraterrestrial Life Sought (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Ric Carter wrote: - Original Message - From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's got to be DOZENS of these in the West's major news service wires EACH DAY lately!! And, most aren't just talking seriously about ET life being possibleTHEY'RE TALKING INTELLIGENT LIFE! Yes, of course, this is prep-prop - preparatory propaganda, meant to acclimatize humans for the public introduction of aliens into human society. It's a wide-ranging campaign, involving journalism and entertainment, all the media in the world. There have been a number of such campaigns: You mean "prep-prop-sterous?" I think the "prep-prop" is more aimed at causing the desired reactions from the masses upon them seeing what ever it is that we will see (Allah in some of the world's regions, YHVH in others, ET MOTHER SHIPS HERE) when Project Blue Beam is used on [against] us. = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] The Bankster's Game Plan!? American death camps
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Alan DeWalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 14 July 1999 10:27 Subject: [TheEagle-L] The Bankster's Game Plan!? Hi Eagles; It appears as if the mega-bankers are running SCARED. The main reason: the Millennium conversion will loose so many forces which could prove detrimental to their economic pyramid system that 'they' fear a potential collapse of the U.S. economy. So how do those on Wall Street [CFR, Federal Reserve, IRS, Trilaterals, IMF, Bildebergers, etc.] plan to keep their financial empires in tact in the face of total economic collapse? Easy, America is to be "downsized" to the extreme. As it stands, 5 percent of the financial elite own over 80 percent of the wealth. Their plan is to literally create a slave-state where Americans will be forced to endure slave labor from cradle to grave in order to maintain the luxurious lifestyles of the super-wealthy. Thess banksters literally plan to eliminate all "competition". We must understand however that these are their PLANS, which means that collective human will [and hopefully a good deal of Divine Intervention] might frustrate and minimize these plans, since nothing is set in stone. WE literally decide our future, on an individual and collective level. However the wise person is one who prepares for ALL probabilities... The sad fact is that millions are playing right into the hands of the 'elite' in that the nations of the earth have become INDEBTED to the bankers via massive loans which will probably never be paid back because of the equally massive 'interest', and thus the national resources and sovereignty aquired as 'collateral' is destroying the independence of these nations day by day. Solomon said that the debtor becomes a servent of the lender, and so when the false economy we live under crashes to the bottom what do you think the bankers will do? They will send out their "collection agents" to require reimbursement from ALL of those who live in luxury today by BORROWING/MORTGAGING years into their future. And believe me, they have the paramilitary forces, bought and paid for, necessary to enforce their plans. So unless you wish to spend the rest of your life in a work camp [or worse] paying off your DEBTS, I would suggest that you become DEBT FREE now! Especially if what the following high-ranking National Guardsman has to say is true... Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:13:38 EST Subject: More about American Death Camps Dear Civilians, Patriots, and Veterans: Seems like most people are still not believing what is going on even when you tell them and prove it to them. Date: 3/17/99 9:23:25 PM Pacific Standard Time American Death Camps by Samuel Foster We live in strange times. Suffice it to say I am a captain (not my actual rank, but at least that) in the National Guard; but I can't tell you which state, as that information surely will be the quick road to my demise. I have faithfully served my country in Desert Storm and Panama, both events having nothing to do with the National Security safety of this Great Country of ours. My wife has the same disease I have, and the doctors are still telling me I have the flue. Does a flue last eight years? We'll get to that later. We both are under the age of forty, but we no longer look young. Nothing can change my mind that my superiors-so-called officers and gentlemen-have murdered us. One of my duties requires me to train through rotation with other units, the ongoing guard staff of various clandestine Prisons many Americans that over-sight committees do not know exist. These prisons, or "camps" as we call them, were built for no other purpose than for the common American taxpayer. I know. I helped build three of them. Somewhere along the way, I have lost my soul in the process. I know for a fact that this government of ours plans to turn America into a wasteland of proportions that stagger any imagination. It is the Pentagon and Wall Street's ambition to create no less than a slave state by the year 2001. They will do it too-with the media's help-because in many ways, they have already succeeded in destroying our civil liberties and making the middle-class an ancient idea. How can I say these things? From where do I speak? A few years ago, I was called to a meeting in Fort Mead to join the augmenting of a unit which would report directly to FEMA in the event of national disaster. Did we discuss earthquakes, tornadoes, or flooding? Not on your life. After obtaining several new written security clearances and after having signed no less than eleven documents-all giving away my life and liberty should I ever speak out-I was let in on the following plan. Before giving out the structure of this plan, I beg anyone who reads this document to share with as many people as possible what I consider our last, best chance to reverse the horrible course this country
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. Excellent essay. Well said. Kudos! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly StupidShit?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit? I believe that a tax on stupidity --mandatory, not voluntary like the lottery-- would, almost instantly, pay off the national debt and provide a huge surplus for future generations. Now, would this be *surplus* as in the multi-trillion dollar surplus the House is eager to spend or would this be the real McCoy? That depends on how stupid polticios and the public both actually are, and how stupid each thinks the other is. Remember, 'freedom' includes the freedom to be an idiot; to maximize a tax on stupidity, gov't should actively ENCOURAGE idiocy, like maybe by subsidizing astrologers. Hey, there's a point of attack: the stupidity tax would apply to all products of the paranormal, NewAge, religion, gambling and videogame industries. Don't just tax dumb behavior, impose a levee on products and services that only a moron would buy. Most everything on QVC, for instance. And UFOlogy... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd [TheEagle-L] Full Text---December 7, 1999: Pearl harbor II
-Caveat Lector- From: Mike Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Full Text---December 7, 1999: Pearl harbor II Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) I posted a link to this info earlier, but here is the full article. R., Below is an article I ran across while scurrying around on the net. It details a 13-week period of planned crises beginning Dec. 6, and involving a U.S. "provoked" confrontation on the Korean peninsula. It was posted under a pseudonym, so I can't vouch for the source; pretty alarming and well-informed content, though. Your call as to whether to pass it on ---the URL is at the bottom of the message. Best, Mike-F4 ___ DECEMBER 7, 1999: PEARL HARBOR II? Posted by "Quixote" 7/12/99 @ 20:57:25: "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it." The following is a speculation, but it is informed speculation. As I stated before, a series of crises are slated to begin December 6, 1999. I think one of the first of these will be war on the Korean Peninsula, a war that will embroil the U.S. and lure the remainder of our troops out of the country (in preparation for future crises) and tie up our forces in the Korean theater. Historical Background: Japan attacked the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Contrary to the official line, this attack was provoked and it was not a surprise. Read http://www.clinton.net/~mewilley/pearl.html and users.deltanet.com/~dericker/FDR%D5s%20Day%20of% Treason.htm for more details. I believe that unless preventative action is taken, something similar may happen to the U.S. Pacific fleet precisely 58 years after this attack (note 5+8=13, and 58's factors are 2 and 29, and 2+2+9=13, a number of occult significance to the people who are planning these crises). This new attack would be launched by North Korea, and would also be provoked and no surprise. The proof that it will not be a surprise is that it I have warned you about it nearly 5 months beforehand. North Korea has recently benn developing advanced missile designs. A while back they test-fired a missile over Japanese airspace, and they are planning to test a missile soon that will be capable of striking the U.S. Snip In any event, they already have missiles that are capable of striking Japan and Hawaii. |Very recently, the U.S. provoked North Korea by sending a battle group including the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Constellation to Pusan, South Korea . North Korea accused the U.S. and South Korea of trying to antagonize it and drag it into a war. North Korea has been massing over 2 million troops along the edge of the DMZ, probably in preparation for a ground invasion of South Korea. The Korean War of 1950-53 never really ended; the two Koreas have been in a mutual state of war for nearly 50 years and are operating under an armistice that can break down at any time. North Korea is quickly running out of food and will not be able to feed both its military and civilian populations for much longer. The South has food, and a war would also mean that every soldier killed would not have to be fed. North Korea will likely run out of food this winter and will be forced to invade South Korea even if its leaders did not want to. Expect further provocative acts from the U.S. in the coming months that will parallell the provocations against Japan in the summer of 1941 and will serve as a warning sign. These actions include, but are not limited to: -shows of military force, like the recent one in Pusan -a freeze of all North Korean assets in the U.S. -a trade war/embargo against North Korea -international condemnation of North Korea by the "West" (led by the U.S.) -diplomatic snubs of North Korea by the U.S. There is only one thing standing in the way of North Korea's invasion of South Korea, and that is the United States Navy's Pacific Fleet. North Korea would have to neutralize the fleet prior to its attack on South Korea. Otherwise, our Navy will make minced meat out of them and they know it. http://www.cpf.navy.mil/organization/organization.htm is the URL of the United States Navy's Pacific Fleet's Organization. This information is available to the general public and anyone can go there and read it, even someone in North Korea. (Of course we have certain more esoteric countermeasures if things get too out of hand-ed., F4) This page states that the Third Fleet operates out of San Diego, CA. and that the Seventh Fleet operates out of Yokosuka, Japan. We also still have a Naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. North Kore could alunch a preemptiv first strike against our naval forces in port prior to or simultaneous with an invasion of South Korea. North Korea could not do this wiht naval or air power, as its forces are very weak in these areas compared to Japan in 1941. However North Korea has nuclear weapons, which Japan only dreamed of having. North knows that an attack on South would mean war with
[CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- From www.iwf.com Picture Picture: The Women's Quarterly Logo - --- By Camille Paglia Picture Interview: I Told You So! I Told You So! Camille Paglia sounds off to TWQ editor Charlotte Hays about the feminist establishment, the Clinton scandals, and why Gloria Steinem is out of touch TWQ: The first question I want to ask you is about Monica. Is she a vixen or a victim? Did she get what she wanted? PAGLIA: Well, Monica Lewinsky herself bores me silly because she is a kind of a prototype of a narcissistic and spoiled American girl that I have been seeing develop over the last twenty-five years as a teacher--not at my school, the University of the Arts, where most people don't have those kinds of economic advantages. But I certainly saw this coming from my first job at Bennington College and later as a visiting instructor at Wesleyan and Yale. And I have been warning about this for years and saying that we are raising up a whole generation of young people who are completely removed from any sense of the outside world. To me, the most damaging thing Monica did to herself was her response to Barbara Walters' early question: "When you went to the White House as an intern, were you interested in politics?" And Monica Lewinsky is so shallow and her family is so shallow that she said, "No, not at all,"-and in a very high and superficial voice that you would use having a drink off Rodeo Drive or something. I was just amazed at that! Our educational system at the primary and secondary level is so flawed that we have girls who would go to the White House as a tremendous career opportunity for themselves and come out of that experience in Washington undented by any sense of wider political or historical realities. TWQ: What would you advise her to do? PAGLIA: I would advise Monica Lewinsky to get the hell off the public stage before she damages the cause of women any further. TWQ: What has been her impact on the establishment feminist movement? PAGLIA: Ohhh, I have been in hog heaven over that! Never, never did I dream that Gloria Steinem would shoot herself in every one of her eight feet-but she did over Monica Lewinsky! Christina Hoff Sommers was an early warrior in this battle, and we were together in all of this in the early 1990s. And now, of course, a horde of other women have come onto the scene, and we no longer have to take all the abuse. Christina and I have for years tried to get people to see that the feminist establishment did not speak for all women. In fact, I'm the one who coined the term "feminist establishment." When I went out on my first publicity tour after Sexual Personae and in my early articles in 1990, 1991, 1992, I drilled that phrase in every interview. I kept on saying, "feminist establishment, feminist establishment"-to try to drive that wedge into media consciousness and to make them understand that the leaders of the feminist organizations based in Washington and New York not only did not speak for all women but they did not speak for all feminists either. They were as divorced from the actual historical currents within feminism as the leaders of the Communist Party were in the Politburo or the more recent Soviet Union, where they were living like the dukes of the Romanovs. At any rate, year by year, my campaign to portray--correctly portray--the feminist leaders as out of touch with women has really succeeded-and they helped me enormously! I feel that my record, in terms of my feminist responses to the various sexual scandals from the early 1990s, is now being proved to have been the correct one. In 1986, for heaven's sake, in my own university, I lobbied for the adoption of moderate sexual harassment guidelines, but at the same time I felt there was a fascist extremism in feminism coming out of Catharine MacKinnon that was pushing these things toward authoritarian extremes that I, as a libertarian, could not support. And so in 1991, I was the only feminist out there who was attacking Anita Hill! One week into those hearings, I wrote a piece for the Philadelphia Inquirer that begins, "Anita Hill is no feminist heroine." And I felt Clarence Thomas was quite right: He was the victim of a high-tech lynching. Then when Paula Jones came along in 1994, I was the only feminist immediately out there saying, "I find her case credible." I was on the "Larry King Show" in May 1994--that transcript is in my book, Vamps Tramps. I went against Eleanor Smeal, who was saying, "This is just a put-up job by the right wing,"--the same thing Hillary tried all last year. And I said, "Oh, really? Well, Anita Hill's case was a put-up job by the feminist establishment." It's comical the mess that Steinem made over Monica Lewinsky, but the real hypocrisy was in the Paula Jones case in 1994. If in fact the feminist
