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-Caveat Lector- On 19 Dec 98 , KA wrote: And as I've mentioned more than once, federal judges HAVE been impeached for behavior which could be construed to be solely 'sexual matters and personal crimes'...so if conduct is considered an impeachable offense in a federal judge, why WOULDN'T it also be an impeachable offense in the President of the United States? Well, June, now don't be naive. You've been on this list a long time. You know that when you move into an important judgeship or an elected office, the party has "something" on you. If you behave yourself, that something stays in the safe. If you cross an important line, out it comes, and you are gone. Most daily business doesn't matter all that much, but in an important issue, you would have a reason to do what is wanted from you...that is how politics "works." A word about Larry Flynt. He has always been an advocate of free speech. In the early 60s, he purchased the LA Free Press and printed one issue which documented the many witnesses to the JFK assassination who had mysteriously died, who had never been questioned, etc. He promised that in the next issue, he would name the names of the people who had really been involved. There never was a second issue. Flynt was shot--for being a "pornographer." The pictures of him in the press rival the miserable looking shots of Clinton that are appearing in the press today. Not only was he shot, but there are some who say that, in his period of house arrest, he and his wife were forcibly addicted to drugs, and, as a result of that addiction, Althea Flynt died. (This was written about somewhere--Esquire? Rolling Stone?) For Flynt to offer $1 million dollars for information that would underline the hypocrisy of the Clinton impeachment, is in keeping with his beliefs in free, open, and honest speech. Clearly, he risks being finished off once and for allso there is some courage in his willingness to risk himself for what he believes is The Truth. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: For the sake of clarification, please note that my opinion, albeit shared by many, is neither new, nor the line of any party. BTW, watch that stereotyping! The claim that every nonmember of Cult Clinton is by default a Republican is as silly as the notion that everyone who values life is a fanatical, right wing fundamentalist. Regards, Barb did you forget to take your medication barb? your usual haze seems to have sprung a fisher of clarity. don't stay in the sun too long though dear, you know how you burn. have fun and remember to play it safe concernedly, chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Males can't live with them, Can live without them! -- sorry about that. What I would be giving up (if I thought like that) and I do not want to. How would I chose a male and why do I think that Clinton is nothing more than a gigolo (in sex) and not a good one. He is cold blooded other wise. Whether a male gets paid for it or Pays for it, if education, and the belief that anyone is capable of learning most anything that they want to is not there, he is nothing more than a sexual object...Yes, that would include a husband. What criteria do I use to find a decent mate (partner)? 1) Does it walk on two legs 2) Is it a he (male) 3) Does he have to qualities of an intelligent animal Trustfulness, loyalty, knows what he can and can't do, is capable of learning, Knows what the word NO means! Hey, if they are to be better than animals they should be able to Best the best animals. 4) Being willing to stay around even after sex - being interested in me for more than sex. 5) Interested in education and it supporting the education of what ever children may result. 6) Does he show the qualities of a human? Not sharing his personal life with me with his buddies (verbally or otherwise) 7) Capable of teaching me, 8) Willing to understand me and work in a collaboration with me. 9) Does not idolize the fact that he is a male - Kinda "Does he wear his maleness or does it wear him" 10) When I hand him something off the wall can he send it back as well as take it Without it bruising his ego. 11) Is he willing to try to walk a mile in my shoes - before he criticizes. Clinton got stuck when I was defining the criteria of an intelligent animal. -Original Message- From: Stopforth, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ... -Caveat Lector- Oh so it IS about sex after all... Yeah, the president is getting impeached because he's a horrible sex toy according to Monica... Alrighty then... Jamie -Original Message- From: Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 12:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ... In a message dated 12/18/98 6:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the impeachment ISN'T ABOUT SEX... Just keep telling yourself that. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well, I hope we can agree to disagree. The Constitution is a 'political document. It is not a legal document using 'Law' definitions. If anything, the constitution is a 'common' document. "Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." The 'common' meaning of misdemeanor is - Misbehaviour; a misdeed. Then there is the legal definition which is an offense less than a felony; a comparative legal term. You will notice that the legal comparative is not mentioned in the Constitution. high Crimes is not considered a subsitute for the word felony, legally nor commonly. Because the word midemeanor is not used in the legal sense. By a quick perusal of quotes from the Federalist and by the very actions of the generation that founded our great country with blood and fortitude; and wrote that great document, that sexual matters and personal 'crimes', (a felony or misdeamors leagally) were not impeachable offenses. Different viewpoints. I did speak too soon on a double jeopardy defense, I'm from Canada, says Alex On checking in the good Document, and impeachment is just removal from office, disqualification from trough flow;"but Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and Punishment according to law." And yes, the President, is out on his "own recoginzance", untill his term ends. As he would be in most any court in the land, for his 'level' of criminality on the four impeachment charges. With his prior 'arrest and conviction' record. His 'service to the country'. Those are criteria judges use. I would rather Clinton resign. I do not believe that a partisan impeachment is the way to go. I do not care for Clinton, Don't know other than what I read, Don't know the man, don't know anyone that does. Had no truck with the guy. If he is just a stooge, Moe could have done a much better job. If ha-ha the mainstream line of; here is this guy from hope, arkansas that just overcame the odds and ran for president and won, is true -- what a stupid SOB. it could be a story among the many or some combination of such that is true or is he somewhere between a played patsy to a let-them-eat-cake, while I screw around and keep my job cause . . . @#$%^ 'em all and the bus they rode in on. Here is to the best of futures. Om K In a message dated 12/18/98 3:42:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think the president should resign. Perjury is not an impeachable offense. Sure it is...legally, perjury is considered a 'weightier' crime than bribery... Federal judges have been impeached merely for frequenting bawdy houses... Any behavior which is considered misconduct in office is impeachable, somethign our founding fathers recognized, as they drew upon the history and precedents of impeachment in the English Parliamentary system...where members have ALSO been impeached for spending time with prostitutes... Even if it is perjury. That is up to a criminal court He may be indicted in a criminal indictment but he may not be brought to a criminal trial untill after he leaves office. Which is why the House impeaches, and the Senate holds a trial...if two- thirds of the Senate deems that the charges have merit and vote the president out of office, then the criminal proceedings can commence... What you are arguing for is keeping a potentially criminally liable person in office until his term of office ends... There are many other 'offenses' that Clinton could be impeached on but those involve both political parties and the cryptocracy. No argument there... June DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector-
On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Constitution is a 'political document.
