Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module
Miguel Diaz wrote: Hello everyone, my name is Miguel and I'm interesting in helping with the documentation of Open Office. I do not have previous formal writing experience except for what I have done in my undergraduate and graduate courses. However, I'm willing to contribute my time and learn. Greetings Miguel; Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. Lack of formal Technical writing experience is no problem. There are always things that need to be done. The first things that you should do are: 1) Subscribe to this mailing list by sending an e-mail to: dev@openoffice.apache.org and following the directions in the reply e-mail. 2) Go through the first 2 levels of the new volunteer Orientation at: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/index.html. 3) Read the Contributors 101 article on the Documentation Wiki at: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Contribute. Most importantly, if you have questions please ask them on the mailing list. Again welcome to the community. Regards Keith McKenna
Re: [RELEASE] AOO.next = AOO 4.0
Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Jürgen, Jürgen Schmidt schrieb: Hi, first of all I would like to volunteer again as release manager for our next release if it's ok for our community. +1 +1 on that from me also Second I would like to define with you what our next release will be. After various discussion and activities on the mailing list and also at the ApacheCon, I got the impression that the majority would support a 4.0 version as our next release. I'm not in favor of an version 4.0 as next release. The changes have listed below would justify a version 4.0. But I doubt, that they are possible in a time frame, I see for the next release. I am with Regina on this one. I do not see a Jan or Feb time frame as feasible for the design and implementation of a new and still a comfortable bit of padding to deal with the inevitable gremlins that will sneak out of the woodwork to assure the kind of quality release that is expected of OpenOffice and that we expect of ourselves. We have released 3.4.1 in August 2012, so a good time for a next release would be February 2013. That release would get a lot of bug fixes and new languages, but no new features. Remembering the difficulties doing releases around December/January I think, it cannot be earlier. But it should not be later either for to get the valuable language work as soon as possible. This proposal makes more sense to me and appears to be a good compromise. It builds on the work that has been done to fix bugs and it also gets out much needed and judging by the response for translators, much wanted new languages. Making larger changes which justify a new major release means at the same time, we have to say something about end of life of the 3.x series. By releasing a 3.5 it gives us an opportunity to prepare our end users that the 3.x series is coming to end of life and that the next release will have some exciting changes. Let us not forget that often the success of major changes to a mature product such as AOO are as much do to good marketing as they are to the hard work of developers and testers. We are planning some bigger UI changes for the next release (sidebar) and such UI changes are always a good indicator for a new major release to signal our users bigger changers. I know Ariel has also some incompatible changes regarding add-ons in the pipeline that would also fit in a major release. Not to forget the internal changes in Draw. I noticed some discussion around a new visual design and a bigger rebranding and this is a further reason for a major release. I think it is time to define this more concrete and focus in more detail on the work that is needed and required to bring a good and stable release on the road. Our goal should be to continue the success of 3.4 and 3.4.1. If nobody will complain I will start to merge the started 3.5 and 4.0 planning into one combined planning later. The changes are so large, that they need a lot of testing. The printing dialog has been the last large UI change and that has last over a year. Even when I only take the test time, which is reflected in Bugzilla, I see eight months CWS printerpullpages. The internal changes in Draw are not visible, but because they effect the whole office, they need a lot of testing too. I do not think, that a good tested release with such changes would be possible before July. Therefore I argue for not merging the planning, but release a 3.5 based on the current trunk (approximately) and then a version 4.0 containing large changes in autumn 2013. I believe it is important that we concentrate on our next release. If you think a rebranding is important and you want to drive it, please start immediately. If you want to bring in some new features, please communicate it on the list and start working on it. Let us work on the plan for the next release in an open and transparent way. Setting a feature freeze day? Besides the next major release we should also continue the discussion on further language packs based on 3.4.1 to make the latest translations available as soon as possible. One way to make these language packs available would be to integrate the new translations on the AOO34 branch, build the language packs and a new source release based on this revision. The effort should be minimal as long as we don't integrate bugfixes. On the other hand a release is of course a lot of work and we can focus on releasing these new languages together with 4.0. The question is if we do have the resources for releasing the new languages? Any opinions or feedback? So my suggestion is to not make 4.0 the next release but do a 3.5 release with bug fixes and further languages in between. +1 to Regina's proposal to do a 3.5 rather than try to jump straight into 4.0 Regards Keith Kind regards Regina
Re: [RELEASE] AOO.next = AOO 4.0
Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Jürgen, Jürgen Schmidt schrieb: Hi, first of all I would like to volunteer again as release manager for our next release if it's ok for our community. +1 +1 on that from me also Second I would like to define with you what our next release will be. After various discussion and activities on the mailing list and also at the ApacheCon, I got the impression that the majority would support a 4.0 version as our next release. I'm not in favor of an version 4.0 as next release. The changes have listed below would justify a version 4.0. But I doubt, that they are possible in a time frame, I see for the next release. I am with Regina on this one. I do not see a Jan or Feb time frame as feasible for the design and implementation of a new and still a comfortable bit of padding to deal with the inevitable gremlins that will sneak out of the woodwork to assure the kind of quality release that is expected of OpenOffice and that we expect of ourselves. Uh, Juergen never suggested January or Feburary as a time frame for 4.0. So I don't see how one can dismiss a 4.0 proposal as being unfeasible based on dates that he never suggested. Maybe we should ask Juergen what timeframe he had in mind for 4.0? Of course, it might be possible to do both, provided we have volunteers willing to own testing and release management for 3.5. -Rob As I re-read the post you are correct Rob and I apologize to Juergen for reading to much between the lines. What timeframe were you considering for a 4.0 release Juergan? Regards Keith We have released 3.4.1 in August 2012, so a good time for a next release would be February 2013. That release would get a lot of bug fixes and new languages, but no new features. Remembering the difficulties doing releases around December/January I think, it cannot be earlier. But it should not be later either for to get the valuable language work as soon as possible. This proposal makes more sense to me and appears to be a good compromise. It builds on the work that has been done to fix bugs and it also gets out much needed and judging by the response for translators, much wanted new languages. Making larger changes which justify a new major release means at the same time, we have to say something about end of life of the 3.x series. By releasing a 3.5 it gives us an opportunity to prepare our end users that the 3.x series is coming to end of life and that the next release will have some exciting changes. Let us not forget that often the success of major changes to a mature product such as AOO are as much do to good marketing as they are to the hard work of developers and testers. We are planning some bigger UI changes for the next release (sidebar) and such UI changes are always a good indicator for a new major release to signal our users bigger changers. I know Ariel has also some incompatible changes regarding add-ons in the pipeline that would also fit in a major release. Not to forget the internal changes in Draw. I noticed some discussion around a new visual design and a bigger rebranding and this is a further reason for a major release. I think it is time to define this more concrete and focus in more detail on the work that is needed and required to bring a good and stable release on the road. Our goal should be to continue the success of 3.4 and 3.4.1. If nobody will complain I will start to merge the started 3.5 and 4.0 planning into one combined planning later. The changes are so large, that they need a lot of testing. The printing dialog has been the last large UI change and that has last over a year. Even when I only take the test time, which is reflected in Bugzilla, I see eight months CWS printerpullpages. The internal changes in Draw are not visible, but because they effect the whole office, they need a lot of testing too. I do not think, that a good tested release with such changes would be possible before July. Therefore I argue for not merging the planning, but release a 3.5 based on the current trunk (approximately) and then a version 4.0 containing large changes in autumn 2013. I believe it is important that we concentrate on our next release. If you think a rebranding is important and you want to drive it, please start immediately. If you want to bring in some new features, please communicate it on the list and start working on it. Let us work on the plan for the next release in an open and transparent way. Setting a feature freeze day? Besides the next major release we should also continue the discussion on further language packs based on 3.4.1 to make the latest translations available as soon as possible. One way to make these language packs available would be to integrate the new translations on the AOO34 branch, build the language packs and a new source release based on this revision
Re: [RELEASE] AOO.next = AOO 4.0
Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 11/21/12 5:33 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Jürgen, Jürgen Schmidt schrieb: Hi, first of all I would like to volunteer again as release manager for our next release if it's ok for our community. +1 +1 on that from me also Second I would like to define with you what our next release will be. After various discussion and activities on the mailing list and also at the ApacheCon, I got the impression that the majority would support a 4.0 version as our next release. I'm not in favor of an version 4.0 as next release. The changes have listed below would justify a version 4.0. But I doubt, that they are possible in a time frame, I see for the next release. I am with Regina on this one. I do not see a Jan or Feb time frame as feasible for the design and implementation of a new and still a comfortable bit of padding to deal with the inevitable gremlins that will sneak out of the woodwork to assure the kind of quality release that is expected of OpenOffice and that we expect of ourselves. Uh, Juergen never suggested January or Feburary as a time frame for 4.0. So I don't see how one can dismiss a 4.0 proposal as being unfeasible based on dates that he never suggested. Maybe we should ask Juergen what timeframe he had in mind for 4.0? Of course, it might be possible to do both, provided we have volunteers willing to own testing and release management for 3.5. -Rob As I re-read the post you are correct Rob and I apologize to Juergen for reading to much between the lines. What timeframe were you considering for a 4.0 release Juergan? Well I had indeed not February in mind but when we targeting on end of March or April we will have more time. Maybe we can take first a look on what others have in mind to put in the next release. Juergen This sounds like a good idea. My concern is that we have enough time to adequately the changes, especially the potential UI changes, and that we address the end of life issues with the 3.x.x line. We do not want to spring possibly major UI changes on end users without adequate warning. Is there something users need to do to prepare for UI changes ? ;-) Rob, have you ever been involved in direct user support? When you make major UI changes your support structure is going to be inundated with questions under the best of situations. When you spring them on users unawares you unleash the tirade of change for the sake of change potentially getting bad publicity for the product. Actually, I was involved in direct user support for office smart suite. For several years I did direct phone support for users of Lotus SmartSuite, 40 calls per day. So I have actually done this, as a professional, thousands of times. And I was very good at it. Rob; That is why I asked the question was to get an answer. Since you have been involved in it you understand the issue and that is good. Also note that this was during the transition from DOS to Windows, so I know quite a bit about how users handle UI changes. Any changes we're proposing for AOO 4.0 are miniscule compared to the DOS to Windows transition. While it is true that an amount of this is inevitable, a good marketing and communication campaign can go a long way towards minimizing it. We cannot loose sight of the act that we are an end user project and not just for the techie types. Yes, marketing needs to accompany any user-visible changes, not just UI changes. But the need for marketing should be expressed as helping support our current call for marketing volunteers: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_marketing_volunteers. It should not (IMHO) be expressed by denigrating the proposed UI changes. Regards, -Rob However I would like you to point me to anything in my post that could be considered denigrating a new UI. My concern was and still is that we have enough time to thoroughly test whatever changes are decided to be made and allow the marketing, ux and other ancillary parts to do there share also. I will support your call for volunteers in any way that I am able. I am nt a blogger so that is not an option for me. How ever I do and will continue to suggest to those I know who have needed skills that they seriously consider volunteering or the project. Regards Keith IMHO, if the changes are a bad idea we should never do them. But if the changes are a good idea then let's get them done, tested and released without delay. Yes, it will be a surprise for many end users. As far as I can tell most users still don't know we've moved to Apache either. Whether we have moved to Apache
