Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers
-Caveat Lector- This is information from a former Othodox Rabbi who lives in Israel and is in a position to know from the inside. He specifically mentioned the Orthodox Rabbis only. One last word. What people choose to believe is not your business. I do not wish to be labeled 'Christian' as in - you Christians as I do not follow a denomination and do my own thing. You cannot speak for the Jews either. I have already posted information on the so called 'Christian' leaders really being the Illuminati by Texe Marrs. eg Billy Graham 33 Freemason and Bishop Tutu a Freemason. That's all I have to say on the matter, as this is not a religious list. However if it takes a (Jewish) Christian as in Chuck Missler to write a book on Clinton being taught as a 'Baptist' by Freemason Baptist pastors then so be it. That is news. The book is called 'The most dangerous gospel'. This is about the lies coming from the pulpits under the guise of Christianity and the real agenda surfacing so slowly people don't actually the deceit. My interest is who is trying to control all our beliefs and deception involved, no one is trying to convert you, so relax. Thats all (shrug) Nicky Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nicola Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.audiocentral.com/rshows/6640/archives98.html That was interesting Michael. snip hmmm Now this could turn out interesting I have heard, from someone who was originally Jewish living in Israel that more than half the Orthodox Rabbis living in Israel have recognized Jesus as the Messiah and will all announce it together when they think it is the right time. Nicky Look, I don't really care what you believe, but this statement above is so absurd that it only indicates how desperately naive you are. Who ever gave you that information is lying to you, and you are too ignorant to recognize it. If you would have said that half the Reform, or Reconstructionist, or New Age Rabbis have recognized Jesus as the Messiah, though unlikely, that MIGHT enter into the realm of possibility. But to make that claim for orthodox Rabbis in Israel is completely off the wall. This is half baked Christian propaganda based entirely on wishful thinking. It's like saying the Dali Lama will be the next Pope. One would have to be totally ignorant of both religions to think this possible. Believe what you want, but leave the Jews out of it. Jews have no interest in Jesus at all. If you Christians are waiting for a group to convert before Jesus returns, I suggest you try the South Koreans. The Jews never will. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Environment
-Caveat Lector- From The New australian www.newaus.com.au Return to The New Australian Have we got a climate catastrophe just for you! By *John L. Daly No. 134, 20-26 September 1999 No matter where you live in the world, the Greenhouse Industry modellers have tailored the impacts of the global warming theory to provide everyone with their own custom-made climate catastrophe. For Australians, warming alone would be enough to get us worried as we are warm enough already. Some extra rain would be nice, and the warming scenario does suggest increased rainfall globally but, you guessed it not for Australia. The modellers have decreed that we will have more frequent and severe El Ninos, the harbinger of droughts. So while the rest of the world might get more rainfall, Australia will miss out. How convenient. How about Canadians, northern Europeans, and Russians? The Industry have a very special deal for you too. Your primary fear is not warming (you are too cold for that), but that of cooling. The prospect of climatic cooling freezes the heart of any Siberian peasant or Canadian farmer. But, sure enough, these very lands are now tipped to suffer an ice age! It took a bit of jigging of the models to do it, but using the prospect of a failure of thermohaline ocean circulation in the North Atlantic, they claim that warmer waters in the Gulf Stream will cease to sink at the poles, causing the Gulf Stream to veer south and leave the whole North Atlantic in the grip of a frigid cold. A convoluted theory, but one which gets the desired result a climate catastrophe designer-built just for those places which fear cooling much more than warming. That should very neatly remove any vested interest such people may have toward having a warmer world. For coastal communities who may be indifferent to warming or cooling, the Industry has them targeted too sea levels rising to swamp them. Little matter that there is no convincing evidence of any general sea level rise this century, the modellers have built this into their models anyway, and threaten coastal low lying countries with Noah's flood if they don't toe the green Kyoto line. Then we have those ancient cradles of civilisations the vast river basin communities, like the Ganges basin in India, the Yangtze basin in China, the Indus basin of Pakistan etc., home to hundreds of millions of people dependent on sustained river flows for irrigation and occasional (and preferably modest) floods to fertilize the land. Also home to countries who have expressed little or no interest in Kyoto. As special punishment, the Industry mandarins have recently devised a special double feature, just for them. The glaciers in the Himalayas will melt, they say, and this melting will cause catastrophic floods to descend upon those hapless millions. But that's not all. Once the floods have subsided with the glaciers gone, these people are still not off the hook. Floods will be followed by droughts as the rivers suffer reduced flows, turning these fertile basins into arid land. Nobody ever said the modellers were not creative. And the U.S.A.? If you are American, ask yourself what climate catastrophe you dread the most, and sure enough, that is exactly the one which the Industry has in store for you. Bigger and deadlier tornadoes for you mid-westerners, bigger and deadlier hurricanes for you coastal dwellers, bigger floods for you farmers in the Mississippi/Missouri basins, even (God forbid) grey skies for the genteel folk of Los Angeles. And what of the British, whose climate gurus are more responsible than anyone for this hysteria? The British climate is so miserable, that any change must be for the better. But even here, the British psyche works against them as they are forever talking about the weather. And the modellers have now given them plenty to talk about and thus plenty to fret about. The customised disaster scenarios do not just stop with changes to local climates. There are also those dreaded `impacts', so beloved of the fringe elements of the Greenhouse Industry. For example, tropical diseases like Malaria have scourged millions of people since the dawn of time. With warming, will these diseases spread beyond the tropics? Yes, say the doomsayers. What of deserts? They will expand of course. Of course. Quite how diseases from the wet tropics can be expected to spread into the drying climates of expanding deserts is not explained. But then, consistency was never one of the Industry's strong points. There is however one shining bright spot with carbon dioxide (CO2), the trace gas at the centre of the whole scare. CO2 is a natural fertilizer to all plants, and its enhancement in the atmosphere will inevitably lead to greater biological productivity throughout the biological world. That's a hard one for the Industry spin doctors to contradict, but be assured they are working on it. The last
[CTRL] Back to the CCCP
-Caveat Lector- "" On September 14 the newspaper Isvestia commented positively on the spontaneous formation in various Moscow neighbourhoods of civilian militias, which have begun patrolling the cellars and entrances of apartment houses. In the opinion of the newspaper, the population has decided to build up its own form of security, having recognised that the state could not guarantee their safety. "" www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Russia the CIS Russian police begin mass roundups in wake of terror bomb attacks By Vladimir Volkov and Martin McLaughlin 20 September 1999 Back to screen version Police carried out mass arrests in Moscow and Russian government officials threatened a renewed military assault on the breakaway region of Chechnya after two terrorist bombings in the space of four days killed more than 200 people in the Russian capital. The first bomb destroyed a working-class apartment building in southern Moscow on September 9, while the second bomb hit a similar structure September 13. The second blast was particularly devastating, collapsing the brick and mortar structure completely at 5 a.m., when most residents were asleep in their beds, and killing nearly everyone inside. Both explosions required careful preparation and extensive organisation, in order to assemble hundreds of pounds of military-style explosives and detonate them during the night when they would cause the maximum casualties. Four other bombs have exploded in Russian cities in the past two weekson August 31 near a Moscow shopping area, killing one person, on September 4 in the Dagestan city of Buinaksk, killing dozens in an apartment building for Russian soldiers and their families, in St. Petersburg, and in the south Russian town of Volgodonsk. But the Moscow apartment blasts were the most terrifying and atrocious of the incidents, touching off widespread anger and panic in the city. By Saturday an estimated 11,000 people had been picked up by police in Moscow. Hundreds of them were Chechens and many others were of Caucasian descent, although no evidence has yet been presented which conclusively links the wave of explosions to the ongoing conflict in the north Caucasus. No rebel group in either Chechnya or Dagestan has claimed responsibility for the bombing, and at least one of the explosions, in St. Petersburg, has been linked to gang activity. Government officials called for military retaliation against Chechnya, although both Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov and his bitter rival, guerrilla leader Shamil Basayev, have denied involvement. Prosecutor General Vladimir Ustinov said, "We should not be afraid to cross into the Chechen territory to destroy militants and restore constitutional order," he said. "Radical measures have to be taken within Chechnya itself," the prosecutor general added. "The armed forces can be employed if there is a danger of the disintegration of the state." In both houses of the Russian Duma there were calls by legislators for termination of the ceasefire which ended the war in Chechnya in 1996 and immediate air strikes on Chechen targets. Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev said that if air strikes were ordered, the bombings would be carried out "throughout the territory of Chechnya, irrespective of where the bandits are." The murder of hundreds of innocent Russian working people, among them dozens of children sleeping in their beds, is a despicable crime that cannot be justified regardless of the alleged political motivation of the perpetrators. Moreover, there are many reasons for scepticism about the official claims that Chechen terrorists were responsible. Given the Byzantine and unprincipled political infighting within the ruling class of bureaucrats and gangsters in Moscow, there are many forces who could have had a hand in instigating the terror bombings, including the Yeltsin government, its factional opponents, and the security services themselves, who have long experience in carrying out bloody provocations. One thing is clearthe ruling circles are reacting to the bombings aggressively, introducing the tightest possible controls, especially in Moscow and at all atomic energy facilities. President Boris Yeltsin ordered an intensified security regime for airports, railway stations, markets and other areas where people concentrate. He demanded that the mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, implement an immediate search of all attics, cellars and empty houses in the city. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who was in New Zealand for the Asian Pacific Economic Co-operation summit when the first Moscow apartment blast occurred, immediately returned to Russia. At the airport prior to his return, he declared that one could not describe the perpetrators of these actions as humans: They are not even beasts, but something even worse. The
[CTRL] Waco: The Concrete Tomb
-Caveat Lector- from: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacoroom.htm A HREF="http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacoroom.htm"Waco: The Concrete Tomb/A - The Concrete Tomb (c) 1999 Ian Williams Goddard In Waco, Texas, April 19, 1993, forty one women and children died in a concrete room often called "the bunker" wherein they sought protection from a tank and gas attack by the Federal Government on their home, the Mount Carmel Center. The concrete room shall heretofore be called "the room." The room was located directly below the central tower of the Mt Carmel Center. In the following Forward Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) images we can see that a tank has penetrated the Center directly in line with the room. The FBI had intimate knowledge of the interior of the Center, and with bugs inside, should have known where people were. The tank penetrates deeply inside several times, headed directly toward the room (the bright area at the rear of the tank is hot-engine exhaust). The tank goes in and out several times, and goes in slightly deeper than seen above. What is it doing? The tank, equipped with a large plow, is invariably plowing demolished debris of the building and its interior furnishings up against the front of the room, creating a large barrier of hazardous debris in front of the door to the room, as we can see in this illustration. The autopsy report states that one person died of traumatic injuries directly in front of the room. Some media reports suggested that the holes made by tanks would facilitate easy egress from the building, but in fact, as the illustration shows, the wreckage created by the tanks would do the very opposite. Plowing a large mass of debris directly in front of the door to the room would serve only to impede escape, particularly for small children, from a room that was shortly to become a fire-baked oven. The tank was creating a death trap. Sealing the fait of the women and children inside the room even further was the fact that the doorway had no door and by that time most occupants should have been overcome by the knockout effects of methylene chloride, the main CS-power carrier (see 7). The tank seen above even fired CS gas while it was inside. With these facts in mind, the claim in the Department of Justice report that the forty one women and children in the concrete room could have escaped if they wanted to is a horrific farce. COMING SOON: Did A Bomb Kill People Inside The Concrete Tomb? - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Aye, Spy
-Caveat Lector- From the Independent (UK) AN EPIDEMIC OF RED SPY FEVER - BUT HAVE THESE SPOOKS AND SNEAKS REALLY DAMAGED BRITAIN? BRITAIN IS in the grip of spy fever, a peculiar epidemic that has everyone looking under their beds for old Reds. For the past 10 days, one spy scandal has followed another and if it continues much longer journalists will be reduced to seeking out the only academic or politician who was not working for one secret service or other during the Cold War. The tabloid press has had possibly the most fun. The Sunday Mirror claimed yesterday that two royal aides were KGB agents - with not much in the way of evidence. The News of the World interviewed the former Scotland Yard detective John Symonds, who was said to have worked for the KGB as a "Romeo" agent paid to befriend women who might be able to provide information. In the article, headlined "Traitor romped for Russia", he claims to have given "200 women best sex ever". Newspapers of the political right, with The Sunday Telegraph to the fore, are settling old scores with CND by implying that Communist agents in its midst made it a tool of Moscow. When the dust settles some questions will be asked: Does it all matter? Did it tell us something we didn't know? The answer in broad terms is "no". But first let's clear up a few misunderstandings. It is easy to apply the term "spy" to anyone who has a KGB file, but the reality is not so simple. Certainly many people recruited by the KGB or the East German HVA or any other Communist spy service were engaged in full-on espionage against their country. Melita Norwood, aged 87, was a prime example, feeding classified information from her workplace back to the Soviet Union. She was engaged in treachery, whether she is prosecuted or not. She had a bulging KGB file and a codename - Hola. Like Philby, Burgess, Maclean and the rest of the Cambridge spy ring she did it for ideological reasons. Many other spies did it for the money or even the sex. But not all the people named in the past few days are "spies". All secret services use different types of agents. The second most important is the "agent of influence". This would ideally be a politician, journalist or academic - someone who can influence public thinking. The Mitrokhin Archive, by Professor Christopher Andrew and the KGB defector Col Mitrokhin, reveals that in 1977 the KGB residency gave an annual report to Moscow in which it claimed 190 successful "acts of influence". It claimed it had initiated 99 discussions, which allegedly "influenced" politicians, journalists and other opinion formers, and claimed to have successfully prompted 26 public announcements, 20 publications, the sending of more than 20 letters and telegrams, nine questions in Parliament, five press conferences, four meetings and demonstrations and three television and radio broadcasts. In the mid-1970s the London KGB residency hatched "probably its most ambitious scheme" - to recruit Dr Mervyn Stockwood, the socialist Bishop of Southwark. An approach was to be made by a KGB official at a party in London, hosted by Gordon McLennan, the general secretary of the Communist Party in Britain. Mr McLennan asked Dr Stockwood why the Church of England did not attend progressive meetings and demonstrations, to which Dr Stockwood replied: "We don't see you at demonstrations at the Soviet embassy." With that the KGB gave up. According to Col Mitrokhin, the KGB viewed the agent codenamed Dan as probably its most reliable agent of influence during the 1960s. But when he was put on ice after the expulsion of 105 KGB agents from London in 1971, he refused to resume contact. Dan is now alleged to be Richard Clements, a former Tribunite writer and aide to Neil Kinnock, the former Labour Party leader. Vic Allen, a former economics professor at Leeds University, is also alleged to have been an agent of the East German secret service, the Stasi. His views were well known as being left of Arthur Scargill, the miners' leader. But he was on the national council of CND, and is said to have made CND less hostile to the Soviets. If that is true he would have been an excellent "agent of influence". The KGB Moscow Centre was always suspicious that its foreign residencies were exaggerating their own influence. KGB field officers, like most in the spy world, were not above claiming an occasional contact was a full agent. Many British "agents" would probably be mortified to discover they have a KGB or Stasi file and codename after a few conversations with a Soviet "diplomat". Agents proper may also make things up either to keep their controllers happy or to milk them of money. Graham Greene brilliantly demonstrated the dangers of believing everything your agents tell you in Our Man in Havana and John Le Carre, less successfully, in The Tailor of Panama. Academics were recruited because they were very useful for
[CTRL] Balkan Balk?
-Caveat Lector- From emperors-clothes.com Was Europe the real target in the bombing of Serbia? The following article is intriguing. In it, Tanjug, news agency of the left-leaning Yugoslav government, comments on an article in Area, magazine of the conservative Italian party, the National Alliance. The article concerns Washington's economic motives in the Balkans. What is striking is it appears that Tanjug and Area agree. Is this indicative of a growing European awareness of Washington's goals? [Note: The Tanjug article came to Emperors-clothes.com in translation from Serbo-Croatian. It has been edited for readability. The content has not been altered. Some notes, concerning trade routes, have been added. Please feel free to distribute but please include all text including this message. Thanks.] *** Rome, September 17, 1999 (Tanjug) - From the geopolitical point of view, Yugoslavia is the central country on the Balkans map. Moreover it is most attractive for its production and consuming potentials. This is argued in the comment of Area, magazine of the Italian National Alliance. The Alliance, together with other parties of the opposition and right-center block in the Italian parliament, played a disgraceful role in supporting the NATO war against Yugoslavia. In the latest issue, Area throws new light on that war. Enitled "Pact for Balkans (non)Stability", the article points out that shrewd observers of the recent "Great Westerners" meeting in Sarajevo could not miss a huge missing piece: Yugoslavia wasn't allowed. Its exclusion and NATO bombing, had been arranged in Washington. As usual, the Europeans were reduced to the role of yes-men. How can the reconstruction of Yugoslavia be conceived without -- Yugoslavia? asks Area. Important land and water routes pass through Yugoslavia. These provide real and potential lines of communication between Europe, the Middle East in Asia, the North Sea and the Caucasus-Caspian zone. Those are the places with largest oil resources in the world. Thus leaving Yugoslavia out of the reconstruction of the Balkans could damage Europe more then Yugoslavia. Area argues that NATO's attack on Yugoslavia aimed to achieve by force something American diplomacy could not: occupation of Yugoslavia, as Annex B of the Rambouillet Accord openly demanded. We might raise another question: why have Washington strategists tried so hard to occupy the Yugoslavia through the weapon of economic blackmail and through the mobilization of an internal, pro-American opposition in Serbia? This alliance, stimulated by a flood of U.S. dollars and by the Serbian opposition's foolish illusion that Washington was motivated by friendship was destroyed by NATO bombs. Washington cares about strategic targets, based on the geopolitical, geoeconomical and geostrategic properties of Yugoslavia. A direct objective of the Washington strategists was the literal destruction of the commercial-traffic route called Corridor Ten. It goes from Budapest, Hungary in the north via Belgrade to Salonika, a major port and Greece's second largest city, in the south. This is the shortest, most logical, the most economical connection between Western Europe and the Middle East. The Danube water route is equally important. It connects the North Sea with the Black Sea and the Caucasus-Caspian zone. This vitally important Euro-Asian route was first drastically narrowed by sanctions imposed by the U.S. regime against Yugoslavia. And now the Danube water route has been virtually broken due to NATO's bombing of the bridges across the Danube in Novi Sad. US policy has opposed developing Corridor Ten for some time, particularly building an oil pipeline from the Rumanian port of Constanta to Trieste, Italy. This line would enable Europe to get oil directly from Russia without American intermediaries. It would open a entirely new doorway, allowing Russian access to the furthest European markets. It would bypass the only presently existing doorway - the Straits of Bosporus, the necessity of using which currently allows Turkey to impose blackmailing restrictions. Washington's strategy in Rome and Paris is to encourage the development of Corridor Eight, from the Bulgarian port of Varna, via Skopje in Macedonia, to Durres on the Albanian coast across the Adriatic Sea from Italy. In Paris, pro-American lobbyists have been showing only the indirect "advantages" of this project, giving incentive to a chronic and poorly hidden anti-American mood, because any closing of Corridor Ten would cause a lot of problems for the Germans. They would not have the opportunity to spread Southeast, towards Central Asia and the Middle East, as they have dreamed of doing for a century. Meanwhile in Rome, pro-American lobbyists are counting on the geographic ignorance of people in government. They have been "explaining" to them that Corridor Eight is more realistic and more
Re: [CTRL] Giant morgue prepared for New Year disasters
-Caveat Lector- More than 2m people are expected to line the banks of the Thames to celebrate the arrival of the 21st century. Well, then they have a year to go, since the new century (and hence the new millenium) doesn't begin until Jan. 1, 2001. It's a shame to see the mistaken notion that the 20th century (and current millenium) ends THIS year perpetuated in the mainstream media. But if the media can't get this simple scientific fact straight, then that if proof that we should question all the other 'facts' they disseminate... June (realizing pointing out the 'new century' error is a losing battle) *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The myth of the liberal campus (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-19 22:31:39 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The purging of dissidence within the universities continues to this day. More frequent but less visible than the firings are the nonhirings. Highly qualified social scientists who are also known progressives have applied for positions at places too numerous to mention, only to be turned down in favor of candidates who--as measured by their training, publications, and teaching experience--are far less qualified. Scholars of a dissident bent are regularly discriminated against in the distribution of research grants and scholar ships. After writing "The Power Elite," C. Wright Mills was abruptly cut off from foundation funding. To this day, radical academics are rarely considered for appointments within their professional associations and are regularly passed over for prestigious lecture invitations and appointments to editorial boards of the more influential professional journals. Gee, thanks for the reminder ... And here I was, starting to take more seriously my wife's suggestion that I return to school, get a higher degree, and teach, while developing a reputation as a scholar ... Yeah, right -- like they'd ALLOW an iconoclast like *me* to have tenure ... ROFL I take issue with the author of this piece, however, on his rather sweeping claim that the "conservatization" of the university system is as near-total as he makes it sound. He didn't tell you, for example, that the aforementioned Angela Davies, after being denied tenure everywhere else, finally found a home at MY alma mater, San Francisco State U. (once rivalling UC Berkeley in radicalism, and still proud of it), now an EXTREMELY PC institution, where the polar opposite of his thesis was the rule, speaking from first-hand experience. (My description could be confirmed by the Old Lefties among the school's administrators, with whom I used to hang out, sharing shudders as we contemplated the icy ideologism and quasi-fascist conduct of this "New Guard.") To win my degree in interdisciplinary Soc Sci and graduate second in my class with a 4.0 GPA --in THAT major (I was a double major, the other being Clin Psy, where faculty bias was even more rampant)-- I'd frequently had to go over the heads of martinet PC professors to more rational and seasoned department heads to get a fair hearing and a less "ideological" appraisal of my papers, which, in subject matter, were sometimes controversial (to PC eyes) but flawlessly researched by other criteria of scholarship. So, personal experience in this one particular academic discipline --the field perhaps MOST vulnerable to political pressure (sometimes brute but often subtler and more insidious) from the "social engineering"-minded "New Left"-- leaves no doubt in my mind that there IS a quite influential and powerful PC "counterculture" in academia today -- but it IS mostly confined to certain niches (e.g., the STATE university system in some places like Kalifornia and increasingly popular "women's" colleges like Antioch) which capital-A Academia (still defined by the Ivy League campuses for the next-generation conservative elite and corporate Business Schools like MIT) holds in some disrepute, and it IS a minority point of view -- although, I must emphasize, it is a vocal and highly ORGANIZED one, making up for its small size by its stronger "networking" throughout academia and its strategy for making its "truths" appear more substantial than they are and more widely held, using two means: (1) ignoring the existence of any other point of view in overview, and (2) citing only its own "authorities," who only quote each other, incestuously and in "separatist" fashion. (Mirrors reflecting mirrors, till just a few voices sound like a great multitude.) And also, by their wanton disregard of rules in social science against falsifying data and against over-extrapolating conclusions from small and biased samplings -- rules they deliberately (and secretively) break in the name of "furthering The Cause" -- thereby MANUFACTURING and REINFORCING those very "variables" which they only claim to be "studying." Which is why earlier I used the term "social engineering" -- a nod to their "Social CONSTRUCTION of Reality" hypothesis, hallowed as epistemological dogma by these Politically Correct "social scientists." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] The Return of O.H. Krill...
-Caveat Lector- Is this alien Krill any relation to Jack Krill, my 10th grade English teacher? __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: WACO: Women Children's Tomb
-Caveat Lector- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WACO: Women Children's Tomb What was a tank doing to the room where 41 women and children died in Waco, Texas? Discover the shocking and hideous truth: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/wacoroom.htm The Concrete Tomb (c) 1999 Ian Williams Goddard In Waco, Texas, April 19, 1993, forty one women and children died in a concrete room often called "the bunker" wherein they sought protection from a tank and gas attack by the Federal Government on their home, the Mount Carmel Center. The concrete room shall heretofore be called "the room." The room was located directly below the central tower of the Mt Carmel Center. In the following Forward Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) images we can see that a tank has penetrated the Center directly in line with the room. The FBI had intimate knowledge of the interior of the Center, and with bugs inside, should have known where people were. The tank penetrates deeply inside several times, headed directly toward the room (the bright area at the rear of the tank is hot-engine exhaust). The tank goes in and out several times, and goes in slightly deeper than seen above. What is it doing? The tank, equipped with a large plow, is invariably plowing demolished debris of the building and its interior furnishings up against the front of the room, creating a large barrier of hazardous debris in front of the door to the room, as we can see in this illustration. The autopsy report states that one person died of traumatic injuries directly in front of the room. Some media reports suggested that the holes made by tanks would facilitate easy egress from the building, but in fact, as the illustration shows, the wreckage created by the tanks would do the very opposite. Plowing a large mass of debris directly in front of the door to the room would serve only to impede escape, particularly for small children, from a room that was shortly to become a fire-baked oven. The tank was creating a death trap. Sealing the fait of the women and children inside the room even further was the fact that the doorway had no door and by that time most occupants should have been overcome by the knockout effects of methylene chloride, the main CS-power carrier (see 7). The tank seen above even fired CS gas while it was inside. With these facts in mind, the claim in the Department of Justice report that the forty one women and children in the concrete room could have escaped if they wanted to is a horrific farce. COMING SOON: Did A Bomb Kill People Inside The Concrete Tomb? WACO HOLOCAUST GODDARDS JOURNAL GODDARDS HOME PAGE *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Every Diet Has Failed! What Can I do? Click Below to "Ask Dr. Kathleen"! http://www.radiantdiet.com/cgi-bin/slim/deliver.cgi?ask-1364 *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Back to the CCCP
-Caveat Lector- The political and economic elite in _ consider the numerous reports and exposures of financial corruption to be part of a deliberate campaign to discredit _, in particular the big industrial enterprises and banks. Many see X and his supporters as potential victims of this campaign. Irrespective of their differences, all of the factions within the ruling elite in have an interest in strengthening the hand of the state, and boosting the power of the military and police when it comes to resolving political problems. Under conditions of instability and mass panic it is possible to impose measures which would be unthinkable under normal" conditions. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Help!
Dogonit! You guys did this to me a few days ago, too! Didn'tanswer my e-mails requesting help and forced me to reregister using another name (since I had no idea what else could be wrong then, either). This time, however, I'm getting a "cookies" problem screen. I don't know what to do about it as I haven't changed anything and I was posting and scooting around ok just last night. So what's up already? Please help resolve this as I'm at a critical point following my meager investments and need to stay in touch and connected with the thread I'm following. Thanks, Phil Chapman, "Chappamano", Password "Burr" PS Going out now to play "dogball", i. e. very bad tennis. Sure hope I can post (and scoot around) when I get back.