It is not a legal document using 'Law' definitions.
It most certainly IS a legal document, it is the document from where all
other U.S. laws stem...
CONSTITUTION: ...a) the system of basic laws and
principles of government, society, etc. b) a document
stating these. c) such a document of the U.S.
-- Webster's New World Dictionary
CONSTITUTION: an established law or custom...the basic
law in a politically organized body; also a document
containing such law
-- The Merriam-Webster Dictionary
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a
more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic
Tranquility, provide the common defence, promote the
general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
this Constitution for the United States of America."
-- Preamble to the U.S. Constitution
"This Constitution, and all Laws of the United States
which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all
Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme
Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall
be bound thereby...
-- Article VI, U.S. Constitution
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned,
and the Members of the several State Legislatures,
and all executive and judicial Officers, both of
the United States and of the several States, shall
be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this
Constitution..."
-- Article VI, U.S. Constitution
If the Constitution is NOT a legal document, then it is meaningless...
and I don't want to hear you, or anyone else complaining about 'the right
to free speech', or 'the right to keep and bear arms', if you sincerely
believe it is nothing except a 'common' piece of paper...
By a quick perusal of quotes from the Federalist and by the very actions of
the generation that founded our great country with blood and fortitude; and
wrote that great document, that sexual matters and personal 'crimes', (a
felony or misdeamors leagally) were not impeachable offenses.
No, but perjury, and obstruction of justice -- which is what the 4
articles of impeachment against Clinton comprise -- ARE considered
impeachable offenses.
And as I've mentioned more than once, federal judges HAVE been impeached
for behavior which could be construed to be solely 'sexual matters and
personal crimes'...so if conduct is considered an impeachable offense in
a federal judge, why WOULDN'T it also be an impeachable offense in the
President of the United States?
On checking in the good Document, and impeachment is just removal from
office, disqualification from trough flow;"but Party convicted shall
nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and
Punishment according to law."
Yes, the party who is impeached and removed from office can than be
subject to a criminal trial...but a criminal trial is not required...
IOW, a party impeached and removed on criminal matters may NOT
necessarily get a criminal trial afterwards, while OTOH a party may be
impeached and removed from office on matters which are not necessarily
legally criminal, but fall under the umbrella of 'misconduct in
office'
I would rather Clinton resign.
I'd rather it go to a trial -- that way each article can be laid out for
all to see, and all the evidence in support of, or opposing, be shown for
all to see...
With resignation, you'll just get the Clintonistas bleating forever about
how he was 'unfairly hounded out of office' (which now the Republicans
can complain was done to Livingston, who just announced his resignation)
...with a trial, both sides get to present their case...
And since everyone seems to feel that there aren't enough votes in the
Senate to carry a resolution to remove Clinton from office, one would
think Clinton and his supporters would be embracing this option...so one
does have to wonder what those who claim to support Clinton but call for
his resignation which to hide...
I do not believe that a partisan impeachment is the way to go.
Well, impeachment seems to be a foregone conclusion...Clinton WILL be
impeached today...so the question lies in whether he resigns, or
undergoes a Senate trial and is possibly voted by the Senate to be
removed from office...
