[Declude.JunkMail] strange DNS failures

2003-08-14 Thread David Dodell
First the backround ... Imail 8.01, Declude 1.75i2, WinXP
Professional, Simple DNS 3.20.02

IN the past week, I've noticed the occasional REVDNS and SPAMDOMAINS
failures ... when I look, the tests are positive because Declude is
not getting a reverse DNS PTR record on the IP, and fails the test
thinking the IP doesn't have a PTR record.

But when I go to simple DNS, and look in the cache, the IP and PTR
record are there ... they are being lookup.

I then go to a workstation away from the Imail server, point to the
DNS address, do a PTR lookup on the record, and the correct PTR record
is returned.   So it appears that Simple DNS is looking up the PTR
records correctly, and will respond to an inquiry about them.

As I said, it is not always happening ... noticed two false lookups
this afternoon, but records were present.

To possibly help the issue, I put the DNS statement into Junkmail
global.cfg file so Junkmail has no excuse not to find the DNS server.

Any other ideas?

David

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting spam...

2003-08-14 Thread Matt Robertson
Yes, I got one of those personally.  Incredibly cheeky, but no doubt there are people 
dumb enough to fall for it.  If there weren't, we wouldn't still be getting those 
Nigerian scams.  Got one of those yesterday, too.

Visited their web site (which offers English and Russian language versions) and they 
have a not-too-convincing disclaimer saying they had nothing to do with the spam.

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[Declude.JunkMail] DNS/mail guru?

2003-08-14 Thread Harlan Young
We host a web site for a client who hosts and runs their own mail server.
Their mail to me fails as following:

X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 209.83.72.234
with no reverse DNS entry.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [209.83.72.234]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: HELOBOGUS, IPNOTINMX, REVDNS, WEIGHT10 [10]

They would like to set their server up properly.  Who can I steer them to?

Thanks,
Harlan Young
I Like It Like That, Inc.
Pequot Lakes, MN 56472

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS not working

2003-08-14 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Thomas, I just implemented VirusWall, but in a different configuration than
you have.

I think you should start by turning off the Disable insertion of InterScan
Received: header when processing messages.  This is on the Advanced
Options of the GUI, or in the intscan.ini in the [EMail-Scan] section by
setting DisabledReceivedHeader=no.

Then put in an IPBYPASS for that IP, which you say is 10.0.0.14

I'll have to leave it to others to comment on how this will affect your
SPAMDOMAINS test.

And FWIW, the Trend Micro InterScan VirusWall SMTP module does not gateway
the TCP connection.  It is a normal mail relay. It behaves as a normal MTA,
receiving the entire message and committing it to disk before it scans the
message for a virus.  The confusing bit is that it happens to have a feature
that it can happily forward mail to any port you specify (instead of just
tcp/25), which is a convenience for many who want to run the VirusWall on
the same box as their usual MTA.

More implementation notes (off topic):

- Trend doesn't do a sterling job of organizing the updates to this product.
I found it necessary to make several tickets with their support desk and as
a result applied:

- the latest VSAPI engine 6.510-1002

- isnt3.53_servicepack_au1.32_b1000.zip to get the latest ActiveUpdate
software

- ISNTHotFix_B1563.zip to fix the logging of the inbound message action

And the following changes to the intscan.ini to turn on silently
quarantining the whole message if a virus is found in an inbound message
(this is documented in the readme.txt):

[EMail-Scan]
HoldInfectedInboundMsgs=Yes

I advise turning off this restrictive behaviour to prevent false positives
in Trend Micro Solution ID 13509:

[EMail-Scan]
AllowMultiContentType=yes (default is no)

VirusWall has the default behaviour of throttling the mail if there are more
than 20 bad attempts to address mail through it.  You'll want to set it to
whatever number you feel comfortable with (note, these entries must be
created):

[EMail-Scan]
MaxInServerTryCount=0 (default is 20)
MaxOutServerTryCount=0 (default is 20)

Andrew 8)

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From: Thomas Kishel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS not working


Scott,

 The question here is What do you want IPBYPASS to do?

We are using TrendMicro's VirusWall in front of our IMail server. It's SMTP
service appears to gateway a tcp connection between the sending and
receiving
mail servers. Therefore, IMail sees incoming connections with the sending
server
representing itself with its configured host name but with the IP address of
the
gateway. I have configured Declude (1.75) to IPBYPASS that address, but the
SPAMDOMAINS test always fails.

Are my expectations unrealistic considering my environment,
or is SPAMDOMAINS not honoring IPBYPASS?

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Topology:

Internet -
Firewall [(NAT) 208.20.231.2 - 10.0.0.2] -
TrendMicro VirusWall [10.0.0.14] -
Declude-IMail [10.0.0.4]

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Headers:

Received:
from web80703.mail.yahoo.com [10.0.0.14]
by email.meridiancg.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id AD711A3011C;
Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:06:57 -0400
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received:
from [208.20.231.2]
by web80703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;
Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:09:53 PDT
Date:
Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
From:
Thomas Kishel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
Test

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Declude Log:

08/06/2003 09:06:59 Qfd7101a3011ca7cd
Msg failed SPAMDOMAINS (Spamdomain 'yahoo.com' found:
Address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent from invalid .).
Action=LOG.

08/06/2003 09:06:59 Qfd7101a3011ca7cd
Subject: Test

08/06/2003 09:06:59 Qfd7101a3011ca7cd
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  IP: 10.0.0.14 ID:

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IMail Log:

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.4] connect 10.0.0.14 port 42167

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.14] HELO web80703.mail.yahoo.com

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.14] MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.14] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Larson Texts, Inc.


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[Declude.JunkMail] REVDNS- Blacklist revisit

2003-08-14 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Message



Hi;

A while back I 
suggested a test based on REVDNS. The idea was simply trying to track 
spammers that are not just occasional senders but do this on a much larger 
scale.

Since then we 
started tracking REVDNS of all addresses that send more than 1 email in a 
batch. Simply spammers that show up repeatedly in a single day and they 
send to a number of people on our servers..

The entries are 
taken from the results of this header entry:

X-Note: Sent from 
Reverse DNS: 

This is just one 
of the many entries that shows some convergence...:

.denyandpurify.com 
65.214.161.222
.foxonthetrot.com 
65.214.161.229
.elevengetseven.com 
65.214.161.229.denyandpurify.com65.214.161.230
.elevengetseven.com 
65.214.161.231

Different REVDNS 
.. same IP family.. two being identical IP's

One thing about 
this company is the domains they use all follow similar thinking.. the server 
they use to send the emails are different .. but their name server appears to be 
the same.

This could be a 
great test if added.

Just some 
thoughts...

Regards,
Kami


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ATTACH method not working properly

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

We're trying to make use of the ATTACH method (spamhider, 
whatever it's called) but aren't able to get it working properly.

Here's the current spamattach.eml file (I think it's the default):

You have spam!

Subject: %SUBJECT%
From: %MAILFROM%
Tests Failed: %TESTSFAILED%
To view the E-mail, just click the attachment.
The problem here is that you also need the headers.  The file should start 
with:

Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Declude JunkMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: %ALLRECIPS%
Subject: You have spam
Date: %RFCDATETIME%
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary=%RANDOMSTRING%
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
...


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RE : [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS Question

2003-08-14 Thread mail-list
Hi,

Do you know also how to fix too that with ASPMAil ?

Thanks
Mehdi Blagui

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Objet : RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS Question


Interesting. Thanks for the info!

Jose

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS Question



  Legitimate email is failing the BADHEADERS test. Do I need to
  modify something on my server so this test does not fail?

  You need to modify something on the mail client (the program sending
the
  E-mail is broken).

  Most likely, upgrading the mail client will fix the problem.

Why would I need to upgrade my mail client?

Because most people don't like running broken software on their
servers.  Most likely, you're running a beta version of the software
involved.

It's a ColdFusion page that's sending the email, by the way.

AH!  That explains the problem.

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00661.html
covers getting CF not to fail the SPAMHEADERS test.  Most likely,
another
broken part of CF (a bogus HELO/EHLO) is causing IMail to add a broken
header (since IMail generates the header on the assumption that the
HELO/EHLO information is valid), causing it to fail the BADHEADERS
test.  But, that problem will actually go away with the information at
the
above URL (since CF will add the header that IMail was adding).

-Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Fwd: SBL soon only from sbl.spamhaus.org

2003-08-14 Thread Rick Rountree
This was posted on NANOG today.  Another MUST READ if you use the OSSOFT
test or any other tests utilizing the Spamhaus SBL.
Rick Rountree
Dundee.net
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Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Anti-Virus: Scanned for known viruses by sentinel.ultradesign.net
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:42:07 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Steve Linford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SBL soon only from sbl.spamhaus.org
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Loop: nanog
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [198.108.1.26]
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: IPNOTINMX, LOCALFILTER, COUNTRY [-9]
X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is -9.
X-Country-Chain: UNITED KINGDOM-UNITED STATES-destination
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


If you currently use the SBL by querying the master zone sbl.spamhaus.org
then you can ignore this message.

If you are using the SBL via 3rd party composite DNSBLs and not directly
from sbl.spamhaus.org, then please read this as the following change
affects your DNSBL setup.

For a long time the SBL has been available either directly from Spamhaus
(as sbl.spamhaus.org) or via 3rd party composite zones such as
relays.osirusoft.com (as spamhaus.relays.osirusoft.com) and
blackholes.easynet.nl which import SBL data from Spamhaus. This
distribution is now changing. In order to better manage SBL logistics,
DNSBL zone and query traffic, from Monday 11 August 2003 the SBL should
only be available from sbl.spamhaus.org.