[CTRL] No Lessons
-Caveat Lector- Via NewRepublic Kosovo no War, no Foreign Affairs News Keywords: KOSOVO, Source: Anchorage Daily News Published: July 2, 1999 Author: George C. Wilson Posted on 07/12/1999 18:19:25 PDT by rollin Anchorage Daily News July 2, 1999 No War, No Lessons After Kosovo, Stevens Says By George C. Wilson, Legi-Slate News Service Washington -- There are no military lessons to be learned from NATO's bombing campaign against Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic because it was not a war at all, Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, said Thursday. The World War II bomber pilot told defense reporters over breakfast that "we never had an engagement" with the Yugoslav military. "They never came to war with us," Stevens said. "We just bombed the hell out of them until they signed an agreement. "We had 780 million people (in the NATO alliance) attacking 20 million people, and they finally came to their knees after (NAT0 forces) bombed for four months. What's the precedent out of that? There's no precedent out of that. I don't see it having any relationship to the ability of the Army on the ground in a war. "We never fought anybody there" in the Balkans over Kosovo, "not even their planes," he said. "This was just a bombing campaign until we bombed them into submission. And I guess if you can find another country that was located like Serbia was -- where it was completely surrounded by people friendly to us -- where we had free access to it all the time, I guess we could bomb anyone into submission if you wanted to take on that task. "But defeating 20 million people the way we defeated them," Stevens continued, "I don't think that's something we should go around holding our head high in the air (about) and saying we're superior" because "we ended the war by the air. The war never started. "I think it's an anomaly," Stevens said of the air war against Milosevic. "I don't think it's a lesson at all." Stevens' remarks came against a backdrop of postwar audits by Air Force generals who have emphasized in recent closed-door meetings, that their bombing campaign, while highly professional, was no cause for gloating, participants told LEGI-SLATE News Service. The bombing wore out air crews and aircraft and used up the inventory of smart weapons that will cost billions to replenish, the generals said. The strain of the Kosovo bombing campaign has compelled Air Force leaders to focus on what they call "reconstitution" -- curing the downsized service of ills inflicted by such sudden and intense deployments as those to the Balkans. One ill is the stress imposed on Air Force families whose unhappiness often prompts airmen to quit the service. The Air Force is now critically short of pilots and is looking for additional ways to stem the exodus. Stevens recalled that airmen based in Aviano, Italy, expressed much less enthusiasm to him about bombing Yugoslavia than attacking the Iraqi military during the Persian Gulf War of 1990-91. In giving his views on a wide range of other military matters, Stevens made these points: * The Army. It should be enlarged beyond its projected active-duty strength of 480,000 and a "portion" of it should be trained in peacekeeping since that mission predominates these days, he said. Stevens said the Army trains its volunteers "to be warriors, and we end up putting them at intersections at Haiti, the Balkans, Kuwait and now Kosovo. Let's train some people to be peacekeepers in the sense of being able to carry light arms and be able to defend themselves and be on the streets of Kosovo, Bosnia, Haiti and wherever the hell they want to put peacekeepers." Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, the newly sworn-in Army Chief of Staff, said at his first news conference on June 23 that 480,000 "may not be enough" people to carry out the Army's missions. He said he would withhold final judgment until a manpower study in completed. Other Army leaders have warned that enlarging the Army would put an extra burden on recruiters who already have trouble signing up enough volunteers to fill the ranks. * China. "I really don't look at China as a threat to the United States" in the sense of it stealing our most vital secrets through spying, Stevens said. "I served in China in World War II. I've been back there many times. I think the bulk of Chinese people look at us as friends. We've got to wait out another generational change" in China's top leadership to achieve better harmony," he said. "There's a substrata coming together of younger people in the Peoples Republic of China and Taiwan. And if you want to look at the industrial base, a great portion of the industrial base for Taiwan is on the mainland. This means to me that if we stop worrying about these guys who are rattling cages and look at the bulk of the population and where it's going, we can have a great bond of friendship
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- I wrote: "anarchy leads to statism any way." To which Nessie wrote: "This is like saying gravity lead to weightlessness." In a free fall one IS weightless. What I meant was...without government criminal gangs come to power and later after one gang conquers the rest they become the "government". DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: 07-13-99: ACLU News -- Gruesome Florida Execution, DN
IN THE ACLU NEWSROOM **The Latest News Can Always Be Found At:** http://www.aclu.org/news/pressind.html * Upholding Free Speech Rights of the Unpopular, Idaho Court Allows Aryan Nations to March * ACLU Calls for Moratorium After Gruesome Electric Chair Execution * NYCLU Applauds Appointment of Applicants 35 and Older to New York Police Academy * Settlement Reached in ACLU's Class-Action Lawsuit Alleging Inadequacy of CT Public Defender System * ACLU and Indian Rights Group Seek to Secure Voting Rights for Montana's Native Americans * ACLU Urges Attorney General to Adopt Panel's Opposition to Mass DNA Testing * ACLU of Ohio Sues to Prevent State From Censoring Last Words of Death Row Prisoners * Other Recent ACLU Press Releases - Upholding Free Speech Rights of the Unpopular, Idaho Court Allows Aryan Nations to March FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, July 9, 1999 COEUR D'ALENE, ID -- A Federal Court today ordered the City of Coeur d'Alene to grant the Aryan Nations a parade permit allowing them to march through the city's downtown area tomorrow. The American Civil Liberties Union of Idaho had requested the court order on behalf of the group, claiming that the city had denied the parade route request for content-based reasons, and that such denial was an unconstitutional prior restraint of speech. In its order, Chief U.S. District Judge Edward J. Lodge agreed with the ACLU's argument that "the selection of the Ramsey Road parade route solely for the [Aryan Nations] parade is not a content-neutral application of the parade permit ordinance." The Court also said that the City's reasons for re-routing the parade were "pretextual," and that there was no evidence to suggest a "'clear and present danger' associated with the [Aryan Nation's] parade request." "The re-routing of the parade does not provide adequate channels of communication for the [Aryan Nations]," the Court said, "and removes the parade from the intended audience in potential violation of the First Amendment." Jack Van Valkenburgh, Executive Director of the ACLU of Idaho, said he was pleased with the Court's decision, and trusted that the public would not confuse the ACLU's defense of the right to speak with any defense of the Aryans' message. "'I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it' is a quote attributed to Voltaire," he said. "Well, if Voltaire were alive today, I think he would be proud of the ACLU." "The ACLU believes that the right to utter unpopular political speech -- on terms equal to the right to utter popular political speech -- is as fundamental to our American freedoms as any right, whether realized or imagined," he concluded. ACLU cooperating attorneys Harold B. Smith of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and Dawn Reynolds of Pullman, Washington, represented Richard Butler, on behalf of the Aryan Nations Substantial assistance was also provided by Elizabeth Brandt of Moscow. - ACLU Calls for Moratorium After Gruesome Electric Chair Execution FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, July 8, 1999 MIAMI -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida today called on Gov. Jeb Bush to halt all executions until officials can ensure that they can be conducted humanely and until greater fairness and due process in the imposition of death sentences can be assured. The ACLU's call for a moratorium comes after the bloody electric chair execution of inmate Allen Lee "Tiny" Davis at 7:10 a.m. this morning. Davis was executed for the brutal slayings of 37 year old Nancy Weiler and her two daughters in 1982. According to news reports and eyewitness accounts, blood poured from his mouth and oozed from his chest as Davis was hit with 2,300 volts. Davis was the first prisoner to be executed in the electric chair that replaced an earlier version of "Old Sparky." The replacement of the chair stemmed in part from reaction to a 1997 incident in which flames shot from the head of Pedro Molina as he was electrocuted. The ACLU said it is calling for a moratorium to open public debate not only about the method of execution in Florida but also, in light of the arbitrariness of the imposition of death sentences, whether the people of Florida are well served and made any safer by the death penalty. "Capital punishment is an intolerable denial of civil liberties and is inconsistent with the fundamental values of our democratic system," said Howard Simon, Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida. "Criminals no doubt deserve to be punished, and the severity of the punishment should be appropriate to their culpability. But Florida's record of executions, and the Legislature's obsession with electrocution as the method of execution, has been barbaric." In February 1997, the American Bar Association
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- Who REALLY cares what Camille Paglia says about anything This butt ugly dyke, self-absorbed and a total media fabrication, has about as much ground to stand on as Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas on the issue of civil rights Who cares about Camille??? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ukraine-Back in the USSR??? -The Economist.
-Caveat Lector- EUROPE Ukraine Grim choices K I E V Search archive NEARLY eight years after independence from the Soviet Union, many of the candidates in Ukraines presidential election, due in October, say they want to go back, more or less, to the old days. And at least three out of the seven most serious say they want to recreate the Soviet Union in one guise or anotherwith Ukraine inside it. Even candidates who claim to want reform, President Leonid Kuchma included, hark back to the Soviet Union in other respects. Mr Kuchmas heavy-handed tactics smack of the era when a vote of 99% in favour of the incumbent was pretty average. Ukraine must follow the European road, he said recently. Changing the president would mean changing the political course: I have no right to let that happen. Hardly the spirit of democracy. Certainly, if various of the proclamations by other candidates are to be believed, Ukraine would veer sharply in another direction under several of Mr Kuchmas rivals. Parliaments speaker, for instance, Oleksandr Tkachenko, has been full of enthusiasm for the (so far mainly theoretical) reunion of Russia and Belarus, clearly implying that Ukraine should join it. Piotr Simonenko, head of Ukraines Communist Party and another candidate for president, favours that three-country link too. Natalia Vitrenko, running for the Progressive Socialist Party, wants the entire Soviet Union put back together. Each of these three old-guard candidates is well up with Mr Kuchma in the opinion polls. An analyst at the East-West Centre, a think-tank in Kiev, sayswith some justificationthat the forthcoming election could decide whether Ukraine has a future as an independent state. The back-to-the-Soviet Union candidates certainly have supporters, especially in Ukraines east and south, where ethnic Russians (numbering about 10m out of Ukraines 50m people) and Ukrainians with old-left sympathies are most numerous. In 1991, even they voted for independence, thinking that Ukraine was being exploited by the rest of the Soviet Union and that independence would bring prosperity. Eight years on, GDP has fallen by two-thirds. Easterners are particularly despondent. NATOs war over Kosovo has also helped set Ukrainian minds against the West. Though the Socialist Partys Oleksandr Moroz, a former speaker of parliament, is casting himself as a Scandinavian type of social democrat (albeit with the expectation of winning a lot of communist votes), the prevailing mood may also prod him into pandering to nostalgia for the Soviet Union. Of the wily old operators, Mr Kuchma apart, only Yevhen Marchuk, a former KGB boss for Ukraine, is still clearly pro-western. In his determination to fight back, Mr Kuchma is playing dirty. Last month the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), which tries, among other things, to encourage democratic habits, said his tactics could harm Ukraines relations with western institutions. Some of the presidents men have told television bosses that, if they give presidential challengers air-time, they may lose their licences or find that advertisers withdraw their business. The electoral commission has been helping the president, too. For example, it made life hard for Mr Moroz by stalling for a month over whether it would hand his party the forms it needed to get the minimum 1m voters signatures entitling him to run. Were facing a deliberate, planned campaign to stop me taking part in the election, complains Mr Moroz, who says some of his partys buildings have been set on fire and his supporters attacked. Recent events in Donetsk, the coal-mining area in the east that is a hotbed of anti-Kuchma feeling and happens also to be the countrys most populous region, have been particularly murky. Ivan Ponomarev, the head of the regions assembly and an enemy of Mr Kuchmas, mysteriously resigned in May. The chief beneficiary has been Viktor Yanukovich, the regions governor and one of the presidents friends. Despite a constitutional bar against one person being both governor and head of the regional assembly, Mr Yanukovich now has both jobs. More important, his new one should give him unimpeded oversight of the conduct of the election. The regional assembly is in charge of electoral procedure and, among other things, vote-counting. The outlook for the West (and particularly for the United States, which has set great store on Ukraines independence and future prosperity) is bleak. Not only do several presidential candidates with a chance of winning want to rebuild the Soviet Union, but the man most determined to point Ukraine westwards, Mr Kuchma, looks like resorting to highly undemocratic tactics to achieve the aim which the West, broadly, endorses. Bodies such as the OSCE are, to put it mildly, embarrassed. The Council of Europe, which monitors human rights across the continent and has among its members all but the very nastiest countries
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: "Do you personally need the gun and the club to keep you in line?" No, we need the gun and the club to keep criminals in line. All government means is organized defense. We have organized food production so that one doesn't have to grow one's own food, otherwise we'd be compelled to defend ourselves without any objectivity. "Or do you behave like a decent human being because that's what you are?" Yes and even if every one did behave as such we'd still need an organized defense agency if only to arbitrate honest disagreements. We both know that crime will always be with us, though. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A REAL conspiracy-For-profit health insurance.