June
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-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, E Mael wrote: it is the pervasiveness of alcoholic poisoning in this country that accounts for the all pervasive symptom that people think that they can change someone's mind about anything at all. furthermore it is only the ones who step out from the alcoholic poisoning loop who know that, no matter what method you may use, there is no way that anyone can change anyone else's mind about anything. what do you drink june, and how often? It's a shame I have to waste my limited allottment of posts to this list to respond to this slander... But typical of the Clintonistas in Congress, instead of sticking to the issues, you attempt to slander those with whom you disagree. But in answer to your question, I drink coffee, tea, and an occasional soft drink...I do not partake of alcohol... I also do not partake on any illicit/illegal chemical substances. Can YOU say the same? June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 7:10:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Constitution is a 'political document. It is not a legal document using 'Law' definitions. It most certainly IS a legal document, it is the document from where all In a message dated 12/19/98 7:10:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may disagree. The Constitution is not a legal document, it is the begatter of laws and of legal defences. It is a common document. Misdemeanor is not used in the the impeachment clause as to its law definition other U.S. laws stem... CONSTITUTION: ...a) the system of basic laws and principles of government, society, etc. b) a document stating these. c) such a document of the U.S. -- Webster's New World Dictionary CONSTITUTION: an established law or custom...the basic law in a politically organized body; also a document containing such law -- The Merriam-Webster Dictionary "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." -- Preamble to the U.S. Constitution "This Constitution, and all Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby... -- Article VI, U.S. Constitution "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution..." -- Article VI, U.S. Constitution If the Constitution is NOT a legal document, then it is meaningless... and I don't want to hear you, or anyone else complaining about 'the right to free speech', or 'the right to keep and bear arms', if you sincerely believe it is nothing except a 'common' piece of paper... It is the paper of our common understanding. It is a statement of our natural rights. It is a document that begats out laws. It is part of our organic laws, with such documents as the Declaration of Independce and such. It is a repository of of things laws cannot be made about. It is not a legal document. It is before our legal documents. By a quick perusal of quotes from the Federalist and by the very actions of the generation that founded our great country with blood and fortitude; and wrote that great document, that sexual matters and personal 'crimes', (a felony or misdeamors leagally) were not impeachable offenses. No, but perjury, and obstruction of justice -- which is what the 4 articles of impeachment against Clinton comprise -- ARE considered impeachable offenses. And as I've mentioned more than once, federal judges HAVE been impeached for behavior which could be construed to be solely 'sexual matters and personal crimes'...so if conduct is considered an impeachable offense in a federal judge, why WOULDN'T it also be an impeachable offense in the President of the United States? No, June, and there is much disagreement from scholars as to the 'fact' of those 'crimes' impeachability. You may say so, but you are not binding. It is quite obvious from history and the Constitution that impeachment of the president is different that judges. Federal judges are appointed. The President is elected by the people in a general election. What we are witnessing are partisan impeachment proceedings. Theatre not justice. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Caveat Lector- On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, E Mael wrote: it is the pervasiveness of alcoholic poisoning in this country that accounts for the all pervasive symptom that people think that they can change someone's mind about anything at all. furthermore it is only the ones who step out from the alcoholic poisoning loop who know that, no matter what method you may use, there is no way that anyone can change anyone else's mind about anything. what do you drink june, and how often? It's a shame I have to waste my limited allottment of posts to this list to respond to this slander... But typical of the Clintonistas in Congress, instead of sticking to the issues, you attempt to slander those with whom you disagree. But in answer to your question, I drink coffee, tea, and an occasional soft drink...I do not partake of alcohol... I also do not partake on any illicit/illegal chemical substances. Can YOU say the same? June "...me thinkest she doth protest too much". if it did not have merit, why have you qualified it with a response. you felt that you could change my mind about you. typical as i said, of those who rely upon alcohol. you have just confirmed my argument and now any protestation that you may make only further confirms what i have already written, only now we can add "denial" as one of the top ten maladies that are all pervasive in this fine country of ours. i do not care if you drink or not, it does not matter one iota; but your protesting it seems to give it a little merit and further invited suspicions of denial. no june, we cannot change anyon's mind about anything but it is fun watching you try. musingly chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 6:49:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, it's you Clintonistas who keep telling yourself it IS only about sex... The rest of us know it's about perjury and obstruction of justice... From January to October the Republicans and the news media told us it was all about sex. They described the activities in great detail, even a large volume of salacious material was released by the Republicans to the delight of the press. Then, all became quiet and the news media seemed confused and the Republicans chagrined. Then in a bit Salon let it be known that Henry Hyde, Dan Burton, and Helen Chenoweth were lying adulterers like that mean old Clinton. Then it was leaked that Strom Thrurmond had a child out of wedlock with an African-American woman although he, unlike Burton who also fathered a child out of wedlock, at least paid some child support (hush money?). What to do? Then, shazam, it was no longer a matter of sex or about lying. It was a matter of lying under oath about sex! Phew! (see Barb Witts last post if you doubt that this is the new party line. To tell the truth, these lying ass Republicans are right. It isn't about sex or lies. It is about a strange right-wing belief that only they are entitled to rule and it serves their and God's purpose to do anything including dragging this country down to dust to take control of the nation. It is about a coup d'etat. It is about enacting a crime under network TV cameras. It is about the arrogant rich and their servants (the Republicans and the news media) telling the world that they and they alone will make they key decisions in this country. Maybe it is a banana republic at that. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. I think the scene might look like one of those lottery commercials. You know--the one where everyone races out of the concert hall. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. MJ: Perhaps I missed it, but could you kindly posit those articles of impeachment which 'condemn' the President for an 'extramarital affair'? Regard$, --MJ You vote for me and I´ll give you family values. ... I promise you the most ethical administration in the history of our country. -- Bill Clinton. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- The private lives of our reps ought to remain as such. Papers like Roll Call and dirt mags like Hustler, both allegedly involved in the Livingston expose, apparently have nothing better to do but go on WH tips and reveal crap no one out here really cares about. Yuck! Tonite, Drudge reports that the WH knew about the Livingston affairs. Three words, folks: 900 FBI files. Does anyone really care whether a guy, who's been married for over 30 years, with a couple kids, strays? Naw, I sure don't. And I would say the same thing if he was a Dem! Now before ya'll jump all over this and say it's a double standard b/c we're after BC for his affairs, hold your horses. Livingston didn't -lie about it to a federal grand jury; obstruct justice b/c of those affair(s); consciously have others lie for him; and so forth. Livingston did none of that. And Livingston ain't the POTUS either. The POTUS is held to a higher standard. Higher than anyone else. And he knows it. We know. And the House knows it. That's why BC ought to be impeached tomorrow. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. I think the scene might look like one of those lottery commercials. You know--the one where everyone races out of the concert hall. sno0wl -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- MJ- I guess you're not up on your Clinton trivia. The Republican Party's campaign to subvert two national elections began eight years ago... Starting with Larry Nichols/Rush Limbaugh...and other honchos in the Republican party who used talk radio to do character assassinations of President Clinton... Usually, these dirty tricks campaign involved drumming up one phony allegation after another and serving it up for the ditto heads. Clinton had Vince Foster murdered; Clinton operated a satanic kiddie porno ring at the Governor's School in Little Rock; Clinton ran drugs out of Mena, Arkansas;... one allegation after another... Your brethren on the far right decided that they could bring him down by destroying his character. and of course, it didn't work very well, MJ. He was reelectedand to the horror of your compatriots, the public really weren't interested in what the far right was serving up. That is why Newt was asked to step down.. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, M. A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. MJ: Perhaps I missed it, but could you kindly posit those articles of impeachment which 'condemn' the President for an 'extramarital affair'? Regard$, --MJ You vote for me and I´ll give you family values. ... I promise you the most ethical administration in the history of our country. -- Bill Clinton. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Public discourse has sunk to this level because one of our major parties is on a crusade. As a result of their error, they've lost seven seats in the House and their leader has had to take a hike... On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, A.C. Szul wrote: -Caveat Lector- The private lives of our reps ought to remain as such. Papers like Roll Call and dirt mags like Hustler, both allegedly involved in the Livingston expose, apparently have nothing better to do but go on WH tips and reveal crap no one out here really cares about. Yuck! Tonite, Drudge reports that the WH knew about the Livingston affairs. Three words, folks: 900 FBI files. Does anyone really care whether a guy, who's been married for over 30 years, with a couple kids, strays? Naw, I sure don't. And I would say the same thing if he was a Dem! Now before ya'll jump all over this and say it's a double standard b/c we're after BC for his affairs, hold your horses. Livingston didn't -lie about it to a federal grand jury; obstruct justice b/c of those affair(s); consciously have others lie for him; and so forth. Livingston did none of that. And Livingston ain't the POTUS either. The POTUS is held to a higher standard. Higher than anyone else. And he knows it. We know. And the House knows it. That's why BC ought to be impeached tomorrow. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. I think the scene might look like one of those lottery commercials. You know--the one where everyone races out of the concert hall. sno0wl -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Mr. Tunstall, With all due respect ... I think you have me confused with a Republican -- who in general are merely a little to the 'right' of the Democrats who are 'well to the left'. *I* am just to the left of Anarchy realizing that government is needed to avoid endless gang warfare -- prefering a simple standard found within the Document that dissolved the government bonds within this country and formed the philosophy by which our Constitution was drafted. If you would like to posit a response to my post rather than putting me in a box which is more easily dismissed -- at least by association, I am all ears. Regard$, Michael What's *just* has been debated for centuries but let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn *belongs* to you -- and why? --Walter Williams William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ- I guess you're not up on your Clinton trivia. The Republican Party's campaign to subvert two national elections began eight years ago... Starting with Larry Nichols/Rush Limbaugh...and other honchos in the Republican party who used talk radio to do character assassinations of President Clinton... Usually, these dirty tricks campaign involved drumming up one phony allegation after another and serving it up for the ditto heads. Clinton had Vince Foster murdered; Clinton operated a satanic kiddie porno ring at the Governor's School in Little Rock; Clinton ran drugs out of Mena, Arkansas;... one allegation after another... Your brethren on the far right decided that they could bring him down by destroying his character. and of course, it didn't work very well, MJ. He was reelectedand to the horror of your compatriots, the public really weren't interested in what the far right was serving up. That is why Newt was asked to step down.. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From listening to some of the 'news' shows last evening, it may be likely that BL's past liaisons could be investigated or just looked into ... never know what can turn up when it's least expected; after all, even Revvin' Jerry was taken aback by BL's drive to get the Speaker seat when he knew his own history better than anyone ... considering one person's indiscretion wound up on the House floor, what's to stop any more ? AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust -- : From: A.C. Szul [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ... : Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 11:13 PM : : Now before ya'll jump all over this and say it's a double standard b/c we're after : BC for his affairs, hold your horses. : : Livingston didn't : -lie about it to a federal grand jury; : obstruct justice b/c of those affair(s); : consciously have others lie for him; : and so forth. : : Livingston did none of that. And Livingston ain't the POTUS either. The POTUS is : held to a higher standard. Higher than anyone else. And he knows it. We know. And : the House knows it. That's why BC ought to be impeached tomorrow. : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 10:00 PM 12/17/98 +, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. I think the scene might look like one of those lottery commercials. You know--the one where everyone races out of the concert hall. sno0wl No intellectually honest person believes that Clinton's plight is simply due to philandering. As has been stated innumerable times, no one, conservative, liberal or in between cares if Clinton engages in extramarital sex an infinite number of times with countless persons. Your attitude regarding Clinton - blind faith, unthinking loyalty, absurd denial in the face of facts admitted by Clinton himself - is quintessential fundamentalist/cult thinking. Does endorsing Clinton's politics and embracing his political vision really require that you defend EVERYTHING he does, no matter how illegal??? As far as Livingston, or any of the other philanderers/crooks in office, they too can screw their brains out, they just cannot lie about it before a trial court and a grand jury. The he did it too! argument is reminiscent of grade school where young children attempt to avoid punishment by deflecting the attention to someone else (i.e., snitching). Or even junior high when everyone does it! is the preferred rationale for base behavior. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- MJ Sorry for placing you in a box. I'm glad that you are appreciative of the need for government. As a strict Constitutionalist (I'm making an assumption that you consider yourself as one...), you favor a small government, I presume. At least, one that does not abrogate to itself any rights that are not delegated to it. That is an attractive idea... and I won't belabor this point..but I think that you must take into consideration the changed nature of American social, economic, political, cultural realities... We (as a nation) have moved from being thirteen states to a global empire (superpower) of today. Since I assume that you are a student of history, I think a comparison with Greece and Rome is in order.. Clearly, we are in the "empire" phase, wouldn't you agree? Whether you or I like this...is somewhat irrelevant. If we could turn back the clock to the eighteenth centuryor perhaps, the early nineteenth centurywe would find the US of A being quite different in terms of its demographics, degree of industrialization, extent of commercial development.. The need for laws, social cooperation, social cohesiveness was minimalwouldn't you agree? But now look at the country! It is a very very different place, isn't it? We have gone the way of empirewestward expansion...seizing more land, placing more individuals under the power of our government. Do I approve? Well, what is the typical fate of empires? But, on the other hand, if we had not expanded, there are arguments to be made that we would still be under British rule. At least, so goes the argument for the westward expansion.. And if we are to speak in terms of property and libertyof course, our national government legally (via a series of treaties) seized enormous chunks of territory in order to expand So, expansion is very much part of the American temperament.. We went through a period in our national history when we wanted our "lebensraum" But as we expanded and became a global empire, new realities have come into play. Hence the government must deal with problems the original government never faced.. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, M. A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Mr. Tunstall, With all due respect ... I think you have me confused with a Republican -- who in general are merely a little to the 'right' of the Democrats who are 'well to the left'. *I* am just to the left of Anarchy realizing that government is needed to avoid endless gang warfare -- prefering a simple standard found within the Document that dissolved the government bonds within this country and formed the philosophy by which our Constitution was drafted. If you would like to posit a response to my post rather than putting me in a box which is more easily dismissed -- at least by association, I am all ears. Regard$, Michael What's *just* has been debated for centuries but let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn *belongs* to you -- and why? --Walter Williams William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- MJ- I guess you're not up on your Clinton trivia. The Republican Party's campaign to subvert two national elections began eight years ago... Starting with Larry Nichols/Rush Limbaugh...and other honchos in the Republican party who used talk radio to do character assassinations of President Clinton... Usually, these dirty tricks campaign involved drumming up one phony allegation after another and serving it up for the ditto heads. Clinton had Vince Foster murdered; Clinton operated a satanic kiddie porno ring at the Governor's School in Little Rock; Clinton ran drugs out of Mena, Arkansas;... one allegation after another... Your brethren on the far right decided that they could bring him down by destroying his character. and of course, it didn't work very well, MJ. He was reelectedand to the horror of your compatriots, the public really weren't interested in what the far right was serving up. That is why Newt was asked to step down.. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
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-Caveat Lector- At 12:13 AM 12/18/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The private lives of our reps ought to remain as such. Papers like Roll Call and dirt mags like Hustler, both allegedly involved in the Livingston expose, apparently have nothing better to do but go on WH tips and reveal crap no one out here really cares about. Yuck! Tonite, Drudge reports that the WH knew about the Livingston affairs. Three words, folks: 900 FBI files. Does anyone really care whether a guy, who's been married for over 30 years, with a couple kids, strays? Naw, I sure don't. And I would say the same thing if he was a Dem! Now before ya'll jump all over this and say it's a double standard b/c we're after BC for his affairs, hold your horses. Livingston didn't -lie about it to a federal grand jury; obstruct justice b/c of those affair(s); consciously have others lie for him; and so forth. Livingston did none of that. And Livingston ain't the POTUS either. The POTUS is held to a higher standard. Higher than anyone else. And he knows it. We know. And the House knows it. That's why BC ought to be impeached tomorrow. Perfectly stated! Barb Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 17 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: -Caveat Lector- From http://www.rollcall.com Livingston Confesses Affairs By Jim VandeHei House Speaker Bob Livingston (R-La.) tonight plans to disclose to the Republican Conference that he has had sexual affairs in his past and will offer to resign his post, according to GOP sources. And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. I think the scene might look like one of those lottery commercials. You know--the one where everyone races out of the concert hall. sno0wl -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote: And I say that before they hold Clinton over the spit, let every single on of those legislators who has had an extramarital affair step downand let's see who's left. Did any of those legislators perjure themselves regarding the affair? Did they have an affair with an employee while undergoing a sexual harassment suit by another employee? You see Marilyn (and KNOW very well, altho you refuse to admit it), it has NOTHING to do with sex, within or without the boundaries of the marriage contract... Clinton is being impeached for PERJURY, and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE... Altho WAR CRIMINAL should now be added to the list... So it is irrelevant if Livingston's had an affair in his own past...it is irrelevant if EVERYONE in the House of Representatives has had an extramarital affair, since the impeachment ISN'T ABOUT SEX... June ! _ _ _ _ _ _` __ _ _ _ |_ . _ _ _ | -~*~- _/_)(/_(_|/_)(_)| )/_) (_|| (/_(/_ | || )(_|/_) o /!