The fact the SBL was available from multiple DNSBLs was causing some
confusion, plus other small factors (such as the different zones having
different build times - which for example meant that we'd tell someone an
IP had been removed, but they'd contact us a few hours later to say it was
still blocked), plus the likely emergence of further composite lists which
may add confusion, meant that it was time to make a change now rather than
in a year or two.

So, if you are not using sbl.spamhaus.org but would like to continue using
the SBL, please add sbl.spamhaus.org to your mail server's DNSBL list.

--
   Steve Linford
   The Spamhaus Project
   http://www.spamhaus.org
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Navarre
 In my experience, for HOTMAIL.COM in particular I've never seen a message
 sent through a non-Hotmail server.  I think you might have a configuration
 problem if you are seeing tons of legitimate e-mail from non Hotmail
 servers.  Especially since it's a web-based e-mail client I wouldn't think
 they could use anything but Microsoft owned, e.g. hotmail.com, msn.com,
 servers.

I'm glad I posted on this as I am realizing that I am not understanding exactly what 
is going on.
When I had the spamdomains test set at 2/3s of the hold weight, I would find 4 or 5 
legitimate
messages a day held, with spamdomains putting each message over the top.

A quick look in my logs shows that 4 or 5 messages a day is a tiny percentage compared 
to the number
of spammy messages that fail spamdomains.

The problem is that these 4 or 5 messages a day are too many for me. It seems somebody 
is on my case
whenever there is a false positive.

I realize now that yahoo.com was probably a bad example, although I am sure that I 
have seen it
happen. Perhaps Sheldon's explanation is correct.

The bottom line is that I think I need to pay better attention to those false 
positives and see if I
can figure out more about them.

Thanks for the feedback,

Paul Navarre

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Geiser
Hey, Paul, et.al.,
My current SPAMDOMAINS has a weight of 10.  The hold weights on most of my
domains is well below 10 so almost every message failing SPAMDOMAINS is
held.  My current SD.TXT file has 118 lines in it.  I'll see maybe 1 legit
e-mail caught by SPAMDOMAINS for every 1000 messages, i.e. a message being
sent from a spam domain through an alternate.  So far I've been able to
tweak SD.TXT and add an alias to deal with those.

In my experience, for HOTMAIL.COM in particular I've never seen a message
sent through a non-Hotmail server.  I think you might have a configuration
problem if you are seeing tons of legitimate e-mail from non Hotmail
servers.  Especially since it's a web-based e-mail client I wouldn't think
they could use anything but Microsoft owned, e.g. hotmail.com, msn.com,
servers.

Later,
Dan

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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians


 I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I
have had to give this
 test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from
spam domain addresses, but
 sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email
from hotmail but where the
 sender sent it presumably through their work server.

 That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do
use it. I just have to
 give it very little weight.

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[Declude.JunkMail] I am kinda confused.

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Fouarge
I keep getting spam mails that should be caught.

Here are the spam tests it fails.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: DSBL, SPAMCOP, EASYNET-DNSBL, EASYNET-PROXIES,
BLITZEDALL, BASE64, HELOBOGUS, MAILFROM, IPNOTINMX, ROUTING, LONGSUBJECT,
BLACKLIST, NOLEGITCONTENT, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT12, WEIGHT15, WEIGHT20 [85]

The emails are kind of weird.  The goto a postmaster alias on a different
domain, then goto our abuse alias, then finally goes to two people, me and
another person.



I have a personalized .junkmail file that says:
WEIGHT10 MAILBOX Spam 
WEIGHT12 MAILBOX Spam
WEIGHT15 MAILBOX Spam
WEIGHT20 MAILBOX Spam

While the other person that recieves the email has a .junkmail file that
says:
WEIGHT10 SUBJECT [SPAM 10] 
WEIGHT12 SUBJECT [SPAM 12] 
WEIGHT15 SUBJECT [SPAM 15] 
WEIGHT20 SUBJECT [SPAM 20]

Thanks for your help.
Nathan Fouarge

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Link obfuscation in e-mail body

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

Will Declude see viphosts.net in the below obfuscated URL, when it is
in the body of the e-mail?
A 
Href=http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]#105;p#104;o#115;t#115;.net/cws.htm?jid=32022 
title=GKjBK
No, it will not.  This is something that we plan to add support for at some 
point, though.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ip4r test

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there a way to have an ip4r test match on several specific matchstring
values?
No, there is not.  You would need to define one test for each matching value.

I don't want to make a rule for each string I want to match, as
this would do a DNS lookup for each string test.
Actually, with v1.75, only one lookup will be performed, even if there are 
multiple tests defined.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread paul
 In almost all cases, this is a situation where someone thought it would be
 cool to tweak a setting that they weren't familiar with (Gee, Split
 attachments into multiple E-mails probably will make my E-mail faster!,
 they think).

Heh, in our case it would be Hey, good way to get your message deleted. =)
I've been deleting the Vulnerabilities, and more than 95% have all been
SPAM, only 1 person I've spoken with to correct this problem ever
complained, and as Scott mentioned, he thought it was to help speed up
delivery. I just explained that ANY potential threat to our users is taken
seriously, and we'll not risk the whole for someone too lazy to fix their
mail. He fixed his problem. =)

What about the rest on the list? Do you delete vulnerabilities?

Paul


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test No Messages

2003-08-14 Thread Charles Frolick
I just finished getting all the latest updates, service packs and
patches on my servers last week (spent a couple days double checking and
catching what auto update doesn't show).  I believe they all had that
patch already, but could have been bad.  

I have been considering putting filters on all my access servers (I'm an
ISP) to kill anything in our out for the commonly exploited windows
ports (135, 139, etc.) to protect my users, and the internet.  My
concern is, that it might break some other type of functionality for
users. Ayone have any thoughts?

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Test No Messages


 Too many people dealing with the msblast virus to complain about
getting
 spam...  :)

Isn't THAT the truth sheesh.

And what's even funnier, is the # of machines I've cleaned that have HAD
the
update sitting, waiting to be installed ARGH!

What's updates ready to install mean?

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS not working

2003-08-14 Thread Thomas Kishel
Andrew,

 I think you should start by turning off the Disable insertion of InterScan
 Received: header when processing messages.  This is on the Advanced
 Options of the GUI, or in the intscan.ini in the [EMail-Scan] section by
 setting DisabledReceivedHeader=no.

That is not available in the Unix version of VirusWall that we are using.

InterScan v3.8 for UNIX Version Information :
Scan Engine: 5.600-1011
Pattern Number: 600
SMTP version: 3.8-Build_1080
FTP version: 3.8-Build_1080
HTTP version: 3.8-Build_1080

 Then put in an IPBYPASS for that IP, which you say is 10.0.0.14

That is already configured as such.

 And FWIW, the Trend Micro InterScan VirusWall SMTP module does not gateway
 the TCP connection.  It is a normal mail relay. It behaves as a normal MTA,
 receiving the entire message and committing it to disk before it scans the
 message for a virus.  The confusing bit is that it happens to have a feature
 that it can happily forward mail to any port you specify (instead of just
 tcp/25), which is a convenience for many who want to run the VirusWall on
 the same box as their usual MTA.

That is true of VirusWall NT (which we used to implement), but is not true of
VirusWall Linux. When you telnet to VirusWall Linux, you recieve the SMTP
greeting from IMail. If IMail is not running, you cannot establish a connection
to VirusWall Unix.

-- 

Thomas Kishel, Department Head - Systems
Larson Texts, Inc.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Jeff Pereira
I had the same thing with emails from Hotjobs and Monster.com.

Because they all have the same basic subject line I chose to whitelist them.

JP
- Original Message -
From: Sheldon Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians


 I searched but with so many emails regarding SPAMDOMAINS I could not find
 the answer.

 I know it was discussed a few weeks ago about email coming from Ebay and
 legit greeting card sites that use the senders email address. Email from
 domains in the SD get bounced.

 Any ideas?


 Sheldon


 Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com
 Ten Forward Communications   360-457-9023
 Nationwide access, neighborhood support!

 Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting spam...

2003-08-14 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Thanks, Kami.  I've started a new section in one of my JunkMail Pro text
filter files called Phishing for similar attempts to garner e-mail
addresses and credit cards numbers.

Andrew 8)

-Original Message-
From: Kami Razvan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Interesting spam...


Hi;
I just saw a spam that I think we all need to block... 

=

Important notice


We have just charged your credit card for money laundry service in amount of
$234.65 (because you are either child pornography webmaster or deal with
dirty money, which require us to layndry them and then send to your checking
account). 
If you feel this transaction was made by our mistake, please press No.
If you confirm this transaction, please press Yes and fill in the form
below.

Enter your credit card number here: 

Enter your credit card expiration date:
 
  
Contacts: 
Phone: +5982 902 5627 
Fax: +5982 902 3114 
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ICQ: 156746629 

==

It should be interesting to see variations of this ..

Regards,
Kami
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RE : [Declude.JunkMail] RBL Question

2003-08-14 Thread mail-list
Hi,

Wich are the most effichient test that declude can check and have high
rate of spam ?

Also what do you think about combining declude power and Imail rules for
keyword to check all the e-maisl that declude detected ( weight  0 ).
For eg a suspecious mail with a subject Viagra is a 99.99% spam ? The
objective is to avoid FP!!

