Hmmm
Firstly - We don't like Microsoft Product but we like their price? Please!
Purchasing on Price has always been a bad idea (or that what we all try to
convince our clients)
and
Secondly - Probably like a lot of you I use Pro, the price for Enterprise is
set by where Enterprise sits in the
Does your pointy haired manager realise how long you spend looking at
the comparison of benefits between software developers and dentists?
Just kidding, I found your comments quite amusing! I do see your point.
Well put!
Glenn
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From: Martin Paulo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Corey accidently sent this directly to me...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/05/2001 14:40:18:
While it may look like I am defending the pricing I am not. I think
it is over priced here in Australia (and NZ) when compared with the US
and salaries are also compared. If you are a new user, why
Phil wrote:
The real hassle with Delphi, is that component industry which has a
lot to do with the underlying success of Delphi, kind of forces you to
upgrade sooner or later.
Hmmm, why is that? I mean, this isn't the case in my experience --
most of the component offerings I use (and
Just a statement really... not in response to anyone!
If you always buy with source you should never have a problem with new
delphi versions anyway.
JED
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Create an application.
make the form smallish - not as big as your screen area.
Add a Status Bar.
Set the form Align property to Left.
Run the application.
With the application running -
Make the form narrower or wider.
Make it shorter
Is this a known bug?
Chrissy.
Just my 2 pennies worth...
I realise that there are companies out there who will willingly pay the
enterprise price or higher. Also, some companies will not trust cheapie
tools.
And Borland cant see why they should miss out on those. This was the
original justification for creating the
Do I report it to Borland?
Chrissy.
It now is! ; )
NIRAV KAKU
Create an application.
make the form smallish - not as big as your screen
area.
Add a Status Bar.
Set the form Align property to Left.
Run the application.
I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
BTW - what are the education prices?
Chrissy.
it's also prices like these that make people look towards say gcc and
KDevelop and linux/open source solutions.
--On Wednesday, 9 May 2001 1:05 p.m. +1200 Martin Paulo
I think we would all agree that the robotic chairs are the only fun part
about going to a dentist.
Actually - I know a very sexy dentist in Wellington.
Chrissy.
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the price for Enterprise is
set by where Enterprise sits in the market, priced Oracle
or Rational Rose recently? or on a more proletairat level a copy of Adobe
Capture?,
Which is why I have survived without any of those.
Let me put it all in perspective for you - I have no pointy-haired boss
The real hassle with Delphi, is that component industry which has a
lot to do with the underlying success of Delphi, kind of forces you to
upgrade sooner or later.
Hmmm, why is that? I mean, this isn't the case in my experience --
most of the component offerings I use (and indeed,
Live data to the web? You make it sound uncommon, or make it sound like VB
can't do that. I find PHP allows me to get data from my databases to a
webpage quicker and easier than Delphi anyday, with alot less overhead.
--On Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:21 AM +1200 Steve Peacocke
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Delphi set the standard for RAD OO development 5 years ago, no question.
However it's competitors are catching rapidly. (I believe VB will even have
inheritance in it's next release!)
If I couldn't use Delphi then they would have their
choice of a myriad of spotty faced kids with a copy
of
At 08:56 am 10.05.01 +1200, you wrote:
Live data to the web? You make it sound uncommon, or make it sound like VB
can't do that. I find PHP allows me to get data from my databases to a
webpage quicker and easier than Delphi anyday, with alot less overhead.
Perhaps, but how about Interbase data?
(Just to be provocative :) ) Is the door handle faulty if it's fitted to the
hinge side of the door?
Having said that, if Align is anything other than alBottom or alRight the
drag/resize handle (what is the technical term for it?) should disappear -
as it does if you drop it onto a panel and not
As an aside, this is one reason why Java has done so well - it transcends
the heterogeneous nature of the enterprise. Note that the entrance cost of
the JDK (and its labour saving class libraries) is very low.
The enterance cost of the JDK, in $ terms, is low, but the productivity
without a
Yes. Definatly. It also has ADO (dbGo- noone can use the name ADO), and
dbExpress, which is the new, crossplatform, lightweight db access framework.
N
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From: Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 10,
Some great comments snipped - all worth reading
It's the REAL PRO's that convinces the Corporates to buy, not the
pointy-haired bosses. Price out the REAL PRO's and your sales will disappear.
This last point is interesting. For about $10 years I was doing what you
now do, contracting but I
Steve
I'm a Pascal man - eat, sleep talk and think in
Pascal. I was using Pascal even before Borland was born (anybody remember
Pascal MT+ in CP/M?).
So am I to a point, (My BE thesis was on the hardware design of a Pascal
P-Code Machine)
But I would not use Delphi for Web based development,
Chrissy
If you are getting strange component positional behaviour then it could be
your display driver
Neven
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From: Chrissy R [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 02:06
Subject: Re: [DUG]: Try This
As soon as I do some calculations on somedata
fields during data entry ( using D5 and IB 6 ) I get this 'Invalid BLOB ID
error' on a memo field in the same dataset. Should I be committing the memo
field before doing the calcs and if so what is the best method of doing this?.
posting still
Clarify that please - a glance at the feature matrix tells me that dbGo is
only available in the enterprise edition.
However, dbExpress is available in both the professional and enterprise
edition. The blurb says New dbExpress for ultra-high performance Native SQL
RDBMS access. Does one need
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From: Neven MacEwan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[snip]
Firstly - We don't like Microsoft Product but we like their
price? Please!