Re: Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list
Mark Roest wrote: Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list Regards, Mark Roest Mark; At this time there is no project list to add you to. If you are interested in helping with documentation for AOO I would suggest this order of events: 1. Follow the first 2 levels of the New Volunteer Orientation At: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/index.html 2. From there read the Contributors 101 Guide AT: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Contribute At the moment most of my energies have been directed at reviewing the chapters of the Getting Started Guide and getting them ready for publication. I look forward to working with you Keith N. McKenna
Re: Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list
Kay Schenk wrote: On 11/29/2012 12:34 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Mark Roest wrote: At the moment most of my energies have been directed at reviewing the chapters of the Getting Started Guide and getting them ready for publication. I look forward to working with you Keith N. McKenna @Keith-- Happy to hear there's progress in this area! :) Unfortunately progress is VERY slow. Only one new volunteer stepped up to help. I will be doing an update to the list hopefully in the next few days as to where we are. Regards Keith
Re: Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list
Yue Helen wrote: Welcome Mark! Are you interested in contributing to OpenOffice documentation? Can you please introduce yourself briefly or what areas you are interested in? I'm from development...I think we need people on documentation. Can someone here explain if we have a documentation project? if no, we may need to set up at least one wiki page to collaborate the work? Helen 2012/11/27 Mark Roest marklro...@gmail.com Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list Regards, Mark Roest Helen; Ricardo gave you a very good breakdown o the current situation. The outcome of the thread that he refers you to is that or version 3.4 at least the Getting Started Guide is still being done on the ODAuthors site and that mailing list is used to coordinate work. As for the future that is uncertain. My gut feeling is that that will change, but much more discussion is needed before anything happens there. Regards Keith
Re: Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list
Mark Roest wrote: Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list Regards, Mark Roest Since this seems to be going in the direction of on-line documentation I will bow out and close down the effort on ODFAuthors. Regards Keith
Re: Documentation Recruitment (was: Please add me to The OpenOffice.org Documentation Project list)
Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob, Hi all, 2012/11/30 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org [...] That would be the point of a call for volunteers then, wouldn't it? Bring in more volunteers with the skills needed to create an outline, etc. There are independent books written on OpenOffice and certainly Microsoft Office all the time. There are many people who have the skills needed. All we need to do is ask. The goal should be (IMHO) to reach a critical mass of volunteers where the tasks are not only doable, but fun. My personal opinion is that the way proposed by Ricardo, with an Apache license, is actually the more innovative and realistic we have for an online documentation at this time. His approach has the merit of suggesting a sustainable solution for the project and which can grow with it. So, the reflexion should be more oriented in finding a way to help him to develop his game, if desired.. The nature of things will lead to either: 1) We define the documentation plan, at least to the level of a list of deliverables, a new d...@openoffice.apache.org mailing list, a workflow, a technological approach (what formats and templates, etc.) and a means of tracking status (page on the wiki) and *then* do a call for volunteers. If we do this then new volunteers will naturally adapt to the workflow and process that already is in-progress, or 2) We do a call for volunteers with nothing more than a new d...@openoffice.apache.org mailing list, and hash out the details on that list with the new volunteers. So if someone has strong views on how things should be done, then they really need to step up and define #1. Otherwise, a recruitment activity will lead to a larger group of documentation volunteers who will have a mind of their own and could take this in other directions. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, of course. Another consideration: It is easier to find (and engage with) volunteers who step into an ongoing activity like #1. But it is easier to attract an alpha documentation architect if things are not already defined. Of course, these are not hard rules, but are considerations and tendencies. There are no right answers. With QA we did a call for volunteers that was more like #1. With marketing it is more like #2. Translation is in the middle, with an existing workflow, but one that is being improved by new volunteers, In any case, I think that a new doc mailing list will be essential for any approach, since new doc volunteers would be deterred by the traffic on the dev list. Regards, -Rob Of course, a call for participation could help, but it is not sufficient in itself, particularly if we don't have a clear idea of what we are intending to do. A+ -- gw Rob; I had tried to start that discussion in my original thread on user docs a few months ago. I hope that it is more successful this time around. Regards Keith
[User Docs] End of effort to get AOO v3.4 Getting Started Guide finished
After 3 months of frustration it is time to end the effort to get The Getting Started Guide that had been started for AOO 3.4 completed. Despite repeated requests for help on the ODFAuthors list it is apparent that either the Authors that had been working on Open Office docs are either no longer interested or are working strictly on the LO books. Alexandro Colorado made an attempt at getting the Base Guide done but was not able to get any responses to his requests for comments on his markups and changes and decided to put it on hold until he did. As far as I know he is still waiting. One other volunteer stepped up from an inquiry on this list and gave valuable help. Prabha again thank you very much for your work and I hope that you will get involved with the defining of a new documentation project. With only 2 people actively working it is not possible to give the work the quality review and editing that it deserves to have the Open Office name attached to it. Reluctantly unless someone with the requisite skills in technical writing and publishing that I do not have can lend a hand I feel it is best to end the effort and not waste anymore of anyone's time. I will continue to contribute where I can, but that is difficult or someone who is not a developer. Regards Keith N. McKenna
Re: [User Docs] End of effort to get AOO v3.4 Getting Started Guide finished
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On 12/1/12, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: After 3 months of frustration it is time to end the effort to get The Getting Started Guide that had been started for AOO 3.4 completed. Despite repeated requests for help on the ODFAuthors list it is apparent that either the Authors that had been working on Open Office docs are either no longer interested or are working strictly on the LO books. Alexandro Colorado made an attempt at getting the Base Guide done but was not able to get any responses to his requests for comments on his markups and changes and decided to put it on hold until he did. As far as I know he is still waiting. For the record I pause my contribution to Base based on real life things I needed to take care of. However on the other side, I have been succesfully mentoring students on contributing to the spanish version of this guide. Have been releasing new chapters every other day and hope to finish all the chapters and guide quite soon. I descided to help on Base because I had some paid work on developing courseware for a corporate training but the course got cancelled and the funds with it. :( Hopefully new opportunities will come and would be able to re-start my involvement and bill my hours to the client. One other volunteer stepped up from an inquiry on this list and gave valuable help. Prabha again thank you very much for your work and I hope that you will get involved with the defining of a new documentation project. With only 2 people actively working it is not possible to give the work the quality review and editing that it deserves to have the Open Office name attached to it. Reluctantly unless someone with the requisite skills in technical writing and publishing that I do not have can lend a hand I feel it is best to end the effort and not waste anymore of anyone's time. I will continue to contribute where I can, but that is difficult or someone who is not a developer. Regards Keith N. McKenna Alexandro; My most sincere apologies for any unintended misrepresentation on my part. My comments were based on the last conversation that I had with you here on the list. You had stated then that you had the base efforts on hold waiting for feedback on your previous comments. Again my apologies for my inadvertent misrepresentation. I wish you the best with your efforts on the Spanish versions. Regards Keith
My mwiki account appears to have vanished
Evening; I just tried to log in to my mwiki account and was informed by a very polite error message that I no longer exist.(See Below) Login error There is no user by the name KNMcKenna. Check your spelling. I know that I logged in last week. Could this account have been deleted in the recent maintenance to clear up the spam attack? Regards Keith
Re: My mwiki account appears to have vanished
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 12/02/2012 09:31 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Evening; I just tried to log in to my mwiki account and was informed by a very polite error message that I no longer exist.(See Below) Login error There is no user by the name KNMcKenna. Check your spelling. I know that I logged in last week. Could this account have been deleted in the recent maintenance to clear up the spam attack? Regards Keith I cannot comment on where your account went, but in case new account creation is still disabled, I went ahead and created an account for you. You should receive a randomly generated password (if I did everything correctly, Helen gave me a bit of a tutorial on that)... Let me know if your account does not come through! Thank you Andrew the account came through with flying colours. Profile, talk and contribs pages all as they were before. Regards Keith
Re: [User Docs] End of effort to get AOO v3.4 Getting Started Guide finished