[CTRL] The myth of the liberal campus
-Caveat Lector- Seems to me "progressives" (Left Hegelians) would be advised to keep quiet else more citizens will learn the truth and pressure Congress and State Legislatures to cut funding. . Under the Gramsci Marxist flag and PC nonsense they already have a grip on most Universities,. the Right Hegelians have a grip on the others. In my experience ( Gottingen,London,UCLA, Cal State Los Angeles, Stanford) either left or right Hegelians run the show. I had problems 30-40 years ago. Today I would not apply for ANYTHING, entry, tenure, research money. Independent minded scholars are automatically pushed out the door. Just say "no" and ignore the system. Since I was thrown out of Hoover Institution Stanford 30 years ago for writing a book that was independent and truthful (BEST ENEMY MONEY CANBUY) I find the only route is to use the enterprise system (or whats left of it) to finance personal academic work... You have to be full of energy and stubborn but it can be done. To show you how hypocritical these Hegelians are. Hoover Press has kept the first 3 volumes of my WEST TECH in print for 32 years.(without paying a penny in royalties)... while I was thrown out of Hoover for writing the 4th volume.sequel. Both left and right Hegelians were in agreement. I was a problem to be silenced. The Left doesnt like me becuase I exposed their darling the Soviet Union(the failure of socialist "planning"} and the Right because I threatened the profits of corporations propping up the Soviet Union. ( (To havea big military budget you have to have an enemy) Today I doubt anyone, even someone with the obvious talents of Das Goat could make it through the maze without an ability to act schizoid for long periods..But you dont need the. system. Want a fancy piece of paper. ? to demonstrate "qualifications". There are ways ot get these tickets to mediocrity without too much sweat. There are flaws in the system. Any ways who would want to live in a system with PC running the show. ?/ A mind numbing gulagwe all have to think alike and be alike..that make it easier to control. The progressives have become fascists and the corporate fascists have become socialists. This will be their downfall in time.t ANTONY C SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: KLA UNITS Hunt down Serbs
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 2:52 AM Subject: [sn-vesti 23702] KLA UNITS Hunt down Serbs The picture in today's Washington Times disgusted me to no end. It is a picture of the KLA marching through the streets of Pristina, a bunch of narco-terrorists who have been given Serbia's Jerusalem only through the efforts of the man in the White House. The following dispatch from AFP literally made me ill to my stomach. We took Serbia's holy land from Christian Serbs and turned it over to fanatic Muslim Albanians. We have to be insane for doing this, but when you look at the bunch running the White House, you have to know that it is the inmates running the insane asylum. I suggest you forward the AFP dispatch to your representatives, for all the good it will do. After all, in their minds, the Serbs deserve it! Even the old women, and the nuns, and the priests and mentally ill women, the decapitations, drownings, stabbings, the mutilations! This is the true character of the terrorist KLA, the real barbarians. A big thing is being made of the fact that the KLA is meeting the target date of turning in their weapons - not so. It really doesn't matter anyway, because we are going to turn around and rearm these same terrorists, so what't the big deal? Stella ---begin forward message- "He, like many KLA officers, says openly that he dreams of a Kosovo without Serbs." KLA UnitsSpecialized In Hunting Down Serbs PRISTINA, Serbia, Sep 19, 1999 -- (Agence France Presse) The Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which officially disbands Sunday, had special "Serb-hunting" units operating even after international peacekeeping troops arrived here in June, according to two KLA members. The special KLA units "forced the Serbs out of their homes and took them off to kill them in discreet places as far away as was possible," said one of th e KLA special unit members "But, if they put up any resistance, they mowed them down on the spot." said the rebel officer, whose nom de guerre is "the teacher". "Our group of seven men would go to the Serbs, house by house, and give them between 15 and 30 minutes to get out," the 'teacher' explained. "Then in came the mopping-up team, 13 of them, with the job of executing those who stayed behind," he added. The mopping-up team were "real professionals," said the burly 46-year-old with a Colt 45 pistol protruding from a jacket pocket. The Kosovo capital of Pristina was "split into four zones, each with four units that are still at work today. We have been working in the eastern districts. But now the job has become more complicated because of KFOR which is protecting the Serbs," he added. On June 21 the KLA signed an agreement with NATO to "demilitarize". This forced the KLA to change its tactics to more covert action. "We go to see the neighbors of any recalcitrant Serb and they pass on the ultimatum. Whatever happens, they end up coming out of their homes. Even if we can't kill them, we can give them a good beating," the KLA fighter said. KFOR, he added, "will never be able to protect the Serbs 24 hours a day and it has never picked up any of our men." Another KLA officer in the eastern Kosovo town of Urosevac admitted that his mission was to intimidate Serbs but refused to give any details. The second man added that any Albanian helping the Serbs "deserves the death sentence". This account of systematic intimidation by ethnic Albanians was confirmed by members of the NATO-led KFOR peacekeeping force that moved into Kosovo following the end NATO's bombing campaign against Yugoslavia on June 12. Sergeant-Major Brian Johnson of the 1st Battalion of the Royal Irish Regimen t contingent in KFOR, which is responsible for protecting minorities, confirme d the KLA officers' stories. There were "small elements of the KLA groups who pretend to be police, who have forged police cards, who are armed and even have offices," he said. Added to this were "many criminals who claim to belong to be KLA". Out of a Serb population of some 5,000 in Pristina before the NATO strikes began in March, only 1,000-2,000 remain, according to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). KFOR estimates that two to three families pack up and leave Pristina every day. Out of 170 Kosovar Albanians jailed by KFOR since it arrived to bring peace, "more than half were put away because of intimidation or violence against Serbs," Johnson said, describing cases of kidnapping and of elderly Serb women beaten or raped. Johnson, who said his battalion received an average of 30 distress calls a day from Serbs just after the war, compared with five now, summed up the KLA intimidation methods in much the same way as "the Teacher". 'The teacher' now lives with his eight children in the home of a Serb whom h e said he had threatened to kill. "My KLA
[CTRL] A Serving Nation (ASN) Women's World Summit Foundation proposal and GPW2000 endorsement
-Caveat Lector- "A Serving Nation" (ASN) Women's World Summit Foundation Proposal and Global Peace Walk 2000 support letter/message. From: Powermac7500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Crockett Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Global Peace Walk2000 http://www.globalpeacenow.org Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 4:51 AM Thank you for your email message and invitation to send our endorsement and appeal for "Global Peace Now!". We are happy to do so, and wish to offer the following message to be carried by Global Peace Walk2000.ed. -- Women's World Summit Foundation's "A Serving Nation" Proposal -- MOVING FROM WARRING NATIONS TO: "A SERVING NATION" -- A concept which we launched during the Hague Appeal for Peace conference and which is being disseminated for people to step forward to join, to be a member of, a NEW NATION WITHOUT ANY TERRITORY OR ARMY, a VIRTUAL NATION OF WORLD SERVERS who contribute to building a world that works for all. You may wish to visit our web site and get the full text www.serving-nation.com This is an answer to spiritualizing the United Nations, and we agree that without spiritual context, and values, we cannot move forward. Answer to Spiritualizing the United Nations, Text: The idea of "A Serving Nation" (ASN) is an expression of a global consciousness. We are witnessing that the world community is not on track with commitments made for a just world. ASN could become the new democracy, the next step in evolution expressed by indivuals who understand that world service is a solution. NGOs represent about 250 million people around the world, and every day new ones are being created. Civil Society is creating "A Peaceful Revolution" to catalyze a quantum leap into a new civilisation: Peaceful, global, just, demilitarised and deprofitized. The MISSION: ASN does not aim at being one more humanitarian organisation. It simple aims at helping its citizens function where they are, but with a new consciousness and understanding that... ...the solution to the world's problems does not reside in better technologies, cleverer organizations, greater freedom of world markets, and other similar approaches, but... ...in the worldwide dissemination of a spirit of disinterested service, respect for Human Rights and integrity of action. In the long run, ASN could end up with the creation of a "Community of consciousness" which would turn into a spiritual U.N. family - the term "spiritual", meaning, here, values of the spirit without any attachment to a religious institution. The key element of the strategy of ASN will always be a spirit of selfless service rendered with joy. Without this spirit, ASN has no reason to exist. For more information contact the Women's World Summit Foundation which serves as the secretariat. * Women's World Summit Foundation * * Fondation Sommet Mondial des Femmes * * Elly Pradervand - Founding Director * * P.O. Box 2001Tel: ++41 22 738.66.19 * * 1211 Geneva 1Fax: ++41 22 738.82.48 * * Switzerland - Suisse e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990920a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No Theosophists were incinerated during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ New 'Dykes to Watch Out For' cartoon: http://www.washblade.com/forum/cartoons/dykes/990917a.htm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Magnets bring zero gravity down to Earth. NEW YORK (Reuters) Free-floating frogs are 'pioneers' in research that may someday let us float effortless- ly in space - right here on Earth. "In our experiments, we levitated prac- tically everything at hand, from pieces of cheese and pizza to living creatures including frogs and a mouse." Using forces of "diamagnetism:" http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990917/hl/mag4_1.html : D'ya prefer real or virtual antigravity? D'ya like to float? Is it fun? Do you float often? Are you floating at this moment? Do you fall much? Where?? # If a big-time scientific or scholarly journal publishes a new theory, it's probably wrong. In fact, it's almost certainly wrong: http://www.slate.com/Economics/99-09-15/Economics.asp _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # GAY BIRDS PARENT TOGETHER AT ZOO. Zoo keepers involved in an ambitious breeding program for endangered Griffin vultures are getting a helping hand from a vulture couple that, ironically, doesn't breed. Keepers noted that Dashik and Yahuda, two male vultures at Jerusalem Biblical Zoo, had built a nest together and were mating. So they decided to give the couple an artificial egg to see what would happen. Dashik and Yahuda are good parents: http://cnn.com/NATURE/9909/18/gay.vulture.parents/index.html : Do gender roles control parenting? Does gender preference determine value? Were your parents better or worse than two gay vultures? Are you a good egg? # Gender stereotypes: it turns out that we don't impose them on our children after all. They impose them on us: http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990904/newsstory2.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ PROTECT US! When, on his way home from work, a Chesapeake TV-shop owner encountered an occupied "flying saucer," little did he expect that this classic "UFO abduction" would fuel a controversy now reaching its peak with the prospect of a lawsuit against Virginia Gov. James Gilmore for his failure to acknowledge and to repel this invasion of our air space and private space. http://caus.org/mc091899.htm : Have you ever sued a govt for failing to protect you from UFOs? Did you win? Have UFOs ever harmed you? Are UFOs worse than lawyers? Which ones? # When a scientist fakes his data, peers ought to catch him out. But what of the supposed link between electromagnetic fields and cancer? http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/OPINION/t76909.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Totally MAD. (AP) Next time you suspect someone of being an off-planet alien, ask them to identify the most famous saying of Alfred E. Neuman, and if they don't respond "What - me worry?" call the cops. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990906/tc/compubug_mad_1.html : If you're not MAD-savvy, are you an ET or just culturally illiterate? Are you an ET? With what cultures aren't you conversant? Can you fake humanity? @ Want to become a leading French intellectual, jetting to conferences where American academics worship at you feet? Just follow these simple instructions: http://www.linguafranca.com/9909/inside.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # PERSONAL CONTACT EXPERIENCEs (PCEs) - Unseen Forces. I had an experience last night. I was asleep (sleeping on my back) and I got a "sensation." I've had these before (probably dozens of times by now). I feel like some force pulls me. Usually it feels like something is attacking me and I am usually pulled up into the air feet first. But this time it pulled me up forward but then quickly down - like my body was pivoted at the point of my waist. http://caus.org/pc091899.htm : Have you ever been pulled by unseen forces? Were you awake? Did the forces ever release you? Are you still in their grasp? Are you awake now? Why not? @ Carl Sagan combined integrity, generosity, and a polemical style that advanced his quiet dissection of the follies and fancies of our times: http://www.sciam.com/1999/0999issue/0999reviews1.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ TOPOLOGICAL GEOMETRODYNAMICS AND CONSCIOUSNESS. The basic assumption of T(opological) G(eometro)D(ynamics) is that physical spacetimes are representable as surfaces of a certain 8-dimensional space M4+ x CP2, where M4+ is the future light cone of Minkowski space and CP2 is complex projective space of two complex dimensions. In the following the basic ideas of a TGD inspired theory of consciousness are described shortly. http://www.teleport.com/~rhett/quantum-d/posts/matti_6-25-96.html : Is your consciousness a quantum effect? Is "free
[CTRL] World Bank and Malaysia...A Startling Reversal
-Caveat Lector- STRATFOR.COM Global Intelligence Update Weekly Analysis Septemer 20, 1999 World Bank Reverses Position on Financial Controls and on Malaysia Summary: The World Bank reversed its opposition to short-term capital controls and announced that Malaysia's experiment with capital controls was, in effect, a success. Since the World Bank acts on the distilled essence of conventional wisdom, this means that the international financial community no longer regards either capital control or Malaysia's prime minister as taboo. The most important short-term consequence of this change will be on Japan, which has toyed with the idea of capital controls. But more importantly in the long run, the rehabilitation of Mahathir from lunatic to visionary will bring his other ideas into play. Of particular importance is his idea of a regional Asian bloc excluding the United States, based on the yen and Japan, with capital controls as a regional management tool. Neither of these outcomes is intended by the World Bank or the IMF, but both are the embodiment of the unintended consequence. Analysis: The World Bank has executed an important and somewhat startling reversal of position on Malaysia's use of capital controls to solve its economic problems. Joseph Stiglitz, the World Bank's chief economist, said Sept. 15, "There has been a fundamental change in mindset on the issue of short-term capital flows and these kind of interventions - a change in the mind set that began two years ago." He went on to say that "in the context of Malaysia and the quick recovery in Malaysia, the fact that the adverse effects that were predicted - some might say that some people wished upon Malaysia - did not occur is also and important lesson." These were not casual remarks. They were made during the presentation of a key World Bank annual document, the "World Development Review," and were meant to be taken seriously. Indeed, Stiglitz's comments came a week after the International Monetary Fund (IMF) praised Malaysia for its skillful handling of capital controls. These comments represent a fundamental shift in the international economic establishment's understanding of how that system works. The economists at the World Bank and the IMF are not particularly original or imaginative, and their track record in predicting and managing the twists and turns of the international system is not, to say the least, impressive. Thus, viewing their policy shifts as contributions to economic theory is not particularly useful. Stiglitz and his colleagues at the World Bank and the IMF are not people who go out on the limb with dramatically novel idea. They like to move with the herd. That is what makes Stiglitz's statement extraordinarily important. It shows that the herd is making one of its periodic migrations. The World Bank's chief economist doesn't lead the convention. He is a superbly sensitive weather vane - he follows it. During the 1960s and 1970s, the World Bank was committed to massive, government-run infrastructure projects, reflecting the conventional economic wisdom at the time that the state is the appropriate engine for economic growth, at least in the developing world. During the 1980s, when the conventional system shifted to the view that the free market was the most efficient means of capital allocation and economic growth, the World Bank slowly and painfully shifted again. They stuck with the free market position throughout the Asian meltdown. Now, two years after the bloodbath, they are slowly shifting again, not only endorsing capital controls, but praising their own arch- nemesis, Malaysia's Mahathir. Stiglitz is following the new conventional wisdom: capital controls are chic. Whether capital controls are good or bad doesn't really matter. What matters is that they have been accepted by a highly politicized, extremely powerful segment of the international community that the World Bank/IMF complex is part of and serves. This is the international financial community, understood as the national bankers, the leading international banks and the political elites to which they connect. Stiglitz's comments reveal that the 20-year love affair with a purely free market approach to international financial flows is, if not coming to an end, nevertheless being severely modified. There are now cases in which market regulations are not only tolerable, but also a good idea. This will lead to interesting debates among economists, most of whom will argue that controls create inefficiencies that will retard recoveries and damage economies. The problem is that these economists tend to approach these issues from an isolated angle. Stratfor's view has been that economic crises increase the pressure on governments to take steps that stabilize the situation in the short run, even if they affect the economy negatively in the long run. For example, assume that political chaos is something to be avoided. Assume further that the
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fort Worth Shooter Reported Linked to Ultra-Fascist Hate Group
-Caveat Lector- (from: http://www.cnn.com/US/9909/17/church.shooting.03/index.html Tapes, letters reveal gunman's chilling actions, thoughts) snip "The Houston Chronicle published a report Friday that Ashbrook might have been a member of a group that advocates killing Jews. "John Craig, co-author of an academic study of hate groups, said Ashbrook boasted in 1996 he was a member of a group called the Phineas Priests." snip Curious then that Ashbrook was allegedly gunning down Christians while denouncing them as WELL as Masons and other organizations. Especially when you consider that Wedgwood is the Jewish neigborhood of Fort Worth. Directly across the freeway from Wedgwood Baptist is a very large synagogue. Mack White DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Waco: Answers darker than the questions? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- From: Washington Times-September 20, 1999 Answers darker than the questions? By Lawrence Criner Former Sen. John Danforth has been appointed fireman to put out the flames that continue to burn over the Davidian Compound in Waco, Texas. . . . . That may be hard to do. . . . . What if the official record was cooked to obscure the truth of what happened at Waco? What if agents were explicitly told not to generate the standard reports required by law so that a paper trail of their actions wouldn't come back and later bite them? . . . . Documents show this happened, which explains why new evidence continues to surface that suggest there's a lot more to the Waco story than originally believed. . . . . As Mr. Danforth begins his inquiry, he might want to look at the public record, specifically Tim Evans' testimony on July 21, 1995, before the joint House Subcommittees on Crime and National Security that conducted the last hearings on Waco. Mr. Evans' statement goes into those "dark questions" at the heart of Mr. Danforth's investigation. . . . . Mr. Evans is a Texas defense attorney who cleared British citizen Norman Allison of false charges that he conspired to murder federal agents in Waco on the morning of the botched raid. . . . . At the Waco hearings, Mr. Evans furnished sensitive government memoranda that showed prosecutors had instructed federal investigators not to generate any unfavorable material about "what went wrong" that might make them the subject in an inquest. . . . . Contrary to basic law enforcement procedure, not one of the ATF agents at Waco made a written report of his observations or conduct during the Feb. 28, 1993, raid, according to Mr. Evans. . . . . Robert M. McNamara at ATF headquarters suggests why in an interoffice memorandum dated April 14, 1993. He writes, "DOJ does not want Treasury to conduct any interviews or have discussions with any of the participants, who may be potential witnesses; the prosecutors do not want us to generate additional Jencks, Brady or Gigolo material or oral statements which could be used for impeachment." In other words, prosecutors don't want a damaging record of the agents' activities at Waco that they would have to give to defense attorneys. . . . . A memo from Ron Noble, then assistant secretary for enforcement at the Treasury Department, dated April 9, 1993, also indicates pressure on Treasury from the Justice Department. He writes, "Web Hubbell, associate attorney general [designate], is so concerned about the potential impact of our review . . . that he plan[s] to raise it directly with the president. . . . [I]f we don't throw some 'bone' to the Justice Department . . . this may exacerbate Hubbell's concerns." . . . . Just what the White House's role was in Waco has never been clearly determined. One thing is certain, Clinton confidant Vince Foster died thinking he was responsible for what happened, his wife reported. . . . . Another memorandum from Sarah Elizabeth Jones, also at Treasury, refers to the decision not to make routine reports about the initial raid. It states, "ATF initiates a shooting review. David Troy and Bill Wood interview [agents] Rodriguez and Mastin (3/1), Chojnacki (3/3), Cavanaugh (3/3), Sarabyn (3/2). Troy tells Review they immediately determined that these stories did not add up.[Italics added] (Note -- Johnston at this point advised Hartnett to stop the ATF shooting review because ATF was creating Brady material.)" . . . . What federal officials are talking about is sanitizing the record so we'll only learn their version of Waco. . . . . These memoranda not only raise serious questions of legality but they may explain why vital exculpatory material now surfacing was hidden even from Congress. . . . . At the time Mr. Evans revealed these disturbing documents, Justice Department aides were in the congressional hearing room passing out a curious press release from Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division Jo Ann Harris, who described these deceptive practices as merely "Prosecution 101." Little wonder the whole story about Waco is still unknown. . . . . It is inconceivable Janet Reno didn't know about all this -- if she didn't, who's in charge? Either way, she should resign to let somebody else restore trustworthiness to her office. . . . . No doubt more is to come out as the surviving Davidians have their day in court. . . . . There was a plethora of ATF cameras on the morning of the raid. Many agents carried personal cameras; three agents in the helicopters had video cameras. However, very little film has been produced of the raid or the ensuing standoff although many investigators have requested it. When Mr. Evans asked for the tapes and photos, he was told there were none, and the only explanation given was that the cameras must have malfunctioned. Then there's other missing evidence, too, such as the compound's big metal front door that could prove if the ATF shot first.
[CTRL] Fw: ThirdAge Web Guide-abolishing the draft?
-Caveat Lector- I thought this was odd. Does anyone have any ideas on what this really means, or what's going on? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 2:44 AM Subject: ThirdAge Web Guide : : Speak Out: Abolish the Draft? : Is it time for the military draft to disappear? Congress has : dropped funding for the Selective Service System in next year's : appropriations bill. : http://www.thirdage.com/news/archive/ALT01990920-04.html?std : : To unsubscribe from this newsletter, simply update your ThirdAge : newsletter profile at the ThirdAge Newsstand: : : http://www.thirdage.com/news/newsstand/index.html?webguide : : If you have story ideas for the ThirdAge Web Guide please send them : to [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : This newsletter is published by Third Age Media. Third Age Media provides : this information as a service to subscribers without warranty of any kind : and accepts no consequences of its use. : : (c) 1999 Third Age Media, Inc. All rights reserved. : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: Y2K Tojan Horse (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- This is real, i.e., no haox. Pax, Mike From: http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/312768.asp Y2K e-mail bears Trojan horse Microsoft Corp. says customers are receiving a Year 2000-related e-mail purporting to be from [EMAIL PROTECTED] An attachment includes a Trojan horse that, when executed, takes a user's personal information, including password, login and user name. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #2
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SkeptiNews 990920b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question
: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No InterNet sex was solicited to produce this bulletin. Not yet, anyway.
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# The Myth of the Pocket Protector. Hollywood TV perpetuate the stereotype
that techies are socially inept, four-eyed freaks. One expert says it's
hurting the industry and threatening America's future. Studly nerds and
Geeks-R-Us: http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/21830.html
: Are'ya nerdly, studly, grrlish, hot? Is it kewl to be smart? Are nerd/geek
stereotypes promoted by foreign powers determined to undermine US dominance?
# Intelligence is the subtle creation of social interactions within culture
- it's not a mere genetic endowment. We should thus ban all IQ testing:
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990904/whatmakesu.html
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# A Decade Old and Getting Weirder. KANSAS CITY, Mo. (BUS.WIRE) "Two green-
faced aliens were seen reading 'Chuck Shepherd's News of the Weird' in a
downtown Toledo coffee shop right before pulling ray guns and demanding
double lattes to go, to be made only from coffee beans pre-digested by
Asian animals." http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990920/mo_news_of_1.html
: What animals do you prefer to pre-digest your coffee beans? Are you alien?
Have you ever pulled a ray-gun? Have you ever drunk lattes? Are you quick??
@ The idea that the broom serves you, that we can make slaves of
our machines, isn't a product of science but a relic of magic:
http://www.newstatesman.co.uk/199908230033.htm
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# ELECTROCHROMATIC PANELS Being Tested At Groom Lake/AREA 51? There are
quite a number of new technologies being researched, developed and tested
at various leading-edge defense contractor facilities, for example, at
Groom Lake/AREA 51's highly compartmentalized, multi-faceted conglomerate
complexes. Besides a new generation of VTOL-based UAVs (Unmanned Aerial
Vehicles - remotely-controlled surveillance platforms, some of which may
be disk-shaped), there are ongoing development and testing of electro-
chromatic panels as part of innovations relevant to "daytime-stealth"
capabilities. http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/electrochrom.htm
: Are you electrochromatic? What's your default color? Have you researched,
developed and/or tested any new technologies lately? Are they secret? Why?
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# Attack of the Frankenfish. Don't worry, they're harmless, say creators
of genetically modified salmon. Consumer groups wonder, What are they
trying to feed us? http://wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21831.html
: Do you prefer gene.mod animals? Do gene.mod animals prefer you? Have you
ever been genetically modified? Does it show? Are you tasty, toxic, trendy?
# A Big Show of Tiny Technologies. Microsystems created for the nation's
defense can also be handy around the house. Just think, your own toxic
gas scanner. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/21829.html
: Do you prefer microtech or macrotech? Is smaller better? Are you smaller?
What gasses would you like to scan? Should tiny sensors be implanted in you?
@ Slaveholders of the South saw slavery in context of the biblical
household: unequals united for a common good. But good for whom?
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9908/reviews/hittinger.html
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@ SKUNKWORKS MAGIC. How a handful of men broke the rules and created the
world's most amazing high-tech weaponry. Building Planes - Building Myths
- Suntan ("Stealth Blimp") - Aurora - The Fastest Plane - Future Planes.
http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/sci/9909STMIP.html
: What's your favorite hi-tech weapon? Have you ever flown a stealth blimp?
Have you ever broken Mach 10? Did you have to pay for it? Are you stealthy?
# Freed Form. The generation of architects known for its unbuildable
computer renderings is ready to shape the real world. Look out!
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.09/architecture.html
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# Gargantuan Iceberg Bobs Toward Argentina's Shores. BUENOS AIRES (Reuters)
A gigantic iceberg 6 times the size of Buenos Aires is drifting aimlessly
toward Argentina's southern coastline after breaking off Antarctica seven
years ago. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990920/09/odd-iceberg
# Striking Back At Biological Invaders. Lurking in the water ballast of an
ocean-going ship, hiding in a packing crate, or deliberately imported to
satisfy a human desire, exotic species are routinely transported into new
habitats where they can invade and disrupt native ecosystems.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/09/990917081740.htm
: Have you been invaded lately? Has a giant iceberg crashed into you lately?
Would'ya rather be invaded by animals, plants, icebergs, aliens, robots, me?