Also what do you think about combining declude + rules + Imail antispam
to get the best efficiency. I'm actually trying to reach 80 % and have
very very incredible FP rate ( less than 0.5 is my objective ).

Also I had actually activate DELETE instruction for weight  25. I had
run declude for mounths and very rarely so a FP getting so bad weight.

Thanks for your help.

Mehdi Blagui

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[Declude.JunkMail] Transient Failure???

2003-08-14 Thread Terry Parks
Off topic, maybe...
We are seeing the error Persistent Transient Failure on email returned to
other domains trying to email our user accounts. This is most frequently
with email from the domain worldnet.att.net. Just what is this failure?

Terry


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Navarre
I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I have had to 
give this
test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from spam domain 
addresses, but
sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email from hotmail 
but where the
sender sent it presumably through their work server.

That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do use it. I 
just have to
give it very little weight.

Paul Navarre

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[Declude.JunkMail] What's a q*.gmd spool file?

2003-08-14 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Some spam made it through our Imail+JunkMail gateway last night, and I was
wondering how it did it, because there were NO headers added by JunkMail
Pro.

According to my sys0806.txt logfile, the message was received by IMail, then
it was later delivered to my internal mail server.

I found a few messages like this, all of which were received, then the IMail
smtpd service was administratively stopped and started, and when the
messages were delivered inbound, they had a .GMD extension instead of .SMD

I didn't find any mention of this in either the Mail Archives or the
Ipswitch IMail support archive.

I'm running Declude JunkMail v1.65 on IMail v7.13

Andrew 8)

Excerpted sys0806.txt is in the small text attachment.


08:06 17:10 SMTPD(007B014E) [10.192.99.216] connect 64.156.222.31 port 40726
08:06 17:10 SMTPD(007B014E) [64.156.222.31] HELO mail31.webhostads.com

08:06 17:10 SMTPD(007B014E) [64.156.222.31] MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
08:06 17:10 SMTPD(007B014E) [64.156.222.31] RCPT TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
08:06 17:10 SMTPD(007B014E) [64.156.222.31] D:\IMail\spool\D98e2007b014e333d.SMD 5007

08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) D:\IMail\spool\Q98e2007b014e333d.GMD
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) processing D:\IMail\spool\Q98e2007b014e333d.GMD
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) Trying bentall.com (0)
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) Connect bentall.com [10.192.0.215:25] (1)
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 220 BT4Exch1.bentall.com InterScan VirusWall NT ESMTP 3.53 
(build 1563) ready at Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:17:10 -0700
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) EHLO mail.bentall.com
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 250-BT4Exch1.bentall.com supports the following ESMTP 
extensions:
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 250 SIZE 0
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender Ok
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recipient Ok
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) DATA
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 354 BT4Exch1.bentall.com: Send data now.  Terminate with 
.
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) .
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 250 BT4Exch1.bentall.com: Message accepted for delivery
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) rdeliver bentall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1) [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 4972
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) QUIT
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) 221 BT4Exch1.bentall.com closing connection. Goodbye!
08:06 20:17 SMTP-(0384) finished D:\IMail\spool\Q98e2007b014e333d.GMD status=1


[Declude.JunkMail] ip4r test

2003-08-14 Thread Rob Salmond
Is there a way to have an ip4r test match on several specific matchstring
values?  I don't want to make a rule for each string I want to match, as
this would do a DNS lookup for each string test.

ie, could I do something like:

SPEWSip4rspews.relays.osirusoft.com127.0.0.2,127.0.0.3,127.0.0.9
60

Rob Salmond
Ontario Die Company
(519)-576-8950 ext. 132


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread Matt Robertson
I've always wondered about this.  So how do you desensitize Outlook?
i.e. tell it not to break apart attachments as John posted?


 Matt Robertson   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Test No Messages

2003-08-14 Thread Kevin Bilbee
I have not received a message from the list in about 15 hours. This is a
test message

Kevin Bilbee
Network Administrator
Standard Abrasives, Inc.

Changing the way industry works.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Just confirming syntax for whitelist.

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is this correct for my global.cfg?

WHITELISTIP ipfile  C:\IMail\Declude\whiteip.txtx 
-99 0
That will work fine, and will subtract 99 points from the weight of any 
E-mail coming from an IP listed in the whiteip.txt file.  The name 
WHITELISTIP may cause confusion down the line (as it will work 
differently than the WHITELIST IP option), though.

And for the syntax for the whiteip.txt file will this work?
63.126.244.0/24
That will work fine.  Or for an individual IP, you could use 63.126.244.25.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] imail upgrade

2003-08-14 Thread Kevin Bilbee
If you install 8.01 the default settings are to place a header only. I did
the upgrade using the 8.01 installer.

If you do not have it contact IPSwitch and they will give you a link and
passowrd.

The install went smooth. and imail did not act on any email except for
placing the header. I still went to the spam section for our ip and turned
off all checking.

I have not had time to test and read up on imails spam filtering.

Kevin Bilbee


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Serge
 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:11 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] imail upgrade


 hi scott
 i put this question on imail forum but did not get the answer
 i wan to upgrade from 7.15 to 8, but i do not want it to interferer with
 junkmail
 is there   any default setting in 8 that will cause it to hold/delete spam
 ?
 i rememember many users having problems with default  settings, but when I
 installed on a test server, no v8 action defaulted to hold/delete
 maybe ipswitch changed all defaults meanwhile?

 any help appreciated

 TIA


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] re: Ideas

2003-08-14 Thread Charles Frolick
This probably won't be your only reply, but, the netblock is
69.60.0.0/24 (256 addresses), they only have a standard Class C
allocation. I have 9 of them, if you can prove to your upstream provider
the need, the good ones will give them to you, or many others will let
you pay a one time setup for the routing.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:02 PM
To: JunkMail Declude
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] re: Ideas


This ISP or what ever they are send us a lot of spam I would not usually
block this many IP addresses but?

What do you all think?


Ultimate Offers LLC. NET-69-60-0-0-24 (NET-69-60-0-0-2)
  69.60.0.0 - 69.60.0.2


How did they get such a large block of IP Addresses I have randomly
picked address in this block and they all come up in spam databases.

69.60.0.0/20 is listed in SBL.


Kevin Bilbee
Network Administrator
Standard Abrasives, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(805) 520-5800 x7332

Changing the way industry works.

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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] strange DNS failures

2003-08-14 Thread Omar K.
Also, to eliminate options of what is causing the problem, I would suggest
setting a different DNS server in the global.cfg and see if the error still
occurs.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:35 PM
To: R. Scott Perry
Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] strange DNS failures


 That is unusual.  Declude JunkMail should only fail the REVDNS test if it
 does get an answer from the DNS server, which says the reverse DNS entry 
 does not exist (if there is a timeout, it should not fail the test).

I agree .. and the DNS / Imail / Declude all reside on the same
machine, so I would doubt if there were any type of timeouts getting
the information.

 If this happens often, you could use the DEBUG mode (LOGLEVEL DEBUG),
 which records more details about the reverse DNS lookup in the log file.

I'll have to keep that in mind.  It only seems to happen once or twice
a day if that ... very erratic.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] strange DNS failures

2003-08-14 Thread Omar K.
Could it be a timeout issue because of some network failure?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] strange DNS failures


First the backround ... Imail 8.01, Declude 1.75i2, WinXP
Professional, Simple DNS 3.20.02

IN the past week, I've noticed the occasional REVDNS and SPAMDOMAINS
failures ... when I look, the tests are positive because Declude is
not getting a reverse DNS PTR record on the IP, and fails the test
thinking the IP doesn't have a PTR record.

But when I go to simple DNS, and look in the cache, the IP and PTR
record are there ... they are being lookup.

I then go to a workstation away from the Imail server, point to the
DNS address, do a PTR lookup on the record, and the correct PTR record
is returned.   So it appears that Simple DNS is looking up the PTR
records correctly, and will respond to an inquiry about them.

As I said, it is not always happening ... noticed two false lookups
this afternoon, but records were present.

To possibly help the issue, I put the DNS statement into Junkmail
global.cfg file so Junkmail has no excuse not to find the DNS server.

Any other ideas?

David

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[Declude.JunkMail] GSC Files

2003-08-14 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Declude scnas GSC files. Is there an option to have them not be scanned.

I have a situation where outlook users will log onto web mail and reply to a
message they will also bcc them selves so they will get a copy sent to
outlook. The messages are being caught by the mail from test and being held
on the server.

Is there a way to stop this from happening???


When will declude support whitlising authenticated users?


Kevin Bilbee


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[Declude.JunkMail] capturing one email address

2003-08-14 Thread David Dodell
I have an email address that belongs to a domain we gate for that we
would like to capture the email.

Is there a way I could use Declude Junkmail to capture that specific
email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to attach it to me so we could look at
it?

David

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[Declude.JunkMail] Suggestions for blocking certain sender-adresses for a single virt.Host

2003-08-14 Thread Markus Gufler

We have hundreds of virt. hosts on our Imail server and use Declude
Virus and Junkmail Pro.
At the moment we use on single $default$.junkmail file with the same
settings for all hosts.

Now a customer asked us if we can block mails from certain sender
addresses directed to his own virt.host.

What's the best way to do this?
Imail? JM Blacklist? Separate JM Action file?

Markus





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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist file?