Stan Helton wrote: I am disappointed to see this. I tried to volunteer for this kind of thing and did not receive a response a few months ago. It is a little frustrating to see the first comment one of ending the initiative. If I can help I would certainly like to. I am a part-time programmer and a writer. How can I help? What is the most pressing need? I believe I have the requisite technical and publishing skills to advance this part of the project. Stan Helton Trying to volunteer, but a little frustrated in finding the right position in the team. Stan; First off let me apologize for missing your message volunteering. I seem to remember having an e-mail forwarded to me from the ODFAuthors site on someone wanting to volunteer. Unfortunately it was caught up in in a problem on my system and got lost in the recovery. I you are still interested the state of the effort at this point is all but one or 2 chapters have been reviewed and need the touch of an experienced writer or editor to merge the proposed comments and changes; then polish them for possible publication or a second review effort. I would like nothing better than to get this back on track so that there is at least a Getting Started Guide available or the lateset 3.x version. If you are interested we can discuss this further in a separate thread. Regards Keith On 12/1/2012 10:12 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: After 3 months of frustration it is time to end the effort to get The Getting Started Guide that had been started for AOO 3.4 completed. Despite repeated requests for help on the ODFAuthors list it is apparent that either the Authors that had been working on Open Office docs are either no longer interested or are working strictly on the LO books. Alexandro Colorado made an attempt at getting the Base Guide done but was not able to get any responses to his requests for comments on his markups and changes and decided to put it on hold until he did. As far as I know he is still waiting. One other volunteer stepped up from an inquiry on this list and gave valuable help. Prabha again thank you very much for your work and I hope that you will get involved with the defining of a new documentation project. With only 2 people actively working it is not possible to give the work the quality review and editing that it deserves to have the Open Office name attached to it. Reluctantly unless someone with the requisite skills in technical writing and publishing that I do not have can lend a hand I feel it is best to end the effort and not waste anymore of anyone's time. I will continue to contribute where I can, but that is difficult or someone who is not a developer. Regards Keith N. McKenna
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote: [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ. I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an OpenOffice FAQ easily reachable by search engines at http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know whether it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so). Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it from the current site? The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That is valuable and worth preserving. But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot of work to update/correct them. Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML definition lists (dl) would be easier and could be maintained via the CMS web interface. There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version would be easier to maintain. So one possible resolution could be: 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on the wiki 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question) 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's. -Rob -Rob Regards, Andrea. Rob; I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged as needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it is already categorized with a toc on the main page. The other FAQ on the website is also categorized: http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and consolidate. In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here. But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ for the project. Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs: http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html Maybe a simplifying assumption could be: 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product and the project 2) We have the internal project-facing FAQ's on openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format. -Rob Regards Keith Rob; Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I prefer to avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on the training necessary to bring new people up to speed and you centralize the maintenance and lessen the chance that something slips under the radar. I already know what kind of shape the documentation section of the wiki is in. Let me take a look at the FAQ's on the web site and see how far out of date they are. It may be that rewriting the user ones in dtet may make more sense. Regards Keith
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote: [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ. I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an OpenOffice FAQ easily reachable by search engines at http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know whether it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so). Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it from the current site? The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That is valuable and worth preserving. But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot of work to update/correct them. Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML definition lists (dl) would be easier and could be maintained via the CMS web interface. There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version would be easier to maintain. So one possible resolution could be: 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on the wiki 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question) 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's. -Rob -Rob Regards, Andrea. Rob; I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged as needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it is already categorized with a toc on the main page. The other FAQ on the website is also categorized: http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and consolidate. In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here. But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ for the project. Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs: http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html Maybe a simplifying assumption could be: 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product and the project 2) We have the internal project-facing FAQ's on openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format. -Rob Regards Keith Rob; Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I prefer to avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on the training necessary to bring new people up to speed and you centralize the maintenance and lessen the chance that something slips under the radar. We already have different tools and different processes: static HTML, static mdtext and wiki. I'm proposing reducing it from 3 to 2. Agreed, all I am saying is that the more ways there are to do the same thing the greater both the possibility and the probability of maintainability headaches. As far as process goes, I think the product-related questions will generally be updated by those interested in documentation and support. Agreed. One reason that I tend toward using the wiki for these is that it could attract volunteers to help update and even add new ones that may be hesitant about editing a web page. But the project-related questions -- the ones currently on openoffice.apache.org -- will probably be updated by the PMC. I think those questions, which deal with project membership, process definition, etc., are quasi-official in nature and it is not a bad thing if editing them is harder and more restricted than editing a public wiki. I agree here also. I do believe that there are ways to lock down sections of the wiki also. So either way is doable. And let's not forget the harsh transition that some has navigating from an openoffice.apache.org web page to the wiki. The look is different and there is no context
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Marcus (Ono) wrote: Am 12/03/2012 11:11 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote: [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ. I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an OpenOffice FAQ easily reachable by search engines at http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know whether it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so). Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it from the current site? The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That is valuable and worth preserving. But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot of work to update/correct them. Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML definition lists (dl) would be easier and could be maintained via the CMS web interface. There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version would be easier to maintain. So one possible resolution could be: 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on the wiki 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question) 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's. -Rob -Rob Regards, Andrea. Rob; I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged as needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it is already categorized with a toc on the main page. The other FAQ on the website is also categorized: http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and consolidate. In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here. But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ for the project. Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs: http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html Maybe a simplifying assumption could be: 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product and the project 2) We have the internal project-facing FAQ's on openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format. I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily and nearly anybody has something to add. A website in mdtext is also easy to update and anyone can update it. In some sense it is even easier than the wiki, since with the anonymous mode an account registration is not even needed, unlike the wiki, I don't want to talk bad about the anonymous feature of the CMS. However, it's not widely known how to use it but I think how to use and change a wikipage is known better. I'd also disagree with the belief that FAQs need to be frequently changed. They only need to be frequently *asked*. For example, the question about OpenOffice on iPad only needs to be answered once. it does not require frequent community enhancement. Right, the better word is extend, to add more content. So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's best done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes reverted easily. The same is true of the website. But let's be honest: the FAQ's on the wiki have been neglected for a long time. Technological concerns are not the reason for this, since they are already on the wiki. Our problems are elsewhere. It seems nobody wanted to do the work that is needed to keep it up-to-date. ;-) My preference for the mdtext is it is easier to style and looks better. Wikis are dog butt ugly, IMHO. Fine for collaborating on text, but for final publication they are ugly. IMHO. I doubt that we need pretty styling here. The users want information for their question(s). It's not the primary goal to present it most pretty and nice but competent and complete
[Proposal] Update and merge User FAQ's from Web ite and mwiiki
Based on extended discussions on this list at: http://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:results. I propose to start merging and updating the User FAQ's from the website into the current structure on the mediawiki (mwiki) and updating the FAQ's already there by eliminating outdated references to version 1 and version 2 and any duplications. If there are no objections in 72 hours I will start merging the entries from the website into the mwiki. Regards Keith N. Mckenna
Re: not accessible; violation of ADA
Aleksei wrote: you are in violation of my civil rights as defined by US law. have i got you attention? i recently upgraded from open office 3.3 to open office Apache 3.4.1. it is an absolute disaster. i am visually disabled and Dyslexic. i ABSOLUTELY NEED a functional spelling check to do my work. the spelling checker in 3.4.1 is totally useless. the spelling cheker in 3.3 worked just fine. i went to your web site to find a solution. i was led to a page where i was required to register in order to log on. it was impossible to register. because of my disabilities i NEED to set my screen on high contrast black, then tone down the white lettering. i repeat, i NEED to do this. it is not an option IT IS A NECESSITY. there is no way to enter the security core you require in order to register. nothing shows up that enables the security code to be entered. it cannot be entered by trial and error. therefore, you have chosen to make your system totally inaccessible to me solely because of my disabilities. just because you are doing things without charge does not mean you are allowed to commit a crime. what you are doing has been illegal since the passage of Public Law 93-112 in 1973. i will allow you 10 days from the time i send this to make reasonable accommodation as required by the Americans with Disabilities Act before i file a complaint with the US Dept. of Justice, Civil Rights Div., Disability Rights Section. Jeff Russell P.O.Box 174 East Glastonbury CT 06025 Jeff: Please read the Release Notes: http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/3.4.1.html#AOO3.4.1ReleaseNotes-KnownIssues Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently than previous versions. The old user profile is automatically converted so that users can keep their extensions and settings. In a minority of cases, especially with highly customized profiles (many extensions or customizations) the conversion doesn't succeed. Common symptoms are: frequent application crashes, problems with dictionaries or thesaurus, OpenOffice starting and crashing after a few seconds. To solve this, just reset/rename your user profile as explained in the official OpenOffice forum. http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426 Regards Keith