[CTRL] US trained butchers of Timor (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Sorry if this is the same article that was already posted to ctrl under this topic. I only skimmed the other and seem to remember it from a US news service? Better safe than... MS] The Guardian US trained butchers of Timor Exclusive: Washington trained death squads in secret while Britain has spent £1m helping Indonesian army Ed Vulliamy in New York and Antony Barnett Sunday September 19, 1999 Indonesian military forces linked to the carnage in East Timor were trained in the United States under a covert programme sponsored by the Clinton Administration which continued until last year. The Observer can also disclose that the Government has spent about £1 million in training more than 50 members of the Indonesian military in Britain since it came to power. Human rights campaigners claim a number of these are likely to have links with those complicit in the attrocities. The US programme, codenamed 'Iron Balance', was hidden from legislators and the public when Congress curbed the official schooling of Indonesia's army after a massacre in 1991. Principal among the units that continued to be trained was the Kopassus an elite force with a bloody history which was more rigorously trained by the US than any other Indonesian unit, according to Pentagon documents passed to The Observer last week. Kopassus was built up with American expertise despite US awareness of its role in the genocide of about 200,000 people in the years after the invasion of East Timor in 1975, and in a string of massacres and disappearances since the bloodbath. Amnesty International describes Kopassus as 'responsible for some of the worst human rights violations in Indonesia's history'. The Pentagon documents obtained by the US-based East Timor Action Network and Illinois congressman Lane Evans detail every exercise in the covert training programme, conducted under a Pentagon project called JCET (Joint Combined Education and Training). They show the training was in military expertise that could only be used internally against civilians, such as urban guerrilla warfare, surveillance, counter-intelligence, sniper marksmanship and 'psychological operations'. Specific commanders trained under the US programme have been tied to the current violence and to some of the worst massacres of the past 20 years, including the slaughter at Kraras in 1983 and at Santa Cruz in 1991. The US-trained commanders include the son-in-law of the late dictator General Suharto, Prabowo Subianto, and his mentor, General Kiki Syahnakri the man appointed last week by the so-called 'reform' government as commissioner for martial law in East Timor. The secret programme unveiled in the document became the focus for military training when above-board aid was curtailed by Congress after the Santa Cruz massacre. Congress had stepped in after up to 270 peaceful protesters many of them schoolchildren were murdered by Kopassus shock troops as they paraded through Dili. American sponsorship of the Indonesian regime began as a matter of Cold War ideology, in the wake of defeat in Vietnam. The left-wing movement in East Timor was feared by Jakarta and seen by the US as an echo of those in southern Africa and of Salvador Allende's government in Chile. Jakarta's harassment of the Timor government and the invasion of 1975 were duly encouraged by the United States. The training of Indonesia's officer corps peaked during the mid-Eighties. In 1990 a former official at the US Embassy in Jakarta cabled the State Department to say US sponsorship had been 'a big help to the (Indonesian) army. They probably killed a lot of people and I probably have a lot of blood on my hands'. But the horror of Santa Cruz in 1991, when trucks were seen dumping bodies in the sea, was too much. The US decided that the training, while still available, should be paid for by the recipient nation in other words, it would no longer be military aid. The covert programme then became the main means of training Indonesia's military still at the American taxpayers' expense. In an undated prospectus, the Pentagon says the prime mission was to 'to develop, organise, equip, train, advise and direct indigenous militaries'. The scale was small, to offer concentrated 'significant special training' which would create 'self-sufficient small units'. In 1996, for instance, 10 exercises involved 376 US personnel and 838 Indonesians or 'loyal' Timorese. Britain also made a significant contribution to Indonesia's military training. The Observer has established that, since May 1997, 24 senior members of Indonesia's forces have been trained in UK military colleges. This included training in running military units efficiently and how to used technical equipment like guided missiles. In addition, 29 Indonesian officers have studied at non-military establishments. Revelations of the extent to which Labour has used taxpayers' money to aid the Indonesian military has angered many MPs, who claim
Re: [CTRL] Giant morgue prepared for New Year disasters
-Caveat Lector- badee badee badee Thats All Folks! I agree with you. Ignorance just loves itself doens't it? YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- More than 2m people are expected to line the banks of the Thames to celebrate the arrival of the 21st century. Well, then they have a year to go, since the new century (and hence the new millenium) doesn't begin until Jan. 1, 2001. It's a shame to see the mistaken notion that the 20th century (and current millenium) ends THIS year perpetuated in the mainstream media. But if the media can't get this simple scientific fact straight, then that if proof that we should question all the other 'facts' they disseminate... June (realizing pointing out the 'new century' error is a losing battle) *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FBI revelations inspire skeptics
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From
http://www.expressnews.com/pantheon/news-bus/state/2007aright_wingers_0920nz
.shtml
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FBI revelations inspire skeptics
By Maro Robbins
Express-News Staff Writer
They said it for years: Don't trust federal government; look at what
happened the to Branch Davidians. And now, perhaps, the nation seems ready
to listen.
Headlines are shouting questions about the 1993 Waco standoff that killed
four federal agents and about 80 sect members. Officials admit to using
unauthorized ammunition on the siege's last day and, among other snafus,
misplacing a telling document. A federal prosecutor suggests a cover-up, and
two investigations are under way.
But old doubts die hard among militia members, conspiracy theorists and
other skeptics. Among the incredulous, the possibility of renewed scrutiny
yielding long-awaited vindication inspires hope, satisfaction and mostly,
suspicion.
"Cover-up No. 2," said Alan Bacon, once a member of the Bexar County
Volunteer Militia.
He adds: "All I get the sense of is: Here we go again. They didn't tell us
then. They're not telling us now."
Bacon said a 1995 congressional investigation into possible wrongdoing at
Waco left too many questions unanswered. This time, while some expect the
renewed allegations to pump new blood into militias, others like Bacon, a
former defense-industry employee who saw work dwindle after the Cold War
thawed, doubt the inquiries will have much effect.
Some theories are posted on Web sites under pseudonyms, sometimes as terse
as their proclamations. Among comments, one message proposes that the Waco
revelations amount to a carefully laid bait.
"I suspect this to be the exact strategy to bring the militia out of the
woodwork," said the message, signed J{gt}H{gt} Johnson.
After recommending members choose silent hiding over hollering "I told you
so," his communication advises, "If they can't see you, they can't blame
you."
Militia members still chafe over depictions in mainstream media as paranoid
warmongers, said Don Loucks of Bastrop, a former adviser to but not a
member of the Texas Constitutional Militia and a columnist for the online
news site allsouthwest.com.
"The people actually involved in the self-defense movements have wised up.
They don't want the exposure," Loucks said. "They know what happens if they
proclaim themselves. They'll be targeted."
But those who monitor computer communications among militias and
sympathizers say the attention on the Branch Davidian siege has excited new
activity in a dormant, if not dying, community.
Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with a nonprofit group that tracks and opposes
right-wing political organizations, said the militias flared after
government standoffs at Waco and Ruby Ridge the prior year, when a federal
marshal, alleged white supremacist Randy Weaver, and his wife and teen-age
son were shot.
Sunday, Sep 19, 1999
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[CTRL] Nation changing views on siege
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.expressnews.com/pantheon/news-bus/crime-crisis/2007aart0nz.shtml - Nation changing views on siege Branch Davidians hoping to be heard By John MacCormack Express-News Staff Writer WACO It's an episode that lingers like a dark bruise on the American consciousness, the lethal inferno April 19, 1993, that consumed the Branch Davidian complex near here and 79 people inside. Dean Raza (left) and Matt Klaerner, both of Austin, were among 60 people who came Sunday to dig foundation holes for a new Branch Davidian chapel at the site of the ill-fated compound near Waco. Photo by The Associated Press Televised nationwide as it occurred, the fire was the horrific denouement to a 51-day standoff between the FBI and David Koresh, the curly haired leader of a small, apocalyptic religious group. The fire, which killed two dozen children, came after FBI agents using Bradley fighting vehicles had spent hours battering the complex and injecting tear gas inside. But the attempt to drive Koresh and his followers out of Mount Carmel proved futile. As the fire raged, only a handful of Branch Davidians staggered out to safety, several severely burned. Those who stayed behind died of gunshot wounds possibly self-inflicted heat and asphyxiation. Koresh, the self-proclaimed Lamb of God, is buried in a Tyler cemetery. Around Waco, a surviving handful of the faithful await his promised return, confident he'll bring divine justice with him. "I hope he'll be back soon. He's gonna deal with those who are responsible for what's happened. It's in the Bible. That's what God says," said Edna Doyle, 84, whose granddaughter, Shari, perished in the fire. In certain political and legal realms, Koresh already has returned. Public attention is again focusing on an episode in American history that, to those distrustful of the federal government, represents Big Brother at his brutal worst. Timothy McVeigh, convicted of the April 19, 1995, bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City that took 168 lives, made a pilgrimage to Mount Carmel's ashes and became obsessed with it. In a post-conviction prison letter, McVeigh blamed the FBI for causing the Branch Davidians' "slow, torturous death." And in recent weeks, questions have been renewed about the government's conduct in Waco at the siege's beginning and end and its use of military personnel and equipment. Allegations of an FBI cover-up have been revived recently by revelations of pyrotechnic tear gas devices, Delta Force soldiers, incendiary flares and mysterious sniper rounds. Some of the recent findings in evidence collected at the fire scene appear to contradict FBI claims about what devices and tactics it used against the Branch Davidians. In response, Attorney General Janet Reno, who in 1993 took personal responsibility for the decision to use tear gas to force the group out, has named former U.S. Sen. John Danforth to lead an independent investigation. And sometime in the coming months, a consolidated wrongful death suit filed on behalf of some of those who died in Mount Carmel will be tried in federal court in Waco. The lawsuit names the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, as well as FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi. "The big picture is that I hope the trial establishes that the government has some share of the responsibility for the deaths of the women and children in Mount Carmel," said Michael Caddell, the lead plaintiffs' lawyer. "Most of the debate over Waco would go away in a minute if Janet Reno would step forward and say mistakes were made, that they never should have mounted that final assault," he said from his office in Houston. The suit claims the FBI used "grossly excessive force," and showed a "reckless disregard for life," in ending the siege. The suit makes similar charges about the ATF, involved in the initial deadly confrontation with the Branch Davidians on Feb. 28, 1993, in an operation that agents dubbed "Showtime." Early that Sunday morning, dozens of heavily armed ATF agents arrived at Mount Carmel in an attempt to arrest Koresh on firearms charges. The ATF went ahead with the plan, even though it knew Koresh was expecting them. A gunfight broke out, resulting in the deaths of four ATF agents and six Branch Davidians and starting the 51-day standoff. The survivors' wrongful death lawsuit is far smaller than when it began. Government lawyers defending the suit succeeded in having all of the individuals named, except Horiuchi, dropped as defendants. Most of the other claims, including all involving constitutional issues, also were dismissed by U.S. District Judge Walter Smith, who's called the Waco affair, "an American tragedy of epic proportions." But Smith, who in 1993 presided over the criminal trial in San Antonio that ended with convictions of eight surviving Branch Davidians, has made clear certain critical issues will be addressed at trial. "There are circumstances relating to the
Re: [CTRL] FBI revelations inspire skeptics
-Caveat Lector- The elite REALLY REALLLY REAY want their Boy George as NWO president...their agenda is based on a sick spirituality and without him a certain monster is not allowed to be loosed on the people...they have prepared for this for centuries...its not that he is anything special...its that he fits in the equation and there are very few if any others...wake up everyone...these are just bones being thrown to the dogs to keep them quiet so that all sorts of subterfuge can go down to ensure the arrival of the totality engineered by the beast of corrupted numismatics...it is a charade and a swindle and if we cannot rise above it we deserve to be eaten by it. No More Bushit! Dan S wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.expressnews.com/pantheon/news-bus/state/2007aright_wingers_0920nz .shtml - FBI revelations inspire skeptics By Maro Robbins Express-News Staff Writer They said it for years: Don't trust federal government; look at what happened the to Branch Davidians. And now, perhaps, the nation seems ready to listen. Headlines are shouting questions about the 1993 Waco standoff that killed four federal agents and about 80 sect members. Officials admit to using unauthorized ammunition on the siege's last day and, among other snafus, misplacing a telling document. A federal prosecutor suggests a cover-up, and two investigations are under way. But old doubts die hard among militia members, conspiracy theorists and other skeptics. Among the incredulous, the possibility of renewed scrutiny yielding long-awaited vindication inspires hope, satisfaction and mostly, suspicion. "Cover-up No. 2," said Alan Bacon, once a member of the Bexar County Volunteer Militia. He adds: "All I get the sense of is: Here we go again. They didn't tell us then. They're not telling us now." Bacon said a 1995 congressional investigation into possible wrongdoing at Waco left too many questions unanswered. This time, while some expect the renewed allegations to pump new blood into militias, others like Bacon, a former defense-industry employee who saw work dwindle after the Cold War thawed, doubt the inquiries will have much effect. Some theories are posted on Web sites under pseudonyms, sometimes as terse as their proclamations. Among comments, one message proposes that the Waco DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990920c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No plague vectors were disrupted during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Plant losses threaten world's food supplies. (BBC) The world's ability to feed itself is being put at risk by an accelerating loss of plant species. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_449000/449096.stm # Also: GM viruses to turn plants into factories: http://www.sightings.com/earthchanges/GMviruses_e.htm # Botanists launch plant rescue plan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_411000/411639.stm # The mother of all plants: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_411000/411757.stm # GM could 'impoverish poor farmers': http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_348000/348947.stm : How much food have you hoarded? Is it enough? What will you do when it all runs out? What will the rest of the world do? Will we eat each other? Salty? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Bubonic Plague Kills By Cutting Cellular Communication. Yersinia pestis, the deadly bacterium that causes bubonic plague, kills by cutting off a cell's ability to communicate with other immune system cells needed to fight off the bacterial invasion. Scientists locate a protein responsible for the plague's lethal effect and the molecular family it targets: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/09/990916134550.htm : Have you ever had your communications cut off? Were/are you plagued? Are you developing new plagues? What level of communications will you destroy? @ Bioethics was supposed to work against paternalism, helping patients to make free, informed choices. Things have gone in a different and ominous direction: http://www.reasonmag.com/9908/fe.rb.warning.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Religion puts Israel on 2 clocks. JERUSALEM (AP) The switch from daylight- saving time to standard time is usually an excuse to sleep an extra hour. In the Mideast, it's a political act. Israelis switched early to promote religious redemption. Palestinians decided to wait two weeks, citing patriotism. As a result, the region has operated on two clocks - throwing a lot of people off schedule: Businessmen were kept waiting, peace negotiators double-checked their schedules, diplomats found their parties pooped. It apparently even muddled terrorists, who killed themselves instead of their targets when their bombs detonated an hour early. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561197398-164 : Do you always double-check the time on your bombs? Do you provide leeway? Is time-changing a hostile act? Are you at war with time? Does time attack? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # KANSAS: MOVES UNDERWAY TO COUNTERACT SCHOOL BOARD ACTION. Linda Holloway, head of the Kansas School board that pulled evolution from the curriculum, says she no longer reads her "insult laden" e-mail. Maybe she should; a moderate GOP group has targeted her for defeat in the next election. Mean- while, the chancellor of U. Kansas announced formation of a task force on science literacy in education; there are moves underway in the legislature to mandate the teaching of evolution and to limit the power of the school board. One state lawmaker has written a bill to require students to study evolution to be eligible for admission to a state university. That would also have consequences for students attending private religious schools. : Can ignorance be outlawed? Is religion a good cover for ignorance? Do the voices in your head tell you all you need to know? Do you live in Kansas?? @ If opera arose, in some measure, as the secular equivalent to the Mass, does that mean that the state shouldn't fund it either? http://www.igc.org/dissent/current/summer99/ackerman.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Plan to block patenting of human genes. (BBC) The UK US govts plan an agreement to prevent the 100,000 human genes being patented by private firms. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_452000/452293.stm # Also: Blow to British biotech: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_444000/444203.stm # Gene mappers near historic goal: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_443000/443673.stm # Drugs giants unite for medical revolution: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_319000/319872.stm # 'Working draft' of human genome by 2000: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_297000/297166.stm : What human genes would you like to patent? Is this a govt conspiracy to destroy free enterprise? What politicos would you like to genetically alter? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # County Debunks Skunk Ape Funding Request. Naples, Florida. The County Commissioners reverse a decision by the Tourist Development Council to approve US$44,000
[CTRL] Tucson lawyer presses for truth about Waco (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.azcentral.com/news/0920hardy.shtml Tucson lawyer presses for truth about Waco 'Peons' ran Waco operation, lawyer says Emmanuel Lozano/The Arizona Republic Tucson lawyer David Hardy says his own experience as a federal bureaucrat helped him conclude that the real villains in the Branch Davidian siege at Waco, Texas, in 1993 were what he calls the "Omnipotent Peons." By William Hermann The Arizona Republic Sept. 20, 1999 TUCSON - David Hardy says he's no far-right fanatic - just because he helped force the FBI to admit it used incendiary tear gas during the 1993 Branch Davidian siege in Waco, Texas. Hardy also insists he's no gun nut - just because he believes the Constitution gives citizens the right to bear arms. Instead, Hardy says, he's a civil libertarian with a healthy distrust of government - and part of an old Arizona family so classic that it included a Cave Creek judge who was actually a fugitive from justice. As for Waco, Tucson attorney Hardy said his own experience as a federal bureaucrat helped him conclude that the real villains at Waco were what he calls the "Omnipotent Peons." "In the end, it'll be the OPs who are to blame for screwing up the first violent encounter and for the cover-up after the fire," said Hardy, 48, sitting in the weapon-bedecked office of his northeast Tucson home. "There was a whole cadre of OPs at work at Waco. "The government isn't run by Cabinet members or department heads," he said with a laugh. "The government is run by middle-level and lower-level peons who do what they damned well please. Emmanuel Lozano/The Arizona Republic Hardy holds the end of a "Ferret" tear gas round, which the FBI said it used on the Branch Davidian compound. It is not a pyrotechnic device. "I doubt that (U.S. Attorney General) Janet Reno or (FBI Director) Louis Freeh had any idea of the cover-up we've been discovering," he said. "But I believe subordinates of theirs did. And the people who were on the scene certainly did." Fiery finish Branch Davidian cult leader David Koresh and about 80 of his followers were killed April 19, 1993, when fire consumed their compound near Waco. Government officials insisted that Koresh's followers started the fire - not the government agents who had surrounded the area after a Feb. 28, 1993, shootout that left four federal agents and five Branch Davidians dead. The Waco conflagration is back again on the national stage. Hardy was instrumental in prompting the recent reopening of the case by the Justice Department and the independent investigation headed by former Sen. John Danforth. The controversial case returned to haunt federal officials after disclosures that FBI agents used tear gas canisters with the potential for starting a blaze shortly before the fire. Since a few months after the Branch Davidian compound fire, Hardy has demanded government documents, sued the government and harried government officials, all in an effort "to get at the truth of what happened there." Since 1995, Hardy has filed eight freedom of information act requests with federal officials seeking material relating to the Waco incident. His persistence has resulted in the government turning over to him hundreds of documents and stacks of audiotapes and videotapes. Hardy has worked closely with Michael McNulty, a one-time Colorado insurance agent turned documentary filmmaker. The two have forced the government to admit that potentially flammable tear gas canisters were indeed used at Waco and that elite Delta Force soldiers were on the scene of the siege advising government agents. After Hardy unearthed the Delta Force information, McNulty convinced an assistant U.S. attorney in Waco to let him search the lockers holding evidence gathered at the siege. There, McNulty found the potentially flammable tear gas canisters that the government had denied using. "They all along had maintained they'd used about 400 projectiles very much like this one, only a little bigger," said Hardy, holding up a non-flammable type of tear gas device. "McNulty found flammable ones, canisters that easily could have got a fire started." Since Hardy began receiving national notice for his part in revealing irregularities in the government's version of Waco - he has appeared on radio and television news programs and was the subject of a New York Times article - many have asked if he is a right-wing ideologue. "I'm more a 1960s liberal on civil liberties," he said. "I think we need to protect our civil liberties. I think we need to watch very carefully what government officials and employees are doing." Former Assistant U.S. Attorney for Arizona and state
Re: [CTRL] Help! redirected
Here you go Phil - the list is not able to help you, you need to work through the list serv (information below to resolve problems). Also it is good to include your email address under your name - not every list provides the members email information and I was unable to lift your address from the reply to hyperlink so am forced to post this to the list in response Kiri - Original Message - From: L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cynthia Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: Re: help helpLISTSERV(R) version 1.8d - most commonly used commandsINFO topic|listname Order documentation (plain text files)SUBscribe listname full name Subscribe to a listSIGNOFF listname Sign off from a listSIGNOFF * (NETWIDE - from all lists on all serversQuery listname Query your subscription optionsSearch listname keyword... Search list archivesSET listname options Update your subscription optionsINDex listname Order a list of LISTSERV filesGET filename filetype Order a file from LISTSERVThere are more commands; send an INFO REFCARD command for a comprehensivereference card, or just INFO for a list of available documentation files.If you prefer, you can use LISTSERV through its web interface athttp://listserv.aol.com/cgi-bin/wa (the full manuals can also be browsedonline at this URL).This server is managed by:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Summary of resource utilization---CPU time: 0.000 secOverhead CPU: 0.010 secCPU model: 9000/889Job origin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Phil Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 4:58 AM Subject: [CTRL] Help! Dogonit! You guys did this to me a few days ago, too! Didn'tanswer my e-mails requesting help and forced me to reregister using another name (since I had no idea what else could be wrong then, either). This time, however, I'm getting a "cookies" problem screen. I don't know what to do about it as I haven't changed anything and I was posting and scooting around ok just last night. So what's up already? Please help resolve this as I'm at a critical point following my meager investments and need to stay in touch and connected with the thread I'm following. Thanks, Phil Chapman, "Chappamano", Password "Burr" PS Going out now to play "dogball", i. e. very bad tennis. Sure hope I can post (and scoot around) when I get back.
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: Church Victims' Passive Reaction
9.20.99 On Fort Worth Church Victims' "Passive" Reaction This message below from a respondent gives voice to some sensible and heartfelt thoughts about why so many in the crowd at Wedgwood Baptist Church responded in such a seemingly detached, dazed, "hypnotized" fashion, to the directly and personally life-threatening mayhem unfolding right in front of them. However, the worthwhile points she makes wouldn't seem to account for reports a NUMBER of attendees deliberately called out to the gunman (gunmen) to shoot them, indicating they wanted to 'die for Christ" and so forth. We repeat--this aspect of a generally strange and undeniable very tragic event, in OUR view, really smacks of Jonestown, with all the tremendous number of undeniable connections between that nightmarish jungle atrocity to psychopathically vicious, brutal, demonic 'Nazi" intelligence agencies of the psychopathically vicious shadow government ultimately RESPONSIBLE for the very EXISTENCE of the mind-control experiment known as the (ostensibly Christian) People's Temple, Jonestown and "Jim Jones" (known CIA asset) himself. NewsHawk Inc. - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message Subject: RE: Bizarre Passive Reaction Of Church Victims Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:38:44 -0700 From: "Allison" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's the teleboob. TV watchers repeatedly behave this way in stories of violence. Perhaps their senses are so numbed by incessant watching of violence on TV that they are unable to react in a real-life situation. After all, they must learn to suppress their instinctive "fight or flight" reaction that would be triggered if they did not already know that the violence on TV is faked (even if it is a telecast of real violence, it is still only dots on a glass screen in front of the viewer) when watching violence on TV. So when something actually happens they then must turn off the suppression mechanism they have trained so well before they can react appropriately or at all. By then it may be too late. Also when confronted with a firearm-wielding assailant people just don't know what to do. Run? You can't outrun a bullet. Dodge? Almost impossible to dodge a bullet. Take cover? Just moving may attract the attention of the gunman. "Scarface" Al Capone is reputed to have said, "Always run from a knife but rush a gun." The idea being that you can't get far enough away from a gun quickly enough to do you any good, so the best hope, especially if the gunman is close, is to try to gain control of the gunman's gun hand and divert the barrel aim from one's body. Distance is the best defense from a knifer. The last? Yes. We must be willing to lose our lives for our faith. But this is not to volunteer to die in some symbolic fashion. It is to adhere to faith in Jesus Christ so strongly that the threat of death will not deter us from holding fast to Him. There is no call in Scripture to throw ourselves in front of a speeding train "for Christ." No, I'm not a PhD in psychology. Just my ideas. Allison
Re: [CTRL] Outing Spies
-Caveat Lector- Or if not actually identified as "traitors," then (perhaps more effectively) discredited as dupes of the KGB *desinformatsiya*... After all, why waste resources on refuting or prosecuting your opponents when you can, by the simple expedient of planting a story, cause the public to put them in the same they use for such "sources" as the *Weekly World News*? -Original Message- From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 3:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Outing Spies -Caveat Lector- The book also reveals extensive KGB operations including: --Attempts to implicate the CIA and wealthy right-wing Americans in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. As part of these efforts, the book says the KGB in the 1970s forged a letter from Kennedy's accused killer, Lee Harvey Oswald, to E. Howard Hunt, the former CIA agent who was convicted in the Watergate break-in. Is anyone else noticing that, little by little, the carefully considered conclusions of Conspiracy Theory are being identified as a product of Communist disinformation? How long before we are all likewise blacklisted as "Communists" or, at the very least, charged with sedition for being disseminators of propaganda from an enemy state? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990920d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No devilbunnies killed or were killed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Fireball Or UFO? http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/fireball.htm $ Want kinky phone talk? Only 50 cents per minute! 1-888-700-WHIP _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ ROSWELL FOR THE MASSES. Blurb for an upcoming TV show: Roswell (WB, 9 pm) From veterans of X-Files and My So-Called Life comes this swell, spooky show about Liz, happily going about her teenage business waiting tables in Roswell NM in a uniform with the universal alien symbol stitched on it, when blam! she's shot in the tummy. Fortunately for her, Max, the boy she fancies, happens to be there happens to be an alien with magic healing powers. This gets Max in trouble with the other aliens, who are identifi- able only in that they consume a great deal of Tabasco sauce and are very, very attractive. Tune in to find out whether Liz will dump the sheriff's dull (albeit human) son and try out romance with an ET before the shrewd, steely-eyed sheriff and his long-haired deputy expose the mutants." ### : Are you an attractive alien? Are you an alien or a mutant or both? Do you have magical healing powers? Do you use them prudently? Do you like Tabasco? Isn't that a giveaway in New Mexico - shouldn't you stick to jalapenos? Eh? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # School's scary tiger logo bumped. Fearful that their "violent, angry tiger" logo would inspire kids to do something awful, Minnesota elementary school bosses had students pick a new thing to represent the institution. Images that kill: http://www.pioneerplanet.com/news/mtc_docs/004412.htm # Students kill dean's cat in prank gone overboard. Cops say three former students of a prestigious boarding school stuffed Bella the cat into a pillowcase, beat her with a bat, then buried the animal in the woods. Says a cop: "It was an end-of-the-school-year prank that got out of hand. The original idea was to take the cat and then release it." http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/18/073l-091899-idx.html : Have you killed any cats lately? Did images of scary tigers provoke you? Do voices in your head roar, meow, whine? Have you ever gotten out of hand? # Also: Cheerleader won't stop praying at football games: http://www.dallasnews.com/metro/0918met8celina.htm # And: Post-game handshakes prompt football foes' brawl: http://www.al.com/sports/mobile/Sep1999/15-a315754b.html # Coach says: I support my parrot-roasting son. And why the hell not? http://jsonline.com/wi/082799/wi%2D%2Dalvarez%2Dparrotkil082799.asp : Is US football among the strangest belief systems around? Do you worship in a stadium? Do you roast parrots? Do you pray compulsively, endlessly?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ After falling down a rabbit hole, you seem to have stumbled upon a whole new world. The first hint is the axe wielding man wearing a battered Stetson hat alongside a fourteen foot ferrotti, battling a horde of cute bunny rabbits. They fight valiantly, but without hope of success against the fluffy odds. In a flash of insight you realize you have fallen into the reality of: news:alt.devilbunnies - see http://www.devilbunnies.org/ : Have you been attacked by devilbunnies lately? Have you killed any rabbits lately? Were/are they Satanic? Were you overwhelmed, underwhelmed, whelmed? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ WolfCam: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/1846/pages/wc1.html @ Earth Alert http://www.discovery.com/news/earthalert/earthalert.html @ SW Volcano Research Centre: http://www.goodnet.com/~ej76707/cerupt.htm @ VOL. KUCHINOERABUJIMA: http://hakone.eri.u-tokyo.ac.jp/vrc/erup/kuchi.html @ VOLCANO SAKURAJIMA: http://hakone.eri.u-tokyo.ac.jp/vrc/erup/sakura.html @ Are reefs doomed? http://www.motherjones.com/coral_reef/ @ Disasters-R-Us: http://www.disasterium.com/ @ The Halifax Explosion: A Catastrophe Lost In The Mists Of Time? http://www.sightings.com/politics4/halifax.htm @ Biblical manuscripts hidden by the churches for centuries: http://www.immunotex.com/books/religious.html # CLINTON SAYS READILY AVAILABLE GUNS CONTRIBUTE TO KILLINGS - points finger at NRA: http://cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/09/18/clinton.guns.ap/ # Tapes, letters reveal gunman's chilling actions, thoughts: http://www.cnn.com/US/9909/17/church.shooting.03/index.html # DAY 'OF PHENOMENAL SADNESS' FOR CHURCH MASSACRE MOURNERS - culling of Xians deplored: http://cnn.com/US/9909/18/church.shooting.03/index.html @ Pleiadian: http://www.immunotex.com/books/pleiadian/marciniak.html @ Montauk: http://www.immunotex.com/books/pleiadian/montauk.html @ Spiritual: http://www.immunotex.com/books/pleiadian/spirituality.html @ Bill Cooper:
Re: [CTRL] Help! redirected
Kiri, Thanks for your reply. Prob since resolved. Phil - Original Message - From: Kirimaku To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Help! redirected Here you go Phil - the list is not able to help you, you need to work through the list serv (information below to resolve problems). Also it is good to include your email address under your name - not every list provides the members email information and I was unable to lift your address from the reply to hyperlink so am forced to post this to the list in response Kiri - Original Message - From: L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cynthia Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: Re: help helpLISTSERV(R) version 1.8d - most commonly used commandsINFO topic|listname Order documentation (plain text files)SUBscribe listname full name Subscribe to a listSIGNOFF listname Sign off from a listSIGNOFF * (NETWIDE - from all lists on all serversQuery listname Query your subscription optionsSearch listname keyword... Search list archivesSET listname options Update your subscription optionsINDex listname Order a list of LISTSERV filesGET filename filetype Order a file from LISTSERVThere are more commands; send an INFO REFCARD command for a comprehensivereference card, or just INFO for a list of available documentation files.If you prefer, you can use LISTSERV through its web interface athttp://listserv.aol.com/cgi-bin/wa (the full manuals can also be browsedonline at this URL).This server is managed by:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Summary of resource utilization---CPU time: 0.000 secOverhead CPU: 0.010 secCPU model: 9000/889Job origin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Phil Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 4:58 AM Subject: [CTRL] Help! Dogonit! You guys did this to me a few days ago, too! Didn'tanswer my e-mails requesting help and forced me to reregister using another name (since I had no idea what else could be wrong then, either). This time, however, I'm getting a "cookies" problem screen. I don't know what to do about it as I haven't changed anything and I was posting and scooting around ok just last night. So what's up already? Please help resolve this as I'm at a critical point following my meager investments and need to stay in touch and connected with the thread I'm following. Thanks, Phil Chapman, "Chappamano", Password "Burr" PS Going out now to play "dogball", i. e. very bad tennis. Sure hope I can post (and scoot around) when I get back.