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

Recently, I attempted to add a WHITELIST entry to the Global.cfg, but
accidently mistyped whitelist.
This appeared to cause the entire .cfg file to stop working and effectively
let all mail through unfiltered.
That is quite unusual -- I'm not sure how a typo like that could prevent 
Declude JunkMail from working.  If it sees a line WHITLIST IP 192.0.2.25, 
it would think that you are defining a test named WHITLIST, and just add 
a warning to the log file.

To prevent this in the future, I was wondering if there's a way to reference
a separate whitelist sender file in Global.cfg, similar to how a sender
blacklist file can be configured.
This can be done with the new WHITELISTFILE option in 1.75 -- it isn't 
listed in the manual yet (soon!), but searching the Declude JunkMail 
mailing list archives for WHITELISTFILE should bring up references to it.

Also, is there any updates in the works to prevent one bad config line from
wrecking the system?
Yes -- we've been doing that for years.  :)

If you can send me the config file (or line) that was causing this problem, 
we can investigate to see why it happened.  If you don't have it anymore, 
unfortunately there isn't much that we can do.

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Process Tree

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Forsyth
Can someone give me the order(IMAIL/DECLUDE JM/DECLUDE VIRUS) in which an
email is processed?

I have Imail rules which 'I think' are setup properly:

B~(name=.*\.pif\s|name=.*\.exe\s|name=.*\.lnk\s):NUL
B~(begin 6.*\.pif\s|begin 6.*\.exe\s|begin 6.*\.lnk\s):NUL


but I still see these emails in the Virus directory.  Should'nt an email
that get routed to NUL never get to declude?

TIA

Robert

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[Declude.JunkMail] Filtering (Pro version)

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
On the Filtering (Pro version) - create your own filters, similar to the
filters in IMail,

1. Is there a space character like iMail filters (/s)
   For example:
   BODY  3  CONTAINS  /ssex/s

2. Realistically, how many rules can you put in a filter file.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPNOTINMX

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

I get a ton of spam that is marked with the IPNOTINMX.  What is the best way
to block this?
The best way is NOT to block it.  The IPNOTINMX test will indeed catch a 
lot of spam, but it will also catch a lot of legitimate E-mail.  Normally, 
it should be used to help legitimate E-mail (with the test definition 
ending in 0 -3 or something similar).

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] DLAnalyzer Reporting Tool

2003-08-14 Thread support
Yesterday we received a lot of positive feedback on the reporting
tool.  We have since released a new beta incorporating in some of the
suggestions we have received.  In addition to fixing a few issues
related to the non-rfc compliant email that was being generated.

There are going to be a lot of beta's released over the next couple
weeks due to the suggestions we have been receiving.  If you would
like to be on a notification list when new beta's are released let us
know.

Darrell
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS/mail guru?

2003-08-14 Thread Kevin Bilbee
They need a DNS 'A' record for their mail servers HELO line which you did
not include. And they need to setup a Reverse DNS entry for 209.83.72.234.

They need to have whom ever is hosting there DNS about a reverse dns entry,
a quick check on DNS stuff shows the ip belonging to Silver Star Industries
NLG-RAD-72-232 (NET-209-83-72-232-1) 209.83.72.232 - 209.83.72.239

I would start with their contact at their ISP or their IT person to findout
who controls the DNS records and have them fix the issues.

Here is additional info about Siver Star,

CustName:   Silver Star Industries
Address:122 HYW 25 NE
City:   Brainerd
StateProv:  MN
PostalCode: 56401
Country:US
RegDate:1999-06-08
Updated:1999-06-08

NetRange:   209.83.72.232 - 209.83.72.239
CIDR:   209.83.72.232/29
NetName:NLG-RAD-72-232
NetHandle:  NET-209-83-72-232-1
Parent: NET-209-83-0-0-1
NetType:Reassigned
Comment:
RegDate:1999-06-08
Updated:1999-06-08

TechHandle: NA16-ORG-ARIN
TechName:   Norlight Telecommunications, Inc.
TechPhone:  +1-262-792-9700
TechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OrgAbuseHandle: NAA4-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:   Norlight Abuse account
OrgAbusePhone:  +1-800-876-7842
OrgAbuseEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OrgNOCHandle: NMC2-ARIN
OrgNOCName:   Network Management Center
OrgNOCPhone:  +1-800-876-7842
OrgNOCEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OrgTechHandle: HR201-ARIN
OrgTechName:   Ryu, Hyunseog
OrgTechPhone:  +1-262-792-7965
OrgTechEmail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harlan Young
 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:41 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS/mail guru?


 We host a web site for a client who hosts and runs their own mail server.
 Their mail to me fails as following:

 X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 209.83.72.234
 with no reverse DNS entry.
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [209.83.72.234]
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
 spam.
 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: HELOBOGUS, IPNOTINMX, REVDNS, WEIGHT10 [10]

 They would like to set their server up properly.  Who can I steer them to?

 Thanks,
 Harlan Young
 I Like It Like That, Inc.
 Pequot Lakes, MN 56472

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Geiser
What is the LA?

- Original Message - 
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians


Sending messages from a hotmail address but not through a hotmail server may
not be allowed under the LA.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Navarre
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:13 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

 I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I
have
 had to give this
 test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from
spam domain
 addresses, but
 sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email
from
 hotmail but where the
 sender sent it presumably through their work server.

 That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do
use it. I
 just have to
 give it very little weight.

 Paul Navarre

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS not working

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

I am using the HOP 1 setting and recently tried to use the IPBYPASS and
found it did not work for me either.  Declude was still using the servers I
had listed as bypass for its tests.
I have two separate internet connections with a NAV SMTP Gateway on each
forwarding to IMail.  I entered an ipbypass for each of the servers.  HOP 1
had been working so when I saw IPBYPASS was messing up my tests I just went
back to HOP 1 and didn't think much about it.
Normally, we recommend using HOP 0 (the default setting), and using 
IPBYPASS lines for each backup/gateway.  The HOP setting should only be 
used in cases where there will *always* be one or more hops before the 
IMail server (for example, if you have 2 gateways, and the MX record points 
to those 2 gateways, and not the IMail server, *and* nobody will connect 
directly to the IMail server to send outgoing E-mail).

The HOP setting will often cause confusion.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Sheldon Koehler
I searched but with so many emails regarding SPAMDOMAINS I could not find
the answer.

I know it was discussed a few weeks ago about email coming from Ebay and
legit greeting card sites that use the senders email address. Email from
domains in the SD get bounced.

Any ideas?


Sheldon


Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com
Ten Forward Communications   360-457-9023
Nationwide access, neighborhood support!

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time
to pause and reflect. Mark Twain


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] What's a q*.gmd spool file?

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

I found a few messages like this, all of which were received, then the IMail
smtpd service was administratively stopped and started, and when the
messages were delivered inbound, they had a .GMD extension instead of .SMD
I didn't find any mention of this in either the Mail Archives or the
Ipswitch IMail support archive.
The only reference I could find to a .GMD file didn't have any information 
about it.  This would probably be best asked on the IMail Forum.  My guess 
is that it is part of a feature recently added to IMail.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DNS/mail guru?

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

We host a web site for a client who hosts and runs their own mail server.
Their mail to me fails as following:
X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 209.83.72.234
with no reverse DNS entry.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [209.83.72.234]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: HELOBOGUS, IPNOTINMX, REVDNS, WEIGHT10 [10]
They would like to set their server up properly.  Who can I steer them to?
There are two problems here.  The first is that the IP address of their 
mailserver (at 209.83.72.234) is missing a reverse DNS entry (see 
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=209.83.72.234 -- the norlight.net 
nameservers need to have the reverse DNS entry listed).

The second problem is that their mailserver is identifying itself 
improperly.  Without the Received: header that IMail added (or the HELO 
or EHLO log file entry), I can't say what name their mailserver is 
claiming to be.  However, whatever name it is does not exist in DNS (there 
needs to be either an MX or A record for it).

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[Declude.JunkMail] RBL Question

2003-08-14 Thread Keith Johnson








I saw the below message on
the forum:



-BEGIN QUOTE---

For a long time the SBL has
been available either directly from Spamhaus (as sbl.spamhaus.org) or via
3rd party composite zones such as relays.osirusoft.com (as
spamhaus.relays.osirusoft.com) and blackholes.easynet.nl which import SBL
data from Spamhaus. This distribution is now changing. In order to better
manage SBL logistics, DNSBL zone and query traffic, from Monday
 11 August 2003 the SBL should only be
available from sbl.spamhaus.org.  The fact the SBL was available from
multiple DNSBLs was causing some confusion, plus other small factors (such
as the different zones having different build times - which for example
meant that we'd tell someone an IP had been removed, but they'd contact us
a few hours later to say it was still blocked), plus the likely emergence
of further composite lists which may add confusion, meant that it was time
to make a change now rather than in a year or two.  So, if you
are not using sbl.spamhaus.org but would like to continue using the SBL,
please add sbl.spamhaus.org to your mail server's DNSBL list. 

---END QUOTE



I use OSSOFT and OSSRC in my global file, what should I
alter to pickup just the sbl.spamhaus.org database? Thanks for the aid.



Keith Johnson








RE : [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS Question

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

Do you know also how to fix too that with ASPMAil ?
Upgrading ASPMail to the latest version should take care of the problem.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is your E-mail blocked by AOL?