-Caveat Lector- Babies die, mothers arrested U.S. health care and 'criminal negligence' By Deirdre Griswold New York The case of Tabitha Walrond, who is to be sentenced for "criminally negligent homicide" in the death of her infant son Tyler, brings into sharp focus the criminal negligence built into the U.S. health-care system. Tyler died after he and his 19-year-old mother were turned away from a New York clinic when she couldn't produce his Medicaid card. It arrived in the mail weeks after his death. He died because his mother, on the advice of doctors, had tried to breast-feed him but wasn't able to produce the necessary milk and never had a chance to find out what was wrong. Walrond's case has many similarities to that of Tatiana Cheeks, who was arrested in 1998 after her five-week-old daughter died of starvation. She also had been unable to successfully breast-feed the infant and had been turned away from a Brooklyn clinic because she had neither a Medicaid card nor the $25 required for a checkup for her baby. For most babies, breast milk is the best source of nourishment and in addition provides temporary immunity to diseases. In both cases, New York State's policy on paper is that a baby is covered for the first year of its life by its mother's Medicaid card. But the facilities supposed to serve the poor obviously violate this policy. Tabitha Walrond has been treated as a criminal to cover up the criminality of the profit system that has made access to health care unavailable for tens of millions of people in this wealthy country. If you're poor and depend on Medicaid, you have to fight for health care. You have to find out from others like yourself how to get past the red tape, how to deal with all the problems and errors that crop up to knock you out of the system. You're on your own against a bureaucracy that is rewarded for getting rid of you. If you're a person of color, like both Walrond and Cheeks, you can also face racist hostility. There are about 32 million people on Medicaid. Some 48 million more--and it's a growing number--have no medical coverage at all. Some have been cut from welfare and, with it, health coverage. Others are workers who can't get jobs with benefits because of several decades of reactionary restructuring of industry and union busting. But the health-care crisis also extends to workers who can't afford the high premiums now demanded for many medical insurance plans; seniors who are only partially covered by Medicare; and everyone who can't afford the expensive new medications prescribed by many doctors. What can be done about the health-care disaster? Has medical care just become too expensive? Is it impossible to have quality health care for all? Anyone who thinks that way should study the Cuban health-care system. If they truly care about the way all people are treated--and not just the elite few who can afford to buy the best coverage--they will be astounded by Cuba's success. One objective measure of this success is Cuba's infant mortality rate--7.1 per thousand live births, and still dropping. The world average is 59. Another measure is the ratio of doctors per inhabitant. Cuba's is the best in the world. It has 64,000 doctors, or one for every 170 people. For a developing country, this is an excellent achievement. For a country that has been blockaded for 40 years, it is phenomenal. Cuba has achieved this with a system that puts a doctor in every neighborhood and workplace. They call it an "integral community health program." Some 30,000 of Cuba's doctors work in community health clinics that put the emphasis on prevention. Everyone in Cuba has a personal physician through this system. The health workers live in the communities they serve. They don't wait for a sick person to come see them. They follow up and make sure that newborns get their shots, seniors receive proper care, everyone gets regular checkups. Cuban doctors--2,500 of them--are also helping 50 Third World countries. Eighteen Cuban medical brigades are currently in Guatemala, where they have treated 200,000 people affected by Hurricane Mitch. The numbers of Cuban doctors working in Haiti--400--and of Haitian students enrolled in medicine school in Cuba--123--are both about to be doubled. The corporate media here say repeatedly that socialism has "failed" and that Cuba is repressive. But Tabitha Walrond and Tatiana Cheeks lost their babies and their freedom in New York, not Havana. It's the profit system that has failed by creating a glittering high-tech world that is completely out of reach for an ever-growing part of the population. - END - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor
[CTRL] Grand Tour Earth Saucers and Star Wars by Richard Boylan (http://www.jps.net/drboylan/GranTour.htm)
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[CTRL] Fw: [CAUS updates] - Crop Circle Report--Dutch Eyewitness
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 13 July 1999 22:34 Subject: [CAUS updates] - Crop Circle Report--Dutch Eyewitness Dear CAUS Members; On this Tuesday, CAUS shares with you an interesting report about the most logical and realistic form of contact between intelligent speciespictures. These worldwide planetary pictograms created on the surface of the planet for all of us to see and hopefully understand appear to be an obvious attempt at contact from an intelligence that understands the art of interspecies communication. Fascinating that people more intelligent than I continue to ridicule and debunk these mysterious messages. CAUS thanks Ron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for this report: Dutch eyewitness says two crop circles created by pink-purple light. 6/9/99 Hoeven, Holland - I have received a report from Europe about an extraordinary event: an eyewitness to the creation of two crop circles in Hoeven, a southern Holland farm community about 90 minutes from Amsterdam. It was early Monday morning, June 7th at about 12:15 am. This is the first formation in Holland this year. A 19-year-old named Robert woke up and felt compelled to look out his bedroom window. What happened next was phoned to me by Nancy Talbot, director of the BLT crop circle research team in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Nancy has worked with biophysicist W.C. Revenged in Michigan for the past several years to analyze plants from formations in Europe, Israel, Australia, Canada and the U.S. Levengood hypothesizes that plants in some sampled formations were affected by a spinning plasma vortex that contains microwave energies. The microwaves heat plant cells, softening and collapsing the stems into the fluid patterns we have come to associate with genuinely mysterious formations. But Levengood does not know the source of the spinning plasma vortex. This eyewitness in Holland has now seen two different phenomena associated with the creation of fresh formations which suggests there might be different mechanisms for different patterns. Interview: Nancy Talbot, director, BLT crop circle research team, Cambridge, Massachusetts: "This is in southern Holland - and it's concerning again this boy, Robert, who has the ability somehow to know when these things are getting ready to happen and who has been in the middle of a formation when it occurred - this was a couple of years ago. And subsequently, there has been a lot of crop circle activity around where he lives. And Sunday night - actually for several days - the entire weekend, he was having these anxiety feelings that he gets, pacing back and forth, feeling unwell physically which is a phenomenon that occurs prior to one of these situations. And his parents insisted that he go to bed finally Sunday evening, which he did. They in fact checked on him before they went to bed and he was sound asleep. But what happened is that at 12:15, he woke up and knew to go to the window. He opened the curtains and looked out. His window overlooks this little garden out back and this huge farm field which is directly behind their garden. And what he saw is just incredible! He describes a small, misty, pinkish-purple light - not a sphere, more football shaped - and a little bit smaller than a football, which was coming in over the field at a height of about 10 feet, maybe 12 feet over the field from quite a distance away. It's quite an enormous field. He watched it as it came closer and closer and closer to this spot that is about 50 meters behind his house. And this is where one of the snow circles occurred a couple of years ago. There was a circle in mustard seed there last spring. He's had a couple of circles in other crops in that general area. came right back to this area and stopped - the word he used was "hanging" - just stopped in the air and hung over this spot. Then, it started to elongate, spread out is the easiest way to describe it - and it apparently spread out and spread out becoming thinner and thinner looking like a disc, was then how he described it. When it was about 30 feet in diameter, again, still hanging there - not moving at all except for this expanding motion - then he observed what he calls (Nancy makes sh, sh, sh sound) in Dutch for electrical discharge. He and I have these signals we give back and forth because he doesn't speak English too well and I don't speak Dutch at all. And what he means is that he watched electrical discharges coming from the underside of this disc-shaped, misty, pinkish-purple cloud or ball of light for -- I would gather -- it sounded like six or seven, eight, maybe ten seconds immediately over the field. Then the light phenomenon simply dissipated, was gone. he was very excited, threw on some clothes and went running out the back and squeaked through the hedge and into the field and lo' and behold, right smack where that thing had been was a 30 foot
Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself?