Re: [Proposal] Update and merge User FAQ's from Web ite and mwiiki
Keith N. McKenna wrote: Based on extended discussions on this list at: http://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:results. I propose to start merging and updating the User FAQ's from the website into the current structure on the mediawiki (mwiki) and updating the FAQ's already there by eliminating outdated references to version 1 and version 2 and any duplications. If there are no objections in 72 hours I will start merging the entries from the website into the mwiki. Regards Keith N. Mckenna Since the 72 hours has passed and I have seen no negative comments I will begin to start culling through the FAQ's from the website and adding the pertinent ones to new sections of the User FAQ's on the mWiki. If anyone cares to help all assistance will be graciously accepted. Regards Keith
Re: Draft Board report for December
Andrea Pescetti wrote: I started drafting the Board report for December, due on December 12. You can find the current draft at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Dec Please complete/improve it directly on the wiki page, or send comments here. The report should cover, more or less, the period between graduation and today. Thanks, Andrea. Sorry that this is a bit o topic but wasn't quite sure where else to put it. Andrea; Due you mind if I appropriate the wording of your paragraph describing what OpenOffice is from your draft report for the FAQ's I am working on. It is the most succinct and accurate description I have yet seen. Regards Keith
Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module (Documentation)
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 12/10/2012 09:17 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Travis Tyler wrote: Hi, My name is Travis Tyler and I'm hoping to volunteer. I'm a student from Austin, at the University of Texas. I love to write and solve problems and I'm looking for a way to exercise both of those skills. Specifically, I want to improve my technical writing ability. That's pretty much it. Thanks for your time! –Travis Travis Thank you for taking the time to communicate your interest in volunteering. You are taking the right first steps by going through the orientation modules. The other good thing to do would be to subscribe to this this list. You may miss replies to your post unless the person replying explicitly cc's You can subscribe by sending a blank email to users-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and following the instructions that come in the reply to validate that you want to subscribe. This is a moderate to high volume list. We are at the moment taking a fresh look at how we do documentation and your skills at writing and problem solving would definitely be of help. Welcome to Apache OpenOffice and I look forward to seeing more of your posts and working with you. Regards Keith N. McKenna One other thought A new documentation list should be ready soon. subscribe and watch here for the announcement. If I remember, I will email directly when I notice that it exists Sadly, I do not see the request to create the list at the moment Andrew; Just as an aside there is no need to cc me to my mail account. I am subscribed to the list thru gamane. I prefer to follow the mailing lists via nntp when ever possible rather than mail.
Re: [Documentation] What gives the most bang for the buck?
Donald Whytock wrote: Hotkey reference pages? My personal preference for documentation is usually immediate-answer stuff like reference pages and very specific how-tos, as opposed to general guides and introductions. Perhaps that's just me coming from a programming perspective. Don Don; Immediate answer pages are great and they serve a useful purpose. However there is also need for In depth Guides and Introductions such as the Getting Started Guides. There are still many of us that prefer to have hard copy documentation that we can highlight and mark-up as fits our learning styles. Regards Keith On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As we wait, patiently, for the new doc list to be created, it might be worth having a quick discussion about priorities. I know there has been talk about getting started guides, perhaps done on the wiki. Another idea I had was a very targeted version of that, thinking specifically of Microsoft Office users migrating to OpenOffice. Would it be worth having a small guide just for them, say the top 10 helpful hints for MS Office users, things they might find confusing at first. For example: 1) In Calc, the argument separator is a semi-colon, not a comma. 2) In Calc, toggling absolute address mode is done by a shift-F4, not an F4 OK. Maybe we end up more with 40 or 50 things like this. Would this be useful and worth trying? -Rob
Re: [Documentation] What gives the most bang for the buck?
Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Donald Whytock wrote: Hotkey reference pages? My personal preference for documentation is usually immediate-answer stuff like reference pages and very specific how-tos, as opposed to general guides and introductions. Perhaps that's just me coming from a programming perspective. Don Don; Immediate answer pages are great and they serve a useful purpose. However there is also need for In depth Guides and Introductions such as the Getting Started Guides. There are still many of us that prefer to have hard copy documentation that we can highlight and mark-up as fits our learning styles. With hypertext we can have both, right? Immediate answer pages that link to in depth reference material for details, etc. -Rob Rob; That is correct. That is one nice thing about electronic documentation. Regards Keith Regards Keith On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As we wait, patiently, for the new doc list to be created, it might be worth having a quick discussion about priorities. I know there has been talk about getting started guides, perhaps done on the wiki. Another idea I had was a very targeted version of that, thinking specifically of Microsoft Office users migrating to OpenOffice. Would it be worth having a small guide just for them, say the top 10 helpful hints for MS Office users, things they might find confusing at first. For example: 1) In Calc, the argument separator is a semi-colon, not a comma. 2) In Calc, toggling absolute address mode is done by a shift-F4, not an F4 OK. Maybe we end up more with 40 or 50 things like this. Would this be useful and worth trying? -Rob
Re: [Documentation] What gives the most bang for the buck?
Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Stephen Cameron steve.cameron...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob, I agree with your points, It should be possible to create something using the AOO Writer by borrowing the DITA concepts rather than the standard itself, maybe by using templates. The key concept is to be able to generate big documents from lots of smallish, very specifically focused, ones. This provides many advantages (as reading an intro to DITA will make clear) but regarding managing the 'content' development process and in the usefulness of the end result. Potentially the DITA open toolkit can be tweeked to accept something different, its all XML behind the scenes in ODF I assume. From another direction, maybe we can find a way to convert AOO output (in ODF format) into proper DITA? There might we away that this could be done using a combination of styles and metatags inserted into the text of the document. -Rob Rob; This may be a better alternative. That way standard templates could be developed and contributors would be able to concentrate more on writing than on learning DITA. Regards Keith On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Stephen Cameron steve.cameron...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Have you ever thought of DITA as an option for AOO documentation? I've just started using it for documentation of some non-commercial software. There is an FOSS resource in the DITA Open Toolkit. In theory the DITA concepts are resources from which is generated different types of documentation via DITA maps. http://dita-ot.sourceforge.net/ If coders created DITA topics as feature where implemented then these could be taken and used by people creating documentation. This just might overcome one of the major limitations of many open-source projects, poor documentation. I certainly have suggested DITA as an approach. It has the advantages of being able to target PDF, HTML, e-Book., etc. It also would allow us to do a greater degree of customization, e.g., encode what paragraphs are Linux-specific, etc., and then generate a guide for windows, another one for Linux, etc., from a single source document. However, the arguments against DITA that I've heard include: 1) Volunteers are not familiar with it. So it becomes an additional hurdle for contributors 2) Editing DITA via raw XML is hard, but the good DITA editors that make DITA editing easy are not free. 3) Since our project includes its own word processor, we should probably use it for producing documentation. I don't think these hurdles are impossible to overcome, but we'd need to figure out how to do so. IMHO learning DITA is not very hard. You don't need to be a programmer, for example. And knowledge of DITA is a useful market skill. So if we did a call for documentation volunteers and talked about this being an opportunity to gain experience with DITA, that might be attractive to some new volunteers. On the other hand, some just want to write, and not worry about a more complicated document preparation workflow. Regards, -Rob On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Donald Whytock wrote: Hotkey reference pages? My personal preference for documentation is usually immediate-answer stuff like reference pages and very specific how-tos, as opposed to general guides and introductions. Perhaps that's just me coming from a programming perspective. Don Don; Immediate answer pages are great and they serve a useful purpose. However there is also need for In depth Guides and Introductions such as the Getting Started Guides. There are still many of us that prefer to have hard copy documentation that we can highlight and mark-up as fits our learning styles. With hypertext we can have both, right? Immediate answer pages that link to in depth reference material for details, etc. -Rob Rob; That is correct. That is one nice thing about electronic documentation. Regards Keith Regards Keith On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: As we wait, patiently, for the new doc list to be created, it might be worth having a quick discussion about priorities. I know there has been talk about getting started guides, perhaps done on the wiki. Another idea I had was a very targeted version of that, thinking specifically of Microsoft Office users migrating to OpenOffice. Would it be worth having a small guide just for them, say the top 10 helpful hints for MS Office users, things they might find confusing at first. For example: 1) In Calc, the argument separator is a semi-colon, not a comma. 2) In Calc, toggling absolute address mode is done by a shift-F4, not an F4 OK. Maybe we end up more with 40 or 50 things like this. Would this be useful
Re: New documentation list active
Andrea Pescetti wrote: The documentation mailing list is now active. It took a while this time, but Infra was experimenting with the new tools, it should get better in future. The mailing list address is d...@openoffice.apache.org To subscribe, as usual, send a message to doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and respond to the confirmation request you will receive. Other details are at http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#documentation-mailing-list-public (archives are still pending since they are created within 24 hours from the first message). Regards, Andrea. Is there any objection to my submitting a subscribe request to Gmane or this list? Regards Keith
Update to merge of FAQ's from web site to mwiki
Keith N. McKenna wrote: Based on extended discussions on this list at: http://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:results. I propose to start merging and updating the User FAQ's from the website into the current structure on the mediawiki (mwiki) and updating the FAQ's already there by eliminating outdated references to version 1 and version 2 and any duplications. If there are no objections in 72 hours I will start merging the entries from the website into the mwiki. Regards Keith N. Mckenna Good day all; Just a quick update to where this mini-project is. I have jut about finished all the modifications to the faqtoc on the mwiki. This is being done through a copy of the template file so as to avoid multiple saves to the template bringing the mwiki to its knees. Once the copy is finalized the changes will be made to the actual template file and saved once. Though tj has told me there should be no major performance hit by doing this I will schedule it probably over a weekend when usage is lower to (hopefully) minimize the hurt when Murphy inevitably bites. I came across the following page http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/FAQ that appears to be a sandbox that was started for developer FAQ's and then abandoned. There has been no development activity on it since 2009. Since many of the faq's on the web site are aimed towards developers, I would like to use this page as an index page for a number of different categories of developer faq's. I someone with a better knowledge and background in development could take a look at the page and if there is anything worth keeping let me know. Regards Keith