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Daniel Hopsicker
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Hopsicker is a friend of mine and a true patriot. He's also a personal friend of Debbie Seal, and has seen the trauma her sons have caused her as they seem to be trying to emulate the most sordid side of their father's persona. In 1960 my brother John and his best friend (Barry Seal) flew to Lacombe, La., to meet with David Ferry. John didn't know who Ferry was (he was just a very strange-looking man, according to John) at the time. When they arrived, Ferry was sitting in folding chair in front of a Civil Air Patrol formation (comprised of hi-school-aged boys). Seal talked to Ferry for about 10 mins while John stood far enough away not to overhear their conversation. Ferry was a full-time Eastern Airlines commercial pilot, a part-time CIA operative, and commander of the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol unit at the time. He used the CAP to lure boys into his gay love ring. That morning John also noticed a "platoon" of "Cuban-looking" men (he said they looked like Castro or Che Guevara), dressed in military fatigues, standing around on the tarmac at Lacombe. Daniel and I both believe that the CIA was working closely with anti-Castro Cubans at that time, and that they were being trained by Special Forces people in the woods near Lacombe. One of the boys in Ferry's CAP unit was "Lee Oswald." Some of us (I can't speak for Daniel) believe that Lee Oswald (Harvey was his middle name) had become romantically involved with Ferry, and that later, after he got married, Ferry threatened to spill the beans on Oswald. That, coupled with a few other things (time won't permit me to write about here), spells "P-a-t-s-y." Oswald did not kill JFK. The CIA did. And Seal may well have flown the getaway plane for the real assassins. Daniel's research indicates that. Daniel has done a yeoman's job of researching these things. I won't steal his thunder, but when his book "Barry and the Boys" comes out, I can assure you the read will be worth the effort. Richmond --- ONElist Sponsor ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests.
[CTRL] If They Find Me They Will Kill Me, 2/4
-Caveat Lector- === The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU Part 2/4: Interview with Corin Ismali = IF THEY FIND ME, THEY WILL KILL ME: Interviews with pro-Yugoslav Albanian Refugees from Kosovo Transcribed and edited by Gregory Elich Interviews with Faik Jasari, Corin Ismali, and Fatmir Seholi, members of the Kosovo Democratic Initiative. Comments by Biljana Koteska, First Secretary of the United Nations Law Projects Center in Belgrade, Bajram Haliti, Secretary of the Republic of Serbia Secretariat for Development of Information on the Languages of National Minorities, and editor of "Ahimsa", and Jovan Damjanovic, President of the Roma organization in Yugoslavia Interviewed by Barry Lituchy, Joe Friendly, Ayman El-Sayed, Ken Freeland, Jeff Goldberg and Gregory Elich, members of the North American Solidarity with Yugoslavia Delegation Belgrade, August 9, 1999 [CONTINUATION] [Lituchy] Tell us your name, and what town you're from, and also what your position was in the Albanian community in Kosovo. [Ismali] Corin Ismali, from Stjema, near Lipjana. [Lituchy] What position did you have in the Albanian community? [Ismali] I was under-secretary in the Executive Council in Kosovo for national social questions, and also secretary for the party. [Lituchy] Would you tell us what happened after the bombing stopped in Kosovo? [Ismali] After the NATO bombing stopped, we had to leave Kosovo because KFOR did not guarantee us freedom, or peace, or the possibility to walk in the evening without being afraid of KLA soldiers. [Lituchy] Did you speak with KFOR at any time and ask for their protection? [Ismali] We wanted to speak with Mr. Kouchner, but we could not meet with him. We don't know the reason. No one told us why. [Lituchy] Are you a refugee from Kosovo. [Ismali] Yes, we had to leave Kosovo. [Lituchy] Why did you leave Kosovo? [Ismali] Because I was not safe in Kosovo. [Lituchy] Were you threatened by anyone in Kosovo? [Ismali] Yes, because I supported Yugoslavia, and I opposed secession. That is why I had to leave Kosovo. [Lituchy] Why did, or do, Albanians support Yugoslavia? [Ismali] Because we want to live with other ethnic groups in Yugoslavia. We do not want to live in a country that has only one ethnic group. [El-Sayed] Do Albanians in Kosovo want to live in Yugoslavia, but they are forced to listen to the KLA? [Ismali] Yes. They are forced by the KLA to leave Kosovo because they don't want to join the KLA. [Lituchy] Why did some Albanians join the KLA? Why do you think? [Ismali] We don't know, because that is their own opinion. [Lituchy] What percentage of the people in Kosovo of Albanian background do you think would have been happy to stay in Yugoslavia without the KLA? [Ismali] Almost all of us want to return to Kosovo, to live in Kosovo with other ethnic groups, if someone could guarantee our safety. About eighty percent of refugees want to return. But we are afraid of the KLA. [Lituchy] When you left Kosovo, what did you leave behind? [Ismali] I left approximately one million Deutsche Marks in Kosovo: houses, property, fields, cars, furniture, everything. [Lituchy] By profession, why did you do? [missing segment during change of tape] [Lituchy] What kind of government do you expect the KLA will establish, now that they've gained power? [Ismali] They want a one-ethnic government. [Koteska] You asked him a question about why Albanians joined the KLA. You have to know that many of them had to join the KLA, because if they don't join them, they will kill and torture them. They will rape their wives, daughters. They had to do that. [Lituchy] Was any member of your family threatened, injured or killed? [Ismali] No, because we left Kosovo in time. [Lituchy] What day did you leave Kosovo? [Ismali] We left Kosovo on the 16th of June. [Lituchy] And you haven't been back? [Ismali] No. I left my opstima [similar to county] fourteen months ago, because they threatened me to leave Stjema. Then I moved to Brezivica, and I left Brezivica on the 16th of June. [Lituchy] Would you like to return to Kosovo? [Ismali] Yes, of course. Why not? [Lituchy] Do you think you will ever get back your property? [Ismali] I think I will get my property back in one or two years. [Freeland] How many incidents are you personally aware of people having their wives raped, or being killed, because they refused to join the KLA? [Ismali] I don't know that. [Lituchy] Under what conditions do you think you might be able to return to Kosovo? [Ismali] If our army and police return to Kosovo, I will go the same day. The reason is that I must have peace, freedom, and no one to threaten me before I can return to Kosovo. [Lituchy] Do you think you will return soon? [Ismali] I don't know that. It depends on the situation. [El-Sayed] Do you think the United States created the KLA? [Ismali] They had support,
[CTRL] If They Find Me They Will Kill Me, 4/4
-Caveat Lector- === The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU Part 4/4: End of Interview with Jasari, Ismali and Seholi = IF THEY FIND ME, THEY WILL KILL ME: Interviews with pro-Yugoslav Albanian Refugees from Kosovo Transcribed and edited by Gregory Elich Interviews with Faik Jasari, Corin Ismali, and Fatmir Seholi, members of the Kosovo Democratic Initiative. Comments by Biljana Koteska, First Secretary of the United Nations Law Projects Center in Belgrade, Bajram Haliti, Secretary of the Republic of Serbia Secretariat for Development of Information on the Languages of National Minorities, and editor of "Ahimsa", and Jovan Damjanovic, President of the Roma organization in Yugoslavia Interviewed by Barry Lituchy, Joe Friendly, Ayman El-Sayed, Ken Freeland, Jeff Goldberg and Gregory Elich, members of the North American Solidarity with Yugoslavia Delegation Belgrade, August 9, 1999 [CONTINUATION] [Lituchy] I am just going to ask you one more question, and then I am going to throw it open to all three gentlemen to answer questions. First I am just going to ask one more question. What - well, actually, this could be for each of you. What do you think has been lost as a result of this? [Seholi] It was a human catastrophe. [Ismali] It was. [Jasari] Now we can see that the United States does not care about any ethnic minority. Before NATO started bombing us, they said they are protecting the Albanians. You can see Albanians were the victims. If they were protecting the Albanians as they said they were, they wouldn't be bombing them. The aim of the United States was very clear. Their aim was to create a greater Albania, to sever Kosovo from Yugoslavia. The Western countries have military bases in Albania. They want to expand throughout the Balkans, and have controlling influence in other countries. Unfortunately, our Albanian people are the victims of that. They are also victims of Albanian terrorism. Hasim Thaci was in the United States and other Western countries, not in Kosovo. He came to Kosovo after NATO bombing ceased, and after our army left Kosovo. What kind of Albanian man is that who does not protect the Albanian people? We, as Albanians, together with the other nationalities, protected everyone in Kosovo. Regardless of whether he is Albanian, Egyptian, Serb or Turk, he is a human who lives in Kosovo. Now, after the NATO bombing, the Albanian people lost too many people. The question is, what did the United States want from Kosovo, Serbia and Yugoslavia? The United States used the Albanian people as the excuse for their aggression, and perhaps they will again bomb Yugoslavia. After these words, you can judge for yourself what are the interests of the United States. When Mr. [segment lost during change of tape] he promised to the Albanian people they would support all their endeavors to the end. He disregarded all the Albanian victims during the NATO bombing, and if there were more victims, he said, "It is okay, it is their duty. Politics is primary." KFOR and the United States cannot guarantee any kind of freedom to people in Kosovo. They can only guarantee that terrorists can walk armed through cities and villages and act without restraint. When someone reports that someone is killed or kidnapped, they do nothing to stop or prevent such actions. Would you like to live that kind of life? I think that the number of KFOR troops is insufficient to protect people. Even 100,000 troops would not be enough. Many KFOR soldiers support the KLA. [Lituchy] How many Albanians live in Serbia right now? [Jasari] In Belgrade alone you can find about 80,000 Albanians. Many have lived here as long as twenty years. They have rights, they work, they have offices, no one does anything to them. [Lituchy] Actually the conditions for Albanians has not changed very much in Serbia. [Jasari] According to the constitution of the Republic of Serbia, everyone has the same rights. It does not depend on one's nationality. You have the same rights. After the visit of Mr. [Robert] Dole and [Joseph] DiGuardi, Albanians started pushing for a greater Albania. They promised a greater Albania, providing support, both monetary and other. We also know that one the presidents of Yugoslavia was an Albanian. Even one of the vice presidents of the Republic of Serbia was Albanian. Why would they want to clamor for more? [Friendly] What is your comment on the allegations of wrong doing by the Serbian military in Kosovo? How would you compare that with what NATO did, and is there some basis for the allegations that the Serbian army was wantonly killing villagers, or were they actually still after the KLA? [Seholi] The KLA is a terrorist group, and the Yugoslav army is our state's army. We do not think that our army killed villagers. [Friendly] So you're saying that the Serbian army - right now, people in the United States are being told
[CTRL] If They Find Me They Will Kill Me, 1/4
-Caveat Lector- === The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU Part 1/4: Interview with Faik Jasari = IF THEY FIND ME, THEY WILL KILL ME: Interviews with pro-Yugoslav Albanian Refugees from Kosovo Transcribed and edited by Gregory Elich Interviews with Faik Jasari, Corin Ismali, and Fatmir Seholi, members of the Kosovo Democratic Initiative. Comments by Biljana Koteska, First Secretary of the United Nations Law Projects Center in Belgrade, Bajram Haliti, Secretary of the Republic of Serbia Secretariat for Development of Information on the Languages of National Minorities, and editor of "Ahimsa", and Jovan Damjanovic, President of the Roma organization in Yugoslavia Interviewed by Barry Lituchy, Joe Friendly, Ayman El-Sayed, Ken Freeland, Jeff Goldberg and Gregory Elich, members of the North American Solidarity with Yugoslavia Delegation Belgrade, August 9, 1999 [Lituchy] Please introduce yourself and tell us what your position is in the government. [Jasari] Faik Jasari, from Gnilane. I was a member of the Temporary Executive Board [in Kosovo] and I was a representative [at peace negotiations] in Rambouillet. I am also president of a political party, the Kosovo Democratic Initiative. [Lituchy] Would you tell us a little bit about that organization? [Jasari] Anyone can join this political party, because it is open. Not only Albanians, but also people from other ethnic groups may join. [Lituchy] Did this political party run in the previous elections in Kosovo? [Jasari] No, this is a new political party, formed only last year, so we have not yet run in elections. This was the only Albanian party to stand by the government, and our political position was for Kosovo-Metohija to stay in Yugoslavia, organize humanitarian aid for people, and to oppose secession. [Freeland] How many people does this party represent? [Lituchy] What kind of support does it have? [Jasari] We have 30,000 members. We helped people with food, medicine, blankets and so on. During the NATO aggression, we tried to encourage people to stay in Kosovo, not to leave. If anyone had trouble, we tried to help them. [Lituchy] Where are the supporters now from this political party? Are they living in Kosovo, or are they in exile from Kosovo? [Jasari] About 10,000 members of this party have left Kosovo, and about 20,000 remain in Kosovo. Many of them have been kidnapped or tortured by the KLA. The refugees from Kosovo went to Serbia and also to Montenegro. [Lituchy] Are you also a refugee, or an exile from Kosovo? [Jasari] Yes, of course. I had to leave Kosovo on June 18th, along with other members of my political party. [Lituchy] Tell us how you left or were forced out of Kosovo. [Jasari] Members of the KLA were showing photos of my family and me to people, trying to find us. I am now at the top of the list of people the KLA is looking for. [Freeland] Did they post these pictures around, where everyone could see them? [Koteska] No, no. They were only taking the pictures, from home to home. [Jasari] One of my colleagues in our party was kidnapped, and we still do not know anything of his fate. [Lituchy] What was his name? [Jasari] Cafre Cuka. He is from Pec. [Lituchy] And he's missing? [Jasari] He was kidnapped two months ago. [Lituchy] And he was a member of your organization? [Koteska] Yes. [Lituchy] Tell us, on June 18th, did you then leave with your family? [Jasari] Yes. [Lituchy] What did you leave behind? [Jasari] We left our flat, along with all of our furniture and belongings. My wife and I worked for 34 years, and now we have nothing. Nothing. My son and daughter-in-law are now in Nis. My wife and I are in Belgrade. We have nothing to wear. We have nothing from our flat. [Lituchy] No assistance from the United States? [Jasari] We received no assistance from any organization. We live in [name deleted for Jasari's safety]. The government of the Republic of Serbia arranged that. Three members of my family live in Nis, and they live on their own. [Lituchy] Were any members of your family killed, injured, or attacked? [Jasari] No, no one from my family. The KLA did not have time because we escaped from Kosovo. I had bodyguards, so that was helpful. [Lituchy] Are you afraid for your life, even now? [Jasari] Yes. I am afraid. I've already told you that the KLA is looking for me, even now. [Lituchy] Have they asked for you to be executed? Is there a death warrant on you? [Jasari] If they find me, they will kill me. [Freeland] This is a question asked for the sake of formality. Was KFOR made aware of this situation or the situation with any of your family members? [Jasari] I think KFOR does nothing to protect us. They don't do their job. [Lituchy] Did you have any discussions with KFOR at all? [Jasari] I sent an open letter to Mr. [UN special representative for Kosovo Bernard] Kouchner. I wanted to visit with him
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Daniel Hopsicker - Drug Peace, Not War
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amen, our cultural framework, is far exceeding the bounds of control by the conspiracy. All 'they' have left is the shadow of their former selves. Once the hoodwink drops, people are left with a personal decision, what am I going to do? There are many factors, but my bet is that most will either do nothing, or passively or hopefully actively help in the "Conspiracies" demise. "Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country." For control, certain criteria MUST be met. The Internet is busting a huge whole in one of those and has the potential to take away one of their most crucial control items. That being fractional reserve banking under elitist control for "fun" , profit, self-aggrandizment and control. The Internet offers the opportunity to truly value based unital exchange with no interest charged for the its creation and maintenance. This technology also has the capability to turn us all into watchers and open world where secrets of what a person does is fairly open. Right now it ALREADY IS AVAILABLE to certain elites with political power, some with punitive powers. This "database reality" then can be manipulated by those with access for nefarious reasons-black budgets, money laundering, "secret governments", etal. A concerted challenge against a Supreme Court decision, BY ONE VOTE MAJORITY, that made the ugly and ignorant reality of declaring that corporations have the same rights as natural persons. And a Drug Peace. Drugs must be legalized and regulated and taxed. Prohibition is fallacy and used by the conspiracy for their own "diabolical" and secretive ends. Om K - In a message dated 9/20/99 7:29:27 AM, you wrote: From: "Catherine Austin Fitts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What it has to do with is switching from protocols focused on who is right and who is wrong to protocols focused on getting something accomplished in terms of map making, actions or having fun. I would like to stop CIA drug trafficking and am perfectly delighted to accept full responsibilty for every wrong in the history of the world and this list if it will help us then get down to business. I do not care if I am wrong. I want the children safe. --- ONElist Sponsor ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, programs, features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at a href=" http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/onelist_announce "Click/a
Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation (Rant)
-Caveat Lector- In a sense, the problem lies in what Spengler identified as the distinction between a *culture* and a *civilization*--the culture is living, growing, constantly changing, while the civilization has grown stagnant, rigid, resistant to change, and increasingly stratified. There are clear signs that a new world culture is being born, but the Imperial Civilization that rules our planet is doing its best to abort that birth process. I don't want to carry this argument too far; as anyone who has studied Spengler knows, it does have serious flaws. But SOMETHING is starting to emerge from the chaos and confusion--a true *Novus Ordo Seclorum*, not "the New World Order" but a new order of the ages, whose basic assumptions and structures are radically different from those of the *Ancien Regime*... -Original Message- From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 11:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation (Rant) -Caveat Lector- snip Hell, let's be thorough and go all the way back to the first High Civilization in SUMER -- which is also where Buckminster Fuller's analysis of our ULTIMATE problem led him. Otherwise, thanks, Linda, for keeping readers up to speed on the principles of genuine power, which today are no different than as earlier given in Machiavelli and Sun Tzu, only more sophisticated as applied also through our new technological, industrial, and scientific (not to mention sociological and psychological) tools used as weaponry.. snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rauchen Verboten !