-Caveat Lector- Ric, That statistic may have come from the survey taken by MSNBC News. I remember the survey but not the exact percentage. That seems about right. No retaliation required against the folks from downunder for their affront. They seem to have their hands full with their own loss of personal freedoms. If you feel you must protest, maybe you could protest Quantas airlines safety record, ban Crocodile Dundee video showings and also that shampoo line "Aussie's" in addition to having the CIA overthrow their government. Don't hold back! Amelia - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: SNET: [piml] Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself? -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Amelia Edgeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note the part about 89% of journalists voting for Clinton. AKE - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The New Australian Clinton and 1922: Is History Repeating Itself? ... Remember: 89 per cent of Washington journalists voted for Clinton and everything he stands for, including the destruction of our military. What America needs is a moral revival and the media is a good place to start. Questions that come to mind: Where did that 89% statistic come from? What percentage of EDITORS [gatekeepers], not REPORTERS [newsserfs] "voted for Clinton and everything he stands for"? Are "Clinton" and "everything he stands for" identical? Could some have voted for Bill [I didn't] not because they liked "everything he stands for" but because they somehow perceived some difference between the nearly- identical platforms of Clinton-Bush [92] and Clinton-Dole [96]?? Do Americans mind that Australians are trying to interfere with US domestic politics? Are Australian media operating at such a high moral level that their journalists can preach about US media? [Hint: think "Rupert Murdoch"]. Doesn't anything printed in the NEW OZZIE constitute interference with US internal affairs? Should the U.S. bomb Melbourne to retaliate for this affront? Should we boycott/ embargo Foster's, slaughter zoo kangaroos, burn every Outback Steak- house and Aussie Fried Chicken franchise? Or should the CIA just destabilize and overthrow the Oz gov't? What's your preference? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Tuesday, July 13, 1999
-Caveat Lector- from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS subject: AANEWS for July 13, 1999 A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S #607 ~~ 7/13/99 http://www.atheists.org ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/ http://www.americanatheist.org - A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights And The Separation Of State and Church" -- In This Issue... * Court nixes "ichthus" on Republic city seal * Something's fish about this symbol * Oregon Senate restores faith-healing exemption * Smith defects to USTP as religious right fragments * Resources * About this list... FISH SYMBOL ON TOWN SEAL VIOLATES CONSTITUTION A federal Judge has ruled that the inclusion of a Christian fish or "Ichthus" symbol on the town seal of Republic, Missouri violates the First Amendment's establishment clause. On Friday, Senior U.S. District Judge Russell G. Clark rejected arguments by city officials who said that the fish was merely a "universal symbol of religion" and was designed to encourage morality. Clark noted, "The portrayal of the fish impermissibly excludes other religious beliefs or nonbeliefs and -- intended to or not -- depicts Christianity as the religion recognized and endorsed by the residents of Republic." The seal was challenged by Jean Webb in July, 1998. At the time, Webb -- who describes herself as a member of a Wiccan group -- resided in Republic, having moved there in 1995. She penned an opinion piece in the local newspaper which criticized the seal, and argued that the fish symbol was distinctly Christian in its meaning, and conveyed the message that other religious beliefs would not be welcomed in the community. The ichthus had been on the town seal since 1990, after being selected in a citywide design contest. Attorney Douglas Bonney, who represented Ms. Webb on behalf of the American Civil Liberties Union, told the Kansas City Star newspaper that the decision "upholds the precept of the First Amendment because you cannot do anything officially that condones a Christian religion that alienates the minority." The paper adds that "On that issue, supporters of the fish symbol gave Clark ample evidence," noting that the Judge received "petitions and statements from supporters (which) acknowledged the fish was a Christian emblem..." "Even Republic's own citizens do not deny that the fish seal is a Christian symbol," Clark opined. "At a meeting of the Board of Aldermen on March 9, 1998 ... Sam Darmer stated that he moved to Republic because he was a Christian and the symbol persuaded him that he would be accepted..." Pastor Don Weaver of the West Republic Baptist Church told the Star, "The people voted for this city ... But we are ruled by minority any more (sic). Atheism represents only 3% of the population. When their beliefs are forced on the other 97%, that's not democracy." The City of Republic was represented by the National Legal Foundation, a "religious rights" group which first appeared on the political radar screen in the 1980s, when it defended efforts by a group of parents in Tennessee to have "anti-Christian" texts and other books removed from the school curriculum. Later, the Foundation was active in Colorado working with James Dobson, Pat Robertson and other religious right leaders who promoted the state's notorious antigay ballot initiative. The City has 30 days to decide upon any appeal process to the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals. Republic Mayor Douglas Boatright told the First Amendment Forum that officials would discuss legal strategy with NLF. The Foundation has reportedly informed Republic leaders that all other federal appeals involving a religious symbol on a city seal were over the presence of a Christian cross. According to the Kansas City Star, the legal group "considers the fish as a less definitive symbol that could pass legal muster..." The 8th Circuit has never ruled on such an issue; any verdict on behalf of Republic would then result in different opinions from appellate jurisdictions, automatically sending the case on to the U.S. Supreme Court for resolution. Former Republic Mayor Harold Tindell, who was on the Alderman Board in 1990, told the paper that he asked the winner of the design contest the meaning of the fish symbol. "An outstretched hand was a welcome sign, he was told. The fish symbolized the city's Christian morals..." ** SOMETHING'S FISHY ABOUT THIS SYMBOL... Although Christians today like to embrace the fish or "ichthus" symbol as an icon of their own faith, the true origins of the fish could surprise, even outrage true believers. The "ichthus" may symbolize prudery, self-sacrifice, repression and everything else associated with the Christian religion, but before the rise of the Jesus cult it
[CTRL] TREASON IS THE REASON RALLY [D.C.Saturday, July 24, 1999]
-Caveat Lector- -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --- John Adams -- Treason is the Reason Rally DATE: Saturday, July 24, 1999 PLACE AND TIME: Rally 12 noon - 2:30 PM Dinner (and dancing) 6:00 PM - 12:00 PM TREASON IS THE REASON RALLY: Lafayette Park technology to Communist China. The peaceful protest will include attendees moving from Lafayette Park to the White House sidewalk and Pennsylvania Avenue. TREASON IS THE REASON DINNER: Marriott Crystal Gateway RALLY AND DINNER SPEAKERS: Sean Hannity (emcee), Larry Klayman, Tom Fitton, Ambassador Alan Keyes, Blanquita Cullum, plus several surprise guests and experts on the technology transfers. 1700 Jefferson Davis Highway Arlington, VA 22202 Phone: 703-920-3230 Fax: 703-271-5212 http://marriotthotels.com/WASGW/ RESERVATIONS: Ask for Free Republic or Judicial Watch block (800) 228-9290 OR (703) 920-3230 RATES: $104 single $114 double CONTACTS: http://www.freerepublic.com Connie Hair for more info about the rally: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Susie Graham (915) 697-6383 for convoy info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Free Republic: Convoy to Washington: TREASON IS THE REASON Comparison of Republican Candidates on the Issues: http://www.gopatgo.org/000-p-record.html Reform Party Phone (972) 450-8800 Fax (972) 450-8821 Tax Plan: http://www.reformparty.org/principles/platform1997/tax-reform.html http://www.reformparty.org/ Bob Smith for President Tax Plan: http://www.smithforpresident.org/issues.htm http://www.smithforpresident.org/ United States Taxpayers Party 1-800-2 VETO-IRS Tax Plan: http://www.ustaxpayers.org/ustp-96p.html#Taxes http://www.ustaxpayers.org/ Patrick J. Buchanan Tax Plan: http://www.gopatgo.org/000-c-taxes.html http://www.gopatgo.org/ Alan Keyes Tax Plan: http://keyes2000.org/issues/taxandspend.html http://keyes2000.org The Constitution Party Tax Plan: http://www.constitution.net/policys/tax.htm http://www.constitution.net/ The Draft Jesse Ventura for President Committee Tax Plan (developing): http://news.mpr.org/features/199808/05_mccalluml_venturatax/index.shtml http://www.presidentventura.com/ The Libertarian Party Tax Plan: Select "Text Files" on the Left. http://harrybrowne2000.org/ Steve Forbes Tax Plan: http://www.forbes2000.com/hq/policy_agenda/economic_security.html#flattax http://www.forbes2000.com/ THIRD PARTIES http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/thirds.htm Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- wiithout government criminal gangs come to power (1.) That's statist propaganda, and quite simply untrue. Many people, many cultures, get along without government just fine. Read People Without Government: An Anthropology of Anarchism by Harold Barclay, ISBN 0-900707-75-5 (2.) The government IS a criminal gang. When any of them are in power that is statism. When none are in power that is anarchy. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who REALLY cares what Camille Paglia says about anything This butt ugly dyke, self-absorbed and a total media fabrication, So if you're not a handsome stud, we should all disregard you? OK. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Robert Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote: "anarchy leads to statism any way." To which Nessie wrote: "This is like saying gravity lead to weightlessness." In a free fall one IS weightless. What I meant was...without government criminal gangs come to power and later after one gang conquers the rest they become the "government". "Human nature abhors a power vacuum." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: [SonsofLiberty] THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR'S ESTIMATE OF THE NEGRO
Bard -Original Message- From: James +ACY- Shirley Ely +AFs-mailto:thistle+AEA-snip.net+AF0- Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 4:19 PM To: SONS OF LIBERTY Subject: +AFs-SonsofLiberty+AF0- +ACI-THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR'S ESTIMATE OF THE NEGRO From: +ACI-James +ACY- Shirley Ely+ACI- +ADw-thistle+AEA-snip.net+AD4- Good evening, Sons and Daughters of Liberty+ACE- The following information is from the book, FACTS THE HISTORIANS LEAVE OUT by John Tilley, pgs.. 21-22. If the following is fact, then once again, +ACI-Boy, have we been bamboozled+ACEAIg- The Emancipation Proclamation bears date January 1, 1863. It so happened that on August 14, 1862, LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS BEFORE, there was an interesting conference at the White House. By invitation of Mr. Lincoln, a group of free negroes was there to hear his words of wisdom. Among other matters he discussed his purpose to colonize +ACI-people of African descent.+ACI- Those present must have sat wide-eyed as they listened to his estimate of their race. The following was what they heard: +ACI-Why should people of your race be colonized, and where? This is perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. +ACI-You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong, I need not discuss+ADs- but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think. Your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. +ACI-If this is admitted, it affords a reason, at least, why we should be seperated.+ACI- +ACI-You here are freemen, I suppose. Perhaps you have long been free, or all your lives. Your race is suffering, in my judgement, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people.+ACI- +ACI-But, even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours.+ACI- The above is quoted solely to acquaint you with what Mr. Lincoln saw fit to say on that occasion. By today's standards, Lincoln would have been deemed a rascist+ACE- Knowing the crap they fed me in public school (in the fifties and sixties) I can't imagine what they are teaching (lying) to the youth of today+ACE- Regards, thistle+AEA-snip.net --- ONElist Sponsor How has ONElist changed your life? Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com Freedom is never Free+ACEAIQAhACE- Title: From: James Shirley Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good evening, Sons and Daughters of Liberty! The following information is from the book, FACTS THE HISTORIANS LEAVE OUT by John Tilley, pgs.. 21-22. If the following is fact, then once again, Boy, have we been bamboozled! The Emancipation Proclamation bears date January 1, 1863. It so happened that on August 14, 1862, LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS BEFORE, there was an interesting conference at the White House. By invitation of Mr. Lincoln, a group of free negroes was there to hear his words of wisdom. Among other matters he discussed his purpose to colonize people of African descent. Those present must have sat wide-eyed as they listened to his estimate of their race. The following was what they heard: Why should people of your race be colonized, and where? This is perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong, I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think. Your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason, at least, why we should be seperated. You here are freemen, I suppose. Perhaps you have long been free, or all your lives. Your race is suffering, in my judgement, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people. But, even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours. The above is quoted solely to acquaint you with what Mr. Lincoln saw fit to say on that occasion. By today's standards, Lincoln would have been deemed a rascist! Knowing the crap they fed me in public school (in the fifties and sixties) I can't imagine what they are teaching (lying) to the youth of today! Regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [CTRL] Pinochet Papers
-Caveat Lector- Some three of the main reasons that the U S Government is with-holding these papers is that their Star Witness, the man you describe as 'Michael Vernon' Townley are that: 1. Townley was a Green Beret Sniper with Special Forces Group Five/SFG5 in Viet Nam during 1965-1967. 2. Townley was taken DIRECTLY from Michigan's IONIA STATE HOSPITAL FOR THE CRIMINALLY INSANE - where he was doing an Indefinite Sentence for First Degree Murder (at age 18) in the fall of 1964 - to FORT BRAGG to begin Sniper Training. 3. Townley was/is not even "Michael Vernon" Townley in any case. He was/is MARK Townley, son of Port Huron, Michigan Orthopedic Physician, DR. CHARLES ORLEFF TOWNLEY, himself a General in US Army Intelligence If you'd like to learn more, click on to my: http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/rattelslang/nigger.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly StupidShit?