2003-08-14 Thread Mark [Support]
Wednesday, August 13, 2003, 9:12:05 PM, you wrote:

RSP I'm trying to gather some information about small businesses whose E-mail 
RSP is being blocked by AOL (as well as information on small businesses using 
RSP cable or DSL that are *not* being blocked).

RSP If your E-mail is being blocked by AOL (or you are not being blocked by 
RSP AOL, and use cable or DSL), could you please E-mail me (off-list, to 
RSP [EMAIL PROTECTED])?  If possible, I would be interested in knowing:

Hi Scott.  We have one client who is getting a user unknown error.

Here is the fun part.  I can send an email from one machine with one email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] address and it's working fine, we can contact the person
no problem.  I can go to another machine on the same network, use a different
email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] and email the same person and it gets bounced
with a user unknown error.

High speed cable modem connection to the net on both machine, Outlook 2000 same
version on both machines.

I contacted AOL and here was the response:
---
Hello! My name is Rye from America Online Technical Department.

I understand you have concern about e-mail returned to you with an error message from 
America Online (AOL).

I would like to apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you.

ABOUT E-MAIL RETURNED WITH ERROR MESSAGES
The message is an automated response from AOL. The message means an intended recipient 
of the e-mail is a Screen Name that
does not exist: either the account is closed, or the Screen Name is misspelled or 
there might have been system difficulties.

TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE, PLEASE REFER TO THE INFORMATION BELOW:

AOL allows members the option to block incoming e-mail with the Mail Controls feature. 
It is possible that the AOL member
has blocked their mailbox from receiving Internet e-mail.

America Online values the privacy of all AOL members. AOL members can select the type 
of e-mail they receive. If you feel
your e-mail address may have been blocked in error, please contact the recipient 
through other means to resolve the issue.

For more information, please visit the AOL Postmaster Web site:

http://members.aol.com/postmaster

Please feel free to write back for any inquiries, comments or suggestions and I will 
be more than happy to assist you.

Have a great day and take care! :-)


I gave them the same info I just told you.  Glad I am not an AOL customer  :-)

-- 
Cheers
Mark

ProNet
22A Colborne Street West
Orillia, Ontario
L3V 2Y3
ph: [705] 329-3949
fx: [705] 327-9880

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Geiser
Hi, Paul,
I don't delete on any one test.  But currently any e-mail messages that have
an overall weight of 50 get deleted automatically.  This is based on the
default scoring system for DJM and a few 10 point tests of my own.  I've
never seen a legit message with a weight that high.  I've been doing more
analysis and I'm hoping within 2 weeks to have my delete weight pushed down
to 40.

Dan

- Original Message - 
From: paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)


  In almost all cases, this is a situation where someone thought it would
be
  cool to tweak a setting that they weren't familiar with (Gee, Split
  attachments into multiple E-mails probably will make my E-mail
faster!,
  they think).

 Heh, in our case it would be Hey, good way to get your message deleted.
=)
 I've been deleting the Vulnerabilities, and more than 95% have all been
 SPAM, only 1 person I've spoken with to correct this problem ever
 complained, and as Scott mentioned, he thought it was to help speed up
 delivery. I just explained that ANY potential threat to our users is taken
 seriously, and we'll not risk the whole for someone too lazy to fix their
 mail. He fixed his problem. =)

 What about the rest on the list? Do you delete vulnerabilities?

 Paul


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] RPC Vulnerability

2003-08-14 Thread Kevin Bilbee
I have noticed a problem with the symantec instructions. It does not have a
procedure for protecting the machine while doing the critical updates and
the updates for the virus sigs!

When the user reconnects to the internet they get re-infected before being
able to complete the updates.

A few suggestions.

1. If not XP or there is not a firewall available on the machine.
a. Install a firewall package on the machine to block port 139.
b. Do the updates behind a router so the machine will not get
re-infected
2. If XP turn on the Internet Connection Firewall feature and add a block
for port 139

Once this is complete then the user can continue to update their machine
without getting re-infected.


Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terry Parks
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:04 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] RPC Vulnerability


 This might be of use:

  Here is a link to the full page with this information on it:
 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet
 /security/
 bulletin/MS03-026.asp


 Subject:

  Fix for the RPC and NT Authority Shutdown

 Body:

 This is the Fix for the NT Authority Shutdown, please follow the link that
 corresponds with your operating system.

 -Windows 2000

 http://microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=C8B8A846-F541
 -4C15-8C9F
 -220354449117displaylang=en

 Windows XP 32 bit Edition

 http://microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=2354406C-C5B6
 -44AC-9532
 -3DE40F69C074displaylang=en

 Terry


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Farris
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:47 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] RPC Vulnerability

 Does anyone know of a fix once a customer is experiecing this problem and
 how are they getting it...we have updated our F-Prot and are locking down
 our routers now..

 The message says RPC terminated unexpectedly and is shutting down
 Windows in
 60 seconds..

 Richard Farris
 Ethixs Online
 1.800.548.3877
 - Original Message -
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:58 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] GSC Files


 
-Original Message-
  
  Any idea when the next release will be availabel???
 
  No idea at this point.  However, as soon as the feature is
 added, we will
  have an interim release for people who need the feature as soon as
 possible.
 
  -Scott
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread sbsi lists
Hi Matt,

MR So, since I can't find this setting in Outlook XP I'm going to assume
MR its due to an old copy of Outlook 97 or somesuch.  Or am I wrong about
MR that?

well,  I  didn't  see it in XP version (outlook 2002) but I could have
missed  it  I  guess.   But,  I did see it in Outlook 2000... so, it's
there and maybe in earlier versions.

-j

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread Matt Robertson
Interesting.  I've been using email since FidoNet but never messed with
that.  Ignorance truly is bliss :D

So, since I can't find this setting in Outlook XP I'm going to assume
its due to an old copy of Outlook 97 or somesuch.  Or am I wrong about
that?

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[Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS Question

2003-08-14 Thread Jose Gosende
Legitimate email is failing the BADHEADERS test. Do I need to
modify something on my server so this test does not fail?

Thanks

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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread Hawk
Hi,

Declude is catching all of the MS Outlook attachments due to vulnerability 
issue.  How can desensitize the scan?

Thank you.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] capturing one email address

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

I have an email address that belongs to a domain we gate for that we
would like to capture the email.
Is there a way I could use Declude Junkmail to capture that specific
email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to attach it to me so we could look at
it?
In this case, the COPYTO action could be used (if you are using the Pro 
version).  To do this, you could either create a per-user configuration 
file for the user with a line CATCHALLMAILS COPYTO [EMAIL PROTECTED].  Or, 
you could create a filter test with a line ALLRECIPS 0 CONTAINS 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (and then use MYFILTER COPYTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS not working

2003-08-14 Thread Thomas Kishel
Scott,

 The question here is What do you want IPBYPASS to do?

We are using TrendMicro's VirusWall in front of our IMail server. It's SMTP
service appears to gateway a tcp connection between the sending and receiving
mail servers. Therefore, IMail sees incoming connections with the sending server
representing itself with its configured host name but with the IP address of the
gateway. I have configured Declude (1.75) to IPBYPASS that address, but the
SPAMDOMAINS test always fails.

Are my expectations unrealistic considering my environment,
or is SPAMDOMAINS not honoring IPBYPASS?

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Topology:

Internet -
Firewall [(NAT) 208.20.231.2 - 10.0.0.2] -
TrendMicro VirusWall [10.0.0.14] -
Declude-IMail [10.0.0.4]

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Headers:

Received:
from web80703.mail.yahoo.com [10.0.0.14]
by email.meridiancg.com (SMTPD32-8.00) id AD711A3011C;
Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:06:57 -0400
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received:
from [208.20.231.2]
by web80703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;
Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:09:53 PDT
Date:
Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
From:
Thomas Kishel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
Test

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Declude Log:

08/06/2003 09:06:59 Qfd7101a3011ca7cd
Msg failed SPAMDOMAINS (Spamdomain 'yahoo.com' found:
Address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent from invalid .).
Action=LOG.

08/06/2003 09:06:59 Qfd7101a3011ca7cd
Subject: Test

08/06/2003 09:06:59 Qfd7101a3011ca7cd
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  IP: 10.0.0.14 ID:

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IMail Log:

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.4] connect 10.0.0.14 port 42167

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.14] HELO web80703.mail.yahoo.com

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.14] MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

SMTPD (01A3011C) [10.0.0.14] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist file?

2003-08-14 Thread Adrian Titei
Just run

declude -diag

Cheers,
Adrian


Agid, Corby wrote:
 
 Indeed I also had some blank whitelist from lines to make it easier to cut
 and paste new entries, without retyping another entry.  I cleaned those out
 at the same time that I fixed the misspelled line.
 
 I searched through the archives for the WHITELISTFILE and found many
 postings about the option, but so far haven't found one that shows the
 syntax.  Perhaps it's time for a manual entry:)
 
 I'll get the latest version, which I thought I had.  How to tell which
 version is currently running?
 
 C
 
 -Original Message-
 From: R. Scott Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:52 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist file?
 
 Below is a snippet from the log file from that day.  I had attempted to
 whilelist adp.com.  Every incoming message had the same result.
 
 07/26/2003 00:10:39 Q2969017b00f264ed E-mail whitelisted - automatically
 passing all spam tests []
 
 Ah -- I see what happened.  It looks like you had a line such as WHITELIST
 IP or WHITELIST FROM, that didn't contain any information to whitelist
 on.  v1.75 takes care of this (previous versions would do as they were
 told, and would whitelist any E-mails with  appearing in the IP, or 
 appearing in the return address -- which would end up whitelisting all
 E-mail).
 