-Caveat Lector- John Kenneth Galbraith wrote an article in the late 1940's analyzing the "cigarette economy" of a displaced-persons camp in Germany, in which he explored the artificial creation of demand for a scarce commodity. I can't remember the exact citation right now; I know I read it in an anthology we used in a macroeconomics course about twenty years ago. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Rauchen Verboten ! -Caveat Lector- You can push this argument too faranybody in Germany in 1945 will tell you that the currency used was not marks or the allied money but coffee and cigarettes...especially cigarettes.. ASU DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers
Re ourYiddisher friend, Joshua2, with no sense of humor may I suggest we start a Campaign to nominate the Dalai Lama to replace the Pope? Oi vay! What abrilliant way to start the X'tian Millenium! --Support the Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications--www.unmetered.org.uk - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers -Caveat Lector- Nicola Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.audiocentral.com/rshows/6640/archives98.html That was interesting Michael. snip hmmm Now this could turn out interesting I have heard, from someone who was originally Jewish living in Israel that more than half the Orthodox Rabbis living in Israel have recognized Jesus as the Messiah and will all announce it together when they think it is the right time. Nicky Look, I don't really care what you believe, but this statement above is so absurd that it only indicates how desperately naive you are. Who ever gave you that information is lying to you, and you are too ignorant to recognize it. If you would have said that half the Reform, or Reconstructionist, or New Age Rabbis have recognized Jesus as the Messiah, though unlikely, that MIGHT enter into the realm of possibility. But to make that claim for orthodox Rabbis in Israel is completely off the wall. This is half baked Christian propaganda based entirely on wishful thinking. It's like saying the Dali Lama will be the next Pope. One would have to be totally ignorant of both religions to think this possible. Believe what you want, but leave the Jews out of it. Jews have no interest in Jesus at all. If you Christians are waiting for a group to convert before Jesus returns, I suggest you try the South Koreans. The Jews never will. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Federal ID Card
-Caveat Lector- http://iresist.com/nbn/ID.html Show me your Papers and Federal ID Card Beginning on October 1, 2000, the provisions of what amounts to a nationalized Federal ID Card will be in full mandatory force, practice and effect for all "United States citizenship". Under the guise of Public Law 104-208 and its provisions for purportedly controlling "illegal immigration", all State issued Driver Licenses and State issued ID Cards must become approved Federal ID cards. This has already been signed into (purported) Federal Law in September 1996 by Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief Clinton. You can find it all plainly written out within the text of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION REFORM AND IMMIGRANT RESPONSIBILITY ACT OF 1996. At the same time, you will soon be required to obtain this uniformed national Federal ID Card in order to be employed. Subtitle A, Sections 401 through 405 of the Act (see link above), describe provisions for the U.S. Federal Attorney General's so-called "pilot programs of employment eligibility confirmation" [see section 401(a)]. These programs have already been initiated in September 1997. The names of these employment ID programs are: the Basic Pilot Program; the Citizen Attestation Pilot Program, and; the Machine-Readable-Document Pilot Program. In the Basic Pilot Program [section 403(a)], "The person or entity shall obtain from the individual (and the individual shall provide) and shall record on the I-9 or similar form the individual's social security account number, if the individual has been issued such a number A document referred to in section 274A(b)(1)(D) must contain a photograph of the individual The person or other entity shall make an inquiry using the confirmation system to seek confirmation of the identity and employment eligibility of an individual by not later than the end of 3 working days (as specified by the Attorney General) after the date of the hiring If the person or other entity has received a final nonconfirmation regarding an individual, the person or entity may terminate employment of the individual If the person or entity fails to provide notice, the failure is deemed to constitute a violation with respect to that individual and the applicable civil monetary penalty under section 274A(e)(5) shall be no less than $500 and no more than $1,000 for each individual with respect to whom such violation occurred." [underlining added] As shown here, all employers will be required to obtain your approved Federal ID under penalty of law and fines. In the Citizen Attestation Pilot Program [section 403(b)], "The Attorney General may not provide for the operation of the citizen attestation pilot program in a State unless each driver's license or similar identification document described in section 274A(b)(1)(D)(i) issued by the State-- (i) contains a photograph of the individual involved, and (ii) has been determined by the Attorney General to have security features, and to have been issued through application and issuance procedures, which make such document sufficiently resistant to counterfeiting, tampering, and fraudulent use that it is a reliable means of identification for purposes of this section." [underlining added] This section further states that "the determinations of the Attorney General are within the discretion of the Attorney General and are not subject to judicial or administrative review". Simply said, the U.S. Attorney General a/k/a Janet Reno is in charge of the nationalized Federal ID Card and there will be no appeals of her decisions. This specific program is to be fully established in a minimum of five States or, if fewer, all of the States [see section 401(c)(2)] before September 2001. In the Machine-Readable-Document Pilot Program [section 403(c)], "The Attorney General may not provide for the operation of the machine-readable-document pilot program in a State unless driver's licenses and similar identification documents described in section 274A(b)(1)(D)(i) issued by the State include a machine-readable social security account number." [underlining added] This specific program is to be fully established in a minimum of five States [see section 401(c)(3)] before September 2001. Let's take a close look at the provisions required in these three programs combined: 1) Social Security Number; 2) Photograph; 3) State issued Driver's License; 4) State issued ID; 5) Confirmation of supporting documents; 6) Security features. Section 656 of the Act (see link above) titled IMPROVEMENTS IN IDENTIFICATION-RELATED DOCUMENTS deals with regulations for the documents required, accepted, and not accepted in order to obtain the nationalized State issued Federal ID Cards a/k/a Driver Licenses or State issued Identification. Only State issued "Birth Certificates" that meet the new
[CTRL] Kids just not PC ?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990904/newsstory2.html Divided roles by Alison Motluk New Scientist, 4 September 1999 DON'T BLAME SOCIETY. It's the kids who impose stereotyped roles on the people who care for them, according to a pioneering study of lesbian adoptive couples. Claudia Ciano-Boyce and Lynn Shelley-Sireci of Westfield State College in Massachusetts wanted to know if the experience of adopting a child differed between homosexual and heterosexual couples. Massachusetts is one of the few states where same-sex couples can adopt. The researchers asked 10 lesbian and 26 heterosexual couples who had adopted a child to fill out an extensive 20-page questionnaire. On most topics, heterosexual and homosexual couples responded similarly. But lesbian parents reported significantly more dissatisfaction with the division of childcare. Despite their best efforts to be totally egalitarian, they said that the child always seemed to insist on one parent for "primary" needs -- such as comfort, food and tucking in at bedtime. Meanwhile the child treated the other parent almost exclusively as a playmate. While heterosexual parents reported a similar division of roles, with the mother usually performing primary tasks, they didn't consider it a problem. "The child chooses one parent over the other," says Ciano-Boyce, and the two roles appear to be mutually exclusive. Since both parents in the lesbian families were interested in being primary caregivers, and neither was the biological mother, it's not clear what criteria the child uses to pick its caregiver, Ciano-Boyce says. © Copyright New Scientist, RBI Limited 1999 . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hurricane Floyd signal of a new weather era?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/orst-hfs091599.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 14 SEPTEMBER 1999 Contact: George Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 541-737-5705 Oregon State University Hurricane Floyd signal of a new weather era? CORVALLIS, Ore. -- The same long term climatic forces that Wednesday will cause Hurricane Floyd to ravage the Florida coast is also the culprit behind other weather events literally around the world -- ranging from a wet, cool winter projected this year for Portland, Ore., to better salmon conditions in the Pacific Northwest and normal rain for the drought-stricken Sahel region of Africa. But those forces also suggest a 15-20 year period of more regular and destructive hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean and resulting decades of destruction for coastal cities of the United States. This process, which scientists just began to understand in the early 1990s, is sometimes called a thermohaline circulation pattern or "conveyor belt" of ocean waters that has implications for El Ninos, La Ninas and countless other global impacts, said George Taylor, the state climatologist at Oregon State University and president of the American Association of State Climatologists. "This hurricane season started late, but it's already had about an average amount of hurricane activity and it's only halfway over," Taylor said. "It's going to be a very busy hurricane season, just as four of the last five years have been. And the Pacific Northwest is going to have its sixth year in a row of wetter than average weather. This is not a coincidence. If you want to understand what is happening, you have to look at some of the climate forces that are driving it." What's happening, Taylor believes, is that a conveyor belt of ocean circulation which operates over vast distances has kicked into a higher level of activity -- a pattern that began about 1995 and generally lasts around 20 to 25 years before it quiets down again. It's a pattern separate from, and not to be confused with possible global warming caused by the greenhouse effect. When this conveyor belt of ocean waters is most active, Taylor said, it tends to produce warmer water in the Atlantic Ocean and cooler waters in the Pacific. Unusually warm water, as any meteorologist can tell you, is the fuel of more frequent and violent hurricanes. And cold water in the Pacific Ocean tends to produce the type of "La Nina" years that, among other things, makes Oregon even colder and rainier than usual in the winter. The fish love it, but no one else does -- except some diehards like Taylor. "When the conveyor belt is in high gear, the Atlantic tends to be warmer than usual and the Pacific is cooler," Taylor said. "Then the cycle seems to die down for about 20 years." The correlation is particularly strong for Atlantic Ocean hurricanes, Taylor said. The quietest four year period of the last 50 years was from 1991-94, but then 1995 had the largest number of hurricanes since storms were first named in the early 1950s. The latest four year period is the busiest on record. These theories, Taylor said, were first developed with some pioneering work by oceanographers and climate experts Wallace Broeker and William Gray in the early 1990s. They identified a global scale current that operates on a time scale of several decades and affects world weather patterns. When it's active, this "conveyor belt" transports warm ocean water from the Pacific through the Indian Ocean and into the Atlantic Ocean. In the North Atlantic, this warm water, which is now very salty due to evaporation during the journey, cools and sinks, setting up a subsurface countercurrent that transports cooler water back to the Pacific and Indian Ocean. The end result, Taylor says, is more El Nino events when the conveyor belt is inactive, and more La Nina events -- or cool Pacific Ocean phases -- when the conveyor belt is really moving. "Since the theories were developed, we've identified several things that correlate most closely to high levels of conveyor belt activity," Taylor said. "Certainly one of the most prominent is Atlantic Ocean hurricanes. Also very clear is more La Nina years, and wetter, cooler conditions in the Pacific Northwest. In fact, we have a graph showing the tight correlation between severe hurricane seasons like the one we're now having, and wet winter conditions in Portland, Ore. "Following the very dry 1975-94 period, which saw two significant statewide droughts in Oregon and 10 consecutive dry years, we are now completing the fifth consecutive above average year for precipitation in the Pacific Northwest," he said. Taylor said it's still not certain what causes the "conveyor belt" to kick into gear. One likely candidate is fluctuations in the sun's magnetic field, which affects the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth and tends to change on a 20-27 year cycle. What is
Re: [CTRL] Nortel's power line internet Back Door
-Caveat Lector- Nortel's (or any similar) "power line internet" is a potential back door into every non-battery powered (or non-isolated) computer -- all via the power cord. Required: certain hardware and/or software installed, infected, and/or embedded in the targeted computer -- or other intelligent, networked appliance Nortel's Digital PowerLine has been cancelled -- in the UK -- but this backdoor potential is still there, in any local area. A fully- secure computer system might require a specially isolated power supply, if not a means to monitor the power cord to rule out intermittant, unauthorized data transfers. http://www.telegraph.co.uk Bright sparks cut the wire on Web electrics By Mark Ward, Sep. 16, 1999 THE plug has been pulled on an attempt to provide Internet access by piping data down power lines. Nor.Web has been developing Digital PowerLine for two years, using mains cables rather than telephone lines. The data would reach substations via a conventional fibre network and be distributed to homes via electricity cables. The company claimed that Digital PowerLine could download at up to 2mbit/s -- far faster than even the quickest modems. Unfortunately, its promise has not paid off. A spokesman said that fierce competition for customers who want high-speed Internet connections and the imminent arrival of cable modems and ADSL put the viability of the project in doubt. As a result, United Utilities and Nortel Networks decided to end the project. Amateur radio buffs had claimed that pumping data down the same cables as mains electricity caused interference with some radio frequencies. The hams said the data was being rebroadcast by street lamps also connected to the substations handling the data. Nor.Web denied any such problems. © Copyright Telegraph Group Limited 1998. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russian hackers attack
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsweek.com/nw-srv/printed/us/st/sr0612_5.htm Newsweek, September 20, 1999 POLITICS 'We're in the Middle of a Cyberwar' Russian hackers may have pulled off what could be the most damaging breach ever of U.S. computer security By Gregory Vistica It's being called "Moonlight Maze," an appropriately cryptic name for one of the most potentially damaging breaches of American computer security ever -- serious enough for the Department of Defense to order all of its civilian and military employees to change their computer passwords by last month, the first time this precaution has ever been taken en masse. The suspects: crack cyberspooks from the Russian Academy of Sciences, a government-supported organization that interacts with Russia's top military labs. The targets: computer systems at the Departments of Defense and Energy, military contractors and leading civilian universities. The haul: vast quantities of data that, intelligence sources familiar with the case tell NEWSWEEK, could include classified naval codes and information on missile-guidance systems. This was, Pentagon officials say flatly, "a state-sponsored Russian intelligence effort to get U.S. technology" -- as far as is known, the first such attempt ever by Russia. Washington has not yet protested to Moscow. But Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre, who has briefed congressional committees on the investigation, has told colleagues: "We're in the middle of a cyberwar." In a cyberwar, the offensive force picks the battlefield, and the other side may not even realize when it's under attack. Defense Department officials believe the intrusions, which they describe as "sophisticated, patient and persistent," began at a low level of access in January. Security sleuths spotted them almost immediately and "back-hacked" the source to computers in Russia. Soon, though, the attackers developed new tools that allowed them to enter undetected (although they sometimes left electronic traces that could be reconstructed later). Intelligence sources say the perpetrators even gained "root level" access to some systems, a depth usually restricted to a few administrators. After that, "we're not certain where they went," says GOP Rep. Curt Weldon, who has held classified hearings on Moonlight Maze. As a federal interagency task force begins its damage assessment, a key question is whether the Russians managed to jump from the unclassified (although non-public) systems where they made their initial penetration into the classified Defense Department network that contains the most sensitive data. Administration officials insist the "firewalls" between the networks would have prevented any such intrusion, but other sources aren't so sure. Besides, one intelligence official admitted, classified data often lurk in unclassified databases. With enough time and computer power, the Russians could sift through their mountains of pilfered information and deduce those secrets they didn't directly steal. That's one more thing to worry about, although security officials admit that they have a more pressing concern. The intruders haven't been spotted on the network since May 14. Have they given up their efforts -- or burrowed so deeply into the network that they can no longer even be traced? . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Congress' Plan to Prevent the Rebuilding of Yugoslavia's Power and Heating plants - S1234 and HR 2606
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The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU
UPDATE ON DECLARING SERBIA A TERRORIST STATE
Conference on S1234 - which as passed would declare Yugoslavia a Terrorist
state (a foreign affairs appropriations bill) and its companion H 2606
Since my July 16th column on this bill, ("Yugoslavia: Give us your assets or
we kill your children -
http://www.originalsources.com/OS7-99MQC/7-16-1999.1.shtml) many of you have
written to your members of congress and spread the alarm to others. As
passed by the Senate 97-2 (only Sen. Bob Smith and Sen. Robt. Byrd voting
"No") S1234 would make it impossible for Yugoslavia to restore electrical
power and heating to Yugoslavia following destruction of those plants by
NATO bombs. The section which declared Yugoslavia a terrorist state was the
work of Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, a Republican and Sen. Frank
Lautenberg of New Jersey, a Democrat. Mitch McConnell is the chairman of
the Appropriations committee and Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, is Ranking
Member. I talked to aides of Sen. McConnell, Sen. Leahy and Sen. Hatch of
Utah personally about my concern that this provision would kill thousands
this winter in Yugoslavia - especially children, the ill and the elderly -
if they are deprived of heat and electricity. Sen. McConnell's aide seemed
genuinely concerned about that possibility. Sen. Leahy's aide also seemed
concerned, noting that the bills was the work of the Republicans (although
it wasn't - Sen. Lautenberg was co-sponsor of the provision on terrorism)
and Sen. Hatch's aide spoke strongly in favor of the provision saying"That's
what they deserve for choosing a man like Milosevic."
The final Senate bill had the terrorism provision in it. At the present
time the bill has been through the Senate Conference committee and a
conference report written. That committee is headed by Sen. McConnell. The
Conference report (see http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/z?cp106:sr081:)
HAS RETAINED THE TERRORISM PROVISION UNDER GENERAL PROVISIONS - see Sections
525 - on declaring Yugoslavia a terrorist state, and Section 578 on
sanctions against Yugoslavia. I first thought, after a discussion with Sen.
Hatch's aide, that this provision was removed by the Senate Conference
Committee. It was not. It had been moved to "General Provisions." So, as
it stand coming from the Senate, the Bill is HR 2606 and it contains the
provision which will prohibit any assistence to Serbia, which now contains
the largest number of refugees in the area, well over a million, and which
has had its civilian electrical plants and power plants badly damaged by
American bombs. As written, Section 525 prohibits not only the United
States from providing any aid, even to refugees in Serbia without Clinton's
specific approval, but requires the Secretary of State to use available
funding in other programs to try to prevent other nations from assisting
Yugoslavia to restore electricity and heat for the rapidly approaching
winter. For example, the USA could threaten to cut off IMF aid to Russia if
it sells steel to Serbia to rebuild the bridges we destroyed.
This bill now goes to a House-Senate Conference. Section 537 provides:
SERBIA
The Committee intends that none of the funds provided under this heading, or
in this Act, may be made available for reconstruction or development
activities for the Republic of Serbia, outside of Kosova. The Committee
would support a substantial increase in democratization activities in Serbia
and Montenegro, excluding Kosovo, including increased assistance as
authorized under the Support for East European Democracy Act of 1989.
The Committee is recommending a new general provision, section 537, that
would prohibit funds from being made available for assistance for the
Republic of Serbia. Such assistance is not appropriate at the present time.
On September 14th the House selected its Committee. Send a letter of e-mail
to committee members, or better, call their offices to demand that, inasmuch
as NATO and the KLA have now driven nearly all the Serb, Gypsy, Goran,
Jewish, Turkish and Egyptian citizens of Kosovo out of the province, mostly
to Serbia (which now has more than a million refugees) this provision hurts
not only the Serbs, but approximately 4 million non-Serb citizens of
Yugoslavia and the entire Balkan region. For example, Slovenia will not be
able to sell its steel to Serbia either
.
To e-mail, phone or fax House members of the Confernce Committee and your
own members of Congress go to:
http://originalsources.com/PLobby/ContactCongress.shtml
House Conference members are: Sonny Callahan, (R-AL) John Porter (R-IL),
Frank Wolf (R-VA), Ron Packard (R-CZ) , Joseph Knollenberg (R-MI), Jack
Kingston (R-GA) , Jerry Lewis (R-CA), Roy Blunt (R-MO), C.W. Bill Young
(R-FL), Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Nita Lowey (D-NY) Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL),
Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-MI) Martin Sabo (D-MN)and
[CTRL] Fwd: More about the 90's
MORE ABOUT THE 90'S _ You know the 90's are almost over when . . . 1. Everyone used to joke about a Starbucks on every corner, and now there is a Starbucks on every corner. 2. People mark December 31st on their calendar as "The End of the World." 3. Gen-Xers trade their futons in for orthopedic support mattresses. 4. You realize a big family is inefficient and decide to downsize. 5. HBO introduces it's new channel: HBO Pi - The channel that never repeats. 6. Movie promos brag, "Funniest Movie of the Millenium." 7. Parents complain to their college kids, "You never e-mail us anymore." 8. Clinton responds to all allegations with, "So what are you gonna do about it?" 9. People tell you their salary followed by, "with stock options." 10. George Foreman's Super-Deluxe Grill loses to Muhammad Ali's Damn-Straight Salad Shooter. 11. Ritalin comes in the shapes of Flintstones characters. 12. Everything computer science majors learn in school is outdated before graduation. 13. Domino's Pizza only delivers to non-smoking homes. 14. Out of force-of-habit, you tag your signature with ".com." 15. People refer to New Age remedies as Old School. 16. You realize you haven't seen a movie this decade that hasn't been interrupted by a cell phone. 17. You're sick of receiving lists about the 90s.
[CTRL] Human Genes®
-Caveat Lector- (As if this would stop "private enterprise" or government/military RD ...) Blair and Clinton push to stop gene patents By David Hencke, Rob Evans and Tim Radford Guardian (London) / Monday / September 20, 1999 Tony Blair and Bill Clinton are negotiating an Anglo-American agreement to protect the 100,000 genes that control the human body and provide the catalysts for medical advance. The extraordinary deal -- initiated by Mr Blair -- aims to prevent entrepreneurs profiting from gene patents and to ensure that the benefits of research are freely available worldwide to combat or even eliminate diseases. The two leaders decided to act after an acceleration in the pace of discovery of the make-up of the human body. In 1997, 8,000 genes had been mapped; by 2003, the body's entire 100,000 genes will have been mapped. The deal aims to ensure that world's largest medical charity, the British-owned Wellcome Trust, and the U.S. government owned National Institute of Health, publicise genes within 24 hours of their discovery -- so that the benefits accrue entirely to the public. Research bodies, universities or laboratories, would be obliged to waive their rights to patent their work in the public interest. To get the deal Mr Blair, through his science envoy, Lord Sainsbury, pressed the U.S. government to scrap an agreement with an American entrepreneur scientist, Craig Venter, who set up his own company, Celera, in Maryland, to patent as many human genes as possible. As revealed in the Guardian last year, Dr Venter believed that he had developed a method to map the whole gene make-up before the international venture could do so -- thus enabling him to patent the information. To protect his investment he tried to get a deal with the U.S. department of energy, which the Wellcome Trust warned would inhibit development of drugs since companies would have to buy a licence to use a Venter gene. Documents released to the Guardian under the U.S. freedom of information law show there have been discussions between Lord Sainsbury and Neal Lane, Bill Clinton's science and technology adviser, to turn what is known as the Bermuda accord -- an informal agreement to release all research on human genes without claiming patents -- into a full inter-governmental agreement. The two talked in Kyoto in Japan and Williamsburg in the U.S. during the Carnegie group summits of G8 science ministers. One e-mail by Mr Lane to a colleague in Washington last December says: "Tony Blair might approach the potus [Bill Clinton] about having a written agreement on cooperation re the human genome project. Lord Sainsbury is handling this matter for the PM. Harold Varmus [director of the U.S. national institute of health] feels an agreement is not really needed but has no objection to having one if it is felt to be important." Another e-mail discloses talks this year with Ari Patrinos, head of the human genome project at the U.S. department of energy, on how to draw up the Anglo-American agreement. The e-mail discloses that, before the talks, the department of energy withdrew its agreement with Celera and put up proposals to incorporate the company in a joint U.S.-UK agreement. Officials are worried it may not agree, but the e-mail ends: "Bottom line is that, although [the energy department] did have an earlier agreement with Celera, they have since withdrawn it and are working with [the U.S. health institute] and the Wellcome Trust as a group on any future industry agreements." The department of trade and industry said yesterday: "The U.S. has proposed an inter-government agreement on the human genome project. We are currently negotiating." The Wellcome Trust said it was keen on a deal that would develop the Bermuda accord. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Blaming the barbarians (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The Roman Church was simply following in the footsteps of the Caesars, who rewrote many of the ancient texts Roman civic religion was based on, such as the Sybilline Oracles. See Suetonius, inter alii, for a somewhat tabloid account; Robert Graves drew heavily on Suetonius for *I, Claudius* and *Claudius the God*, q.v. Yes, the Romans were meticulous record-keepers; but as with the Prussians and their successors the Germans, records can be neat and precise without necessarily being accurate. -Original Message- From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 7:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Blaming the barbarians (fwd) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-19 22:39:31 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Furthermore, decades before the northern tribes descended upon Rome, the church itself had burned all the critiques of Christianity written by prominent non-Christian scholars, such as Porphyry and Celsus. By the late fourth century, church censorship had extended into just about every area of learning. And so, by the early 4th Century, every inestimably priceless record of the first three centuries of Christianity (particularly in the Holy Land) had been destroyed -- by the Church itself, now centralized in Rome under a secular Emperor. The only surviving "history" is that written by Bishop Eusebius, Constantine the Great's own PR man -- Eusebius, maddeningly, selectively quotes the works of older scholars as Epiphanius, who, back in the early 2nd Century, could still thumb through the archives of Jesus' own disciples in Jerusalem. Just "coincidentally," by the early 4th Century, all the ROMAN records of the Imperial State's contact with the Christians in Jerusalem --for example, Pontius Pilate's report on Jesus' trial and crucifixion-- had "vanished" as well -- despite the fact that Rome's bureaucracy was meticulous in its record-keeping and just about everything else from the same period was intact. Even more "coincidentally," all the texts of the Gospels and Epistles that make up our New Testament today date from no later than the 4th Century, when Constantine and his "censors" destroyed everything but the version HE approved, which was icongruously flattering to the Romans (even in the Savior's time) and quite antagonistic toward the Jews. [Yes, I'm aware that the "oldest" MSS. of the Gospels go back further, to about 70-150 AD (John's the latest), but on closer inspection, these are only FRAGMENTS, i.e., not COMPLETE texts.] Why am I reminded of the mad Chinese Emperor who ordered destroyed all existing records of the eras preceding him, in order to have the privilege of writing his OWN version of Chinese history? Forever afterward, his history would be all we could rely on, so we'll just have to take him at his word -- he being, of course, a "scrupulous" sort DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [cp] Fwd: FTalk: Prosecutor ordered to return $117,000]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: FTalk: Prosecutor ordered to return $117,000 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:59:45 PDT From: "Craig N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Forfeiture Endangers American Rights http://www.fear.org/ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FEAR also offers a low-volume announcements list and digest mode for all lists, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to update your subscription. Prosecutor ordered to return $117,000 Tuesday, August 17, 1999 By JENNIFER VAN DOREN Staff Writer A state judge has ordered the Passaic County Prosecutor's Office to give back $117,000 it seized from the home of a Clifton businessman three years ago when the man's son was arrested on drug charges. In a decision released Monday, Superior Court Judge Burrell I. Humphreys said there was no evidence that the businessman, Fernando Zuniga, was involved in his son's drug trade in 1996. The businessman's son, Christian Zuniga, 23, pleaded guilty to drug-manufacturing charges and was sentenced in June 1997 to a minimum of three years, four months and a maximum of 10 years behind bars. Corrections officials say he has been in a halfway house since May. Fernando Zuniga's attorney, Pat Caserta, said his client imports spices from Mexico and that he needs large amounts of cash on hand because the spice trade changes quickly and purchases often need to be made on short notice. The bulk of the cash -- $80,000 -- was found in Fernando Zuniga's car. The judge pointed out that police didn't have a search warrant to look inside, but Zuniga gave them permission anyway and also told them almost exactly how much money would be there. The attorney said his client was making a gross income upward of $1 million a year buying spices in Mexico and reselling them in the United States. Caserta said that at one point, the Prosecutor's Office offered Christian Zuniga a better deal if his parents gave up their claim to the money, but that deal was rescinded. "This is a guy who came here from Mexico with a sixth-grade education and had a bodega and now this is where he is," Caserta said. "If he had just handed over the money, it would be saying it was drug money, and it wasn't; it was from his own hard work." During a court session on Friday, a Clifton police officer testified that the money still could have been used to buy drugs. Humphreys said that was not enough reason to permanently confiscate the cash. "The forfeiture of property must rest on a firmer foundation of evidence, especially when the claimant is not a criminal and the property is not found in close proximity to the illegal drugs and other contraband," Humphreys wrote. Prosecutors say Zuniga's money was one of the largest forfeiture amounts in recent memory. "This is a very large amount," said Terry Bogorad, assistant county prosecutor. "Typically, we get $50, $500 -- we get chicken feed. This was a major case." In 1996 -- the year that Zuniga's $117,000 was taken -- the county Prosecutor's Office seized a total of $412,763. Bogorad said it was still reasonable to assume the money came from drug profits, because of the large amount and the volume and diversity of cocaine found. She said both crack cocaine and powdered cocaine were seized and that informants testified that the younger Zuniga was a midlevel drug dealer. Caserta said it was ridiculous to assume that Christian Zuniga could have made that much money from selling drugs because the deals police saw were only for about $30 each. Copyright © 1999 Bergen Record Corp. Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com *** To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the body: UNSUBSCRIBE fear-talk *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
[CTRL] Mars City: FWP's Conspiracy to Take Over the World.
-Caveat Lector- All the garbage in the text must be a counter-conspiracy. Let me try it again The material below is from Chapter 13 of "Everyday Robots". In order to understand the full argument as to why Mars City can be built now and is within current technologies and budgets, the reader should also examine the rest of Chapter 13 (44 k.) and Chapter 12 (Roboeconomics/Robopolitics), which is 37 k. FWP. -- Preceding units clipped http://www.nas.com/venus Jacque Fresco's Florida-based Venus Project provides a 48 minute video on highly automated or totally automated Future Cities. The economic model is called "resource-based economics" which is a good way of expressing the idea that intelligent machines can take raw materials or starting materials and then process them, step-by-step into all of the amenities of life. Fresco is one of the great visionaries of our time, rightly described by the editors of "The Futurist" magazine as in a league with people like Buckminster Fuller. http://www.freedomship.com Richard Nixon's "Freedom Ship" captures the imagination as a giant city at sea for 100,000 people which would, I expect be a sovereign state in its own right. Would it be accepted for UN membership? Perhaps if it were to purchase an island or claim a "near-island" (submerged island) in international waters, it would be accepted. Freedom Ship is having some success in pre-selling homes onboard. http://www.new-utopia.org/new.html Lazarus Long's project, despite the unlikely name (Utopia) is also having some success in getting people to invest their money in a project to develop a submerged "near-island" in the Caribbean. Also unlikely is the fact that this is planned to be a principality with "Prince Lazarus" as its supreme leader. Prince Lazarus is serious about having New Utopia accepted for UN membership. He may succeed, allowing that there are many different choices made by people as to their "way of life". http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~bat/sea-city.html This is another City-at-Sea project, in this case for 30,000. Another interesting feature is that it intends to maximize automation. While automation is not a focus in projects like New Utopia, it is unlikely that such a factor could be ignored in this era. Investors will bring it up. Sea-City could do very well if some of the automation experts who abound in UK should decide to back it. http://www.ntticc.or.jp/special/utopia/model/prototype/scheme1_e.html Here we have a proposal for a high tech model habitat with the backing of a well recognized university (Waseda University). Despite another unlikely name, "Mirage City", this is a project to watch. http://www.juga.com This project may signal the way planning for future cities and even new sovereign nations will be done soon. The web site proposes to organize 5,000,000 people by Internet and when that is accomplished apply for UN membership. So far they have almost 5,000 citizens signed up. There are other projects along these lines and to keep up to date I would suggest subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is every reason to expect substantial progress somewhere on the planet in planning such cities and when that happens it will usher in a dramatic new era in global designing and planning of new cities and states. The world population is after all expected to keep increasing at 100,000,000/year for at least a few decades and most of that will accrue to cities. Miscellaneous thoughts and other new city projects can be found at http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex. For example there is a link to the new city, Cyberjaya being planned and built by the Malaysian Government. Though such a government-backed high technology city is likely to be cautious and conservative, it is almost certain to carry through to completion. And yes, those words are "cautious and conservative" which means there is a large technological lag between what technology can do within current technologies and budgets and what governments and the plutocracy which controls governments will allow in the public domain. With the "Mars City" proposal below there are no such inhibitions. Mars City Let me propose a city plan for a Future City on Mars. However, we will build it first on planet Earth and then relocate it to Mars. Mars City will be a contribution to earthling culture because it will give the inhabitants of this planet an opportunity to learn how a habitat approaching total automation impacts upon Earth civilization. As Wendy B. Rauch-Hindin writes in "A Guide to Commercial Artificial Intelligence" (1988), "...even though the experts know what to do, they cannot explain how to handle a problem unless they are immersed in the actual situation. What knowledge engineers must do, then, is live through various situations with their experts over a long period of time." (p. 105). Even experts on community
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: Church Victims' Passive Reaction
-Caveat Lector- Television is the most successful weapon of control deployed on any people EVER. BG It's the teleboob. TV watchers repeatedly behave this way in stories of violence. Perhaps their senses are so numbed by incessant watching of violence on TV that they are unable to react in a real-life situation. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Man for the Republic
-Caveat Lector- From www.antiwar.com Behind the Headlines Justin Raimondo [Begin excerpt} September 20, 1999 BUCHANAN'S A REPUBLIC, NOT AN EMPIRE A MANIFESTO FOR THE NEW ANTIWAR MOVEMENT While op ed pieces and television talking heads speculate on and debate the political impact of Patrick J. Buchanan's switch to the Reform Party, and the Republican Establishment goes ballistic, the real story of what makes Pat run is to be found in the pages of his latest book. Released just as the attacks on (and rising support for) PJB are reaching a crescendo, A Republic, Not an Empire is most definitely not a campaign book of the sort we are all-too-used to, one such as George Dubya and/or Gore the Bore might write, filled with pompous bromides, innocuous blather, and more padded than the intake room at Bellvue. It is indeed not a campaign book at all, unless you are talking about Buchanan's ongoing campaign to inject a note of sanity into the foreign policy debate: it is, instead, the passionately written, startlingly original, and intellectually daring manifesto of a principled noninterventionist, whose distinct and unique view of America and the world is expressed in nearly flawless prose. break A MILESTONE Whether or not he really believes he can be elected President is not the subject of this column, and I take no position (and neither does Antiwar.com) on whether he will or ought to be elected to that exalted office. I can only say that the appearance of this book is a milestone in the history of the opposition to war in this country. For here, between two covers, is the case for peace and nonintervention, for a foreign policy that puts America not only first, but also as Pat likes to put it second and third as well. Aside from his few allusions to trade protectionism a view with which I thoroughly disagree, but which is easily separable from his foreign policy stance this book is a near perfect summary of the most important issue of our time: the vital question of war and peace. There are not many guideposts we can point to that offer a consistent vision of what a pro-American noninterventionist foreign policy would be like, or why it is preferable to the crusading globalism of our bloody-minded rulers: A Republic, Not an Empire is one of them. Justin Raimondo is the editorial director of Antiwar.com. He is also the author of Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement (with an Introduction by Patrick J. Buchanan), (1993), and Into the Bosnian Quagmire: The Case Against US Intervention in the Balkans (1996). He is an Adjunct Scholar with the Ludwig von Mises Institute, in Auburn, Alabama, a Senior Fellow at the Center for Libertarian Studies, and writes frequently for Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture. He is the author of An Enemy of the State: The Life of Murray N. Rothbard (forthcoming from Prometheus Books). Sign up for our Mailing List Please Support Antiwar.com [End excerpt] AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and
Re: [CTRL] Help!