Re: Update to merge of FAQ's from web site to mwiki
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Keith N. McKenna wrote: Based on extended discussions on this list at: http://markmail.org/search/+**list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-** dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.**apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:** 1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:**resultshttp://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:results . I propose to start merging and updating the User FAQ's from the website into the current structure on the mediawiki (mwiki) and updating the FAQ's already there by eliminating outdated references to version 1 and version 2 and any duplications. If there are no objections in 72 hours I will start merging the entries from the website into the mwiki. Regards Keith N. Mckenna Good day all; Just a quick update to where this mini-project is. I have jut about finished all the modifications to the faqtoc on the mwiki. This is being done through a copy of the template file so as to avoid multiple saves to the template bringing the mwiki to its knees. Once the copy is finalized the changes will be made to the actual template file and saved once. Though tj has told me there should be no major performance hit by doing this I will schedule it probably over a weekend when usage is lower to (hopefully) minimize the hurt when Murphy inevitably bites. Awesome news, I will be having some spare time this month and the next. I am still need to finalize the mediawiki theme, but I sure can help if you need any. Alexandro; It is good to hear that you will be willing to help. Many of the FAQ's on the web site are geared towards developers on things like the XML format and using the API. Though I can weed out the more obvious ones, I will need help on the others as well re-wording to reflect the realities of today's environment. Programming and software development are not my forte. Keith I came across the following page http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/FAQhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/FAQthat appears to be a sandbox that was started for developer FAQ's and then abandoned. There has been no development activity on it since 2009. Since many of the faq's on the web site are aimed towards developers, I would like to use this page as an index page for a number of different categories of developer faq's. I someone with a better knowledge and background in development could take a look at the page and if there is anything worth keeping let me know. Like there was said before, a lot of dev-oriented projects were abandoned when Sun/Oracle did. Many of these projects werent as widely known but is good to have some kind of archieve of projects that people can take over. One project that comes to mind is the www-at-odf, which started really awesome but then the dev left. Any person with OOBasic, PHP and some apache knowledge could takee it and port it, or improve it. http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ODF@WWW Regards Keith
Re: Update to merge of FAQ's from web site to mwiki
janI wrote: On 23 December 2012 19:31, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.netwrote: Keith N. McKenna wrote: Based on extended discussions on this list at: http://markmail.org/search/+**list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-** dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.**apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:** 1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:**resultshttp://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:results . I propose to start merging and updating the User FAQ's from the website into the current structure on the mediawiki (mwiki) and updating the FAQ's already there by eliminating outdated references to version 1 and version 2 and any duplications. If there are no objections in 72 hours I will start merging the entries from the website into the mwiki. Regards Keith N. Mckenna Good day all; Just a quick update to where this mini-project is. I have jut about finished all the modifications to the faqtoc on the mwiki. This is being done through a copy of the template file so as to avoid multiple saves to the template bringing the mwiki to its knees. Once the copy is finalized the changes will be made to the actual template file and saved once. Though tj has told me there should be no major performance hit by doing this I will schedule it probably over a weekend when usage is lower to (hopefully) minimize the hurt when Murphy inevitably bites. I agree with tj, that is not a major burden for the mysql. Please be aware that I am looking at moving wikitest to production before end of the year...so please send me an e-mail directly, when you want to start working, then I keep my hands off. Jan I. Jan; In my earlier discussions with tj his feeling was that what I will be doing should not have any effect on the upgrade procedures. As long as the underlying data structure remains with all of it's associations and links to categories there should not be a problem. As I told tj previously, I am a process engineer and spent most of career in manufacturing. One tends to develop a cautious and conservative approach when knowing that it is you who has to explain to the operations manager and the plant manager why there production line is sitting idle. lol I have been bitten by Murphy in ways that I had never imagined and I am sure he has more waiting in the wings or me. If it would be easier to do the rest of the development work on the test part I have no problem doing that. We need the software update and the clean-up work desperately and I do not want to interfere with that work in any way. I came across the following page http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/FAQhttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/FAQthat appears to be a sandbox that was started for developer FAQ's and then abandoned. There has been no development activity on it since 2009. Since many of the faq's on the web site are aimed towards developers, I would like to use this page as an index page for a number of different categories of developer faq's. I someone with a better knowledge and background in development could take a look at the page and if there is anything worth keeping let me know. Regards Keith
Re: [RELEASE]: AOO 3.4.1 respin
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 1/8/13 6:02 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 1/7/13 1:35 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: I plan now with the following 8 languages for our upcoming AOO 3.4 1 respin: Danish (da), Swedish (sv), Norwegian Bokmal (nb), Polish (pl), Korean (ko), Asturian (ast), Basque (eu), Scottish Gaelic (gd) Please correct me if I should have missed something! Turkish should be really close. Turkish volunteers: if you have the UI translation complete, please let us know immediately. There is a big list of OpenOffice-compatible dictionaries listed here: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries This one is better: http://extensions.openoffice.org/dictionary Actually, if you open the former link, it will send you to the latter, since we now only include dictionaries packaged as extensions. I plan to start building the first official snapshot tomorrow based on revision 1424891 on the AOO34 branch (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branches/AOO34) Further dictionaries can be included in a potential second snapshot. I will start the build of the first official AOO 3.4.1 respin snapshot today based on revision 1424891 on the AOO34 branch. The new supported languages are ast, da, eu, gd, pl, ko, nb, sv. I will built a new updated source release, including the translation updates. The only further change is in the scripts for building the source release where I include the revision number. @Ariel: can you please start the build for Linux as well? Juergen Afternoon All;u going to want a separate Release Note for this or just an edit to the current 3.4.1 Release Note making a note of the additional languages? Regards Keith Are yo
Re: Hi
Doug Lee wrote: Hi guys, My name's Doug.I'm a first year computing student from Australia interested in getting involved in the Open Office project. I've learnt how to program in C and SQL and a bit of Java and was hoping to use these skills or pick up new ones to contribute to the project.I love learning new things and I love helping and Open Office seems like I can do both. I have to admit, I'm really not sure how you guys work but if someone is happy/willing to help me through maybe even the first step and show me how I can contribute, I'd really appreciate that. =) Looking forward to working with you all!Doug Hi Doug; Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. The best first step would be to go to our orientation page at: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html and follow the steps outlined there. The first 2 levels will give you a better understanding around how the project works. Then dive into level 3 which
Re: Hi
Doug Lee wrote: Hi guys, My name's Doug.I'm a first year computing student from Australia interested in getting involved in the Open Office project. I've learnt how to program in C and SQL and a bit of Java and was hoping to use these skills or pick up new ones to contribute to the project.I love learning new things and I love helping and Open Office seems like I can do both. I have to admit, I'm really not sure how you guys work but if someone is happy/willing to help me through maybe even the first step and show me how I can contribute, I'd really appreciate that. =) Looking forward to working with you all!Doug Hi Doug; Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. The best first step would be to go to our orientation page at: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html and follow the steps outlined there. The first 2 levels will give you a better understanding around how the project works. Then dive into level 3 which by the sounds for you would be Introduction to development. Also you will want to subscribe to this list by sending a blank email to users-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org?subject=subscribe%20users This is not only where development discussion takes place, but also where decisions are made. Again Welcome and I look forward to seeing your contributions to AOO Regards Keith
Re: Update to merge of FAQ's from web site to mwiki
Keith N. McKenna wrote: Keith N. McKenna wrote: Based on extended discussions on this list at: http://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.ooo-dev#query:%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.ooo-dev+page:1+mid:pkyogj4m45anxuxg+state:results. I propose to start merging and updating the User FAQ's from the website into the current structure on the mediawiki (mwiki) and updating the FAQ's already there by eliminating outdated references to version 1 and version 2 and any duplications. If there are no objections in 72 hours I will start merging the entries from the website into the mwiki. Regards Keith N. Mckenna Good day all; Just a quick update to where this mini-project is. I have jut about finished all the modifications to the faqtoc on the mwiki. This is being done through a copy of the template file so as to avoid multiple saves to the template bringing the mwiki to its knees. Once the copy is finalized the changes will be made to the actual template file and saved once. Though tj has told me there should be no major performance hit by doing this I will schedule it probably over a weekend when usage is lower to (hopefully) minimize the hurt when Murphy inevitably bites. I came across the following page http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/FAQ that appears to be a sandbox that was started for developer FAQ's and then abandoned. There has been no development activity on it since 2009. Since many of the faq's on the web site are aimed towards developers, I would like to use this page as an index page for a number of different categories of developer faq's. I someone with a better knowledge and background in development could take a look at the page and if there is anything worth keeping let me know. Regards Keith Evening All; I wanted to get back to this. Due to a change in my daughter's schedule my time was cut that I could spend on this as I babysit my 2 year old granddaughter. Also medical issues with both myself and my significant other have been sneaking in. Work has not stopped, but it has slowed more than I had hoped. The design work of adding new categories and hierarchy are done and work is progressing slowly on the culling and rewording. I will be spending more time on this in the next few weeks to try and get it moving quicker again. Hopefully in the next few days redirect can be set on the some of the categories on the web site to the wiki. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[Discuss] Should this old FAQ around distribution of a JRE with AOO b migrated?