 -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
SKIPIFVIRUSNAMEDOESNOTHAVE  Vulnerability
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: %ALLRECIPS%,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: We blocked an e-mail sent to you!

Delivery blocked: %ALLRECIPS%

The mail server for %LOCALHOST% scans each e-mail for Viruses, SPAM (Junk
Mail) and e-mail vulnerabilities.

We caught an e-mail addressed to you that is formatted with %VIRUSNAME%, and
have quarantined it for your protection.

If you recognize the below information as a valid e-mail that you want or
should have received, please let us know. Otherwise, the e-mail will be
deleted after 3 days.

FROM: %MAILFROM%
TO: %ALLRECIPS%
SUBJECT: %SUBJECT%
Remote IP: %REMOTEIP%

DATE: %DATE% @ %TIME%

SPOOL FILE: %QUEUENAME%

Headers of the e-mail in question:

%HEADERS%

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:31 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)
 
 John.
 
 Would you mind sharing the vulnerability.eml message.
 
 Thanks
 - Original Message -
 From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:31 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)
 
 
 I have Declude send out a vulnerablility.eml message. If the receiver
 recognizes it, he replies and I put the files back into the spool folder
 letting them know to have the sender fix the problem.
 
 John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
 Engineer/Consultant
 eServices For You
 www.eservicesforyou.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul
  Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:53 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)
 
   In almost all cases, this is a situation where someone thought it
would
 be
   cool to tweak a setting that they weren't familiar with (Gee, Split
   attachments into multiple E-mails probably will make my E-mail
 faster!,
   they think).
 
  Heh, in our case it would be Hey, good way to get your message
deleted.
 =)
  I've been deleting the Vulnerabilities, and more than 95% have all been
  SPAM, only 1 person I've spoken with to correct this problem ever
  complained, and as Scott mentioned, he thought it was to help speed up
  delivery. I just explained that ANY potential threat to our users is
taken
  seriously, and we'll not risk the whole for someone too lazy to fix
their
  mail. He fixed his problem. =)
 
  What about the rest on the list? Do you delete vulnerabilities?
 
  Paul
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] RPC Vulnerability

2003-08-14 Thread Terry Parks
This might be of use:

 Here is a link to the full page with this information on it:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/
bulletin/MS03-026.asp


Subject:

 Fix for the RPC and NT Authority Shutdown

Body:

This is the Fix for the NT Authority Shutdown, please follow the link that
corresponds with your operating system.

-Windows 2000

http://microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=C8B8A846-F541-4C15-8C9F
-220354449117displaylang=en

Windows XP 32 bit Edition

http://microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=2354406C-C5B6-44AC-9532
-3DE40F69C074displaylang=en

Terry


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Farris
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] RPC Vulnerability

Does anyone know of a fix once a customer is experiecing this problem and
how are they getting it...we have updated our F-Prot and are locking down
our routers now..

The message says RPC terminated unexpectedly and is shutting down Windows in
60 seconds..

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.800.548.3877
- Original Message -
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] GSC Files



   -Original Message-
 
 Any idea when the next release will be availabel???

 No idea at this point.  However, as soon as the feature is added, we will
 have an interim release for people who need the feature as soon as
possible.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

Declude is catching all of the MS Outlook attachments due to vulnerability 
issue.  How can desensitize the scan?
That's Declude Virus that is doing it -- and you need to desensitize 
Outlook, not Declude Virus.  :)  We're not aware of any vulnerabilities 
that are generating false positives.

Which vulnerability is it?

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[Declude.JunkMail] Just confirming syntax for whitelist.

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Fouarge
Is this correct for my global.cfg?

WHITELISTIP ipfile  C:\IMail\Declude\whiteip.txtx
-99 0

And for the syntax for the whiteip.txt file will this work?
63.126.244.0/24

Nathan Fouarge

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and W2003

2003-08-14 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
 What do you mean AutoWhitelist?  Is this a declude product or custom
script?

I think he is referring to the add-on product for Declude JunkMail.

www.eservicesforyou.com/products/autowhite.html


John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Discrepancies in New GLOBAL.CFG

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Geiser
Hi, Philip,
What's life like in the near future?  Does everyone have a flying car yet?
That's my (not so) subtle way of saying your date/time stamp is way off.
Just thought you should know.

Take Care,
Dan

- Original Message - 
From: Phillip B. Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Discrepancies in New GLOBAL.CFG




   OSSRC is still in GLOBAL.CFG but it has been commented
 out and moved
   to the Not Commonly Used section.  Does anyone know why
 this was
   changed?  It also still seems to be a valid test and it's
 not a pay
   service so I don't understand the move.

 The reason for that is that the OSSRC test is the same as
 SPEWS, and SPEWS
 intentionally lists lots of legitimate mailservers, and makes
 it nearly
 impossible for them to get out.

 -Scott
 ---

-

Scott,

I had a problem with SPEWS a while back. But after doing a little research
on NANAE, I realized that the SPEWS strategy is to block the spammer first.
If the ISP does not do anything about the spammer, they expand the block to
include more subnets. This usually gets the ISP's attention and they boot
the spammer. Then and only then is block is removed.

Agree with it or not, it is an effective strategy.

Best Regards,

Sr.Consultant /
Phillip B. Holmes
Media Resolutions Inc.
Macromedia Alliance Partner
http://www.mediares.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
1-888-395-4678 |Ext. 101
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Test No Messages

2003-08-14 Thread paul
 Too many people dealing with the msblast virus to complain about getting
 spam...  :)

Isn't THAT the truth sheesh.

And what's even funnier, is the # of machines I've cleaned that have HAD the
update sitting, waiting to be installed ARGH!

What's updates ready to install mean?

Paul


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAM Volume

2003-08-14 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
FS Is it just me or has anyone else noticed a large increase in the volume
FS of SPAM over the last two days?

Nope, not particularly high.  Actually, it's back to normal, because we
saw a lull last week.

My poor little server suffers from a backlog during our peak hours; to
manage the contention for the CPU time, I reduced the number of connections
in IMail, which Declude obeys to restrict the number of copies that can be
running (Declude instances are the the busiest processes I have on this
box).  I dropped it a few at a time until the age of files in the overflow
directory was manageable.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Sending messages from a hotmail address but not through a hotmail server may
not be allowed under the LA.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Navarre
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:13 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
 
 I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I
have
 had to give this
 test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from
spam domain
 addresses, but
 sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email
from
 hotmail but where the
 sender sent it presumably through their work server.
 
 That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do
use it. I
 just have to
 give it very little weight.
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] RPC Vulnerability

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Fouarge
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blaster.worm.htm
l

Nathan Fouarge
Amberwave Communications
114 N Dodge
Algona, IA 50511
515-295-6900 x33
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Farris
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Does anyone know of a fix once a customer is experiecing this problem and
how are they getting it...we have updated our F-Prot and are locking down
our routers now..

The message says RPC terminated unexpectedly and is shutting down Windows in
60 seconds..

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.800.548.3877
- Original Message -
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] GSC Files



   -Original Message-
 
 Any idea when the next release will be availabel???

 No idea at this point.  However, as soon as the feature is added, we 
 will have an interim release for people who need the feature as soon 
 as
possible.

 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS not working

2003-08-14 Thread Todd - Smart Mail
I am using the HOP 1 setting and recently tried to use the IPBYPASS and
found it did not work for me either.  Declude was still using the servers I
had listed as bypass for its tests.

I have two separate internet connections with a NAV SMTP Gateway on each
forwarding to IMail.  I entered an ipbypass for each of the servers.  HOP 1
had been working so when I saw IPBYPASS was messing up my tests I just went
back to HOP 1 and didn't think much about it.

I have used IPBYPASS successfully in the past but went back to HOP 1 because
I was moving some things around  HOP was simpler.

Todd





- Original Message -
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPBYPASS not working



 We are using TrendMicro's VirusWall in front of our IMail server. It's
SMTP
 service appears to gateway a tcp connection between the sending and
receiving
 mail servers. Therefore, IMail sees incoming connections with the sending
 server
 representing itself with its configured host name but with the IP address
 of the
 gateway. I have configured Declude (1.75) to IPBYPASS that address, but
the
 SPAMDOMAINS test always fails.

 Unfortunately, it seems that VirusWall is broken (not RFC-compliant), and
 will need to be fixed.  Most likely, upgrading it will take care of the
 problem.

 Are my expectations unrealistic considering my environment,
 or is SPAMDOMAINS not honoring IPBYPASS?

 The problem is that VirusWall is spammer friendly (it anonymizes the IP
 address of the sender of the E-mail, so it is impossible to track down the
 sender, except perhaps by looking at the VirusWall log file).

 Since VirusWall doesn't record the IP that connected to it in the headers
 of the E-mail, it's impossible to know the true source.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and W2003

2003-08-14 Thread Terry Parks
Running W2003 Enterprise  Imail 7.15 with Declude 7.15i2 HJ, JM, V (all pro
versions) F-Prot. Runs like a Swiss watch (now that we figured out the bulk
of the Spool mess and added dedicated DNS servers). W2003 is Super Stable
for us. Still haven't pinpointed the remainder of the Spool issue but are
making definite progress.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kami Razvan
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and W2003

No... We have been running for several months are all run very well.