-Caveat Lector- -- From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly StupidShit? Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 4:54 PM -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit? I believe that a tax on stupidity --mandatory, not voluntary like the lottery-- would, almost instantly, pay off the national debt and provide a huge surplus for future generations. Now, would this be *surplus* as in the multi-trillion dollar surplus the House is eager to spend or would this be the real McCoy? That depends on how stupid polticios and the public both actually are, and how stupid each thinks the other is. Remember, 'freedom' includes the freedom to be an idiot; to maximize a tax on stupidity, gov't should actively ENCOURAGE idiocy, like maybe by subsidizing astrologers. H...this statement would suggest that the gov't ISN"T actively encouraging idiocy, like maybe handing over to China ALL of our nuclear goodies... Hey, there's a point of attack: the stupidity tax would apply to all products of the paranormal, NewAge, religion, gambling and videogame industries. Don't just tax dumb behavior, impose a levee on products and services that only a moron would buy. Most everything on QVC, for instance. And UFOlogy... Ah, but you forgot the biggie, er, like handing money over to the IRS with every paycheck even though we are not legally obligated to do so. Of course, the IRS would then take everything so, there is some justification for following the heard. Moo... Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Interesting OT: USAF Terrorizing Citizens NOW at All Star Game (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:55:03 -0400 From: Bonnie Granat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Terrorizing Citizens The USAF, doing a fly-by of Fenway Park and the All-Star game, flew so low that in my third-floor apartment I felt the heat, heard the engine, and thought that my life was over. I found it was the USAF after the fact, having thought it was a jet taking off and having an emergency on my roof. I called the Cambridge Police after I regained my senses to complain that an airline was far too low. I thought my life was over. My little room heated up like a blazing fire for a second or two and I expected impact at any moment. I was going to die -- it seemed certain, as the sound was getting closer and closer and the engine sounded as if it were sputtering. This is terrorism, IMO. I am still shaking. Well, I know it's not "terrorism", but I was in terror! They should be doing more important things than going to ballgames, in my opinion. Bonnie Granat = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- Good point, n. I'm sure you're a charming person and not the type to go running amok. But if you are going to argue that human beings in their natural state are wise, benign, peaceful and nonviolentand that they have a natural propensity to respect the property and civil liberties of others, I would disagree. I remember my first day on the school ground. The teacher, a wonderful woman, told the class that we are to respect one another, not to fight, to be good children. Unfortunately, the minute the teacher's back was turned, all hell would break loose. Perhaps, you attended a very different kind of school, but my school was an inner city one where a Social Darwinist law of the jungle held sway. There were little gangs of bullies who would terrorize the weak and defenseless and there were children who would deliberately lie in order to get others in trouble.. and heaven help you if you just wanted to mind your own business. Some of the children would go on to junior high and eventually demonstrate even more dangerous proclivities: carrying weapons to school, drug use, prostitution, etc. I'm sure that others on the list may have attended public schools of a similar nature. What is my point? Human beings need guidance, direction, and rules to help them grow. And human societies aren't much different. That's why you need a government in order to maintain some measure of order. Have you ever read Lord of the Flies? It might illustrate my point. Thank you for the response, Will On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- some form of government is always necessary or society resorts to chaos. Do you personally need the gun and the club to keep you in line? Or do you behave like a decent human being becaue that's what you are? Show of hands please. I would particularly like to hear in detail from anybody out there who would run amok if there was no government to restrain them. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- In order to keep the country on a war footing, the system needs scapegoats: Jews, African-Americans, homosexuals, womensomeone has to be the enemy. It's a cultural thing. From the time of the nation's inception, we've been on a crusade against the heathens, the infidels, the unbelievers, the commies ...First, we had to kill Indians, then enslave Africans,finally, we had to push the empire's borders westward...why? Because God wanted us to do it. We are the Elect, don't you see? We are white, holy and pure. We're on a mission from the almighty Lord Yaweh to smite our many enemies, to despoil our neighbor's vineyards and to bring the love of the Almighty to each and every individual on the face of the earth with our flaming swords. On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. To understand homophobia as a social phenomenon we must ask ourselves who benefits from the demonization and scapegoating of homosexuals. In a sense, homosexuals make an even more effective official pariah group than Jews. Like Jews, there are enough of them to appear to the unsophisticated mind to be a threat, yet there are not enough of them to actually be a threat. Like Jews, homosexuals range in appearance from easily identifiable to totally indistinguishable from the rest of us. Like Jews, homosexuals are both thoroughly dispersed throughout the general population and concentrated in certain neighborhoods. Like Jews, their persecution is a lucrative business, enriching their persecutors no end. Like Jews, homosexuals appear to Christians, less as flesh and blood human beings than as mythological creatures come to life, stepping as if from the very pages of Christianity's most sacred texts. Christians, like most religious people, have trouble separating the tenets of their religion and the characters and location of their mythology from the real life people and places of the actual world. While certainly not the only ones with this problem Christians, in particular, have such cognitive disabilities because they are easily led because their religion specifically orders them to think like sheep. If "the Lord is my Shepard," what's that make me? The more imaginative of their numbers come up with lies like "Jews poison wells," "Black people have no souls," and "homosexuals stick mice up their butts," because nothing unifies like the perception of a common and dehumanized enemy. Christian antipathy to homosexuals traces its roots to the ethnic cleansing of Goddess worshipping Caananites by the ancient Hebrews. The Caananites had gay priests. All things Caananite were taboo to the ancient Hebrews, not just homosexuality. The "rounding of the corners of one's beard," for example, was a Caananite custom. It was forbidden to Hebrews so a Hebrew warrior could tell a Hebrew from a Caananite in a hurry in a fight. Anybody who stuck a mouse up their butt would die a horrible death from peritonitis within twelve or so hours. As somebody who celebrated his tenth birthday by being operated on for a ruptured appendix, I can tell you with absolute certainty that no one who even heard rumor of what peritonitis was like would ever do anything to risk such a fate. I live in a city with a large gay population. I have many gay friends and acquaintances. I also have a friend who works as an emergency room physician. I'm also a real life Curious George who works as a researcher for a local paper. You can take my word for it, if this sort of thing ever happened I would have heard about it by now. I would have found the guy. I would have interviewed him. I would have sold the story. I would have spent the money. That's my job. The absolute certainty of a hideous death that awaited anybody with a mouse up their butt was the specific reason it ever happened to anybody at all. During the Inquisition Christian torturers used mice up the butt to extract confessions from homosexuals, witches, and other heretics. Mice were also placed in women's vaginas which were then sewn shut. Another torture popular among Christians was to strap a metal cylinder with one open end and filled with mice to the abdomen of their victims and then heat the other end with fire. The terrified mice would then try desperately to gnaw their way to safety. It is particularly ironic that Christians, of all people, would accuse others of of their own crimes, particularly this one. While horrific, shoving mice up their victim's butts is not the most archetypal of Christian atrocities. That would be the ever popular burning alive. Christians burned more pagans alive than the Nazi burned Jews. Like the devotees of Moloch, Christians
Re: [CTRL] FW: [SonsofLiberty] THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR'S ESTIMATE OF THE NEGRO
-Caveat Lector- Last Saturday, C-Span televised a conference held by the CCC, a racist organization based in Atlanta. One of the speakers went to great lengths to try and tarnish the reputation of former President Lincoln by giving new life to the anti-Lincoln propaganda that proliferated when President Lincoln was alive. President Lincoln's views on African Americans is old news. Of course, he was a racist. Most white Americans were racist at the time. However, that still does not negate the fact that he fought against what he thought was an evil institution. President Davis was keeping people in bondage. On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Bard wrote: Bard -Original Message- From: James +ACY- Shirley Ely +AFs-mailto:thistle+AEA-snip.net+AF0- Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 4:19 PM To: SONS OF LIBERTY Subject: +AFs-SonsofLiberty+AF0- +ACI-THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR'S ESTIMATE OF THE NEGRO From: +ACI-James +ACY- Shirley Ely+ACI- +ADw-thistle+AEA-snip.net+AD4- Good evening, Sons and Daughters of Liberty+ACE- The following information is from the book, FACTS THE HISTORIANS LEAVE OUT by John Tilley, pgs.. 21-22. If the following is fact, then once again, +ACI-Boy, have we been bamboozled+ACEAIg- The Emancipation Proclamation bears date January 1, 1863. It so happened that on August 14, 1862, LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS BEFORE, there was an interesting conference at the White House. By invitation of Mr. Lincoln, a group of free negroes was there to hear his words of wisdom. Among other matters he discussed his purpose to colonize +ACI-people of African descent.+ACI- Those present must have sat wide-eyed as they listened to his estimate of their race. The following was what they heard: +ACI-Why should people of your race be colonized, and where? This is perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. +ACI-You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong, I need not discuss+ADs- but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think. Your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. +ACI-If this is admitted, it affords a reason, at least, why we should be seperated.+ACI- +ACI-You here are freemen, I suppose. Perhaps you have long been free, or all your lives. Your race is suffering, in my judgement, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people.+ACI- +ACI-But, even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours.+ACI- The above is quoted solely to acquaint you with what Mr. Lincoln saw fit to say on that occasion. By today's standards, Lincoln would have been deemed a rascist+ACE- Knowing the crap they fed me in public school (in the fifties and sixties) I can't imagine what they are teaching (lying) to the youth of today+ACE- Regards, thistle+AEA-snip.net --- ONElist Sponsor How has ONElist changed your life? Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com Freedom is never Free+ACEAIQAhACE- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Latest News from Project Censored
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Scot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 14 July 1999 12:51 Subject: Latest News from Project Censored This message includes: Disinformation and Serbia: U.S. Media Bias (an editorial by Peter Phillips) and a message from the Microradio Empowerment Coalition (by Robert W. McChesney) for more information about these topics and others, see http://www.sonoma.edu/projectcensored -- Disinformation and Serbia: U.S. Media Bias By Peter Phillips (668 words) A major news story about Serbia, not covered in the American press, was published in Covert Action Quarterly (CAQ) last Fall. The story detailed how a famous photo from 1992 in Omarska, Bosnia showing an alleged Serbian death camp was in fact a phony. The original photo, taken by Independent Television (ITN) from Great Britain, showed an emaciated Muslim man with his shirt off behind barbed wire with his imprisoned comrades behind him. This photo ran worldwide and was just used again June 14th by Time magazine. It was the first significant emotional presentation of the Serbian military as nazi-like thugs. Presidential candidate, Bill Clinton, making reference to the photo promised military action against the Serbs if elected. According to CAQ this photo was a gross misrepresentation of the situation. The men in the picture were not behind barbed wire, but rather were standing outside of a small fenced enclosure next to a farm house in an open field that had been serving as a refugee transit site. The photographers shot the photo from within the fenced enclosure looking out on a open field. The Hague Tribunal confirmed in 1994 that there was no barbed wire surrounding the camp at Omarska in 1992. So how has a phony photo of alleged Serbian death camp continued to be used to portray the Serbian government as an holocaust perpetrator in Kosovo? One part of the answer is that the American public relations firm Ruder Finn was originally hired by the Croatian sessionists, Bosnian Muslims and the Kosovo Liberation Army( KLA) to foster negative images of the Serbs as nazi demons. Ruder Finn targeted American women and Jews with the promotion of often unconfirmed news stories of Serbian rape/death camps, and various human atrocities. News stories showing attacks and ethnic cleansing of Serbs were often repressed or covered up. The result was that the American public has been lead to believe that the Serbs are the vicious aggressors in the Balkans and the other parties innocent victims. Nothing could be further from the truth. The KLA alone was listed by the U.S. State department as a terrorist organization until just last year. They had been conducting bombings, assassinations, ambushes, (financed by heroin sales) on both Albanians moderates and Serbs in Kosovo for several years, increasing their attacks 1000% in 1998. Serbian police responses were often brutal especially in the villages from which the KLA was known to operate. Yet, last year only 2,000 deaths occurred on both sides in all of Kosovo. 2,000 deaths was not an ethnic cleansing campaign by Serbs to kill Albanians but rather part of a measured response to ongoing terrorist activities by a legitimate government. American media has been so accepting of demonized-the-Serb stories that there was no questioning of the news story last January of the alleged Serbian massacre at Racak where some 40 Kosovo Albanians were said to have be gunned down by Serb police. Found by the "neutral" former Oliver North aide, William Walker, the bodies were a perfect photo opportunity to justify increased NATO demands for direct intervention and the bombings. Yet, there was a complete failure of the American press to cover the European Union's forensic team's report in March 17th stating that they were unable to confirm that a massacre had occurred, and that it was possible that the bodies had been moved to that location after death. The American press has been filled with daily reports of mass graves and torture sites in Kosovo. Yet, a recent story of a KLA torture chamber found by German NATO troops received scant attention in the press. Perhaps if the Serbs buried the 2,000 plus civilian victims of NATO's bombing campaign in a single mass grave the U.S. press might pay more attention to both sides of the story instead of serving as a NATO disinformation distribution service. Peter Phillips Ph.D. is an Associate Professor of Sociology at Sonoma State University and Director of Project Censored --- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with
Re: [CTRL] War on Poverty Yields Few Victories