Greetings all; I find myself in need of the collected wisdom of the community on whether to prune one of the FAQ's from the web site or to take the axe to it completely. The FAQ in question is located here; http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-overview.html#11, and has to do with the distribution of the Java JRE with a commercial distribution of OpenOffice. Given that there are certain dependencies of AOO on Java one part of me thinks that some heavy pruning and wording such as /this is an issue best decided between you and your legal representative and point them to links to both the Java License and the ALV2. The more conservative part of me says the interaction between the two licenses creates a minefield that is best avoided by cutting it altogether. I would apprecate any and all thoughts on the matter. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[Problem with Mwiki] Link to list catagories not working
At the bottom of all Create and Edit pages in mwii there is a note to categorize all pages with a link that calls a special page that lists the category tree. It is preset to look at: Category:Manindex Mode: Categories only Namespace: all When called instead of returning the category tree it returns the message Mainindex not found. The page notes that it requires AJAX functionality to work and will not work in old browsers or with JavaScript disabled. I am currently running Firefox 19.0 with JavaScript enabled. This did work before the upgrade and is a good feature to allow people a quick check of Categories available. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Problem with Mwiki] Link to list catagories not working
janI wrote: On 6 March 2013 22:38, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: At the bottom of all Create and Edit pages in mwii there is a note to categorize all pages with a link that calls a special page that lists the category tree. It is preset to look at: Category:Manindex Mode: Categories only Namespace: all When called instead of returning the category tree it returns the message Mainindex not found. The page notes that it requires AJAX functionality to work and will not work in old browsers or with JavaScript disabled. I am currently running Firefox 19.0 with JavaScript enabled. This did work before the upgrade and is a good feature to allow people a quick check of Categories available. Regards Keith The issue is not as simple as I thought, so getting it to work will take more time than I have right now. Can I please ask you to make a bugzilla report, so it is registered, that also allows the other admins/sysop to work on it. rgds Jan I. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Jan; Issue submitted to Bugzilla as:https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121864 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Fact checks for FQ consolidation
Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: I have 2 questions around Bugzilla for the rewrite of the FAQ's. 1: Are we currently using a vanilla instance of Mozilla's Bugzilla, or are we still using the IssueTracker from Collabnet? We are using Bugzilla. I don't know if it is vanilla or not. Thanks Rob my major reason for asking was whether we were still using the modified version IssueTracker from the Sun/Oracle days. There is some excellent additional information that I would like to link to the FAQ that all refers to IssueTracker. I may look into using the cms to change it to Bugzilla to keep consistency. Keith 2: What is the current limit on attachment size for Our instance of Bugzilla? 1000 kilobytes. Thanks in Advance Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A question about existing practices
Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Hagar Delest wrote: if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users decisions Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a user can vote for and votes can be reallocated, so it isn't necessarily true that an old bug has more votes just because it's been around for longer. But it's true that we are not advertising the possibility to vote as much as we used to: many new users are likely unaware that they can vote. I was curious to check my intuition on this. So with a bit of effort I was able to get the following data out of Bugzilla, showing the yearly percentage of enhancement or feature issue types have had at least one vote. So it is showing for issues entered in that year, what % of those issues have received votes. Year %Votes 2002 45% 2003 39% 2004 34% 2005 31% 2006 30% 2007 24% 2008 23% 2009 23% 2010 14% 20115% 20126% 20132% I see a trend here, a very strong one. Plot it and you see a nearly linear trend (r = - 0.98). Older issues have received more votes than new issuers. There could be several reasons for this: 1) Older issues are better issues because they were entered by smarter people. But then the linear trend is then odd. Did people become less smart in such a regular way over the years? 2) Older issues have been around longer so they have had a longer opportunity to be voted on. This very naturally would explain a linear trend. 3) Users have become less interested in or aware of voting. But again, it hard to explain the gradual linear trend. Why for example, would users in 2010 entering an issue not even vote for their own issue 90% of the time, but in 2002 nearly half of those issues received votes? Or it could be that people just got frustrated over time that nothing ever happened and stopped voting or moved on to other applications that better met there needs. The bottom line is that we do not know why it happened and trying to make decisions based on it does not make sense. Regards Keith In any case, this is one reason why I take the old vote counts cum grano salis. For whatever reason the votes are biased toward older issues. -Rob [Rob] Google Moderator was far easier to use for users than BZ is. That is why we received far more feedback with Moderator. I'm sorry that the troglodytes don't like that. Not only troglodytes. Many users interpret the votes in Bugzilla as their opportunity to influence the OpenOffice decisions (and would find offensive to be assimilated to troglodytes). Honestly, except for a couple of occasions years ago when a review of most voted issues was done, votes are scarcely taken into consideration. This is the problem. There is room for improvement here: you once posted the most voted issues, but if we made it regularly and we committed to fixing the most voted issues (or, more realistically, to direct to the most voted issues people who want to help with development or sponsor it), things would improve. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module
Steven Vollmer wrote: Hello, I'm Steve; from Visalia, California USA (Central California) I'm interested in documentation - completely a newbie. I might consider other areas to participate in as I learn more. I have an MS in Education Administration, and BA in Psych. I hope to participate in group projects, and contribute to the documentation projects. Greetings Steve and welcome to Apache OpenOffice. As you are interested in documentation I suggest that you check out the documentation intro at http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html. Also subscribe to the documentation mailing list at mailto:doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org. You will receive a reply with instructions to verify your e-mail address. Follow the instructions and you will receive a second e-mail confirming your subscription. Th doc list is where we discuss the nuts and bolts of the documentation. Regards Keith N. McKenna - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?