\_| _| /%;@\ o/@,%\o /%;`@,\ o/@'%',\o '^^^M^^^` www.xs4all.nl/~klr *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: I guess you're not up on your Clinton trivia. The Republican Party's campaign to subvert two national elections began eight years ago... Starting with Larry Nichols/Rush Limbaugh...and other honchos in the Republican party who used talk radio to do character assassinations of President Clinton... Usually, these dirty tricks campaign involved drumming up one phony allegation after another and serving it up for the ditto heads. Clinton had Vince Foster murdered; Clinton operated a satanic kiddie porno ring at the Governor's School in Little Rock; Clinton ran drugs out of Mena, Arkansas;... one allegation after another... Your brethren on the far right decided that they could bring him down by destroying his character. and of course, it didn't work very well, MJ. He was reelectedand to the horror of your compatriots, the public really weren't interested in what the far right was serving up. That is why Newt was asked to step down.. + Thanks for your posts. What some people with tunnel-vision or blinders on this list can't seem to comprehend is what my favorite teachers in undergraduate school always called, laughingly, "the Big Picture." This is why Hitler was able to control the German people so easily. You can take a good idea (like preventing sexual harrassment in the business world), then get a law passed. If you can't control the president any other way, you select someone to set him up (like Monica, with her sexually obsessive background and ties to wealthy families like Peter Straus), then get her a job as an unpaid intern. She flirts, smiles, wiggles, and does all the things Bill is known to respond to. When he repeatedly says no to her, she suddenly is befriended by someone with a long background of "intelligence" connections who starts warning her about the need to have evidence to protect herself. That's when Starr's friends, associates and former partners in various jobs he's held can be seen to be manipulating Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp to send Monica back to make more enticements. At the same time they were bribing Paula Jones and actually putting up the money to keep her lawsuit going alleging harrassment, when her reputation in sexual matters was equally as seedy as Monica's. But it was a legal technicality, and that's all they had to hang their hat on. Anyone who refuses to see that this was a set up is no different than the people who followed Hitler blindly into the holocaust. It's easy to create a law and then focus on its technicalities. That's why we no longer have justice under the American system of jurisprudence. The big picture of the Constitution, due process, fundamental fairness have been removed. All for the sake of--what? What motivates these technocrats? It certainly isn't morality. Ask yourself who these people really are; what is their background? Do some research and use your brain. That's what I like about your posts, William. They show you think and ask questions. Thanks. Linda Minor DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Linda Minor wrote: get a law passed. If you can't control the president any other way, you select someone to set him up (like Monica, with her sexually obsessive background and ties to wealthy families like Peter Straus), then get her a job as an unpaid intern. She flirts, smiles, wiggles, and does all the things Bill is known to respond to. When he repeatedly says no to her, she It was fine up until the last bit (altho I'd argue whether Lewinsky was part of a deliberate setup)... But to suggest that Clinton 'repeatedly' said no to Lewinsky is the most hilarious thing I've heard from you Clintonistas...especially since both he and Lewinsky verify the fact that it didn't take much more than Lewinsky batting her eyelashes to get Clinton to go down on her... There is NOTHING in Clinton's own decidedly flawed testimony where he implies that Lewinsky had to work very hard to get him interested in an illicit relationship with her... Goldberg and Linda Tripp to send Monica back to make more enticements. At the same time they were bribing Paula Jones and actually putting up the money to keep her lawsuit going alleging harrassment, when her reputation in sexual matters was equally as seedy as Monica's. Again, I'd argue that either Ms. Jones or Ms. Lewinsky had 'seedy' reputations (except amongst you Clintonistas, who endeavor at all costs to besmirch their reputations -- a real shame in the case of Ms. Lewinsky, who seems to actually be in love with Bubba)... But since even prostitutes can be victims of rape, your argument is meaningless anyways... Anyone who refuses to see that this was a set up is no different than the people who followed Hitler blindly into the holocaust. No, it's you Clintonistas who are slavishly devoted to a charismatic leader who is leading you ultimately to doom and destruction...if not quite on the level of Hitler, then definitely in a class like Jim Jones, or Heaven's Gate... It's easy to create a law and then focus on its technicalities. That's why we no longer have justice under the American system of jurisprudence. The big picture of the Constitution, due process, fundamental fairness have been removed. Uh, let's see...when two original articles of the Constitution are followed strictly to the letter, you interpret that as being unfair? I suppose throwing the Constitution out the window, and doing something unconstitutional, like censure, WOULD be considered fair by you? Or perhaps not doing anything at all, allowing Clinton to get away with perjury, while any regular citizen committing perjury would find the full weight of the jurisprudence system crashing down on their heads -- such a double standard would be 'fair' to you? June ! _ _ _ _ _ _` __ _ _ _ |_ . _ _ _ | -~*~- _/_)(/_(_|/_)(_)| )/_) (_|| (/_(/_ | || )(_|/_) o /!\_| _| /%;@\ o/@,%\o /%;`@,\ o/@'%',\o '^^^M^^^` www.xs4all.nl/~klr *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:06:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sources say Livingston was called recently and told a story about his past could be coming out soon. Yeah, well if some kind soul had called Clinton and told him about Linda baby, the tapes and the dress Monica was keeping for posterity, he probably would have told "all" as well.Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- May I had an amen. Personally I don't really care for all the banter, but it does serve a purpose and lets us see all the silly, explorations that go on and how 'history' is written, myopically. Dogmatic actions begat by 'thought' 'boxes' prepared well in advance. Life is but a stage and we are actors, well, don't forget about the prop guy, the lighting folks, the stage hands, etc; the scenery, the author and the stage and theatre itself. Om k In a message dated 12/18/98 4:50:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your posts. What some people with tunnel-vision or blinders on this list can't seem to comprehend is what my favorite teachers in undergraduate school always called, laughingly, "the Big Picture." This is why Hitler was able to control the German people so easily. You can take a good idea (like preventing sexual harrassment in the business world), then get a law passed. If you can't control the president any other way, you select someone to set him up (like Monica, with her sexually obsessive background and ties to wealthy families like Peter Straus), then get her a job as an unpaid intern. She flirts, smiles, wiggles, and does all the things Bill is known to respond to. When he repeatedly says no to her, she suddenly is befriended by someone with a long background of "intelligence" connections who starts warning her about the need to have evidence to protect herself. That's when Starr's friends, associates and former partners in various jobs he's held can be seen to be manipulating Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp to send Monica back to make more enticements. At the same time they were bribing Paula Jones and actually putting up the money to keep her lawsuit going alleging harrassment, when her reputation in sexual matters was equally as seedy as Monica's. But it was a legal technicality, and that's all they had to hang their hat on. Anyone who refuses to see that this was a set up is no different than the people who followed Hitler blindly into the holocaust. It's easy to create a law and then focus on its technicalities. That's why we no longer have justice under the American system of jurisprudence. The big picture of the Constitution, due process, fundamental fairness have been removed. All for the sake of--what? What motivates these technocrats? It certainly isn't morality. Ask yourself who these people really are; what is their background? Do some research and use your brain. That's what I like about your posts, William. They show you think and ask questions. Thanks. Linda Minor DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 5:07:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps not doing anything at all, allowing Clinton to get away with perjury, while any regular citizen committing perjury would find the full weight of the jurisprudence system crashing down on their heads -- such a double standard would be 'fair' to you? Personally, I think the president should resign. Perjury is not an impeachable offense. Even if it is perjury. That is up to a criminal court He may be indicted in a criminal indictment but he may not be brought to a criminal trial untill after he leaves office. There are many other 'offenses' that Clinton could be impeached on but those involve both political parties and the cryptocracy. The whole show orchestrated with polarizing affectations. You may wake-up to the truth now or in twenty years when the princples tell the truth. Isn't it time to stop being lead by our noses and stand-up like human beings and think on our feet instead of reactive Nuero-Linguistic-Programming? MHO. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 2:55:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as Livingston, or any of the other philanderers/crooks in office, they too can screw their brains out, they just cannot lie about it beforea trial court and a grand jury. In any ethics class or discussion, your statement would be an excellent example of narrow legalism taking the place of objective reality. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 6:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the impeachment ISN'T ABOUT SEX... Just keep telling yourself that. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Or perhaps not doing anything at all, allowing Clinton to get away with perjury, while any regular citizen committing perjury would find the full weight of the jurisprudence system crashing down on their heads -- such a double standard would be 'fair' to you? June it is the pervasiveness of alcoholic poisoning in this country that accounts for the all pervasive symptom that people think that they can change someone's mind about anything at all. furthermore it is only the ones who step out from the alcoholic poisoning loop who know that, no matter what method you may use, there is no way that anyone can change anyone else's mind about anything. what do you drink june, and how often? chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: So it is irrelevant if Livingston's had an affair in his own past...it is irrelevant if EVERYONE in the House of Representatives has had an extramarital affair, since the impeachment ISN'T ABOUT SEX... June you are right june; as everyone knows it is the party, not what was or was not done. the republicrats are showing the world that they will damned well get what they want, no matter what the price. something about the narcissistic delusion that expects imediate gratification and money is no object. custom made for people born on 2nd and 3rd base, who have not had enough trouble in their lives and make it their life long business to stir it up at every opportunity. you support a society of some pretty sick s.o.b.'s. i think they are commonly referred to as shit disturbers. keep stirring june, your tempest in a teapot will bring trouble on someone yet. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Oh so it IS about sex after all... Yeah, the president is getting impeached because he's a horrible sex toy according to Monica... Alrighty then... Jamie -Original Message- From: Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 12:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 6:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the impeachment ISN'T ABOUT SEX... Just keep telling yourself that. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 01:16 PM 12/18/98 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 2:55:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as Livingston, or any of the other philanderers/crooks in office, they too can screw their brains out, they just cannot lie about it beforea trial court and a grand jury. In any ethics class or discussion, your statement would be an excellent example of narrow legalism taking the place of objective reality. And in any conversation outside academia among persons utilizing common sense, your statement would be an excellent example of pseudo intellectualism, arrogantly hurled to facilitate your attempt to change the subject, ignore the facts and promote a particular ideology.I do appreciate the feedback, it's just so predictable! Try using your "narrow legalism vs. objective reality" outside a classroom, say in a courtroom, and see how far it gets you. Regards, Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think the president should resign. Perjury is not an impeachable offense. Sure it is...legally, perjury is considered a 'weightier' crime than bribery... Federal judges have been impeached merely for frequenting bawdy houses... Any behavior which is considered misconduct in office is impeachable, somethign our founding fathers recognized, as they drew upon the history and precedents of impeachment in the English Parliamentary system...where members have ALSO been impeached for spending time with prostitutes... Even if it is perjury. That is up to a criminal court He may be indicted in a criminal indictment but he may not be brought to a criminal trial untill after he leaves office. Which is why the House impeaches, and the Senate holds a trial...if two- thirds of the Senate deems that the charges have merit and vote the president out of office, then the criminal proceedings can commence... What you are arguing for is keeping a potentially criminally liable person in office until his term of office ends... There are many other 'offenses' that Clinton could be impeached on but those involve both political parties and the cryptocracy. No argument there... June ! _ _ _ _ _ _` __ _ _ _ |_ . _ _ _ | -~*~- _/_)(/_(_|/_)(_)| )/_) (_|| (/_(/_ | || )(_|/_) o /!