-Caveat Lector- I received you here loud and clear. Is that what you were wanting? A systems check? Rooster On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:58:38 -0400 Phil Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dogonit! You guys did this to me a few days ago, too! Didn't answer my e-mails requesting help and forced me to reregister using another name (since I had no idea what else could be wrong then, either). This time, however, I'm getting a "cookies" problem screen. I don't know what to do about it as I haven't changed anything and I was posting and scooting around ok just last night. So what's up already? Please help resolve this as I'm at a critical point following my meager investments and need to stay in touch and connected with the thread I'm following. Thanks, Phil Chapman, "Chappamano", Password "Burr" PS Going out now to play "dogball", i. e. very bad tennis. Sure hope I can post (and scoot around) when I get back. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Peaceful Reasoning
-Caveat Lector- What a total crock of bull. I have never sat through such NWO BS in my life. We (America) need to keep our missiles pointed straight at Russia and China more now than ever before. I know this much. If they nuke us I want to know while I'm dying that atleast we got some off and they are ON THEIR WAY straight up Red Square and Moscow. Wow, would you look at that. I said more with less than a hundred words than oh Global Boy said with a thousand. Sorry, I just hate global thinking. Why? Because that is how Clinton and Gore think. And that's a good enough reason for me. Rooster On Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:51:11 -0700 David Crockett Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Subject: Global Peace Walk message/letter of support: Date: Sunday, September 19, 1999 3:41 PM From: Peace Through Reason, Peace Park Antinuclear Vigil (White House) To: Global Peace Walk2000 We support the Global Peace Walk Project and thank Reverend Yusen Yamato and David Crockett Williams for their prayer walk from California to the White House and United Nations, seeking and teaching the global abolition of nuclear weapons -- testing, wastes, and other dangers. We agree that it adds strength to the nuclear abolition movement to unite all survival issues together under a prayer for "Global Peace Now!" We also support the idea of a Global Peace and Environment Platform for candidates in the Year 2000 U.S. National elections. The world we all live in is the product of ideas, individual and collective. For too long humanity's time, energy, "money," have been funneled into rotten ideas. This situation can be changed if we spend our energy and resources on PRACTICAL concepts, and transform the deadly "military-industrial complex" President Eisenhower warned about into self-sustaining, environment- and neighbor-friendly industries. (See http://prop1.org/convert/convpro.htm.) We are very encouraged that DC Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton has again introduced into Congress HR-2545, the Nuclear Disarmament and Economic Conversion Act of 1999, which calls on the U.S. to commit to global nuclear disarmament, and to redirect weapons funding to peaceful purposes such as housing, health care, education, food, and environmental restoration. See http://prop1.org/prop1/hr2545.htm. This bill was first submitted, in 1994, as the result of a successful Washington, DC ballot initiative (#37, 1993), which asked the mayor to advise our Congresswoman that the majority of the voters wanted her to introduce it. We hope that Global Peace Walk2000 will help alert the people in America and around the world to this great opportunity, which only needs adequate public support to be made into law in the U.S. ... and thence around the world. (See suggestions, and text of bill, below.) Your efforts can be very helpful. Thank you for carrying and sharing the idea of eliminating nuclear weapons while walking to Washington DC. We'd certainly like to see the materialization of your vision of gathering over a million people around the Washington Monument on October 12, 2000; let us know what we can do to help. We'll be waiting to welcome you when you arrive on October 9, 2000. We'll forward your appeal to the Mayor and City Council for a proclamation that Washington DC should be a Global Peace Zone. Meanwhile, send us press clippings and commentary about your walk across the country, and we'll help by posting updates on our website (http://prop1.org), and to our extensive list of email subscribers. We'll also help you and other subscribers to keep up to date on what's happening, good and bad, on our mother, Earth. See http://prop1.org/nucnews/nucnews.htm W.Thomas Ellen Thomas and other members of the Vigil (see http://prop1.org/parkcurr.htm) -- WHAT YOU CAN DO To Help Rid the World of Nuclear Weapons WORLD CITIZENS (this means EVERYBODY!): * Write the United Nations Ambassadors for all countries with nuclear weapons (Britain, China, France, Israel, India, Pakistan, Russia, United States) and those suspected of wanting nuclear weapons (such as North Korea, Iraq, Iran). Write c/o U.N. Plaza, New York, NY 10017, USA, and say, "Please promise, and use your influence to convince all nuclear powers to publicly promise, 'YES, we will eliminate all our nuclear weapons, if everyone else does.' Don't quit until the job is done!" * Call (202-225-3121) AND write Members of the U.S. House of Representatives (Washington, DC 20015); ask them to release HR-2545, the "Nuclear Disarmament and Economic Conversion Act," to the full House of Representatives for debate and vote. Please tell the U.S. House of Representatives "Armed Services" and "International Relations" Committees that it's undemocratic to withhold this important legislation from the rest of their colleagues. (You can write c/o U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, DC 20515, USA -- or
Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.
-Caveat Lector- One place to start might be with local currencies, such as the one in use in Ithaca, NY, which uses work as its medium of exchange--almost but not quite a barter system. It operates only within Ithaca proper, but could easily be extended. Such a currency encourages the growth of voluntary local community; no one need participate--you can still use the "official" currency if you want to. In addition, the "new" money carries an expiration date; in other words, you *have* to use it within a certain period of time in order to redeem its face value. Another crucial point to realize is that, during a crisis, normal social structures break down. There is, very roughly, a three-day cycle of crisis. During Day 1 and the first part of Day 2, *there is no government*--the people are forced to rely on themselves and on each other. This is the closest you will ever see to pure Kropotskian mutual aid. By the middle of Day 2, self-interest begins to reassert itself, causing mutual aid to break down; and Day 3 sees "government" in some form (often military) taking charge. HOWEVER, when a new crisis occurs before the earlier crisis has resolved, it is possible for mutual aid to remain in effect for a much longer period. Although the temptation is always for government to maintain the public in a state of crisis and uncertainty, this very tendency contains within itself the downfall of the government itself, because it will encourage the development of community institutions which function without any reference to the government. So...carpe diem, people! Seize the day! If government is incompetent, it's also irrelevant. Take matters into your own hands; create your own money; run your own lives. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system. -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/18/99 8:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What should we DO? I'm more of a THINKER than a DOER, in case you hadn't noticed. I've got no easy answers, even for myself; but it's necessary, IMHO, to begin asking that question with a much more serious tone than we've been doing up until this point. I agree and the same is true for me. I think it is imperative that people start to DO SOMETHING, no matter how seemingly small or "insignificant." Sometimes this is enough to get the ball rolling, so to speak. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers
-Caveat Lector- Slaves Obey Your Masters! Rory Winter wrote: Re our Yiddisher friend, Joshua2, with no sense of humor may I suggest we start a Campaign to nominate the Dalai Lama to replace the Pope? Oi vay! What a brilliant way to start the X'tian Millenium! --Support the Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications-- www.unmetered.org.uk - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers -Caveat Lector- Nicola Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.audiocentral.com/rshows/6640/archives98.html That was interesting Michael. snip hmmm Now this could turn out interesting I have heard, from someone who was originally Jewish living in Israel that more than half the Orthodox Rabbis living in Israel have recognized Jesus as the Messiah and will all announce it together when they think it is the right time. Nicky Look, I don't really care what you believe, but this statement above is so absurd that it only indicates how desperately naive you are. Who ever gave you that information is lying to you, and you are too ignorant to recognize it. If you would have said that half the Reform, or Reconstructionist, or New Age Rabbis have recognized Jesus as the Messiah, though unlikely, that MIGHT enter into the realm of possibility. But to make that claim for orthodox Rabbis in Israel is completely off the wall. This is half baked Christian propaganda based entirely on wishful thinking. It's like saying the Dali Lama will be the next Pope. One would have to be totally ignorant of both religions to think this possible. Believe what you want, but leave the Jews out of it. Jews have no interest in Jesus at all. If you Christians are waiting for a group to convert before Jesus returns, I suggest you try the South Koreans. The Jews never will. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The myth of the liberal campus (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Your points are well taken, DG. Individual departments within academia are politicized. It has a lot to do with job security, career advancement and the usual office politics that can be found in most large institutions. But many of the individuals in academia who claim to be PC are anything but. Academics are as racist and mean-spirited as many individuals in the general population (sometimes more so). Many of the champions of PC are complete hypocritesbut hypocrites can be found in any number of different professions: doctors, lawyers, businessmen, etc. A similar opportunistic dynamic occurs on the "conservative" side of the political spectrum. If you were to attend an institution in the south, you would find that some academics are eager to jump on the neo-liberal or conservative bandwagon...because it's rather trendy these days to be a "libertarian" or market enthusiast. There has always been a war going on within academia Conservatives pack their departments with colleagues who are sympathetic to their views, and leftists do the same. Some of the departments at major universities begin to take on the characteristics of covensone has to be a member of the particular cult in order to have job security. If the left dominates and controls the political climate at SF State and Cal, one can go to Vanderbilt, Clemson, Tulane, SMU any number of institutions in the south for a right wing version of the same dynamic. Sometimes these squabbles break out into the open. Look at what happened at Yale. They had to build a separate English department for the Bloom contingent. The constant bickering, sniping, bad blood and "dirty tricks" is just the way the game is played in academe. But Parenti's criticism has some validity. Universities are not outside the realm of politics... They are dependent on corporate and government largesse...so they are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Also, notice how education in America increasingly has a great deal to do with socialization, entertainment, "the university experience," sports, finding an affluent mate...and very little to do with critical thinking. This "dumbing down" is not the result of evil PC liberals...on the contrary... it's a result of post-industrial capitalism. Corporate America needs consumerssheep who will do what they're told. They would prefer an educational system that prepares individuals to follow orders, not question authority. Regards, Wm On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-19 22:31:39 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The purging of dissidence within the universities continues to this day. More frequent but less visible than the firings are the nonhirings. Highly qualified social scientists who are also known progressives have applied for positions at places too numerous to mention, only to be turned down in favor of candidates who--as measured by their training, publications, and teaching experience--are far less qualified. Scholars of a dissident bent are regularly discriminated against in the distribution of research grants and scholar ships. After writing "The Power Elite," C. Wright Mills was abruptly cut off from foundation funding. To this day, radical academics are rarely considered for appointments within their professional associations and are regularly passed over for prestigious lecture invitations and appointments to editorial boards of the more influential professional journals. Gee, thanks for the reminder ... And here I was, starting to take more seriously my wife's suggestion that I return to school, get a higher degree, and teach, while developing a reputation as a scholar ... Yeah, right -- like they'd ALLOW an iconoclast like *me* to have tenure ... ROFL I take issue with the author of this piece, however, on his rather sweeping claim that the "conservatization" of the university system is as near-total as he makes it sound. He didn't tell you, for example, that the aforementioned Angela Davies, after being denied tenure everywhere else, finally found a home at MY alma mater, San Francisco State U. (once rivalling UC Berkeley in radicalism, and still proud of it), now an EXTREMELY PC institution, where the polar opposite of his thesis was the rule, speaking from first-hand experience. (My description could be confirmed by the Old Lefties among the school's administrators, with whom I used to hang out, sharing shudders as we contemplated the icy ideologism and quasi-fascist conduct of this "New Guard.") To win my degree in interdisciplinary Soc Sci and graduate second in my class with a 4.0 GPA --in THAT major (I was a double major, the other being Clin Psy, where faculty bias was even more rampant)-- I'd frequently had to go over the heads of martinet PC professors to more rational and seasoned department heads to get a fair hearing and a less "ideological" appraisal of my
Re: [CTRL] The myth of the liberal campus
-Caveat Lector- In my ignorance, I once believed that a university harbored dedicated scholars who were interested in searching for the truth. Ha! What a farce!! In reality, it's a playground for crackpots and zanies...complete loonies of various political stripes... A pox on all of them! I was told by my research advisor that I should abandon my investigation into the origins of the Federal Reserve because it was too controversial a topic. My criticism of neoliberalism was felt to be too dangerous...and too upsetting to some unnamed members in the department. Academic freedom? Ha! What a joke! Many of the instructors had their groupiesmen and women who more or less had to cater to the whims of individuals who imagined themselves as demigods A very creepy,depressing scene. On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Seems to me "progressives" (Left Hegelians) would be advised to keep quiet else more citizens will learn the truth and pressure Congress and State Legislatures to cut funding. . Under the Gramsci Marxist flag and PC nonsense they already have a grip on most Universities,. the Right Hegelians have a grip on the others. In my experience ( Gottingen,London,UCLA, Cal State Los Angeles, Stanford) either left or right Hegelians run the show. I had problems 30-40 years ago. Today I would not apply for ANYTHING, entry, tenure, research money. Independent minded scholars are automatically pushed out the door. Just say "no" and ignore the system. Since I was thrown out of Hoover Institution Stanford 30 years ago for writing a book that was independent and truthful (BEST ENEMY MONEY CANBUY) I find the only route is to use the enterprise system (or whats left of it) to finance personal academic work... You have to be full of energy and stubborn but it can be done. To show you how hypocritical these Hegelians are. Hoover Press has kept the first 3 volumes of my WEST TECH in print for 32 years.(without paying a penny in royalties)... while I was thrown out of Hoover for writing the 4th volume.sequel. Both left and right Hegelians were in agreement. I was a problem to be silenced. The Left doesnt like me becuase I exposed their darling the Soviet Union(the failure of socialist "planning"} and the Right because I threatened the profits of corporations propping up the Soviet Union. ( (To havea big military budget you have to have an enemy) Today I doubt anyone, even someone with the obvious talents of Das Goat could make it through the maze without an ability to act schizoid for long periods..But you dont need the. system. Want a fancy piece of paper. ? to demonstrate "qualifications". There are ways ot get these tickets to mediocrity without too much sweat. There are flaws in the system. Any ways who would want to live in a system with PC running the show. ?/ A mind numbing gulagwe all have to think alike and be alike..that make it easier to control. The progressives have become fascists and the corporate fascists have become socialists. This will be their downfall in time.t ANTONY C SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Sen. Wayne Morse- True Patriot.
-Caveat Lector- The Enduring Spirit Of A Dissident Senator By Norman Solomon The black-and-white TV footage is grainy and faded, but it still jumps off the screen -- a portentous clash between a prominent reporter and a maverick politician. Thirty-five years ago, on the CBS program "Face the Nation," journalist Peter Lisagor argued with a senator who stood almost alone on Capitol Hill, strongly opposing the war in Vietnam from the outset. "Senator, the Constitution gives to the president of the United States the sole responsibility for the conduct of foreign policy," Lisagor said. "Couldn't be more wrong," Wayne Morse broke in. "You couldn't make a more unsound legal statement than the one you have just made. This is the promulgation of an old fallacy that foreign policy belongs to the president of the United States. That's nonsense." Lisagor: "To whom does it belong then, senator?" Morse: "It belongs to the American people. ... And I am pleading that the American people be given the facts about foreign policy." Lisagor: "You know, senator, that the American people cannot formulate and execute foreign policy." Morse: "Why do you say that? ... I have complete faith in the ability of the American people to follow the facts if you'll give them. And my charge against my government is -- we're not giving the American people the facts." In early August 1964, Morse was one of only two senators to vote against the Tonkin Gulf resolution, which served as a green light for the Vietnam War. While reviled by much of the press in his home state of Oregon as well as nationwide, he persisted with fierce oratory for peace. It would have been much easier to acquiesce to the media's war fever. But Morse was not the silent type, especially in matters of conscience. On Feb. 27, 1968, I sat in a small room at the Capitol to watch a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Six members of the panel were seated around a long table. Most of all, I remember Morse's voice, raspy and urgent. "My views are no longer lonely," he noted at one point, adding: "You have millions of people who are not going to support this tyranny that American boys are being killed in South Vietnam to maintain in power." Morse summed up his position on negotiations between the U.S. government and its Vietnamese adversaries: "Who are we to say there have to be two Vietnams? They are not going to do it and they shouldn't do it. There isn't any reason in the world why the North Vietnamese and the Vietcong should ever come to a negotiating table on the basis that there must be two Vietnams." Moments before the hearing adjourned, Morse said that he did not "intend to put the blood of this war on my hands." At the time, Oregon's senior senator was remarkable because he challenged the morality -- not just the "winability" -- of the war. He passionately asserted that the United States had no right to impose its will on the world. In the process, he made enemies of many fellow Democrats, including President Lyndon Johnson. Like most heretics, Morse suffered consequences. After 24 years in the Senate, he lost a race for re-election in November 1968. The winner was a slick politician named Robert Packwood, who denounced Morse's anti-war fervor. In his lifetime, Morse became a media pariah. In the quarter-century since his death, political reporters have rarely mentioned his name. But a vivid new documentary, premiering this fall, will allow viewers to see and hear for themselves. Produced by independent filmmakers Christopher Houser and Robert Millis, "The Last Angry Man" chronicles the extraordinary efforts and intrepid spirit of Wayne Morse. The one-hour movie (summarized at www.squaredeal.net) includes stunning excerpts from speeches and interviews that convey the fortitude and courage of a senator who put principle above politics. "I don't know why we think, just because we're mighty, that we have the right to try to substitute might for right," Morse said on national television in 1964. "And that's the American policy in Southeast Asia -- just as unsound when we do it as when Russia does it." Three years later, he declared: "We're going to become guilty, in my judgment, of being the greatest threat to the peace of the world. It's an ugly reality, and we Americans don't like to face up to it. I hate to think of the chapter of American history that's going to be written in the future in connection with our outlawry in Southeast Asia." Such heresy infuriated many powerful politicians -- and journalists -- while Wayne Morse did all he could to block a war train speeding to catastrophe. -- -- Norman Solomon's new book is "The Habits of Highly Deceptive Media." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and
[CTRL] Jet Set East Timor - the road to hell/09-20-99
-Caveat Lector- Two words should do: ""Turn around"" From the Sydney (Australia) Morning Herald British jets on way to Jakarta By SIMON MANN in London Britain was facing embarrassment yesterday over revelations that three Hawk fighter jets would arrive in Indonesia soon despite assurances by the Foreign Secretary, Mr Robin Cook, that no more British-made arms would be sold to Jakarta. The jets were apparently already in Thailand at the time the Government declared its embargo last weekend, but their onward journey had been interrupted when one of the pilots fell ill, according to a report in the Sunday Times. A Government spokesman said it would be impossible to stop delivery of the jets. It was also revealed yesterday that Britain had spent more than £1 million ($2.4 million) training 50 Indonesian officers at its military colleges in the two years since the Blair Government came to power. And a report in The Observer said a US program, which continued until last year, was hidden from the public after Congress ended official training of the Indonesian military after a massacre in 1991. Quoting Pentagon documents, the newspaper said the covert operation included expert training of the Kopassus, Indonesia's elite force, which human rights groups claim has been responsible for a string of atrocities. Specific commanders, including former president Soeharto's son-in-law, General Prabowo Subianto, and General Kiki Syahnakri, the soldier in charge of martial law enforcement, were trained in guerilla warfare, surveillance, counter-intelligence, sniper marksmanship and "psychological operations". Copyright © 1999. The Sydney Morning Herald All rights reserved. --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:26:50 +0100 The road to hell is paved with good intentions Will Deighton explains why the pressure for international intervention in East Timor was destined to end in bloodshed When Indonesian foreign minister Ali Alatas finally agreed to the posting of an international force in East Timor in September, it was seen as a positive breakthrough for Western intervention in the conflict. The claim for East Timorese independence has been advanced by the radicals of the Fretilin movement throughout the period of Indonesian rule over this former Portuguese colony. But it is only in the past four years, since European governments, along with Australia and New Zealand, have adopted the cause of East Timor, that is has become a major international issue. Yet the results of the process of intervention have been catastrophic. Throughout the Cold War, all of the Western allies backed the Indonesian regime of President Suharto, regardless of what it did to its opponents at home or in East Timor. Suharto's 34-year dictatorship began in a bloody coup in 1965 when, with full American support, the Indonesian military overthrew the radical nationalist President Sukarno and crushed the Indonesian Communist Party. Half a million people died. Suharto's Indonesia proved a valuable ally of the USA in a volatile region, where the West had suffered setbacks in China, Korea and Vietnam. A grateful Anglo-American elite feted Suharto's military regime with money and guns. British arms sales have included Rapier air defence systems, Navy frigates - and in 1993 £500 million worth of contracts for 24 Hawk jets. In more recent times, the major pressure for a reconsideration of policy towards Indonesia has come from the burgeoning army of international non-governmental organisations (NGOs). These pressure groups are generally funded by Western governments or through contributions, and have a remit to give aid or to act as advocates for victims of repression. Campaigns like Amnesty International, the World Development Movement and the Campaign Against the Arms Trade adopted the cause of the East Timorese people through humanitarian intentions. But in demanding more international intervention in East Timor, they set in motion a process where bloodshed became inevitable. The NGOs have come to the fore as a motor of military and political intervention in the third world since the end of the Cold War. The impact of the NGOs upon localised conflicts (such as exist in most parts of the world) has tended to internationalise them. In the process such conflicts are made uncontainable. Intervention transforms the protagonists, through bringing them into contact with well-connected NGOs which provide a line to the world's media and governments. Secessionist movements then tend to adopt a strategy of internationalising regional conflicts, so that their territorial and political demands are made primarily to the outside world. Since everybody is now playing to the global gallery, and no party any longer has an interest in reaching an internal agreement, the conflicts are prolonged and intensified. In the case of East Timor the internationalisation of the claim for
[CTRL] Rapture In The Raw
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bruce Mcneely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SC] Skeptic News - Monday #1 - Labor Day [U.S.] Many believe that in an instant millions of people will disappear from the face of the earth, shedding their clothing, shoes, eyeglasses and jewelry Yee-Haw! Naked party! Party hearty, dewd! And be sure to grab their jewelry. But you may have to fight off the Republicans/Reptilioids for the flashy goodies. At least there won't be any squabbling over the clothes - nobody who's left will want to dress like The Raptured. I suppose the eyeglasses could be donated. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers
-Caveat Lector- Good idea Bill, This is strange. There seems to be some evidence that the Pope and ex Jesuit Malachi being Jews. Did I post it here? The Dali Lama is in with the Nazis according to the book Black Sun by Peter Moon. Sky Books. Is he even a Buddhist? Don't forget the Nazis followed Madam Blavatsky who channelled a Tibetan who told her the Aryans came from the Gobi Desert and were the 5th root race.There were supposed to be 1000 or so Tibetans in Nazi uniform in Germany who committed suicide when Germany fell. Yassar Arafat a Freemason. Yitztak Rabin a Freemason too. You've got Jean Houston advisor to the Clintons, LSD disabled, channelling the Goddess Athena for advice. The Catholics following the Fatima 'visions'. Lord Rothschild claims to be sitting on the throne of David. Is anybody actually coming clean about what they really standing for? I'd like to slip them some of that truth drug. Imagine the Dali Lama yelling Heil Hitler.So much for peace and love: ) Nicky Bill wrote: -Caveat Lector- Slaves Obey Your Masters! Rory Winter wrote: Re our Yiddisher friend, Joshua2, with no sense of humor may I suggest we start a Campaign to nominate the Dalai Lama to replace the Pope? Oi vay! What a brilliant way to start the X'tian Millenium! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Human Rights Celebrated and Reaffirmed
-Caveat Lector- Human Rights Celebrated and Reaffirmed By Ken Gewertz Gazette Staff There is no recorded case of a famine occurring in a democratic country. The statement sounds incredible, and yet, according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen, it can be backed up with facts. His own country of India, for example, has not had a famine since it won its independence from Great Britain in 1947. The most recent famine took place in Bengal in 1943, a disaster that claimed the lives of millions. The reason democracy renders a country famine-proof is quite simple, Sen explains: "When the poor are given a voice, then the government has an incentive to do something about the problem. No government can afford to have a famine if it has to face a free electorate." Sen, who is currently Lamont University Professor Emeritus, adjunct professor at the School of Public Health, and a visiting professor in the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, in addition to serving as Master of Trinity College in Cambridge University, England, is one of the world¹s leading authorities on welfare economics. For years he has argued that freedom and democracy (and related social issues such as education, health care, and gender equity) are not separate from the alleviation of poverty. Rather, the two concerns are inextricably connected. "Freedom is both the primary end and principal means of development," Sen says. Receiving the 1998 Nobel Prize has given wider scope to Sen¹s lifelong promotion of this key idea. Using roughly half of the $1 million prize money, he has set up a charitable organization named the Pratichi Trust, after his family home in Santiniketan, a university town north of Calcutta. Sen announced last December that he would be donating part of his prize money for such a purpose. The announcement was made at a public reception in Calcutta at which 10,000 people crowded a sports arena to honor Sen for receiving the Nobel Prize. This past August he formally announced the establishment of the Trust, a statement which promptly became front-page news in major Indian papers. In a related event, Sen has just published a new book, Development as Freedom (Alfred A. Knopf), which presents in an accessible, nontechnical style many of the issues that the Pratichi Trust will address. Sen is currently on tour promoting his book, beginning with a book signing this past Monday at the Hasty Pudding Club, sponsored by the Harvard Book Store. One major focus of the Trust will be elementary education in India, an area Sen feels has been neglected. India, he said, has always emphasized higher education at the expense of basic education, a situation that has led to a high proportion of people with advanced degrees but only a 50 to 60 percent literacy rate. Sen said that the Pratichi Trust will attack these problems by setting up an institute for the study of primary education and its problems. He has identified inadequate government support, structural inefficiency, the reluctance of families to send children (particularly girls) to school, and the lack of interaction between parents and teachers as some of the principal difficulties the institute will address. "There is a lot to learn from the successes and failures of different Indian states, and also from international experience," Sen said. Sen will also set up a related trust in Bangladesh that will work on alleviating the special disadvantages suffered by girls and women. Part of Sen¹s childhood was spent in Bangladesh (then part of India) and he has been granted honorary citizenship by that country. The Indian trust is managed by a board of Trustees, including Sen¹s daughter, Antara Dev Sen, formerly senior editor of the Hindusthan Times. Before taking on her duties as a board member of the Pratichi Trust, she wrote a report for the Red Cross on war-torn Angola, which involved traveling through rebel territory. "She is quite a courageous woman. I am very proud of her," Sen said. Sen acknowledges that the money he is donating to the trusts, approximately $400,000 after taxes, is "tiny in an American context, but it can get things going in India." He is also hopeful that his initial donation will attract more funds, which will allow the trusts to widen their research and advocacy activities. He said that he is delighted to be able to make such a contribution, having spent many years encouraging the federal and state governments of India to do so. "It gives me the chance to go beyond my academic and scientific work, and even beyond my advocacy roles in public discussions, to do something tangible and immediate in the direction in which I would like to see things happen." Copyright 1999 President and Fellows of Harvard College DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many
[CTRL] Cox and Dicks accuse China of espionage ..