Kay Schenk wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: Just tossing this out...It seems Apache Derby is the one SQL-based DBMS in the Foundation. It's actively maintained, and, while it's written in Java, it still works in a client/server model and is therefore probably launchable. Since it's in the family and all, perhaps it can be bundled with OOo, if Base can be structured to use it? Don Well Derby does seem to be embed-able . See: http://db.apache.org/derby/papers/DerbyTut/embedded_intro.html This has been suggested before, as early as 2006. See: http://markmail.org/message/kp5n2d5yzhprgpjm Still, is any embedded DB a good thing? Pros and cons... Kay; The answer depends on one's point of view Kay. For me having the embedded db was one of the reasons I chose to go with OpenOffice when I was researching replacements for Microsoft Works. I wanted to learn more about relational databases and it saved me from adding yet one more application to my system. The advantage I see of having it is that it is available for those times that it is needed. For the secretary of a club or small association that needs to keep track of members and send mailings, or the individual who wants to track his cd collection or his private library. Then there is the support issue of what do we do for those people that have used it and then do not have it anymore. This is not only a support issue, but could become a marketing nightmare as well. I can see the blog posts and more now about how AOO has taken away functionality. Whether it is fud or not, the negative publicity will have an effect on people. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Sidebar merged into trunk
janI wrote: On 10 April 2013 11:48, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: Hi community, the first phase of the sidebar development is complete. The sidebar is now feature complete, ie all panels that are planned for the 4.0 release are now available. More importantly: we have just merged the sidebar branch into trunk. That means that from now on, every build of trunk will contain the sidebar. It is active by default and ready for use. The next phase will concentrate on two things: - Improving usability and appearance. - Finding and fixing bugs. Everyone of you can help with both points: please try out the sidebar and tell us about everything that does not work or that you don't like. If you find an error then please look at [1] to see if something like this is already known. If not, please write a new issue for it. For everything else we have this mailing list. Congratulations with the big work to everyone that participated ! A small question is someone looking at documenting this new feature, including online doc ? rgds jan I. Best regards, Andre --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Jan; The documentation team is planing on adding this to our online user guides. Now that it is has been merged into trunk We can take a closer look on what is needed. Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Sidebar merged into trunk
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/10/13 3:45 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote: janI wrote: On 10 April 2013 11:48, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: snip A small question is someone looking at documenting this new feature, including online doc ? rgds jan I. Best regards, Andre --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Jan; The documentation team is planing on adding this to our online user guides. Now that it is has been merged into trunk We can take a closer look on what is needed. perfect, good to hear that. And having updated user documentation is very important. Does anybody of you have experience with our online help? I am personally no fiend of our help system but I am sure it is used. Would be good to find a way to include the sidebar ... Juergen Juergen; I am not sure if anyone currently active with documentation has any experience with the help system. I am nt a real fan of the current help system that ships with the product, but it is better than nothing. From what I understand from my limited reading about it it is a complicated and unwieldy system to deal with. I will check on the doc list and see if anyone has experience with it. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [mwiki]Pictures are not displaying
RGB ES wrote: If you pick any page on the wiki, pictures are not displayed, not even those from the templates: an error message is displayed instead. See for example here: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/UI but it's the same on any page. Regards Ricardo Ricardo; I noticed that earlier today and filed an issue in bugzilla. You can follow it here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122191 Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: draft blog post
Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_one_year_50 I'd like to get this out today. -Rob Rob; Along with the things mentioned by Don: This information is gleamed from the IP address. - This information is gleaned from the IP address. Otherwise looks good. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposal for sidebar help
Regina Henschel wrote: Hi all, I'm going to write a new help page for the bundled help for the new sidebar window. From a technical point of view it works already. But I'm no native English speaker and therefore my English sounds strange sometimes. So I need your help. I have copied the page into a text document. Find it at http://people.apache.org/~regina/SidebarHelpProposal.odt The first sentence will be the extended help tip. The links will not work in this text document, but will go to the referenced help pages in original. Turn of text and table boundaries to show it the same way as it will be in the help. Please improve and correct the content and sent the file back to me or put your suggestions in a reply here. Kind regards Regina Regina; I reviewed your help file and made a couple of small changes. The big question I have is in the tool tip you refer to the sidebar being organized in decks, but in the rest of the document you refer to desks. Do you mean for the two terms to be used synonymously, or is one a mistake? If they are being used synonymously then we should settle on one term and use it consistently. If they are different entities then somewhere we should define exactly what each one means in the context of the help file. Once this question is answered I can send you a revised odt file of the suggested changes. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question about message on wiki archived pages...???
Kay Schenk wrote:
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
On 11 July 2013 21:47, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
On 11 July 2013 18:47, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a question about the archived message on this page:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_to_x86-64_%28AMD64,_EM64T%29
*This page is archived for historical reasons only
*I think this showed up due to the
{{historical}}
tag added, and dropping the category tags.
I'd like to change the wording on this tag a little. Can someone point
me
in the right direction for doing this?
I can for now tell where you cannot find it :-(
It is NOT in
- the code (message tables).
- special::system messages
- Interface messages
In short I cannot find the text, but maybe clayton has an idea.
I suggest you outdated instead of historical, that gives a better
wording.
i would be happy to if I could find where to change this. I would not only
say it is outdated but also that the links supplied may be outdated or
not directing to their original source. And, that it is unlikely that the
page will be reinstated. Finally, I would say that the page exists ONLY
for historical purposes.
Kay;
{{Historical}} is a template file and is located at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Template:Historical. Although it can be
edited with the proper karma, (I believe you must be a sysop) before
changing it an investigation should be done on any other pages that use
it to see if the changes would negatively effect any of them. I did a
quick check with the What Links Here in the Left sidebar and there are
20 pages listed that would need to be checked. I can help you with this
if you would like as I do have the karma to edit templates.
The I believe the outdated that Jani referred to is also a template
and is located at
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Template:Documentation/Outdated. It
would e referenced in the article as {{Documentation/Outdated}}. I
strongly recommend against eiting this one as there are potentially many
links to it that would need to be checked.
Regards
Keith
rgds
jan I.
Thanks.
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read one good poem, see one exquisite picture,
and, if possible, speak a few sensible words.
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Re: Where to keep release notes?
Kay Schenk wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 07/12/2013 07:18 PM, schrieb janI: On 12 July 2013 18:49, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: In the past we drafted release notes on the wiki, and then moved them to a location on the website. I'd like to challenge our thinking on this. Wouldn't it be useful to keep the release notes as a live document on the wiki, so we can easily update it with additional information on known issues as they are found, especially after release? I see your point, however I disagree. I think the release doc. for 4.0 is part of the release and should be frozen in svn like all other release artifacts. This is done by having it as a static web page. I support the doubts of Jan. The release notes should be seen as an artifact from a release as they describe this. We can also go that far that we write down the SVN revision number into the release notes. Then they are really tied strictly to this release and nothing else. And I did not mean to suggest anything else. The wiki page would be tied to a specific version of AOO, a different page for each version. But it would be updated to reflect the latest info, especially in the known problems section. We can then have a latest information, which are live in wiki. What about to put a link like this at the top of the release notes to give it more visible attention: Text: For the latest information about Apache OpenOffice 4.0 see this related Wiki page. Link: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO400_Lastest_Info Look at it from the perspective of the user. They want one place to go for relevant info related to the release and problems they might encounter. They don't want to hunt around for old versus new info. Those distinctions are not relevant to a new user. For example, imagine Windows 8.1 comes out and causes a problem with AOO4, but there is a good workaround that could save the user much frustration. But the release notes don't mention this. They just say Windows 8 is tested. This is not very helpful. Then new and important / noteable changes can be documented in the (more easily accessible) Wiki. My proposal was to handle this by keeping the release notes on a wiki page so such changes are seen by users with the least effort for them and us. -Rob Arguments either way it seems. Leaving them on the wiki would certainly be good especially for last minute changes -- which have happened. I guess it boils down to -- when a release is announced, where are the Release Notes of record? and if things change -- i.e. *New* Discovered Issues, as opposed to Known Issues in the Release Notes -- should this be kept as a separate entity that is not part of the Release Notes of record? OK, a lot of legal gobbly gook I guess Two separate considerations, perhaps: 1) Whether Release Notes are updated overtime, post-release, based on feedback from users and discovery of new issues? Or are they frozen-in-time, snapshots that never change, but might point to a different page that is updated. 2) What technology we use to create, publish and (if needed) update the release notes. It is possible to have a living document for Release Notes and do it entirely in HTML on the website. It is possible to do it on the wiki. It is even possible to do it on the committer-only CWiki. (Anyone remember that we have that?) NO -- I do not remember or even know anything about this. I think if we utilized that approach, maybe this is an equitable solution. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home This was created when we first started as a podling. But we never really used it. -Rob Let's just go ahead and use that area if you want to move the Release Notes. At some point, we may want to make a copy for the web -- but right now this isn't critical for me as long as the working copy is in a relatively secure area. Time to get our links finalized. I think Confluence may automatically adjust references for those working on this who have the old location bookmarked. The only problem that I see with this is that those of us that are not commiters but have worked extensively on the release notes are effectively shut out. I noticed that th overview of the dev wiki states that you must have a CLA on file. Is that a process that anyone interested can avail themselves of or is it strictly for committers? Regards Keith Since we all seem to like drafting the release notes on the wiki, it might reduce the work if we just keep it there.