-Caveat Lector- But if you are going to argue that human beings in their natural state are wise, benign, peaceful and nonviolentand that they have a natural propensity to respect the property and civil liberties of others, I would disagree. Humans are ALWAYS in a natural state. NOTHING exists outside of nature. Human cultures, human individuals vary widely. ALL are natural states. Some are preferable to others. I'm sure that others on the list may have attended public schools of a similar nature. School culture replicates the values and behaviors of the host culture on a microcosmic scale. As a former member of a parent-teacher cooperative alternative school, I can assure you the behavior you describe is not universal. If anthropology teaches us anything it is that assuming that the traits of one's own culture are universal is stupid. What is my point? Human beings need guidance, direction, and rules to help them grow. None of these things need come from the state. Have you ever read Lord of the Flies? It's fiction. Have you ever read The Dispossessed by Urula LeGuinn? It's also fiction. Collectives in the Spanish Revolution by Gaston Leval, which describes a society much like LeGuinn's, is not. It's an eye witness account of what happens when people cast off the state and run their own lives according to anarchist principles. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: Evidence of Serbian Massacre? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- This news article taking from AP Breaking a few minutes ago. I snipped the last few paragraphs. Note that the alleged massacre of the children took place AFTER the Nato bombing started. There are rumors of others killed in Celine and Nagafc. Then, the Nato official states that the massacres are why they had to bomb. Am I missing something? Didn't the article just state that the 20 children were killed after the bombing started? What do you think the chances are that the other alleged massacres took place after the Nato bombing started? Investigators find bodies of 11 children slain by Serbs PRISTINA, Yugoslavia (AP) - British forensic experts in Kosovo have uncovered the bodies of 11 children, some as young as 2 years old, shot at close range by Serb forces, Britain's foreign secretary said Tuesday. The revelation came as a top U.N. war crimes prosecutor said it was possible that Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic could be charged with genocide for the Serbs' campaign of atrocities in Kosovo, on top of other war crimes charges he already faces. British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook said the bodies of the children - aged 2 to 16 years old - had been discovered among 20 corpses found in the southwestern village of Celine. Sources at the British Foreign Office, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said the 20 dead were believed to have come from one family, shot by Serb forces on March 25 or March 26 - a day or two after NATO began its bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. German officers had said there appeared to be graves containing 119 people in Celine and the neighboring village of Nagafc. Cook, speaking to a parliamentary committee in London, said such massacres were ``compelling evidence'' as to why NATO had to wage its 78-day air campaign against Yugoslavia and then deploy a peacekeeping force in the Serbian province. (rest of article snipped, although it did contain some interesting things. Too long for here). = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Re Christie Todd Whitman
-Caveat Lector- I am again sending this message, because for some reason or other, the List is refusing to post it. I would know if it had actually been posted, because I would have received a copy of it addressed to me as a list member. I have never received such a posting. I'm not sure just why the list is trying to protect me from myself, but it is very irritating. Perhaps that is the result desired. In a message dated 07/12/1999 10:09:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At this point, I'd vote for ANYONE who would put Christie Whitman in as a running mate. At least as VP, she can't screw over taxpayers quite as badly as she's done in NJ Wanna bet? Am I the only person in the United States of America who would like to see Sheila Jackson Lee running for president? The lady is intelligent, thoughtful and has an organized mind. She appears to be honest and aware of both her constituency and the rest of the nation. I also think she is honest. Well, in reading over my first few sentences, I can see I've answered my own question. No one would consider those qualities as presidential material. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democra...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/99 6:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that what happened at Waco and at Ruby Ridge was criminal... absolute atrocities... But the number of nuts with guns is on the increase..and any government is going to respond. Well, it is true that these things are deplorable. The number of nuts with guns may or may not be on the increase. What is certain is that the government will respond, in ham handed fashion no doubt. Blanket gun laws, laws against hating people, and the like. Why not just make it a law that you have to love everyone and do everything you can for the benefit of everyone else? The penalty for not doing so is, of course, having your door kicked in at 3:00 A.M., getting dragged off to some prison and being locked away. Plus having all your assets seized so that the police can buy more guns, and "non-lethal" weapons to make our country the peaceful land of love we all know it to be. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] y2k computer viruses
-Caveat Lector- http://www.csis.org/html/y2kw9.html Y2K Computer Viruses Y2K Risk Assessment Task Force: Chairman: Sam Nunn, former U.S. Senator Vice Chairmen: Bradley D. Belt, Director, International Finance and Economic Policy Arnaud de Borchgrave, Director, Global Organized Crime William Garrison, Director, International Communications The Melissa virus and the Chernobyl virus recently demonstrated how easy it is to disrupt a system and cause millions of dollars worth of damage. They are only the tip of the iceberg. There are more than a hundred millennium viruses being developed, while all the effort around the Year 2000 computer problem is focusing on changing the date fields in mission critical systems. The impact of the Melissa virus and the Chernobyl virus pales in comparison to the impact that these millennium viruses could have, especially if they all hit at the same time. Security expertise and communications engineering knowledge has virtually become second nature to today's computer savvy youth. As a result, the quality and the sophistication of simple viruses has significantly increased. Witness the Melissa virus, a simply coded virus which was totally benign it its nature. But, its sophisticated concept of carrier broadcast, which allows a virus to replicate itself and spread rapidly through a system, ultimately created an atmosphere of panic. More recently, the Chernobyl virus wreaked havoc in the Middle East and Asia as well as some European countries. This virus, which was set to activate on the anniversary of the Chernobyl incident, attempts to corrupt the data on the hard drive, while at the same time tampering with the boot up (BIOS) program, without which the computer can not be turned on. South Korea for instance, estimates that up to 15 percent of all its computers may have been affected causing damage of up to $250 million. Other areas of the world also suffered extensive damage. The United States, on the other hand, has remained largely unaffected. The reason for this is that experts in the United States have known about the Chernobyl virus for nearly a year and were able to make preparations by updating the anti-virus software and by being vigilant. The same can not be said about millennium viruses. There is very little, easily accessible public information on them, making it difficult to assess the threat. But, the problem must be taken seriously. As Jeremy Phillips, President of PS Technologies, points out, "anybody who has ever worked with viruses will understand why these viruses are not widely known. Simply, a virus is not usually known about until it strikes for the first time. As these viruses are specifically coded not to activate until the computer clock is either 00 or 2000, there is no reason to suspect that they exist. However, they do." According to Mr. Phillips, there are more than 130 computer viruses that are set to activate at the stroke of midnight 2000. Most of these viruses are harmless, falling into the "nuisance category." A number of the known viruses (10-12), on the other hand, are designed with specific malicious intent. If these viruses all strike at the same, time they have the potential to make a bad situation worse. Systems administrators, already stressed with ensuring the seamless Y2K roll-over, may be pushed to a breaking point increasing the probability of human error and widespread system failures. What do some of these millennium viruses do? Benign Viruses: As stated earlier, most of the millennium viruses are, according to tradition, child-like and non-malicious in their intent. One virus, for instance, creates a picture on your screen of death holding a new-born baby with the numbers "2000"over his head. Seventeen other viruses just display the number "2000" on the screen, and then have it explode in confetti. Although potentially very annoying, these types of viruses cause no lasting damage and are easily removed. Malicious Viruses: The most dangerous "strains" of millennium viruses are being developed by groups that are small, well financed, and located outside of the United States. In some cases, the programmers who design the viruses have set up companies in neutral countries that do software/computer consulting. Profits from their legitimate activities are then used to finance more nefarious projects. The malicious millennium viruses, if left unchecked, could cause serious damage to various areas of the international infrastructure, especially the international telecommunications infrastructure. One virus, for example, specifically targets major companies' telephone Electronic Switching Systems, randomly rerouting calls. Three other malicious viruses will actually lock a processor in a divide by zero loop, which, if left running for a sufficient amount of time, will overheat the Central Processing Unit, causing it to melt down and effectively reducing the computer to scrap metal. Similarly, a different virus will wreck
[CTRL] USassistance2Israel fy49-fy99 [$78.7billion]
-Caveat Lector- http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.htmlU. S. The Jewish Online Research Center (JSOURCE) Assistance to Israel FY1949 - FY1999 -- Folks, I don't know about you, but it's pretty clear to me, come 2000, some changes have to be made. Israel is only one of many Countries that lobbies the D.C. thugs for "assistance". While I haven't researched it yet, it's my understanding we taxpayers are giving away perhaps 200 billion each year; could be on the high side, not sure yet. I have yet to read of any accountability for this "assistance". Don't' you think it's time we demanded an end to this nefarious use of our tax dollars? Come 2000 we can do it by NOT voting for the candidates of the Jewish media lords; or is it going to be business as usual in January, 2001? Is their campaign "hype" so penetrating to your sensibilities and common sense that when you enter the voting booth you succumb to their "demand" for whom you are to vote "for"? At what point do we, the middle class, vote for "enough is enough!"?? Don't forget all those broken campaign promises. You see Folks, we, the Voter, are in the driver's seat on Election Day; or don't you get it yet? All you Whiners about high taxes and big government who don't Vote are the Problem; or don't you still get it yet? You people sit back and go to your sporting events, have your six-pack and beat your wife and all is well. While the rest of us are forced by the thugs to pay for the successes of the Lobbyists. The insidious agenda of the Fabian Socialists is to destroy our Culture and our Republic; or don't you dummies out there get it yet? No! I don't consider myself a textbook "racist", however, there is plenty going on in this Country that could change my mind real fast; and if these injustices continue most assuredly will 'real soon'. Bless each of you who desire limited government, individual responsibility, and an immediate end to the coercive roll the thugs are playing to please the criminal lobbyists to ensure that the thugs are re-elected. Stop and think: What caused our People to turn against the Constitution which was designed for a moral and religious people? The Blame Game: We all have to have a Culprit that we can point to if "things" don't go right. Folks, I'll tell you right now that you have been victimized by the philosophy of the Demo/Repub coalition. If your at all serious about overcoming your frustration with performing the tasks of daily life (your natural instincts) you will rise up from your easy chair and go to the Poll and tell the tax-sucking thugs you have had enough. Caution! Make damn certain you cast your precious vote for a person that doesn't just give lip service to the benefits of limited government. And for you fickle voters, who gave us klintoon, remember it's not how well a candidate looks physically; it's what the person has in the topside, and not what the person has below the navel. The corrupt media lords just love to play up candidates who present an image to their liking. You have to remember that when a newbie goes to Congress the lobbyists eat them alive; D.C. pressures being almost unbearable to stay the course of the status quo. Many, many bucks for the special interests are at stake, Folks. Remember that! Also, Remember that it is Your bucks the special interest find so appetizing when they suck on them. I know what I can change, and what I can't change. But Brothers and Sisters I have one helluva a good time attempting to educate you so "you will get it" finally. Let Freedom ring (cast out the thugs once and for all and repair their damage to the foundations of our American Culture, American Morals, and American Values.) Multiculturalism is a Fabian Socialist concept. The new immigrant's desire to come here to be free can only be achieved by assimilation into our American Society. The Fabian Socialist tactics of promoting the cultural values of recent immigrants only serves to divide the Nation, and ensure the vote of the new citizen is cast for those thugs that promise them (and give them) benefits and subsidies coerced from the dumbed downed citizenry. Comments welcomed! Would sure appreciate your considering distribution of this Post to your friends and associates. Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #4
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990713d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Hey, SkeptiChat subscribers: let's see some responses, some discussion!! : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No planetary orbs were sundered during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ NAZI TV. Newly discovered footage reveals why the Nazi propaganda machine just didn't get television. (Feed) "Most historians have assumed that just a few samples of Nazi-era television programming remain, but over 30 hours have recently been discovered on 285 rolls of TV footage stashed away in.. former East Germany... There's a good reason this footage has been seques- tered: while the Nazis were infamous masters of propaganda in just about any other medium, particularly film, they didn't know what to do with TV." Wheel of Fascism: http://www.feedmag.com/essay/es234_master.html?alert : Do modern Nazis know what to do with TV? Could the old Nazis have used ET help? Are Nazis better with TV, radio, film, videogames, VR immersion? Who's your favorite propagandist? Human or alien? Do you produce propaganda? Why? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Who'd kiss a giraffe? (BBC) Secrets to new medical treatments for humans could be found on the wet, slobbery tongue of the giraffe. Researchers are probing the molecular structure of giraffe saliva to further understand human mucus and its role in the digestive process. Mucus is active in a range of human functions and problems, including stomach ulcers and the potentially fatal disease cystic fibrosis. Gimme a big wet one, bay-bee: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_393000/393622.stm : Do you prefer mucus from humans, giraffes, slugs, aliens, deities/demons, me? Can crop circles be cut in sufficiently thick mucus? Ever implant mucus? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ TRUE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIAN "FISH" SYMBOL MIGHT OUTRAGE, SHOCK JESUS WORSHIP- PERS. Modern day Christians claim their "fish" logo, the Ichthus, dates to the early days of faith. But this symbol is much older, with pagan origins rooted in fertility earth goddess worship. Well before Christianity, the fish symbol was known as "Great Mother," a pointed oval sign, the Vessel of the Fish. "Fish" and "womb" were synonymous in ancient Greek,"delphos." Its link to fertility, birth, feminine sexuality and the natural force of women was acknowledged also by Celts, as well as pagan cultures throughout northern Europe. A "Cult of the Fish Mother" goes as far back as the hun- ting and fishing people of the Danube River Basin in the sixth millennium B.C.E. http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/hawaii2.htm : Has your belief system absorbed many 'pagan' symbols, doctrines, deities? Does your belief system acknowledge or deny its paradoxes? D'ya much care? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Crusaders Making A Comeback In Holy Land. JERUSALEM (Reuters) Legend: the Crusaders were chivalrous knights. Reality: they were ruthless invaders, hacking a bloody trail through the Holy Land in their quest to capture Jerusalem. With some 4 million Christian pilgrims expected to mark the end of Christianity's second millennium, Israelis are taking a crash course in Crusader history. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990713/12/odd-crusades : Does your belief system promote invading remote lands? Would you rather be invader or invaded? Have you invaded or been invaded lately? Was it fun _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Disorder poses new threat for net addicts. (U-WIRE) COLLEGE STN, Texas -- Imagine browsing the Web, surfing through the endless array of chat rooms and Websites. Suddenly there is an interruption. It is a Website called www.virtualaddiction.com. It asks, "Do you use the Internet often? Do you ever find you remain on it longer than you had intended? Does it give you a sense of no boundaries? Do you feel that you are out of control, carried away or emotionally and sexually aroused by it? If so, you could have a problem: Internet addiction." http://news.excite.com/news/uw/990713/odd-35 : Are you a Net junky? Would you rather be addicted to the Net, heroin, sex, cocaine, alien implants, MTV? Does the Net control you? Do you control it? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiBriefs: # SHEDDING LIGHT IN THE DARK. Physicists will run tests during a total solar eclipse next month, hoping to buttress a decades-old argument debunking one of Einstein's relativity theories. Then they'll orgy in the darkness: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20663.html # Dutch funerals live on Internet. AMSTERDAM (Reuters) A Dutch crematorium is offering live coverage of its services on the Internet for those unable to attend the funerals of friends and loved ones. Live feed from 2 cameras for those logging in: http://news.excite.com/news/r/990713/13/odd-funeral # OUT
Re: [CTRL] A REAL conspiracy-For-profit health insurance.