Title: The Cox and Dicks China Espionage Report Ate My Balls - 5/26/99 Wednesday, May 26, 1999 Cox and Dicks accuse China of espionage in order to try to draw attention away from their names being Cox and Dicks!!! by HC Genitaliaville, DC - (May 26) - Representative Chris Cox of California, and Representative Norm Dicks of Washington, chairman and ranking member respectively of the House Committee on National Security and China, released their glossy 500-page report about massive Chinese espionage, today, during a star-studded congressional report-releasing ceremony extravaganza held beside a hearts game where somebody with too much hubris or the masochism gene was shooting the moon on queen, nine, three. The purpose of the report is to try to draw public attention away from the fact that the names of the two guys who wrote it are, like, COX and DICKS, and that DICKS is, like, the so-called "ranking MEMBER." If you know what I mean. Anyway, according to the glossy 500-page report, back in 1994, China stole top secret plans from MIT for an advanced new form of fire drill, while the President wasn't looking or something, and then changed the color of the packaging and stuck their own brand name on it and started claiming that THEY invented the fire drill, which they also claimed was really called the Chinese fire drill. According to the report, not only that, but the Chinese are also planning to try to make the Chinese fire drill an Olympic sport and are already working on the world famous Olympic selection committee members by giving them college scholarships and vacations in Biarritz up the wazoo and threatening them with the famous British water torture, if they don't play along. E-commerce suddenly found to suck Internet stocks were sharply down again today on news that somebody had actually tried to buy something over the internet. Market sharply down The market was sharply down again today as stock brokers learned that, because of huge licensing fees levelled by the Chinese, they could no longer afford to drive around Manhattan on their lunch hour, slamming on their brakes and pulling off endless raucous Chinese fire drills at every stop light and sink hole. This is apparently a serious blow to the US stock market and its ancillary so-called "world economy" as it now leaves the brokers with only snapping towels at each others genitals in the locker room, to relieve their tension in between trades. Hawkings admits he made it all up World famous "cosmologist" Stephen Hawkings, admitted today that, like, all that stuff about the universe and black holes and collapsing stars an' stuff, was just a load of bullshit he made up, one day, to save his own collapsing career. "Just pulled it all out of my ass," said Hawkings' voice synthesizer, which he also admitted was a load of crap cause he can actually talk -- but, this way, he has a layer of software and hardware to blame when somebody politely accuses him of having just pulled it all out of his ass, one day. [ PREVIOUS | ARCHIVES | C3F ] Copyright (c) 1999 by HC
[CTRL] Rebecca Sunnybrook [tripping?]
-Caveat Lector- Neo-satire?? Enjoy, Bard http://www.c3f.com/ntytoday.html Monday, Sept 20, 1999 WASHINGTON PISSED ARCHIVES Miss Communications Crowned Miss America 2000 ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (Sept 20) - A 24-year-old Xtreme freight-train racer and student at Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame University became the first actual woman to be crowned Miss America, Saturday, vowing to spend her year-long reign helping people who don't know that life is just the placebo effect writ large and in reverse. Miss Communications, Rebecca Sunnybrook, the daughter of the inventor of plowing through a bridge abutment doin' 90, exuded a set of complex and difficult-to-characterize emotions, as late 20th-century capitalism showered her with its most profound rewards: flashing lights, confetti, and 24-karat golden logies hocked from the catwalk by the inventors of antenna balls, swizzle sticks, and the popular "high school hairpiece." Although she was obviously "tripping" on the powerful hallucinogenic drug, LSD-25, at the time, Sunnybrook was all totally down with the real world an' all as she said all she wants to do is inform people, before it's too late, that life is just the placebo effect writ large and in reverse. "It is getting late," she told host Bert Parks or Whoopi Goldberg or whoever, "and if people don't start to learn now that life is just the placebo effect writ large and in reverse, then, one day soon, someone's gonna come along and say 'HEY!!! LIFE IS JUST THE PLACEBO EFFECT WRIT LARGE, AND IN REVERSE!!! YUH BUNCHA DUMBASSES!!' And then where will civilization be?" A spokesman for CNN, on assignment in the audience at the time, was rumored to have muttered, "Indeed!" Though, at press time, these rumors could not be confirmed. Footnote: for those of you interested in further discussion of the concept of the placebo effect writ large and in reverse, see the out-of-print, unavailable 1928 monograph by Werner Heisenberg, "The Placebo Effect Writ Large and In Reverse" or the 1998 "novel" by HC, "MFU." Miss Communications, Rebecca Sunnybrook, was obviously "tripping" on the powerful hallucinogenic drug LSD-25, as she was crowned Miss Stoned Out America 2000, or "Miss American 2000," for short. http://www.c3f.com/ntytoday.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: New Thinking: Be A Heretic!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Gerry McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 5:37 AM Subject: New Thinking: Be A Heretic! NEW THINKING NEW THINKING NEW THINKING NEW THINKING NEW THINKING Free weekly email contributing to a philosophy for The Digital Age By Gerry McGovern Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.nua.ie September 20th 1999 Published By: Nua Limited Volume 4 Number 38 HONG KONG TV PROGRAMME WILL FEATURE NUA RTHK, one of Hong Kong's largest radio and TV stations, filmed in Nua's Dublin office on Wednesday, September 15th, interviewing Nua's CEO, Gerry McGovern. The current boom in the Irish economy, particularly in the technical and Internet industries, is exciting a great deal of interest in Hong Kong. Like Ireland, Hong Kong is a small island with a technically educated population. RTHK's programme will explore what's driving the Irish boom, and hopes to identify some lessons that might be learned by Hong Kong businesses. The programme, which will feature several leading Irish companies, will be aired on October 11th. RTHK Homepage http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/index.htm THE CARING ECONOMY The Caring Economy, by Gerry McGovern, is published by Blackhall Publishing of 26 Eustace Street, Dublin 2, Ireland. ISBN 1-901657-61-2 Price £27.50 or US$35.95 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It is also available in the United States from Irish Books Media, 1433 East Franklin Avenue, Minneapolis MN 55404-2135. Call toll-free (800) 229-3505 BUY THE BOOK FROM THE CARING ECONOMY WEBSITE http://www.thecaringeconomy.com/buy For further information please contact Mary Gorman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BE A HERETIC! The more I think about it the more I am certain that we all need a new way of thinking. Even though the Internet economy began six years ago, it often feels that it hasn't really even begun. And it's not that everything will fundamentally change, but rather that everything we know is either undergoing or about to undergo a period of revolutionary change. Someday, things will settle again and when they do the landscape will be surprisingly similar to what we had before the revolution. Business will be business and customers will buy from producers and producers will sell to customers. Value will be value and quality will be quality. For now, though, we have this war of change, where we are all being shunted and pushed about. We look at it all and can be forgiven for believing that the world is about to shift off its axis. Oh, the world will still go around no matter what the next Internet IPO fetches. But having said that, we need to embrace the heretic and shift off our axis, if only momentarily, so that we can see the world without glasses clouded with old certainties. Civilisation strives towards order. Most of society thrives on order. But all societies and economies need to regenerate themselves. Otherwise, they become staid, non-creative and non-competitive. Regeneration is never easy. It can require a major jolt. It is heretics who often give that jolt by preaching their crazy notions, by laughing at what everyone else honours and obeys. It's the heretic who can offer that transforming hand, and in so doing they become the unsung champion and hero. The heretic is so often hated by those who cling to the old order. They have come to see themselves and the old order as one entity. They cannot imagine another way. Too many people in positions of power are clinging tenaciously to the old order today. At best, they think that the world has gone crazy and that no sane and truly powerful person would listen to the heretic and their views. I heard Andy Grove, chairman of Intel, talk like a heretic today. He told us that Intel cannot secure its future anymore by being simply a product company. That it must embrace service and that it has an awful lot to learn before it becomes an efficient product and service company. Over the weekend, I read about Jack Welsh, head of General Electric, who has got Internet. The word is that Welsh is telling GE in no uncertain terms to embrace the Internet or else it has no future. All over the world the heretics are out and about, questioning, questioning, questioning. Nothing is safe from their probing and nothing should be safe. We all need to become the heretic. If only for one day a month, we need to absolutely believe that everything we so believe to be true is wrong, and that everything we so believe to be wrong is true. We may end up believing the very same things, but without the ability to think the unthinkable, the unthinkable just might
[CTRL] Excusa -excerpts
-Caveat Lector- Howdy, I have been busy , work and other things. One being an article on Skull Bones for High Times Magazine. This should be January 2000 issue out in December. The story is bigeer than one issue and I am hoping it will be carried. We shall see. Shall continue the excerpts. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [5] The Great Heroin Coup
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Great Heroin Coup - Drugs, Intelligence, International Fascism Henrik Kruger Jerry Meldon, Translator South End Press©1980 Box 68 Astor Station Boston, MA 02123 ISBN 0-89608-0319-5 240pps - one edition - out-of-print Orginally published in Danish Smukke Serge og Heroien Bogan 1976 --[5]-- FIVE ASSASSIN IN ALGIERS Christian David was born in 1929 in the city of Bordeaux in the south of France. Like most youths destined to underworld stardom, he was wild and incorrigible, picked up for pickpocketing on more than one occasion. His Bordeaux chums recall him as ostentatious and hot-headed. By age twenty-one he had parlayed good looks and charm into a budding career as a pimp. Not long thereafter he purchased the Whiskey A Go-Go nightclub.[1] But the proceeds from the whores and the club were not enough. Greed was another of his traits. He had tasted the life of a playboy and his need for excitement bordered on the pathological. Beau Serge began to mastermind bank heists. At age twenty-six he was arrested and sentenced to a stay at Besancon prison on a score of counts ranging from procuring to armed assault.[2] One year later he escaped and was on the loose for several months. When recaptured he was jailed on Ile de Re outside the city of La Rochelle.[3] He escaped once more in the fall of 1960. This time he remained longer in hiding with the help of his friends in the underworld. It was probably then that he impressed the gangster kingpin Jo Attia, who would greatly influence Beau Serge's career. In February 1961 David was again taken prisoner and returned to Ile de Re, where he was placed under close guard. Escape number three would demand all his cunning and a dash of theatrics. His behavior slowly altered. He uttered strange things, trembled uncontrollably, communicated with no one, and smashed his cell in fits of hysteria. The doctor became convinced of his derangement. In the summer of 1961 he was moved to the Cadillac mental hospital. Within months a nurse became his accomplice in escape. But all was in vain. A chase through the woods and Beau Serge was soon back in his cage on Ile de Re. All the while, however, and unknown to him, plans for David's future were being made just outside prison walls. Serious men were gathered in a house on Ile de Re to discuss a list of names. The house belonged to France's ambassador to the Central African Republic, Colonel Roger Barberot, a hero of World War II and Indochina, and chief of the Black Commandos in Algeria.[4] Most of the men were members of the inner circle of the ruling Gaullist party. Others were princes of the underworld. One of the latter was Jo Attia. And one of the names on the list was Christian David's. One day in October 1961 David was taken from his cell to government offices in La Rochelle, and seated in a comfortable chair opposite a man of influence and power. The man was Pierre Lemarchand, a high-ranking Gaullist betrothed to de Gaulle's adopted daughter.[5] When presented with Lemarchand's proposal, Christian David was dumbfounded. Freedom would be his if he agreed to join a terror corps assembled to put an end to the Algerian operations of the ultranationalist, anti-de Gaulle Secret Army Organization (OAS). The corps was a division of SAC, the semiofficial security and intelligence unit of the Gaullist party. Beau Serge joined SAC at once. Though admission normally required two sponsors, the rules were waived in times of crisis. During the May 1968 student insurrection one merely had to declare oneself anti-Communist and look like a bruiser. In the de Gaulle era an almost religious aura surrounded SAC just as it did the towering president himself. The new recruit, David, was placed on a red carpet in the middle of a room with drawn, thick curtains. Two or three SAC leaders, facing a wall, listened to the enlistee as he swore allegiance with his hand upon a Cross of Lorraine and dagger. A leader would then declare: "You are now our follower in life and death."[6] Christian David, and hundreds of others plucked from prison for an Algerian rendezvous, were sent to a camp in Satory. There they were run through a crash training course in weaponry, sabotage, and hand-to-hand combat. It left little doubt that their metiers would be murder and torture. On December 1 the "barbouzes" landed in Algiers. Headquarters were set up in Villa A-for Andrea-at 8 Rue Fabre in the El Biar district, and Villa B on the corner of Chemin Reynaud and Rue Faidherbe.[7] David was installed at Andrea; its real name, Dar Es Saada, means the house of bliss. The name fit. A pretty lane led to its main entrance and to a large garden stocked with orange trees. But the interior of this house of bliss would soon resound with the screams of those tortured in its cellar. OAS terrorist activities, led by Jean-Jacques Susini and Roger Degueldre, were at their peak. Bombs hurled at Algerian restaurants, buses, and public
[CTRL] [2] The Arizona Project
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Arizona Project Michael Wendland©1977 ISBN 0-8362-0728-9 Sheed Andrews and McMeel, Inc. 6700 Squibb Rd. Misson Kansas 66202 276 pps. - first edition - out-of-print New revised edition - available amazon.com Paperback, 304pp. ISBN: 0945165021 Blue Sky Press, Incorporated June 1988 -2- The State of Arizona Arizona is a pristinely beautiful and sparsely settled state of just 2.3 million. Outside of metropolitan Phoenix (pop. 975,000) and Tucson (pop. 360,000) there are no other large cities in the state. The rest of Arizona is mostly uninhabited, consisting of desert and mountains. About a quarter of the acreage is taken up by nineteen different Indian reservations. Some eighteen percent of the state's total land is privately owned. The remainder belongs to the federal or state government. Thus even in the last half of the 1970s, most of the state was as it had always been-open and wild. Phoenix was a small, sleepy cowboy town until the post-World War II years brought the cost of air conditioning within the reach of the average person. In 1940, fewer than 65,000 persons lived there. From 1950 to 1960, the population increased threefold, to just over 400,000. By 1970, it was nearing 600,000 and was the fastest growing city in the 48 contiguous states. By 1980, Phoenix is expected to surpass 800,000 city residents. Tucson, though half the size of Phoenix, has experienced similarly dramatic growth. But the shimmering glass skyscrapers and creeping pollution just beginning to settle in the mountain valleys of the state's two metropolises in 1976 belied their true roots. While the cities looked modern and grown-up, the old-west lifestyles and attitudes were still present. It was not unusual for a well-to-do Phoenician to take his wife out for an evening on the town, dressed in an expertly tailored four- hundred-dollar Western suit and wearing an old-fashioned sixgun on a carved leather belt, the holster tied gunfighter-fashion to his leg. In the daytime, in the heart of the city's financial district near the impressive Rosenzweig Center, shiny Mark IV's and silver Mercedes bear anti-gun control bumper-stickers attesting to the fact that "No One Ever Raped a .38." In a downtown gun store the special of the week is advertised supermarket- style in boldy painted strips of window paper. One of the more favored sale items is the snub-nosed .22, a gun totally useless to sportsmen or target shooters. Of the continental states, Arizona was the last to be admitted to the Union. Thus, "old family," an Arizona term of high respect, applies to those who were there before 1912, when it was known as the Arizona Territory. Like Texans, Arizonans like superlatives. It is a state that boasts "the world's tallest fountain" in one desert land development and "the Original London Bridge" in another. And on the edge of Phoenix, in the middle of what was recently just desert, Phoenicians have built "Big Surf," a giant swimming pool equipped with mammoth fans capable of making ten-foot waves suitable for surfboarding. There is Tombstone, Arizona, "the town too tough to die," and Del Webb's Sun City, "the world's largest retirement village." Arizonans don't like boat-rockers. In 1976, when a couple of young families with children moved into the over-fifty community of-believe it or not-Youngstown, they were literally run out of town by elderly citizens who threatened to put rattlesnakes in the children's rooms and burn their houses down. Even the young people of Arizona seem of a different age. At night, particularly on a weekend, North Central Avenue in Phoenix is used for drag-racing by the city's teenagers, who congregate on street comers in American Graffiti scenes reminiscent of the 1950s in other American cities. Phoenix began in the early 1860s as a small settlement along the banks of the Salt River, a rough and tumble town of drifters, miners, and cowboys. Back then, the river flowed full in the winter and spring, and its lush green banks were like a vertical oasis slashing through the broad desert valley that gave birth to the town. A few decades later, the river was diverted thirty miles to the northeast and a series of canals, originally etched out of the sand by the Indians hundreds of years before, were widened and expanded, thereby bringing water across the valley. Those same canals are in use today and the river, one of Arizona's most reliable, still provides the bulk of Phoenix's water supply, filling swimming pools, greening golf courses, and irrigating the desert. Perhaps the state's most colorful character of the early yearsbesides the famous Indians, Geronimo and Cochise, and the gunfighters, Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday-was a reclusive miner by the name of Jacob Walz, "The Dutchman." It was Walz who allegedly discovered, in the Superstition Mountains some fifteen miles due east of Phoenix, a gold mine so fabulously rich that it is still the object of expeditions. Walz
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #5
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990920e - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No demented UFOlogists were heeded during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # BLAME IT ON HACKERS. While computer criminals do pose a threat and viruses are real, recent studies show that most instances of data loss resulted not from virus infections or vandal attacks, but from good old user error. http://game.internetwire.com/technews/tn/tn981250.htx http://www.chicago.tribune.com/tech/specialreport/article/0,266 # CRACKING GROUP STRIKES AGAIN. United Loan Gunmen add the NAACP's site to their long list of recent hits. To avoid being next, stay insignificant. http://www.wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/business/story/21838.html : Are your computer problems your own damn fault, or can you justifiably lay blame on hackers, crackers, spies, aliens, robots, me, y'r dog, anyone else? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # PARANORML NEWs NETWORK (P3N) - The ORBIT report. 1) INCOMING, GOES-8 sats; 2) RADAR RING THEORY: MESO-SONIC MOTION THROUGH THE MAGNETOPLASMA (IPELS); 3) CHINA LAKE WEAPONS DIGEST; 4) MAXWELL'S SILVER HAMMER; 5) THE TESLA SHIELD; 6) HERCOLOBUS - http://caus.org/pn092099.htm : What's y'r favorite paranormal news? If you don't like the paranormal news you hear, do you do out and make some of your own? Are you very creative?? # Brass gears give way to silicon chips. As the computer has swept the world, it's taken the place of clockwork in myth and metaphor: http://www.sigmaxi.org/amsci/issues/Comsci99/compsci1999-09.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # BIG BROTHER IS YOUR FRIEND. SciFi'er David Brin looks forward to the day when surveillance cameras will be ubiquitous. All in the name of freedom. http://www.wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/politics/story/21840.html # NO SHORTAGE OF LIGHT BULBS HERE. Pundits gather at the Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose to celebrate how technology improves life. http://www.wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/culture/story/21818.html : Has technology improved your life? Has your life improved technology? Do you like being watched? Do you like to swatch? Do you eagerly await the day when we're all watched over by machines of loving grace? Are you nervous?? # How cute! Adventures in Marxism comes with canary yellow covers, Toys 'R' Us lettering, and an adorable cartoon of Karl himself leaping with glee: http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/08/30/marx/print.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Hawkings admits he made it all up. World famous "cosmologist" Stephen Hawkings, admitted today that, like, all that stuff about the universe and black holes and collapsing stars an' stuff, was just a load of bullshit he made up, one day, to save his own collapsing career. "Just pulled it all out of my ass," said Hawkings' voice synthesizer, which he also admitted was a load of crap cause he can actually talk -- but, this way, he has a layer of software and hardware to blame when somebody politely accuses him of having just pulled it all out of his ass. http://c3f.com/nty0526.html : Have you devised any grand theories lately? Have they helped your career? Are you reputed to be a brilliant theorist? Does anyone really know you?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Hypnosis Alien Abductions. Alien abduction is the nonconsensual removal of individual(s) without their consent from one physical location to ano- ther. During this procedure, individuals may feel helpless, paralyzed and unable to control their wishes. The purpose of abduction is reported to be part of a physical or psychological experiment performed by non-humans. At the conclusion of the procedure, the individuals are returned to their original location; they may or may not remember their experiences. http://www.brooksidecenter.com/hypnosis_and_alien_abductions.htm @ Abduction experiences: http://members.aol.com/nymush/article.txt : Have you ever abducted any individual(s)? Were/was the individual(s) human or alien or robotic or virtual? What do you usually do with individual(s)?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Mars weather satellite nears orbit - spacecraft is also a communications relay. (BBC) The first interplanetary weather satellite is due to begin circling Mars on Thursday when Nasa's Mars Climate Orbiter (MCO) will slip into orbit around the red planet, ready to observe the ebb and flow of carbon dioxide frosts and giant dust storms over a whole Martian year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_452000/452579.stm : Should Martian weathermen dress strangely talk funny like US network TV meteorologists? Will you recognize them if they don't? Do you eagerly await the Mars Weather Channel http://www.themarsweatherchannel.com ?? Why?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ PARANOIA: The Conspiracy
[CTRL] [9] BETRAYAL
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: BETRAYAL - Our Occupation of Germany Arthur D. Rahn Former Chief Editor of Intelligence Office of the Director of Information Control Office of Military Government, Germany Book Knowledge Warsaw, Poland pps. 237 (no date) out-of-print - --When my friend Sam returned to visit the town where he had previously been stationed, he asked a woman he had known how she had voted in the recent elections. She burst into tears. She would have liked to vote for the Social Democrats and Communist candidates whom she considered good and capable men, but the priest had warned the parish that that would be a mortal sin. In May, the Neue Zeitung, the MG-published newspaper, reported that a Bavarian priest urged his congregation to vote for the CSU candidates, calling them "candidates of God" and the Socialist candidates "candidates of the devil."-- ---" NOT until I sat down to write this book and reflected on my experience and organized my notes did I realize that what had seemed to me and my friends in Germany to be a chaos of corruption and incompetence had actually been a planned development following a very definite pattern. In fact, it has become increasingly clear that the pattern of events in Germany from 1944 to mid-1947 mirrored in sharp perspective what was happening at home in America. Developments in Germany, too, have paralleled our actions in the United Nations and our relations with the Soviet Union, Greece, Spain, China, Britain, Israel with the entire world."--- Om k --[9]-- CHAPTER NINE The Opposition To The Opposition The Common People "Democracy can thrive only when it enlists the devotion of those whom Lincoln called the common people." --From a[d]dress to Democratic National Convention, July 19, 1940. "The new trade union movement is based on real democracy, tolerance and humanity. lt evidences this new spirit in its respect for the ideological and political convictions of its members, in its eradication of Nazi and militarist philosophy and its constant effort for the reconciliation of all peoples and for world peace." WHEN I read this statement issued by the Free German Trade Unions of Frankfurt on December 14, 1946, I was struck by how well it expressed the sentiments and attitudes of the many individual German trade unionists with whom I had spoken. The German workers, I had found, had an openness and frankness and a healthy outlook that was often lacking in many of their countrymen. I suddenly realized this characteristic of these people one afternoon in July, 1945. After a full day of interrogating workers, I stood at the gate of the large Henschel Locomotive Works in the city of Kassel waiting for a jeep to pick me up and watched the workers pouring out of factory buildings. It was after five o'clock and they were on their way home. They looked very much like American workers, though somewhat shabbier. None of them owned an automobile and only a few had bicycles. They shouted greetings to workers they hadn't seen during the day, slapped each other on the back when they said goodbye, called after friends about children and wives. There was good humor. It was good to go home. These seemed to be good, simple people. On talking with some of them during the day, I'd found them cooperative and sympathetic and likable (and I still had a strong aversion to Germans, for it was only two months after VE day). As I watched them separating at the gate and going off in different directions, I thought to myself: "We could probably accomplish something in Germany with these people on our side if they stick together and we give them plenty of support." There was every reason for them to stick together. The forty or so with whom I had spoken in Kassel and the many others I had met in other cities Socialists, Communists, Catholics were in complete agreement on practically every basic issue. Unlike many of the intellectuals and middleclass Germans, -none of them intellectualized about Hitler, the "oppression' Of Versailles, the "bolshevik menace" or about the "disgrace" of the occupation. "We will never be able to repay for what we have done in other countries in Europe, never," one worker in Kassel told me, covering his face with his hands and shaking his head in shame. Workers like him had directly experienced the barbarism and oppression of Nazism. A middleaged mechanic explained: "I lost my house, my wife, my two sons and now I'm all alone. That's what I got from Hitler. Another. a streetcar conductor, smiled at my naivete when I asked what good Hitler had accomplished for German labor. "Some men," he said "were glad to get jobs back in 1934 and 1935, but only the Nazis enjoyed the Kraft durch Freude (Strength through Joy) excursions and vacations. Otherwise we worked longer hours, ate less and couldn't speak up to protect our rights. We were tied to our jobs. They fired us arbitrarily, spied on us and mobilized us in our free time into the Volkssturm
Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr. and the 13TH LINE
-Caveat Lector- --- Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JFK, Jr., and his public wife, Carolyn Bessette PUBLIC?? Is someone implying that JFK Jr. had another wife unknown to those outside CLuM circles? Does this tie into those homosexual posts from a couple of weeks ago? Or is this something that someone who joined the list before me (late June) already knows? Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: electronic ankle bracelets, anyone?