- Win 2003 Standard Edition
- IMail 8.1
- Declude JM  Virus
- AutoWhitelist
- F-Prot
- AVG

Runs smoothly...

Regards,
Kami

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:38 PM
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and W2003


Are there any issues that anyone knows about with Declude and W2003?

Thx
MB

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and W2003

2003-08-14 Thread Hawk
At 07:25 PM 8/11/2003 -0400, Kami Razvan wrote:
No... We have been running for several months are all run very well.

- Win 2003 Standard Edition
- IMail 8.1
- Declude JM  Virus
- AutoWhitelist
What do you mean AutoWhitelist?  Is this a declude product or custom script?

Thanks.

- F-Prot
- AVG
Runs smoothly...

Regards,
Kami
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Are there any issues that anyone knows about with Declude and W2003?

Thx
MB
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[Declude.JunkMail] Link obfuscation in e-mail body

2003-08-14 Thread Don Brown
Will Declude see viphosts.net in the below obfuscated URL, when it is
in the body of the e-mail?
A 
Href=http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]#105;p#104;o#115;t#115;.net/cws.htm?jid=32022 
title=GKjBK




Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net
PGP Key ID: 04C99A55  (972) 788-2364  Fax: (972) 788-5049
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering (Pro version)

2003-08-14 Thread Karen D. Oland
We are not that big yet, but are getting there on the filters. On the other
hand, our server is not as robust as the big guys (and our mail volume
would not justify upgrading).

I moved most of the blacklists (fromfile) entries into the kill list for
IMAIL, just because these seemed to catch about 1/3 of our spam emails. The
rest are run thru the filters and end up being 80% spam. One of the hazards
of the same email addresses for 8 years, I suppose.  However, setting up
free accounts elsewhere usually results in 20-30 spam per day within a few
weeks, even if the account is never given out to anyone.

I believe Kami moved most of his ip4r tests into imail also, don't know if
that helped his performance.

K

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 Hi;

 Just to give you an idea...

 We have over 20 or so filter files and most have over 1,000
 lines.. 2 of the
 filter files have about 4,000 lines in them.

 URL's found in body:  3,890 lines
 Blacklist in body:  3,458 lines
 Blacklist in header: 4,458 lines

 There is some performance degradation but the server handles it well so we
 are not concerned with it.

 Regards,
 Kami

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 On the Filtering (Pro version) - create your own filters, similar to
 the filters in IMail,
 
 1. Is there a space character like iMail filters (/s)
 For example:
 BODY  3  CONTAINS  /ssex/s

 No, there is not.

 If you have a space before the search string, it will be ignored
 (otherwise, it won't know where the search string starts).

 If you have a space after the search string, Declude JunkMail
 will look for
 it.  So BODY 3 CONTAINS sex  would look for sex  (sex with
 one space after it).

 2. Realistically, how many rules can you put in a filter file.

 Technically, you can have an unlimited number.  However, each filter line
 will use up extra CPU time (the BODY and ANYWHERE filter types
 use the most
 CPU time).  We do have people with thousands of lines in their
 filter files.

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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] strange DNS failures

2003-08-14 Thread David Dodell
Saturday, August 9, 2003, 7:12:51 PM, Omar K. wrote:

 Could it be a timeout issue because of some network failure?


I doubt it ... the DNS Server and Imail/Declude all reside on the same
machine.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] I am kinda confused.

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

I keep getting spam mails that should be caught

The emails are kind of weird.  The goto a postmaster alias on a different
domain, then goto our abuse alias, then finally goes to two people, me and
another person.
That's probably the problem.

In this case, IMail translates the first alias, so you would need the 
per-user settings to be for the abuse alias.

I have a personalized .junkmail file that says:
The problem is that IMail tells Declude JunkMail The intended address was 
postmaster@, but the real address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  IMail does not tell Declude 
JunkMail about the other aliases/forwards.

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[Declude.JunkMail] empty Reverse-Path

2003-08-14 Thread Bennie



Hello,Does preventing empty Reverse-Path 
violate current standards?Bennie


[Declude.JunkMail] Interesting spam...

2003-08-14 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Message



Hi;
I just saw a spam 
that I think we all need to block... 

=
Important notice
We have just charged your credit card for 
money laundry service in amount of $234.65 (because you are either child 
pornography webmaster or deal with dirty money, which require us to layndry them 
and then send to your checking account). 
If you feel this transaction was made by our 
mistake, please press "No".
If you confirm this transaction, please press 
"Yes" and fill in the form below.


Enter your credit card number here: 

Enter your credit card expiration date: 
  
Contacts: Phone: +5982 902 5627 Fax: +5982 902 3114 E-mail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 156746629 

==

It should be interesting to see variations of this ..

Regards,
Kami




RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

I've always wondered about this.  So how do you desensitize Outlook?
i.e. tell it not to break apart attachments as John posted?
In exactly the same way that it became broken in the first place.  :)

Assuming that the problem is the Partial Vulnerability, the reason it 
started occurring is because someone is running a version of Outlook that 
allows attachments to be split into multiple E-mails (something that was 
used back when most mailservers limited E-mail to 50K each).  All they need 
to do is switch back to the default setting of not splitting up the 
attachments among multiple E-mails.

In almost all cases, this is a situation where someone thought it would be 
cool to tweak a setting that they weren't familiar with (Gee, Split 
attachments into multiple E-mails probably will make my E-mail faster!, 
they think).

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS Question

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

 Legitimate email is failing the BADHEADERS test. Do I need to
 modify something on my server so this test does not fail?
 You need to modify something on the mail client (the program sending the
 E-mail is broken).
 Most likely, upgrading the mail client will fix the problem.

Why would I need to upgrade my mail client?
Because most people don't like running broken software on their 
servers.  Most likely, you're running a beta version of the software involved.

It's a ColdFusion page that's sending the email, by the way.
AH!  That explains the problem.

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00661.html 
covers getting CF not to fail the SPAMHEADERS test.  Most likely, another 
broken part of CF (a bogus HELO/EHLO) is causing IMail to add a broken 
header (since IMail generates the header on the assumption that the 
HELO/EHLO information is valid), causing it to fail the BADHEADERS 
test.  But, that problem will actually go away with the information at the 
above URL (since CF will add the header that IMail was adding).

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[Declude.JunkMail] Spam volume

2003-08-14 Thread Todd - Smart Mail



 We have been tuning our Declude 
over the past couple months. We have added some of the new tests and also 
started using Spamcheck.

 So far this month we have held 
over 17k spam emails in less than 14 days. Last month we held 24k spam 
emails for the entire month. That means on average we were filtering 
775/day in July and over 1,215/day in August. 

 The tuning and Spamcheck have 
helped catch a lot more spam.But there is no doubt we have seen an 
increase in the volume recently also. 



Todd Hunter
Progressive Systems




RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering (Pro version)

2003-08-14 Thread Kami Razvan
Hi;

Just to give you an idea...

We have over 20 or so filter files and most have over 1,000 lines.. 2 of the
filter files have about 4,000 lines in them.

URL's found in body:  3,890 lines
Blacklist in body:  3,458 lines
Blacklist in header: 4,458 lines

There is some performance degradation but the server handles it well so we
are not concerned with it.

Regards,
Kami

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 3:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering (Pro version)



On the Filtering (Pro version) - create your own filters, similar to 
the filters in IMail,

1. Is there a space character like iMail filters (/s)
For example:
BODY  3  CONTAINS  /ssex/s

No, there is not.

If you have a space before the search string, it will be ignored 
(otherwise, it won't know where the search string starts).

If you have a space after the search string, Declude JunkMail will look for 
it.  So BODY 3 CONTAINS sex  would look for sex  (sex with 
one space after it).

2. Realistically, how many rules can you put in a filter file.

Technically, you can have an unlimited number.  However, each filter line 
will use up extra CPU time (the BODY and ANYWHERE filter types use the most 
CPU time).  We do have people with thousands of lines in their filter files.

-Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering (Pro version)

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

On the Filtering (Pro version) - create your own filters, similar to the
filters in IMail,
1. Is there a space character like iMail filters (/s)
   For example:
   BODY  3  CONTAINS  /ssex/s
No, there is not.

If you have a space before the search string, it will be ignored 
(otherwise, it won't know where the search string starts).

If you have a space after the search string, Declude JunkMail will look for 
it.  So BODY 3 CONTAINS sex  would look for sex  (sex with 
one space after it).

2. Realistically, how many rules can you put in a filter file.
Technically, you can have an unlimited number.  However, each filter line 
will use up extra CPU time (the BODY and ANYWHERE filter types use the most 
CPU time).  We do have people with thousands of lines in their filter files.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Test No Messages

2003-08-14 Thread Nathan Fouarge
Too many people dealing with the msblast virus to complain about getting
spam...  :)

Nathan Fouarge
Amberwave Communications
114 N Dodge
Algona, IA 50511
515-295-6900 x33



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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:40 PM
To: JunkMail Declude

I have not received a message from the list in about 15 hours. This is a
test message

Kevin Bilbee
Network Administrator
Standard Abrasives, Inc.

Changing the way industry works.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
I have Declude send out a vulnerablility.eml message. If the receiver
recognizes it, he replies and I put the files back into the spool folder
letting them know to have the sender fix the problem.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:53 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)
 
  In almost all cases, this is a situation where someone thought it would
be
  cool to tweak a setting that they weren't familiar with (Gee, Split
  attachments into multiple E-mails probably will make my E-mail
faster!,
  they think).
 