-Caveat Lector- -- From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Babies die, mothers arrested U.S. health care and 'criminal negligence' By Deirdre Griswold New York The corporate media here say repeatedly that socialism has "failed" and that Cuba is repressive. But Tabitha Walrond and Tatiana Cheeks lost their babies and their freedom in New York, not Havana. It's the profit system that has failed by creating a glittering high-tech world that is completely out of reach for an ever-growing part of the population. The US also has a socialist medical system. It has just failed in different ways than the Cuban system. Neither is free market. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector-
7-13-1999, Ric wrote:
study the book The Keys to this Blood by Malachi Martin. Then the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion as described in the post you are
talking about. You may also benefit by reading Dark Majesty by
Texe Marrs about the royalty links in the perpetuators of the NWO.
The PROTOCOLS are a well-known forgery.
You are parroting the same-old "forgery" line.
"Forgery" is typically defined as :
"A counterfeit copy of the genuine article,
that is virtually identical to the original."
Are you suggesting that the "real" Protocols do exist, and
that they are virtually identical to the known "Protocols" ?
Or does the "forgery" charge refer to the substitution of
"Elders of (Z)ion" -- for ("masonic") "Elders of (S)ion" ?
Question:
Why don't "Jewish" anti-Defamation police, and the people
who parrot them, say what they "really" mean -- rather
than endlessly "allowing" that "the Jews" -may- be engaging
in the cover-up of the "real" (non-forged) Protocols ?
Is maintaining a level of Gentile suspicion of Jews
standard procedure for certain "Jewish" Power Brokers --
who themselves directly benefit from "anti-Semitism" and
subsequent Jewish separatism, fund raising, and votes ?
Do many, or most, Jews fear being accepted as "equals" and
"assimilated" as non-separatists -- or, is this just a fear
of some "Jewish" Power Brokers, and those who parrot them,
who covet their current status and power of intimidation ?
Would reducing or eliminating mistrust of Jews in western
democracies result in a "fatal" loss of Israeli population
as Israeli Jews fled, en mass, the oppressive military
apartheid (racist fascism??) of Israel, to emigrate to the
security of "Gentile" democracies -- where any mistrust of
Jews had been reduced or eliminated, as postulated ?
Could apartheid Israel, or certain "Jewish" Power Brokers,
long survive a wholesale elimination of that old devil,
"anti-Semitism" in the west -- or in Israel ?
(The birthrate of the current Arab population will soon
inundate and politically absorb any non-apartheid Israel.)
Is this age-old state of affairs some Gentile conspiracy ?
If "nazis" and "anti-Semites" didn't exist, would certain
"Jewish" Power Brokers obtain benefit by inventing, and
even maintaining them ?
Is "anti-Semitism," sadly, necessary and inevitable ?
Is Jewish separatism -- maintained by the ancient fear of
"anti-Semitism" -- absolutely mandatory for the survival
of Jews and Israel, who would otherwise be assimilated into
a humanist "One World Democracy," like everyone else ?
Should Jews be held to the same standards as "Gentiles" ?
Should Israeli gun owners have their guns taken away by the
United Nations -- since all gun owners are "right wingers,"
potential killers, violent separatists, "militia" bigots,
and hate-filled "religious nuts" ?
Should Israel open its borders to allow free immigration,
exactly as most predominantly white (but not oriental)
countries are doing ?
When the western democracies are absorbed into the U.N.,
will the U.N. turn against Israel -- and demand surrender
of Jewish weapons and wide open Israeli borders -- or else
face a massive 24/7 murderous bombing into submission --
since there is no one left to object ?
Does this indicate the United Nations may be, ultimately,
the culmination of "anti-Semitism," and the end of the Jews'
story -- the "final solution"..?
Is the United Nations therefore, ultimately, a project
of the "Black Nobility" -- i.e., the Phoenician,
Venetian, Canaanite, Edomite, etc., enemies of Israel
from ancient times -- whose cultural transmission flows
"underground," in secret societies ?
Is this postulated conspiracy no mere "Gentile" conspiracy,
but rather a conspiracy that considers "Jews" to be just
another very deluded type of "Gentiles" -- thus pawns, and
incredibly useful idiots -- as perhaps openly hinted in
"the Protocols"..?
Do you know what the "Protocols" actually say in this light ?
:)
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Re: [CTRL] Growing Abyss between Rich and Poor
-Caveat Lector- If solar energy had been allowed to grow instead of nuclear which seems to have a side effect of producing poisonous fluoride. NOW used computer cases and parts could be sold like used blue jeans. powered by solar energy receiving communications from satellite instead of phone line. for those of you that make web pages consider most of the rest of the world is using a operating system Like Dos if they are not using Dos. percentage wise they do not use windows or use browses like Explorer. When I had a counter on my other site and had only sent the address to some overseas lists Explorer was the browser with the fewest hits Netscape was more popular and the most hits came in for browses that the counter could not recognize. Except for One frame page and two table pages which are getting ready to change - My site is backward compatible, and capable of being read by any browser, even one that some programer in another country had just finished coding. applets are pretty (for us) but consider others, and do not use them on your whole site, please. Piper Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- "200 Americans have more money than 40 percent of the world's population." "20% of the population, living in high income countries, control 86% of the world export markets, 68% of foreign investment and 74 percent of telephone lines. "Rich countries or corporations have directed 80% of their foreign investments to only 20 nations in Eastern Europe and the developing world, mainly to China." "The UN report suggests the rules of globalization need to be changed to make them work for people rather than profits, arguing against an unfettered market economy." Gap Between Rich, Poor Said Growing By NAOMI KOPPEL .c The Associated Press GENEVA (AP) - Technology advances may be improving life for many people around the world, but they are also widening the gap between rich and poor, according to a U.N. report released today. An international effort is needed to meet the needs of poor people in areas of medical research, communications and information technology, according to the 1999 Human Development Report. Researchers with the U.N. Development Program examined income, education, life expectancy and health care in assessing the quality of life in 174 countries. Among their findings were that purchasing a computer would cost the average Bangladeshi eight years' income, while the average American would pay one month's wage. Eighty percent of all websites are in English, but only one person in ten worldwide speaks English, the report continued. Even in more established means of communications the researchers found a gap between rich and poor. In the principality of Monaco in 1996 there were 99 telephone lines per 100 people, while in Cambodia the figure was one. People in Switzerland make an average of six hours of international telephone calls per year, but in Pakistan the average is one minute. ``This (technology) is a two-edged sword - it is cutting many people in, but it is increasingly cutting many people out,'' the report's author Richard Jolly told reporters. Jolly said people using the Internet were increasingly young, white, male and well-educated. The report also ranks the countries and territories in a human development index based on real income, life expectancy and educational standards. Canada tops the list for the sixth year running, followed by Norway and the United States. The bottom 22 countries on the list are all in Africa, with Sierra Leone coming last. The top 20 percent of the world's population earned 74 times as much as the bottom 20 percent. In 1960 it was 30 times as much. ``The 200 richest people in the world have more money than the combined income of the lowest 40 percent of the world's population,'' said Jolly. Globalization did not necessarily make the situation worse, but Jolly said governments should take into account more than just trade issues when they consider international policy. The report says international policy making must balance a concern for profits with a concern for people who have been affected by turmoil in the global marketplace. It is also important to find a comprehensive approach to global threats such as HIV infection, international crime, human rights abuses by multinational corporations and transnational pollution such as acid rain. ``The aim is to put human concerns at the center of the globalization debate, to focus on the global interdependence of people and not just of financial flows,'' added Jolly. UN: Internet helps create parallel societies By Evelyn Leopold UNITED NATIONS, July 12 (Reuters) - When leaders of an attempted coup against Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev seized radio and television stations in 1991, Russians used a fledgling computer and facsimile network to disseminate calls for resistance to defeat the revolt. Within a
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/99 7:53:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So if you're not a handsome stud, we should all disregard you? OK. Well, thankfully I am a handsome stud BUT then again so is Paglia...though she's not attractive in the female sense...anyway, no, that's not my point. My point is that Paglia speaks for Paglia, there's really no big "movement" behind her (I won't mention her posterior), she's a media creation, nothing more. She talks like a disinfranchised male...big deal One could hear this type of venom at any union hall...I guess my point is WHO CARES WHAT PAGLIA THINKS??? I don't Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The FBI in Kosovo (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- From: ML/NJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The FBI in Kosovo The FBI in Kosovo = Bob Grant had Scott Pele (sp?) on his show this afternoon teasing the 60 Minutes II segment on Serb atrocities in Kosovo. Their discussion made it seem as if the FBI has been heavily involved over there. I know the FBI seems to be more and more involved in international operations, but I found myself wondering when, how, and why this came about. What is next? Are we going to send the IRS over there to collect taxes? ML/NJ = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] information on FMSF