Electronic Ankle Bracelets, Anyone? By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman Can it be any more clear that the national response to the corporate crime wave sweeping the country has been an utter and abysmal failure? This is to take nothing away from the hard-working prosecutors who bust their chops working day in and day out, with minimal resources, dodging political attacks from the corporate lobbyists whose primary job it is to keep the cops on their heels and off their case. For example, lack of enforcement of federal worker safety laws by Clinton administration has resulted in fewer inspections and fewer violations cited compared to prior administrations. Whose fault is that? Not the head of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, who claims in his defense that for him to do an adequate job, his meager $350 million budget, which is constantly under attack by the corporate crime lobby, would have to be bumped up to at least $7 billion. Same with antitrust enforcement. Between 1977 and 1997, the total budgets of the two primary antitrust enforcement agencies -- the Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department's Antitrust Division decreased by 7 percent in constant dollars while the GNP grew by 112 percent. Mergers have increased by 550 percent since 1992. According to Albert Foer, director of the American Antitrust Institute, the failure of antitrust enforcement has resulted in airlines that monopolize hub terminals, international cartels that cost consumers dearly, price fixing and bid rigging that are a continual abuse of the system, monopolies that can control the global flow of information, and agricultural, meatpacking and food retailing industries that are unduly concentrated. Even when the system works, and the prosecutors nail the criminals to the wall, what good does it do? The recent criminal convictions of major corporations for fixing the prices of vitamins in the United States resulted in two of the biggest criminal fines in the history of corporate crime. Earlier this year, Hoffman LaRoche pled guilty and was fined $500 million and BASF pled guilty and was fined $225 million for leading a worldwide conspiracy to raise and fix prices and allocate market shares for certain vitamins sold in the United States and elsewhere. Hoffman LaRoche and BASF alone control 80 percent of the vitamin market worldwide. What impact did the fines have on the behavior of these two criminals? It made them more aggressive in their desire to control the remaining 20 percent of the market. That's according to Eugene Reed, the Arkansas broker who first blew the whistle on the price fixing conspiracy. "They have become super aggressive and more committed (since their convictions)," Reed told us earlier this month. "They are already at the foot of the bridge. They sent signals into the marketplace. They want to drive all other vitamin suppliers out of the world market and control it themselves." The lesson: even the largest criminal fines ever levied in the United States were too small to affect giant multinational corporations. When individuals commit street crimes, on the other hand, they pay the price with a loss of freedom. That's why by next year, there will be two million inmates in U.S. prisons and jails and the United States will overtake Russia as the world leader in the rate of incarceration -- a rate six to ten times the rate of other industrialized countries. This rate of incarceration costs the nation about $40 billion a year. And it disproportionately affects poor and minority populations. One in three young African American men is now under supervision of the criminal justice system -- in prison or jail, or on probation or parole. A black male born today has a 29 percent chance of spending time in prison in his lifetime. (For more on how the United States deals with street criminals, check out the recently released Race to Incarcerate by Mark Mauer and The Sentencing Project (The New Press, 1999)). When we released the Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the 1990s, we received a message from Robert Waldrop, the director of the Archbishop Oscar Romero Catholic Worker House in Oklahoma City. Waldrop's Catholic Worker House feeds the poor, takes in people who are being evicted and generally helps those in need. Having worked with the poor, Waldrop has come to the conclusion that in this country "you get all of the justice that you can afford to pay for." That's why the prisons aren't overrun with the executives and shareholders of our major corporate felons. Waldrop has concluded that we should begin treating corporate criminals the way we treat street criminals. So, he drew up a list of "Necessary Measures for Curbing the Corporate Crime Wave." Waldrop wrote the list "tongue in cheek," but he has gotten such a rave response to it that he believes that it might be the basis for a political movement to curb corporate crime. After all, why should a corporate felon, its
[CTRL] FW: Crying in the Kitchen with Jane -Reply
-Caveat Lector- At the risk of being "off-topic" (again..) When we use that same kind of "big picture" viewpoint that is required to understand the big picture drug smuggling/money laundering, SL scams, etc... with which we are somewhat familiar- AND apply this kind of vision to the corporate media's sponsoring of a monetary "bottom line" profit evaluation as the "definitive valuation" of practically everything in "mainstream society" and see that this is co-creational of/with corporate ownership of the marketplace and means of production/distribution- we should see that big business begets bigger business, while ruining smaller businesses and communities- and common DECENCY. The ONLY solution is to stop eating wheaties. Most of the corporate crap products that are foisted on the public by the corporate crap media are too expensive, and in some way or other BAD for people (DE-valued: chemical additives, preservatives, stripped of nutrients, etc...) not to mention the fact that all of the MONETARY valuation for these most products has been appropriated by the big businesses- chain stores, processors, factories, sweatshops, etc- while the LABOR of women men, and the fruits of the earth are DEVALUED by this marketplace "economy." Cocaine is a big problem, and contributes to bigger problems in many ways- but it is SYMPTOMATIC of the deeper problem, imho. I think we need to hold this in mind, as we consider how to combat this problem. If we lived in happy, productive, tightly-knit social structures- there'd BE no major drug problem. It is the alienation and fragmentation of society -which is the fruit of the fractional reserve banking system and of the ever-larger agglomerations of wealth under practically invulnerable and immortal corporations who have become gangster owner-operators of the tools of government- which is the moldy soil where the rotten spores of drug smuggling mushroom in the dark. The solution is community based. Communities will need to retake their economic base. A community that grows and harvests wheat needs some millers and bakers, not "wheaties" and General Mills ! Somehow somehow, people must turn their backs on the hatred and violence and indifference to suffering that the corporate media thrusts upon them- must reintegrate themselves as functional members of a whole and healthy society- and disengage themselves from the role of "consumer" of corporate mind/body/social --- poisoning. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Catherine Austin Fitts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:55 AM Subject:FW: Crying in the Kitchen with Jane -Reply From: "Catherine Austin Fitts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow up to Heritage Post. "catherine Fitts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/30/99 07:00pm R I went out to Hickory Valley today to show Jane how to get on the internet and how we could use it to figure out how to finance the small farmers and to figure out what is going on and reengineer their farming business so that there might be more profit and less risk. We caught up on family. Stella feels blue. Jane's mother is dying it looks like. Willa Louise is real upset about it. Her cousin died last week. Lots of folk are sick. The draught and the market have folks worried. We went to Amazon and e-bay and I talked about the spread between Wheat and Wheaties and how we could use networks and optimization technology and things like this to vertically integrate and produce a better product at a more competitive price on a sustainable basis. We went to Thomas and looked at upcoming legislation and hearings. Then we went to the websites for the Congressman and Senators who represent Hardeman County. They all listed their important issues and legislation on their pages. Nothing on agriculture. Nothing. Meantime the drought is putting people out of business. Some people have no way to meet their every day expenses. The congressional representatives have been telling folks how much they care. Jane found out the meeting that they had was invitation only. Turns out it looks like it was only major donors. Jane asked me what was going on. I tried to tell her. I told her the story of how the black ministers came to HUD and after Kemp promised them a bunch of things, they left and Scott Reed said to the group, "Can you believe those guys really believe that we are going to do that stuff.". Jane burst into tears. Then I burst into tears. So we sat in the kitchen crying because it hurt so much. Jane said to me "I know that nothing that is not decent can last." She is right. It is why I will invest in her and Billy on spec and not on the corporate system...even for money. For all the times I tried to get people in Washington to understand that every dime was real, and that decent men and women like Billy and Jane Powell can not carry this kind of overhead for decades straight, I felt the full pain of
[CTRL] Bob Smith
Open the Attachment. Bard Alex Jones Presents.. INFOWARS http://www.infowars.com/ If "pro" is the opposite of "con," what's the opposite of "progress"? "If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." Samuel Adams (1780) "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him. "Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit" (Proverbs 26;4-5). September 20, 1999 Independent Conservative Bob Smith Runs Uphill Race on 'Principle' By CAREY GOLDBERG BOSTON -- Of all the current presidential candidates, Bob Smith might be said to stand out as the one hewing the hardest road for himself to the White House. Smith, the homespun, thickly combed-over, ultra-conservative senior senator from New Hampshire, is running from a state with less than half a percent of the country's population; in July, he quit the Republican Party, depriving himself of its ready-made structure and primary-season publicity; and earlier this month, he declined even the modest support he would have gained as the candidate of the U.S. Taxpayers Party, a conservative party founded in 1992. So now, as other candidates mount primary campaigns-as-usual, the independent Smith must concentrate tremendous efforts on gathering the tens of thousands of signatures he needs to get on state ballots. His goal is all 50. In a campaign season well stocked with determined conservatives like Gary Bauer and Patrick Buchanan, all this makes a double puzzle of Smith, who shares most of their positions, calls them friends and says he stands out mainly by his superior experience in elective office. Any of the low-polling conservatives in the well-populated right field can be asked -- and often are -- why they continue to run despite their discouraging numbers. The question for Smith is also this: Why does he makes it so hard on himself? His answer, confirmed by friends and critics alike, is not for political cynics. He acts on principle. Smith on why he left the Republican Party: "It was a decision made entirely on conscience. I believe the pollsters and consultants basically run the Republican Party, telling us how to think and even how to use certain words." Smith, in contrast, likes to say right out loud what he believes, telling voters that he is "pro-life" and "pro-gun" and "pro-strong military," that he wants to do away with the federal income tax, that the United States should stay out of places like Kosovo and that taxpayer money should not go to organizations like the International Monetary Fund or the National Endowment for the Arts. Asked what he would do as president, he enthusiastically set forth a list that began: make sure judges were "pro-life" and appoint a Supreme Court that would outlaw abortion; have an administration of "absolute character and integrity"; slash foreign aid; "take every veteran in America off the grates"; build a national missile defense system; veto money for the federal departments of Energy, Education and Housing; and "that's for starters," he said. As for his slim chances, Smith said he disdained polls, which have shown him barely jiggling the dial even in New Hampshire, and is counting on Americans to do the same. "If people who feel strongly about conservative issues voted for me, I could win," he said. When during a recent visit to a Boston police station, a skeptical officer challenged him about whether his campaign might not help fragment the conservative vote and help the Democrats, he replied: "That's fair and I think you can make that point. But I think you should vote for who you believe in, and let the chips fall where they may." The trouble is, people with conservative beliefs have such a panoply of choices this campaign season that it becomes all the harder for a less-than-household-name senator, especially when his themes and positions largely coincide with high-visibility ideologues like Bauer and Buchanan. Dean Spiliotes, a government professor at Dartmouth College, said Smith "believes there needs to be a coherent and unified conservative voice, and he has a very particular vision of what that should look like." "The problem," Spiliotes said, "is that there are some people who share that vision, and that's leading to a very crowded right field, when most of the action is in the middle" of the political spectrum. Smith contends that what distinguishes him from his conservative rivals is his extensive experience in public office: He served three terms as a congressman and is halfway through his second term in the Senate. While his rivals mainly talk about conservative issues, he said, he can point to actual deeds, like his sponsorship of the bill banning the procedure that opponents call partial-birth abortion. He may be a long-serving lawmaker, but Smith emphasizes
[CTRL] WACO poll
-Caveat Lector- Daily Poll Who's to blame for the 1993 Waco tragedy? The ATF The FBI David Koresh Janet Reno The White House http://www.about.com/ Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Randy Weaver's wife's killer at Waco scene[CATO]
-Caveat Lector- Cato Daily Dispatch September 15, 1999 by Peter J.M. Orvetti, Manager of Editorial Services http://www.cato.org/ http://www.cato.org/dispatch/09-15-99d.html Sharp Condemnation On Waco Poison Proposals? Charging Up Electricity Deregulation Is The KLA Here To Stay? Sharp Condemnation On Waco An FBI sharpshooter who killed the wife of white separatist Randy Weaver during a 1992 siege in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, was at the scene of the assault on the Branch Davidian religious homestead near Waco, Texas, in 1993, the Washington Times reported Tuesday. The Texas Rangers issued a report Monday indicating that a house occupied by federal agents at the time contained a dozen spent rifle cartridges of the type favored by sharpshooters. The Rangers' report questioned federal agents' insistence that they fired no shots. In an account the FBI has since said was wrong, a FBI agent initially reported hearing shots fired from that house on the siege's final day. Meanwhile, Fox News reports that the congressional probe into Waco is focusing on suspicions that federal law enforcement officials trumped up drug manufacturing charges against the group. A House Committee on Government Reform official told Fox News that the military determined that the drug charges were "bogus," and that investigators are now trying to determine why the Army nevertheless became involved in the Waco siege and assault, and to what extent soldiers participated. "The question is: Why were the military folks - who were pretty strident against having any involvement - overruled? And who overruled them?" This afternoon, September 15, the Cato Institute will host a film screening of Waco: The Rules of Engagement http://www.cato.org/events/990915waco.html . The film screening begins at 2:00 p.m. at the Cato Institute in Washington. After the film, at 4:30, Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), Branch Davidian survivor David Thibodeau, who penned A Place Called Waco, and Cato associate policy analyst David Kopel, co-author of No More Wacos, will address the latest findings. The film was nominated last year for an Academy Award and offers a complete picture of the events surrounding Waco. It shows how the ATF and the FBI misled the public and America's political leaders in order to inflict deadly force on a group whose apocalyptic religious beliefs made its members easy targets. Is The KLA Here To Stay? The commander of the Kosovo Liberation Army says that NATO has an obligation to give the KLA a major role in the Yugoslav province. Gen. Agim Ceku says that NATO could not have achieved victory in the Kosovo conflict without the assistance of the KLA. The KLA is supposed to disarm and disband by next Sunday, September 19, but Ceku wants the organization to live on as a civilian organization with governmental powers. NATO said last week that a Kosovo Corps made up of former KLA soldiers may operate after the deadline, but Russia has expressed opposition to any plan that falls short of complete disarmament and disbanding. Gary Dempsey took a look at Kosovo now, and the ascendancy of the KLA, in "Theater of the Absurd in Kosovo" http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-21-99.html , an August commentary. "NATO and the Clinton administration are willing to go to absurd lengths to deny that the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) is taking over Kosovo and laying the foundation for a Greater Albania," Dempsey wrote. "When the KLA missed NATO's deadline for turning in its heavy weapons, for instance, NATO's top man in Kosovo, Gen. Michael Jackson, insisted that the KLA was not defying NATO. Rather, he claimed the guerrillas were so diligently accounting for all their weapons that they were being delayed. 'I do not regard this as non-compliance,' said Jackson, 'but rather as an indication of the seriousness with which [the KLA]... is taking this important issue.' As of yet, the KLA hasn't turned in all its heavy weapons, and on the day NATO's deadline expired, German soldiers stumbled upon a secret cache of 10 tons of ammunition--probably a mere fraction of what the KLA has hidden away. Even more alarming, the KLA has taken sweeping political control of Kosovo, establishing a network of self-appointed ministries and local councils, seizing businesses and apartments, and collecting taxes and customs payments "While paying lip-service to peace and harmony in front of the international press corps and Western diplomats, Hashim 'Snake' Thaci, the KLA's self-declared prime minister of Kosovo, has scoffed, 'There might be some people who are armed who aren't under KLA control... but there might be some people in KFOR [NATO's Kosovo Force] who aren't under General Jackson's control.' Nonsense. NATO troops are not disobeying Jackson's orders, let alone killing civilians, burning down houses, and looting stores. The United Nations says it is now moving into Kosovo to help deal with the ethnic violence, and the UN's chief administrator, Bernard Kouchner, says he wants to pull the
[CTRL] When the chickens fly home to roost [Scary stuff]
-Caveat Lector- Published in Washington, D.C. 5am -- September 17, 1999 www.washtimes.com When the chickens fly home to roost Let's see who we can blame now. Bill Clinton, who cut short his trip to New Zealand only to be cheated out of an opportunity to be photographed feeling somebody's pain in the wake of Hurricane Floyd, imagines he can exploit the tragedy in Fort Worth to bullyrag Congress into enacting more useless gun laws. "Yet again, we have seen a sanctuary violated by gun violence, taking children brimming with faith and promise and hope before their time." Naturally this underscores a need to enact more feel-good laws. Ron Fornier of the Associated Press wants to blame George W. Bush: "The shooting posed a potential political problem for the two-term governor who signed a 1995 law allowing Texans to carry concealed weapons with a permit," he writes, quoting only himself. "Democrats have questioned his commitment to federal and state efforts to require background checks at gun shows . . . Yet he didn't budge from his belief that new anti-gun laws are not the answer." The Fort Worth gunman did not, in fact, have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, making the concealed-weapon law irrelevant. But when we're in the hysterical mode hysteria is all that counts. George W., on the other hand, gets it. "There seems to be a wave of evil passing through America now and we as a society can pass laws and hold people accountable for the decisions they make, but our hopes and prayers have got to be that there is more love in society. This man obviously was acting as a result of evil in his heart. I don't know of a law -- a governmental law -- that will put love in people's hearts. It's hard to explain how hatred lurks in somebody's heart to the point where he walks into a church where children and adults were seeking God's guidance and shoots them." What's obvious, to anyone who isn't sound asleep, is that the secular assault on religious faith, the partisan campaign to demonize evangelical Christians, the relentless attempt to drive all expression of religious faith from the public square and with it our ancient moral code, and above all the determination of the irreligious to destroy society's traditional respect for faith, is having a cumulative effect. This is what the elites have said we ought to have, and maybe we're not supposed to complain when we get the behavior of the jungle. How much of the blame for the stalking of Christian girls at Columbine High, for the assault on the Jewish day-care center in Los Angeles, and now for the slaying of the faithful at Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, should be attached to those who have declared war on the public expression of religious faith? The ACLU tirelessly seeks out cranks, nuts, malcontents, nerds, ginks and anyone else who might qualify as a plaintiff in a lawsuit to eliminate public exercises of faith. The bar association once frowned on barratry, the promiscuous incitement of litigation, but now we've got so many lawyers there aren't enough clients to go around. The hatred of Christians at Columbine and Fort Worth as a motive driving killers is usually ignored in the media. "The media were very quick in August to draw the conclusion that the shooter at the Jewish community center in Los Angeles was motivated by anti-Semitism," notes Brent Baker, vice president of research and publications for the Media Research Council. But in Fort Worth reporters and their editors are "being much more hesitant to assign a motive." Reporters and editors who are not careful are easily manipulated by special pleaders, hence the double standard. When Matthew Shepherd was beaten to death on a lonely rural road in Wyoming the reporters and editors quickly leaped to the conclusion that it was a "hate crime" because Mr. Shepherd was recognized as a homosexual by the thugs who killed him. The feds, from the president on up, just as quickly got in line. But Thursday someone asked Janet Reno, the attorney general, whether the Fort Worth shooter, who shouted blasphemous curses as he emptied his automatic pistol three times, was driven by similar hate. Of course he wasn't. Miss Reno, who concedes that she sometimes doesn't know what's going on, insists merely that "we must get answers" and "move carefully" to be sure that "we understand exactly what happened." And of course: "We should not jump to conclusions." Harold O.J. Brown of the Howard Center for the Family, Religion and Society finds a "similarity between the way the Roman authorities charged Christians of that era with odium humani generis -- 'hatred of the human race' --and the way the political and media establishment charge the Christians with creating a 'climate of hate.' " Scary stuff. Wesley Pruden is editor in chief of The Times. http://www.washtimes.com/politics/pruden.html Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
Re: [CTRL] why no cheeseburgers
-Caveat Lector- I remember on PAX TV, on their Bible code show, someone who obviously doesn't agree with Chuch Missler, said that he came up with a coded message "Missler is a fraud." Tenorlove who shocked everyone in church by publicly announcing that Jesus was a Jew --- Nicola Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.audiocentral.com/rshows/6640/archives98.html That was interesting Michael. You have been named after the warrior angel.You may like Chuck Missler who was Jewish by birth and after studying the Old Testament as a scholar found proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus was the Messiah. Not only that but he invented his own codes in the Bible without the aid of a computer even though he was one of the forerunners in the computer world. He has written a book about 500 pages on all the codes in there. Called Cosmic Codes, __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WACO poll
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daily Poll Who's to blame for the 1993 Waco tragedy? The ATF The FBI David Koresh Janet Reno The White House You failed to list Bush (any of'em), MI5, Bilderbergers, Unification Church / KCIA, Zionists, Bill Gates, Scientology, MENSA, or any of a number of other likely suspects. Why is the poll so skewed? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] You got mail from Wired News
-Caveat Lector- cobolmage sent you this message and story from Wired News. But the information flow works both ways, Brin said. To prove his point, he laid out this paradox: "In all of human history, no government has ever known more about its people than our government knows about us. And [yet] in all of human history, no people have ever been anywhere near as free." W I R E D N E W S - - - - - - - - - - Big Brother Is Your Friend by Chris Gaither BERKELEY, California -- The omnipresent cameras are coming, says science fiction writer David Brin. The question isn't when, but what they'll be pointing at. Surveillance cameras will be perched on every lamppost and windowsill, beaming the minutiae of daily life to police headquarters. Street crime will plummet, Brin says. See also: First Amendment? Not on the Job After all, look at the low crime rate in Britain, where watchful bobbies have access to more than 500,000 cameras. It doesn't stop there in Brin's future world. Everyone carries a camera, beaming images straight to the Internet. A cop pulls over a kid for speeding, and the whole scene is played out in the public domain. "What will the result be when this happens? A dramatic increase in professionalism and in legitimate arrests, and also an incredible renaissance in sarcasm on our city streets," Brin said at Saturday's California First Amendment Assembly at the University of California, Berkeley. "Because nothing like this will ever change human nature." "Now,you may not like this image, but anybody who tries to harm you is going to get caught," he said. Brin, an astrophysicist and author of such novels as The Postman, painted this surreal vision for attendees pondering whether freedom and privacy can coexist in the next millennium, when businesses and the government will probably know more about you than you know about yourself. Because whether we like it or not, Brin said, the cameras are imminent. The government already uses them as its eyes and databases as its memory. "All you accomplish by banning them is making sure that elites have the powers of gods, and that you don't," he said. Take, for example, increased monitoring in the workplace, where bosses can count their employees' keystrokes and time their bathroom breaks. Here's Brin's solution: Turn the cameras around to the top 50 execs in the company. Bosses can still spy on you, but you get to spy right back. "Given a choice between privacy and accountability, all of us can be relied upon to choose privacy for ourselves and accountability for everybody else," Brin said. Brin's vision was not universally shared. Earlier in the day, an attorney with the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation put forth the alternative solution to what she called the rash of "data Valdez incidents that spill information out to anyone who wants to see it." Citing such security breaches as Microsoft's baring of millions of Hotmail accounts and the exposure of customers' credit cards numbers on an Italian smut site, assistant staff counsel Deborah Pierce pushed for stricter limitations of information sharing. She called for banks and other consumer services to curtail their creation of mammoth personal-info databases and for Big Brother to chill out -- a view Brin would find naive. "We need to stop the government's current fetish for collecting more information than it really needs," she said. But the information flow works both ways, Brin said. To prove his point, he laid out this paradox: "In all of human history, no government has ever known more about its people than our government knows about us. And [yet] in all of human history, no people have ever been anywhere near as free." Open government, gadflies, and a vigilant press reconcile the conundrum, he said, because, "In all of human history, no people knew as much about their government." - - - - - - - - - - W I R E D N E W S Wired News is a real-time news service offering news briefs and in-depth reporting on politics, business, culture, and technology. For the most up-to-date coverage on the digital world, go to ... http://www.wired.com/news/ You are receiving this email because a friend or acquaintance sent it to you. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, please contact the sender, and not Wired News. Copyright 1999 Wired Digital, Inc. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to
[CTRL] fw: Misadventures in Marxism
-Caveat Lector- salon.com Books Aug. 30, 1999 URL: http://www.salon.com/books/it/1999/08/30/marx Misadventures in Marxism How can well-meaning American academics continue their romance with Karl Marx? European scholars can only guess. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Lawrence Osborne Of all the 19th century prophets, Karl Marx is the most stubbornly resistant to the ravages of age. The ideologies he spawned may have tumbled along with the watchtowers and barbed-wire walls that accompanied them, but something about the Old Man proves irresistible to the sensitively academic and to the affluently dissatisfied. In an age of corporate tyranny, his extravagant Old Testament beard, gimlet eyes and air of apocalyptic indignation seem to satisfy a desperate nostalgia for moral fire. Boredom with what C. Wright Mills described as the drab vacuity of America's white-collar "boutique" breeds a yearning among the bookish for redemption with an identifiable name -- and whose better than Marx's? Like most academics who march under his flag, Marx never set foot in a real factory or mine, but this lack of relevant experience only seems to make his condemnations of industrial alienation all the more appealing and lyrically impervious to criticism. In a strange way, with his neuroses and his journalistic violence, he is psychologically tailor-made for us. Two new books appearing this fall, one American, one European, ask us to reconsider the credibility of Marxism in the modern university. From CUNY's Marshall Berman, author of "All That Is Solid Melts Into Air," comes a collection of essays called "Adventures in Marxism," to be published by Verso in September. From the other side of the Atlantic, meanwhile, comes the massive, somber "Black Book of Communism," edited by French historian Stephane Courtois of the Centre National de Recherche Scientifique in Paris and editor of the Journal Communisme. The first book is a celebration of the insurrectionary and purportedly libertarian spirit of the young Marx. The latter, assembling a circle of experts in various regions from Cambodia to Russia to China, bills itself as the first systematic investigation of genocide committed in the name of the same prophet. Could they possibly, one immediately wonders, be talking about the same phenomenon? The answer is yes, although the two volumes could not be more different. Berman's naively romantic, charmingly self-indulgent ramblings around the radical landscape come in a canary yellow cover with gayly colored Toys "R" Us letters and an adorable little cartoon of Karl himself leaping about in a spasm of what looks like pure revolutionary glee. "The Black Book," on the other hand, is, well, black, with the forbidding sub-title "Crimes, Terror, Repression." Indeed, these covers alone seem to reflect the differing moods toward Marxism in American and European academia respectively. Europeans, after their long and arduously fruitless love-affair with Marxism, seem to have finally thrown in the towel; Americans, on the other hand, geographically remote from the actual thing, seem not to have lost their taste for radical effusions and postures. If the American campus is the ultimate refuge of lost causes, as it is so often accused of being, then it is the perfect sarcophagus for an ideology more or less abandoned by the vast swathes of humanity that actually lived under it. But then again, dreaming of the young Marx in a Manhattan loft and lining up for sub-standard soap for four hours a day in a Warsaw suburb were never exactly the same thing. American leftists, too, are prone to the proclivities of their extremely waffly and un-Marxist environment. Berman, a good-hearted old-time "Marxist humanist," loves to enthuse about the great ecumenical faith as if it were a combination of pop art, group therapy and virtuous Rolfing. Here he is, for example, on his mystical first reading of the "Manifesto": It helped me see how the bad things and the good things of the world could spring from the same place, how suffering could be a source of growth and joy, how radical thought could escape doldrums and dualisms and gather energy and vision for better times. In a chapter called "Unchained Melody," he waxes ecstatic on the transformational spirituality of creating unions: And it is not just educational but existential: the process of people, individually and collectively, discovering who they are. As they learn who they are, they will come to see that they need one another in order to be themselves. According to Berman, the really distasteful thing about capitalism is that it forces people to "freeze their feelings towards each other." The inmates of the Lubyanka, one supposes, would have sympathized. All in all, this bubbly stuff sounds more like publicity for Prozac or Life Spring than Marxism. We learn, too, with increasing weariness, that "the personal is political," that Marx was a tireless fighter for democracy (he was, needless to
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4
-Caveat Lector- @ After falling down a rabbit hole, you seem to have stumbled upon a whole new world. The first hint is the axe wielding man wearing a battered Stetson hat alongside a fourteen foot ferrotti, battling a horde of cute bunny rabbits. They fight valiantly, but without hope of success against the fluffy odds. In a flash of insight you realize you have fallen into the reality of: news:alt.devilbunnies - see http://www.devilbunnies.org/ : Have you been attacked by devilbunnies lately? Have you killed any rabbits lately? Were/are they Satanic? Were you overwhelmed, wnderwhelmed, whelmed? NOW I understand the whole Jimmy Carter thing!! Thanks Ric! Tenorlove who loves widdle biddy bunny wabbits..fricasseed __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