\_| _| /%;@\ o/@,%\o /%;`@,\ o/@'%',\o '^^^M^^^` www.xs4all.nl/~klr *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Linda Minor says; Thanks for your posts. What some people with tunnel-vision or blinders on this list can't seem to comprehend is what my favorite teachers in undergraduate school always called, laughingly, "the Big Picture." This is why Hitler was able to control the German people so easily. No, it wasn't that easy at all, it was a combination of prevailant German philosphers, Kant and Hegel, whose views were the subjugation of the individual to the group, the group to the company, the company to the Fuhrer; self secrifice and doing one's duty. As Leonard Peikoff says in "The Ominous Parallels", it was the professors and ph.D's which helped to sell nazism to the German people, (pg 25, "(The Nazi) death camps," notes a writer in the New York Times, "were conceived, built and often administered by ph.D's.") coupled with a charismatic meglomaniac who told everybody he was going to pull the country up by it's bootstraps, as long as you do your duty; throw in a lot of greed, hundreds of thousands of people got rich or at least made money (see "The Splendid Blond Beast") through asset stripping of the Jews. The bankers put up much of the money, Standard oil (Rockefeller) supplied petroleum. Those are some of the major factors responsible for Hitler's reign. Linda says; You can take a good idea (like preventing sexual harrassment in the business world), then get a law passed. If you can't control the president any other way, you select someone to set him up (like Monica, with her sexually obsessive background and ties to wealthy families like Peter Straus), then get her a job as an unpaid intern. She flirts, smiles, wiggles, and does all the things Bill is known to respond to. When he repeatedly says no to her, she suddenly is befriended by someone with a long background of "intelligence" connections who starts warning her about the need to have evidence to protect herself. I say; What on earth are you talking about, "If you can't control the president any other way", the man *is* totally controlled, he's a Rockefeller prodigy, Rhodes "Scholar" and has committed so many crimes during his Arkansas Governor days and ensuing Presidency it's pointless going over them all again.. The morons who call these crimes "alleged" are either living in a disassociative state, are incurably ignorant, or are serving a particular agenda. Janet Reno has been running major interference for Bill since becoming Attorney General and the "Justice" Department is also rotten to the core. (checkout the inslaw case) How do you know he repeatedly said "No to her", because Clinton says so? Clinton is a pathological womaniser, lier, malignant narcissist whose only emotion or thoughts revolve around his own gratification and self- aggrandizement. Clinton's an excellent actor, as are most sociopaths, and that's why so many people have been fooled for so long. That's when Starr's friends, associates and former partners in various jobs he's held can be seen to be manipulating Lucianne Goldberg and Linda Tripp to send Monica back to make more enticements. At the same time they were bribing Paula Jones and actually putting up the money to keep her lawsuit going alleging harrassment, when her reputation in sexual matters was equally as seedy as Monica's. But it was a legal technicality, and that's all they had to hang their hat on. I say; Starr's "investigation" was a "Dog and pony show"; pretend you're doing something when in reality you're doing exactly nothing; don't concentrate on the most important cases such as Chinagate, Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, Vince Foster cover-up, Ron Brown "accident", the dozens of convenient deaths surrounding Bill, instead focus on a salacious sexual scandal which you know the majority of Americans don't give a damn about. Starr showed his true agenda when he concluded that Foster had committed suicide. Yes, he really is vindictively and tenaciously trying to "nail" Clinton, isn't he?! Linda says; Anyone who refuses to see that this was a set up is no different than the people who followed Hitler blindly into the holocaust. It's easy to create a law and then focus on its technicalities. That's why we no longer have justice under the American system of jurisprudence. The big picture of the Constitution, due process, fundamental fairness have been removed. All for the sake of--what? What motivates these technocrats? It certainly isn't morality. Ask yourself who these people really are; what is their background? Do some research and use your brain. That's what I like about your posts, William. They show you think and ask questions. Thanks. I say; The blind leading the blind. Gavin. Linda Minor DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many
Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-18 11:02:10 EST, you write: At 06:52 AM 12/18/98 -0600, Linda Minor wrote: -Caveat Lector- Anyone who refuses to see that this was a set up is no different than the people who followed Hitler blindly into the holocaust. O.k., assuming, arguendo, that your speculation is correct, I would still prefer someone in the White House who is not so easily manipulated, or at least more in control of himself than my dog. This is your defense - that Clinton is not responsible for his own actions? Do some research and use your brain. Why are certain persons on this list so friggin arrogant? Because someone disagrees with you does not mean that they aren't using their brain. Could your reference to tunnel vision simply be a projection of your own behavior??? In light of your education, the fawning veneration that you display for a political figure is inconceivable. That's what I like about your posts, William. They show you think and ask questions. Translation: You agree with my view of St. Clinton. Stripped of the verbiage, these defenses have been repeatedly propounded by the Clintonistas: (a) Clinton's lies were only about sex - one must be a prude to object; (b) Everyone engages in extra-marital affairs; (c) Republicans are criminals but don't get caught; (d) The vast right wing conspiracy is out to get Clinton; and the newest and most profound (e) Monica made him do it. You'll have to do much better than the above to convince anyone who has not worshipped at Clinton's altar. Barb Bravo, some good points. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