-Caveat Lector- 7/13/99 Hi ! Here's some information on FMSF. Sincerely, Neil PS All accusations are alleged (this is for legal reasons.) Therapist Defeats Founders of False Memory Syndrome Foundation, The US District Court for the District of Maryland granted summary judgement dismissing all claims for defamation against Charles Whitfield, MD brought by the Freyd's, founders of FMSF. The Court found Dr. Whitfield's comments were protected as his opinion, that the Freyd's were public figures and failed to demonstrate malice. For info contact Weinberg Green, LLC, 410-332-8600, weinberggreen@ mcimail.com and [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Betrayal Trauma: The Logic of Forgetting Childhood Abuse" - Jennifer J. Freyd (Pamela Freyd's daughter) U-Turn on Memory Lane by Mike Stanton COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW July/August 1997, pp. 44-49. Pamela Freyd seems more like the mother and grandmother she is than a revolutionary. But as a founder of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, she has in fact helped revolutionize the way the press and the public view one of the angriest debates in America--whether an adult can suddenly remember long-forgotten childhood abuse. The subject of memory has always been a slippery one for journalists. While there is a documented body of knowledge showing that people can forget horrific events and recall them years later, memory is not an exact science like nuclear physics, but rather an emotional arena of violent disagreement. Yet in the 1980s and early '90s, repressed memories were all the rage among reporters and talk-show hosts as the media uncritically focused on accounts of abuse so dramatic and terrible that they must have been true. Some, it eventually became clear, were exaggerations or fabrications. Now, thanks largely to the efforts of the Philadelphia-based False Memory Syndrome Foundation, the pendulum has swung equally far in the other direction. Formed as a support group for accused parents, the foundation has sought primarily to persuade the media of the dangers of psychotherapy in creating "false memories." Indeed, today there is open skepticism and outright hostility toward the idea that lost memory can be recovered. But often there has been no more hard-news reporting than before, leaving the issue essentially unexplicated in the press. A study published last year by a University of Michigan sociologist, Katherine Beckert, found a sharp shift in how four leading magazines--Time, Newsweek, U.S. News World Report, and People--treated sexual abuse. In 1991, more than 80 percent of the coverage was weighted toward stories of survivors, with recovered memory taken for granted and questionable therapy virtually ignored. By 1994, more than 80 percent of the coverage focused on false accusations, often involving supposedly false memory. Beckett credited the False Memory Syndrome Foundation with a major role in the change. Pamela Freyd (rhymes with "tried") started the foundation in early 1992 with her husband, Peter, a University of Pennsylvania mathematician. He had been accused by their grown daughter Jennifer, a respected University of Oregon psychologist and memory researcher, of childhood sexual abuse, the memory of which she said she recovered as an adult. Since then, journalists across the country have felt the wrath of what Stephen Fried, a writer for Philadelphia magazine, calls "the most influentially dysfunctional family in America." It wasn' t Jennifer Freyd, but her parents, who made her allegations public. Pamela Freyd revealed the accusations, which neither she nor her daughter has ever specified publicly, among with personal details about her daughter's life, in an article that she wrote anonymously for a small journal sympathetic to accused parents. She later identified herself to reporters as the author. The Freyds blame their daughter's therapist for her memories of abuse. But Jennifer Freyd denies that her memories surfaced, as newspaper articles and her mother have suggested, through hypnosis or any of the other therapeutic practices the FMSF attacks. Rarely has such a strange and little-understood organization had such a profound effect on media coverage of such a contro-versial matter. The foundation is an aggressive, well-financed p.r. machine adept at manipulating the press, harassing its critics, and mobilizing a diverse army of psychiatrists, outspoken academics, expert defense witnesses, litigious lawyers, Freud bashers, critics of psychotherapy, and devastated parents. With a budget of $750,000 a year from members and outside supporters, the foundation's reach far exceeds its actual membership of about 3,000. The Freyds and the members know who we are but the press knows less than they are what drives them, or why they've been so successful. Pamela Freyd, who is the foundation's executive director, wrote in its
Re: [CTRL] Dr. Cathy Burns Hidden Secrets of Masonry
-Caveat Lector- Hi ! Here's a book review with info on the Masons. Sincerely, Neil Brick Book Review The following article is collection of quotes and information from that book. Warning: Some material in this article may be triggering, please use caution while reading it. All accusations are alleged. Ordering information follows the article. The beginning of the book discusses the fact "that the majority of people who join the Masons DO NOT really know what Masonry teaches... Delmar Darrah, a 33rd degree Mason explains: "The average man enters Freemasonry with LITTLE or NO KNOWLEDGE of the fraternity, its manner of organization, or its system of doing business." (Page 5) "We are told that Masons believe in charity and good works, but Masonic writer, Ralph Anderson, a 32nd degree Mason, proclaims: "If the SOLE value is ethical (MORAL).. then Masonry has failed.. Arthur Waite... tells us that Masonry "is ON THE SURFACE a 'system of morality, VEILED in allegory and illustrated by symbols. " (Page 6) "In fact, Masonry INTENTIONALLY MISLEADS those Masons who have recently joined. Pike (a 33rd degree Mason mine), claims: "The symbols and ceremonies of Masonry have MORE THAN ONE MEANING. They rather CONCEAL than disclose the truth." . ."So Masonry jealously CONCEALS ITS SECRETS, AND INTENTIONALLY LEADS conceited interpreters ASTRAY." (page 7) ..Pike adds, "Masonry, like all the religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, CONCEALS its secrets from ALL EXCEPT the Adepts and SAGES, or the Elect, and USES FALSE EXPLANATIONS and MISINTERPRETATIONS of its symbols to MISLEAD those who deserve only to be misled; to CONCEAL the truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. (page 7 and 8). Review author's note: Many cults have what is called a hidden agenda. New members are not permitted to know "the truth" until they are already too deeply involved (or brainwashed) to leave. Most cults also have a severe consequence for leaving the group, such as death, hell, not achieving nirvana, etc. "When a person enters Masonry, he joins what is called a Blue Lodge. Members of this Lodge may learn the first three degrees...most Masons never advance past the third degree The highest degree in the Scottish rite is the 33rd degree. (Pg. 9). "Oaths are taken by the candidate and the horrible penalties are pronounced upon him should he betray the SECRETS of Masonry...the oath...for the first degree is: . binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut from ear to ear, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the sands of the sea a cable's length from shore, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever willingly, knowingly, or unlawfully violate this, my Entered Apprentice Oath, so help me God and keep me steadfast." (page 9 and 10). In a poem written by J. S. M. Ward, a Mason, mentions that Osiris saved mankind. "Osiris is the Egyptian god of the dead as well as a SUN-GOD but he is also known by many other names... Festivals held in his honor often resulted in HUMAN SACRIFICES AND ORGIASTIC (sexual) rites. (page 17) "It is to this god, Osiris (under the name of Hiram Abiff), that the Masons pay honor in the third degree...Any one who is familiar with Egyptian mythology should be able to see the correlation between the myth of Hiram Abiff and of the Egyptian god, Osiris. (page 18- 19) "Waite acknowledges that: There is NO QUESTION that the MYTH of Osiris covers the WHOLE STORY of mystical life and is presented in the Funerary Ritual (the death and resurrection ceremony of the third degree)... We also as Masons LOOK FORWARD TO UNION of the departed with Osiris..." (page 19) "Since the gods of Masonry ... actually REPRESENT SATAN in different camouflages and since the SERPENT is widespread in Masonry and the Bible clearly states that the SERPENT is SATAN, we see that the Masons are in ACTUALITY worshipping SATAN (LUCIFER). " (page 24) Review author's note: Satanists often "twist" or "reverse" the Bible to desecrate religions and customs that are "in the light". "Pike brags: . Lucifer, the Light~bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the light..? Doubt it not !. Masonic testimony is clear that the SERPENT or SATAN (Lucifer) should be worshipped."(page 25) "In the third degree the Mason is given a SUBSTITUTE word.. Waite suggests that the Word revealed in the third degree was of similar value to our old friend ABRACADABRA''. He mentions elsewhere that since the sphere of Ritual is also a sphere of SORCERY, on proceeding to initiation he is given the symbol ABRACADABRA.. and is told it is the TRUE WORD Most people know that the word ABRACADABRA has to do with MAGIC, but did you know that
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative
-Caveat Lector- Good piece of propaganda, to call Clinton a Christian is like calling a monkey a rocket scientist. Now it appears that the list has disintegrated into a lot of people slapping themselves on the back. I haven't seen anything of a conspiracy to this Subject...Unless Are any of you from Canada and trying to launch some kind of law in the US against hate language? We have a vocabulary here and can usually come up with different subjects to talk about. The other reason that this thread may have continued for so long is that some would like us to idolize homosexuals like Jews were idolized. Like Hitler has been idolized as a great military leader. Hitler was propped up and the line that he spouted was started quite a few years before he was born. Hitler burned much of what was written before that holocaust and so anything that was written (like this) that speculated what was happening to education was burned. at the end of http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/beliefs2.htm Basic Judaism by Milton Steinberg (c)1975 Harcourt Brace Jovanovich NY A History of the Jews by Paul Johnson (c)1987 Harper Row NY In particular the section detailing how Freud (1856-1939) was given over. **End Of Citations*** ** Hitler (1889-1946) p.470-471. 1870-1914 The Germans and the Jews both had a devotion to learning. "From it's inception in 1933, for instance, Germany won more Nobel prizes than any other country, about 30 per cent of the whole; but of Germany's share, the Jews provided nearly a third and in medicine a half. For Germany to turn on the Jews was not just mass murder; it was, in a real sense, mass parricide. How did it happen?" ... WW1 had this effect "The war had a second effect. it transformed the way in which Germany conducted its business. Pre-war Germany was the most law-abiding country in Europe. civil violence was unheard of, un-German. anti-Semitism was everywhere, but physical violence to Jews, let alone an anti-Semitic riot, was something which did not, could not, occur in Germany. The war changed all that. It accustomed men to violence everywhere, but in Germany it induced a violence of despair. The 1918 Armistice did not bring peace to central and eastern Europe. It brought a twenty-year interval between two huge, open conflicts, but in this twenty years violence, it verying degrees, was the main arbiter of politics. Both left and right used violence. Lenin and Trotsky set the pattern with their Putsch in 1917. Their Communist allies and imitators followed suit in Germany, 1918-20. Jew were prominent in all these attempts to overthrow existing order by force. The Communist regime in Bavaria included not only Jewish politicians, like Eismer, but Jewish writers and intellectuals like Gustav Landauer, Ernst Toller and Erich Muhsam. The right responded by organizing private armies of veterans, the Freikorps." "In Russia, the arbitration of violence favored the left, in Germany the right. Jewish extremists like Rosa Luxemburg and Eisner were simply murdered. It ceased to be unusual for Jewish opponents to be 'dealt with'. In the four years 1919-22 there were 376 political murders in Germany, all but twenty-two of left-wing figures, many of them Jews. ..." "After November 1938, Jews were expelled from all schools, and trains, waiting-rooms and restaurants were segregated." p.487 Farben and the Deutscher Bank. WW1 1918 Armistice WW2 You people want to keep throwing around personal opinions then will you please put them on a web page so I have the option of Not going to it. If you care to cite a book or add comments from history, I am interested. Some of the essay may be good, but what can be written as a editorial doesn't fly to well here with out citations. You should take a business writing course. Piper nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I know this list gets off-topic quite a bit, but can someone tell me what mice in the anus has to do with Conspiracy? Disinformation is the most powerful weapon and the most useful tool of all those which our self-styled "owners" use to keep us in line. To understand homophobia as a social phenomenon we must ask ourselves who benefits from the demonization and scapegoating of homosexuals. In a sense, homosexuals make an even more effective official pariah group than Jews. Like Jews, there are enough of them to appear to the unsophisticated mind to be a threat, yet there are not enough of them to actually be a threat. Like Jews, homosexuals range in appearance from easily identifiable to totally indistinguishable from the rest of us. Like Jews, homosexuals are both thoroughly dispersed throughout the general population and concentrated in certain neighborhoods. Like Jews, their persecution is a lucrative business, enriching their persecutors no