 Heh, in our case it would be Hey, good way to get your message deleted.
=)
 I've been deleting the Vulnerabilities, and more than 95% have all been
 SPAM, only 1 person I've spoken with to correct this problem ever
 complained, and as Scott mentioned, he thought it was to help speed up
 delivery. I just explained that ANY potential threat to our users is taken
 seriously, and we'll not risk the whole for someone too lazy to fix their
 mail. He fixed his problem. =)
 
 What about the rest on the list? Do you delete vulnerabilities?
 
 Paul
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

A few days ago I mentioned that I've had to reduce the weight I give to 
the spamdomains test
drastically due to false positives. Here is an example of the type of 
thing I am running into:
...

Again, this isn't a criticism. I just wanted to show what is happening in 
the real world.
Just a few notes here:

[1] The SPAMDOMAINS test should not be set up so that failing the 
SPAMDOMAINS test alone will block an E-mail (for exactly the reason you 
describe -- there are some services that send out E-mail on behalf of 
others that may be using a Hotmail or similar E-mail address).

[2] If an E-mail is caught and your SPAMDOMAINS test isn't weighted heavily 
enough to block the E-mail on its own, then the problem often lies with the 
sender.  If someone is going to be sending out E-mail on behalf of their 
customers (such as Kodak and eBay), they need to make sure that their 
mailserver is set up perfectly.  While it may be acceptable for a small 
company to have some problems with their mailserver (such as no reverse DNS 
entry), it isn't acceptable for a company the size of Kodak or eBay.

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[Declude.JunkMail] RPC Vulnerability

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Farris
Does anyone know of a fix once a customer is experiecing this problem and
how are they getting it...we have updated our F-Prot and are locking down
our routers now..

The message says RPC terminated unexpectedly and is shutting down Windows in
60 seconds..

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.800.548.3877
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 Any idea when the next release will be availabel???

 No idea at this point.  However, as soon as the feature is added, we will
 have an interim release for people who need the feature as soon as
possible.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude and W2003

2003-08-14 Thread Mike Barnett
Are there any issues that anyone knows about with Declude and W2003?

Thx
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] GSC Files

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

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Any idea when the next release will be availabel???
No idea at this point.  However, as soon as the feature is added, we will 
have an interim release for people who need the feature as soon as possible.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

I'm seeing a lot of these:

08/11/2003 00:05:37 Q1610005b050c0a12 Outlook 'CR' vulnerability [From:  
vi] in line 7
08/11/2003 02:12:51 Q33e12758026284fb File(s) are INFECTED [[Outlook 
'Blank Folding' Vulnerability]: 0]

The 'CR' are messages that do not have attachements.
The 'CR' vulnerability occurs when there is a long CR character (carriage 
return) in the E-mail headers, which the RFCs do not allow (and causes a 
vulnerability, so Declude Virus has to quarantine the E-mail).  As usual, 
upgrading the broken mail client normally fixes the problem.

The Blank Folding vulnerability is a bit different (it occurs when there is 
a line in the header with just a single space or tab and nothing else; this 
is technically valid but never necessary, and causes a 
vulnerability).  Upgrading the mail client should fix this, as well.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread Karen D. Oland
quarantine, quick san once a month and have only rescued one -- rest to the
bit bucket.  Most don't even have correctly spelled subject lines.

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 From: paul
 What about the rest on the list? Do you delete vulnerabilities?

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread paul
 I don't delete on any one test.  But currently any e-mail messages that
have
 an overall weight of 50 get deleted automatically.

But that's using junkmail. I'm talking Declude Virus. There's no weights in
virus scanning, it is or it isn't. Some people ignore the vulnerability
detections, others, like me, delete them, some HOLD for review. They may not
be viruses now, but COULD be in the future.

But you are right about junkmail tests, you shouldn't delete mail on one
test alone.

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[Declude.JunkMail] dial up users at qwest

2003-08-14 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
What a mess!

Aside from buying AutoWhite, does anyone have a suggestion for letting mail
in from valid dial up users at Qwest, while still keeping out the spammers?
SPAMDOMAINS may be appropriate here, to reward a person from qwest who
actually says they're from qwest...

e.g.

Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.115] by
mail.bentall.com
  (SMTPD32-7.13) id A48566011A; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:12:05 -0700
Received: (qmail 64848 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2003 19:12:05 -
Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.12)
  by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 19:12:05 -
Received: from sttldslgw13poolc21.sttl.uswest.net (HELO mrlegit)
(65.102.138.21)
  by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 19:12:05 -
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:14:10 -0700
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Mr. Legitimate [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unfortunately for this and other users, the mail server subnet and the
dial-up subnet are heavily blacklisted, and easily reached my HOLD weight.

Andrew...
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS Question

2003-08-14 Thread Jose Gosende
Interesting. Thanks for the info!

Jose

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  Legitimate email is failing the BADHEADERS test. Do I need to
  modify something on my server so this test does not fail?

  You need to modify something on the mail client (the program sending the
  E-mail is broken).

  Most likely, upgrading the mail client will fix the problem.

Why would I need to upgrade my mail client?

Because most people don't like running broken software on their
servers.  Most likely, you're running a beta version of the software
involved.

It's a ColdFusion page that's sending the email, by the way.

AH!  That explains the problem.

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00661.html
covers getting CF not to fail the SPAMHEADERS test.  Most likely, another
broken part of CF (a bogus HELO/EHLO) is causing IMail to add a broken
header (since IMail generates the header on the assumption that the
HELO/EHLO information is valid), causing it to fail the BADHEADERS
test.  But, that problem will actually go away with the information at the
above URL (since CF will add the header that IMail was adding).

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[Declude.JunkMail] Fwd: Link obfuscation in e-mail body

2003-08-14 Thread Don Brown
FWIW, I just got one with the entire body obfuscated.

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Date: Friday, August 8, 2003, 2:34:55 PM
Subject: Link obfuscation in e-mail body
==Original message text===
Will Declude see viphosts.net in the below obfuscated URL, when it is
in the body of the e-mail?
A 
Href=http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]#105;p#104;o#115;t#115;.net/cws.htm?jid=32022 
title=GKjBK




Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc.
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] strange DNS failures

2003-08-14 Thread David Dodell
 That is unusual.  Declude JunkMail should only fail the REVDNS test if it
 does get an answer from the DNS server, which says the reverse DNS entry 
 does not exist (if there is a timeout, it should not fail the test).

I agree .. and the DNS / Imail / Declude all reside on the same
machine, so I would doubt if there were any type of timeouts getting
the information.

 If this happens often, you could use the DEBUG mode (LOGLEVEL DEBUG),
 which records more details about the reverse DNS lookup in the log file.

I'll have to keep that in mind.  It only seems to happen once or twice
a day if that ... very erratic.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamcop as reliable source?

2003-08-14 Thread R. Scott Perry

Lately a reputable Listserv I belong to has begun failing the Spamcop 
test. I've whitelisted the domain, but it's got me wondering...is Spamcop 
a reliable source of spam, or would I do better by downgrading their 
weight. Currently I have Spamcop fails set to label subject as Spam 
regardless of the weight (the weight is 9).
Usually, it's very reliable -- but certainly not completely reliable.

The two main issues are [1] They will list a server when even a single spam 
report has occurred, and [2] In the case of lists, some people may decide 
that it is spam even if they did sign up for it.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Markus Gufler

 I'm glad I posted on this as I am realizing that I am not 
 understanding exactly what is going on. When I had the 
 spamdomains test set at 2/3s of the hold weight, I would find 
 4 or 5 legitimate messages a day held, with spamdomains 
 putting each message over the top.

Hi Paul

I had the same problem here and solved it by setting up two different
spamdomain tests.

SPAMDOMAINS_H   spamdomains E:\IMail\Declude\spamdomains_high.txt x
10 0
SPAMDOMAINS_L   spamdomains E:\IMail\Declude\spamdomains_low.txt x 6
0

As you can see each of this test has his own text-file with the domains
listed.

I recommend to put first all the domains you actually have in the
high-file.
Now you can move domain per domain to the low-file if it has created a
FP.

Our current weight for the high file is 50% of the hold weight.
For the low-file we give 30% of the hold weight.

With this setting we have had not a single FP caused by the
spamdomains-tests in the last 5 weeks.

Markus

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
License agreement.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:40 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
 
 What is the LA?
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:30 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
 
 
 Sending messages from a hotmail address but not through a hotmail server
may
 not be allowed under the LA.
 
 John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
 Engineer/Consultant
 eServices For You
 www.eservicesforyou.com
 
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:13 PM
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  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
 
  I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test.
I
 have
  had to give this
  test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from
 spam domain
  addresses, but
  sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email
 from
  hotmail but where the
  sender sent it presumably through their work server.
 
  That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I
do
 use it. I
  just have to
  give it very little weight.
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AVG emails bouncing?

2003-08-14 Thread Pete McNeil
We had a bad rule, it was removed yesterday.
Sheldon, I hope you got my response by now.
If not please let me know, also any others.
Sorry for any confusion.

_M

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| In this case, you would really need to see at least the full bounce
|message
| (which would determine if IMail or Declude bounced the 
|E-mail, whether 
| it was a real bounce or a mailbox full bounce, etc.).
|
|Sniffer is the cause of the bounces and I have not had any 
|response from them on this. I hate to disable sniffer altogether!
|
|
|Sheldon
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|Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com
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