I can't see what's wrong with liking the price but not the product. Is it
different to liking the product, but not the price? A
It has happened on five different machines (everyone that
I have tried) and there have different HW/OS configs.
Chrissy.
Chrissy
If you are getting strange component positional behaviour then it could be
your display driver
Neven
Do I report it to Borland?
Chrissy.
It now
Steve et al
I've also been a Pascal man since the late seventies also using Pascal MT+
on our own design CPM based systems. I was delighted by Borlands first
offering of Turbo Pascal for CPM - both by the capabilitys and by the whole
Borland ethos - the price was absolutely right at (if I recall
I can't resist - a certain well known company in its quest for world
domination makes freely available a Java IDE that has a very good debugger
in it.
Further, the JDK does have a fairly powerful debugger - but it is command
line driven. Try examining the 'jdb' program. Plus you get the source
Well, PHP supports Interbase.
Data inwards from the web? Thats just a matter of responding to the HTTP
POST with an insert sql query. My website for my cdcollection and journal
is all PHP/Postgres, web editable, I could if I wanted write a rich Delphi
UI app that also allowed me to modify
Hi Borland,
I see you are working hard towards driving the last customer towards
the competition.
Prices to me seem to get astronomical. The so called new delphi features in the past
were often just 3rd party trial version components which were as in case of mapi
absolute useless crap and a
upgrades are usually from any delphi version of the same level, eg pro to
pro or ent to ent.
there are crossgrades, too and they are usually a little more, but you can
go from pro to ent or VB to pro etc.
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From: Graham Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients
On 10 May 2001, at 10:21, Martin Paulo wrote:
Clarify that please - a glance at the feature matrix tells me that
dbGo is only available in the enterprise edition.
I was in the delphi 6 chat the other night (at 4am!) and one of the
Borland guys said dbGo was in Pro. Later on the whole chat
I have a REALLY simple query:
SELECT * FROM Release ORDER BY UPPER(id)
Why would delphi complain of 'Invalid use of keyword. Token: UPPER(id)'?
The query is valid and works in TOAD/DBArtisan etc.???
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DOH, turned out I still had RequestLive turned on :( heh.
--On Thursday, 10 May 2001 12:08 p.m. +1200 Mark Derricutt
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Why would delphi complain of 'Invalid use of keyword. Token: UPPER(id)'?
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But this pricing makes Borland's problem mine! In the long run
the higher
the price, the fewer the developers, and thus the higher the price
must go!
A very nasty circle. And one that I worry many will soon have to
get off.
I can see no realistic way for Borland to get out this circle
I think we have to realise tho that although the prices are high here in NZ,
I wouldn't object to paying $3000 which is what they pay in the US. The
exchange rate does increase the price alot.
What Borland should do, which is what MS do, is keep local prices to a level
acceptable to that market,
Windows may be here to stay, but in what format that Windows is, is
another question.
With Windows moving into the whole .NET thing, Windows as we know it now
is NOT here to stay. I'm glad to see Delphi 6 support the .NET framework,
and I'm also glad to see Kylix here as well, however it
Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
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One thing I've noticed is that people seem to think enterprise applications
are always written by big corporates with alot of money behind them. But I
also seem to find that alot of systems using enterprise technology (esp.
web stuff) is done by smaller teams with not alot of money behind
Yes it does. a classic example is autocad. It was priced so high, that
most people I knew were using pirated copies. And no, it was not a loss of
revenue to the manufacturers, because most people would not have paid the
price regardless. If they hadnt got hold of pirated copies they would
The most effective method of stopping piracy is to keep the cost down.
Or free! you can't steal that which is free
Neven
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I would say it makes Open Source more acceptable. Theft is theft.
--On Thursday, 10 May 2001 11:09 a.m. +1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
G'Day,
If we have the following tables:
TblVenues, Import_tblVenues with the following structure:
VenueCode (PRIMARY KEY)
Description
Location
I have a scenario where data is placed into the Import_tblVenues table and I
then want to transfer that information into a production table called
Well I know I actually starts this discussion in a peak, but I dont think its doing
any good. Borland arent listening - we should have been doing this on a Borland
newsgroup though I suspect that would be ineffective too (but I tried !) I sent the
pricing the IT manager saying i wanted to
Just a thought - delphi is a great product with a pretty good following
worldwide. Why not, rather than get us all depressed with discussions of
piracy, moving to MS etc, communicate directly with Borland. Cannot imagine
much coming of just griping about the relative NZ cost but possibly, with a
I did not say acceptable - just understandable. I cannot afford to
spend $7.5k on something that will return me no income.
Chrissy.
Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
Mark Derricutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/05/2001 14:17:35:
I would say it makes Open Source more acceptable. Theft is theft.
--On Thursday, 10 May 2001 11:09 a.m. +1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW
Donovan
Try this, Assumes you can type the PK (and it is a single field) but with a
little fiddling you could make that dynamic (use syscolums)
you can also get the PK Constrain field out of syscontraints, all depends on
how 'smart' you want to get
For eff reasons i'd submit the synch raw data
Well wait until it will return you an income before getting it. Buy the
cheaper version. Investigate the alternatives. There are plenty of Free
and Open ones out there. We can't have everything we want. I understand
form your messages that you are a student. You will not be a student
Its Kylix Desktop (ie, pro) only.
Would the D6 + Kylix deal include D6.Upgrade + Kylix.Full @ half
price
Cheers,
Nahum.
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From: Nic Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 08:54 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Nic,
Where do I find out what feature/component is in what version. Thats really
the issue. if I can make do with the Pro version, then the pricing isnt a
problem.
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