[Discuss}{Release Notes 4.0.0]
Given the negative press we have received in some quarters about having dropped language translations, would it make sense to add a notice in the Release Notes for 4.0.0 about languages that were available for 3.4.x but not available for 4.0.0. My personal feeling is that it would be good since it would give us a place to direct user with support questions to for a definitive statement, but I also recognize how controversial this topic can be. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Discuss}{Release Notes 4.0.0]
Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Given the negative press we have received in some quarters about having dropped language translations, would it make sense to add a notice in the Release Notes for 4.0.0 about languages that were available for 3.4.x but not available for 4.0.0. Negative press? Do you have a link? Was remembering a conversation from this list awhile back, mostly rumblings from the blogs. Unfortunately a quick search of the archive wasn't able to uncover anything. May be just my memory is getting faulty with age. Remember, we didn't drop anything. For example, we had released no translation of French 4.0 last week, because 4.0 was not done. Now that 4.0 is done and the translation is done, we can release both. Does that mean we dropped French last week? No it just means it was not ready to release yet. Rob I know we didn't drop anything and most of our users will know it also; however when we due a major release that does not include languages that where there before it will be noticed and commented on. The purpose of this post was not to rehash the minutia, but to solicit informed opinion as to whether an preemptive entry in the languages section of the release notes could help ward off some support requests and to give the people doing the support a place to point concerned people to. When the same conditions are met for other languages, we release them as well. So we're not dropping anything. We're merely releasing the translations that are done now rather than waiting longer for the ones that are still in progress. We did the exact same thing before with AOO 3.4.1. My personal feeling is that it would be good since it would give us a place to direct user with support questions to for a definitive statement, but I also recognize how controversial this topic can be. I added a statement to the release notes explaining that more translations are coming and telling how interested parties can volunteer to help. Is that good enough? Whether it is good enough is not for me to decide but it does accomplish the intent of the initial question. Keith -Rob Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Cwiki: use pictures attached on a different page
Ricardo Berlasso wrote: I started a translation for the release notes as a child page of the release notes itself https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=33295326 But pictures attached to the main release notes page are not displayed on the child page. Is there any easy way to show them? Regards Ricardo Ricardo; I did some playing and was able to copy all of the missing graphics except the sidebar ones with the following procedure using Firefox. 1: Open the English page in your browser in view mode. 2: Open the Spanish page in another window in edit mode 3: In the English page right click on the graphic you want to copy and select copy image location. 4: In the Spanish page highlight the file name of the command that did not work and paste. Because the sidebar ones are thumbnails, the same procdure will not work as the thumbnail can only be created from a graphic that is attached to the page. The only way I found to do this was as follows (again using Firefox): 1: Same as above 2: Open the Spanish page in another window in view mode mode 3: In English page click on a thumbnail to open the the original graphic 3.1 Right click full sizd graphic and select save image as and download it to your local machine. 4: In Spanish page Select Add -- Attachment then browse button on the page that opens and select the file you just downloaded and click the attach button. 6: Repeat as needed. It is know 3:00 AM here so I am heading to bed. I can download th rest of the sidebar graphics and attach thm to the Spanish page later today if it will help you out. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Cwiki: use pictures attached on a different page
Keith N. McKenna wrote: Ricardo Berlasso wrote: I started a translation for the release notes as a child page of the release notes itself https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=33295326 But pictures attached to the main release notes page are not displayed on the child page. Is there any easy way to show them? Regards Ricardo Ricardo; I did some playing and was able to copy all of the missing graphics except the sidebar ones with the following procedure using Firefox. 1: Open the English page in your browser in view mode. 2: Open the Spanish page in another window in edit mode 3: In the English page right click on the graphic you want to copy and select copy image location. 4: In the Spanish page highlight the file name of the command that did not work and paste. Because the sidebar ones are thumbnails, the same procdure will not work as the thumbnail can only be created from a graphic that is attached to the page. The only way I found to do this was as follows (again using Firefox): 1: Same as above 2: Open the Spanish page in another window in view mode mode 3: In English page click on a thumbnail to open the the original graphic 3.1 Right click full sizd graphic and select save image as and download it to your local machine. 4: In Spanish page Select Add -- Attachment then browse button on the page that opens and select the file you just downloaded and click the attach button. 6: Repeat as needed. It is know 3:00 AM here so I am heading to bed. I can download th rest of the sidebar graphics and attach thm to the Spanish page later today if it will help you out. Regards Keith I couldn't sleep so I uploaded all the sidebar screenshots as attachments and know they render correctly. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)
janI wrote: +1 rgds jan I On 17 July 2013 09:40, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, this is a call for vote on releasing the following release candidate (RC2 revision 1503704) as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. This will be an important release for Apache OpenOffice with bigger visible UI changes. It is a key milestone to continue the success of OpenOffice. This release candidate provides the following important changes compared to former OpenOffice releases: (1) a major UI change/improvement by introducing a new sidebar concept where the idea is the comes from IBM's Symphony. It's the combination of reimplementing a complete new framework for sidebars and merging the existing sidebar in impress and code of various content panels from the Symphony grant in OpenOffice. (2) 190 fixes from Symphony are merged and integrated, mainly interoperability issues (3) 600 defects are fixed (4) many more features and improvements are integrated For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes . But keep in mind that the release notes are not yet final and will be updated and polished ... The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary releases for 23 languages) and further information how to verify and review Apache OpenOffice 4.0 can be found on the following wiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOOSnapshot The related and updated RAT scan for this RC can be found under http://people.apache.org/~jsc/aoo-4.0.0_rat/aoo-4.0.0_rat-output.html The RC is based on the release branch AOO400, revision 1503704! Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0. The vote starts now and will be open until: UTC 3:00pm on Friday, 19 July: 2013-07-19 3:00 UTC. But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project members. [X] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org [X] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] added security to avoid changes in artifacts.
Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:03 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: Hi. I have followed the discussions in here, and have seen a number of not wanted changed in our important artifacts happen. I think it is important, that items like our logos, release notes etc. cannot be changed by accident. I believe it happens by accident and that could avoided with a simple measure. It might be useful to think of this in terms of Review-Then-Commit (RTC) versus Commit-Then-Review (CTR) rules. Once we clarify these and when they apply, then we can discuss whether additional technological means are needed to enforce this. For the wiki the general rules is CTR for all users with an account. No additional karma is needed. The for resources in Subversion the general rule is CTR for all commiters. Additionally, the public can submit patches, to the list, attached to BZ issues, or using the CMS anonymous submission tool. This then is effectively RTC since a committer must first reviews the patch. Those are the default postures, but there are exceptions. For example, as we approach a Release Candidate we switch into RTC for the trunk code. We only make changes after a bug has been proposed and approved as a release blocker on the dev list. So we could simply adopt a RTC for certain resources at certain times. For example, Release Notes once a release occurs, are RTC. The project logos, once approved and published, are RTC. If we agree to such things there are lightweight ways of reminding ourselves. For example, we could have a README file in directories that are RTC that explain this. That should be enough for conscientious, well-intentioned volunteers, For the Release Notes I believe that this would make sense. Restricting access while the notes are being drafted would deprive individuals who may not be technically oriented to contribute in a meaningful way to the project. However once a Release occurs they should be frozen except for things lake a re-spin for new languages, new issues for which a work around exists that needs to be communicated, etc. There was an extensive discussion of this in an earlier thread;http://markmail.org/message/zub3ovqoi3zvoxst?q=Where+to+keep+release+notes%3Fpage=3. One of the suggestions floated was to move the Release notes to the developer cwiki that is write restricted to committers, but can be read by anyone. This would appear to be a viable alternative at least for items lke Release Notes that need to be tied to a particular release, but also have the potential to change without a new release. Another possibility that could be used is the setting of restrictions on pages of the cwiki. A quick review of the help show that a Space Admnistrator can define set up a structure for a limited number of people to be able to set view or edit restrictions on a page that will be inherited by all child pages as well. This scenario would work well for the Release Notes. Once the release occurs the Notes are edit restricted to a defined group that can edit them if necessary. Regards Keith I am normally strong against limitations, but I would like to suggest that these items are moved to one (or more) subdirs, where the commit right is restricted e.x. to PMC members or even less. Doing so will not prohibit anybody from making their changes but simply avoid that the changes are product wide. Personally I think this is a RTC versus CTR question. This distinction is a tool that we don't invoke as often as we could. Maybe that would be sufficient, at least in SVN. Also, I think even a PMC member should be following CTR rules when it is in effect. I don't think of a PMC member as a higher class of committer in terms of what they have access to. Regards, -Rob thoughts ? rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module
Scott Robert wrote: I am Robert Scott I was an IT Project manager for the US Department of Justice and now retired. I enjoy writing technical documentation and would like to volunteer for this task. Hello Robert and welcome to the Apache OpenOffice community. We are currently preparing the User Guides for AOO v4.0.0 on our MediaWiki (mwiki) site (http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide) and all help in this large effort is appreciated. As your main interest appears to be in technical writing you would be best to subscribe to the documentation mailing list at mailto:doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org. Follow the instructions in the reply e-mail that you receive and you will be subscribed to the list. All discussions around documentation take place on this list. Introduce yourself there and let us know a little about your background. If you are new to Open Source and the Apache Software Foundation I strongly suggest that you continue though the first two levels of the Orientation Modules as well as the level 3 module http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html. I look forward to seeing you at the douc mailing list and to working with you. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: User Guide area on CWiki
Kay Schenk wrote: Is there any problem with moving the CWiki User Guide area -- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides to the Archive area? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Archive This User Guide area is not current and may confuse interested documentation volunteers. Kay; I see no problem at all with moving that to the archive area. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: preparation for AOO 4.0.1
Kay Schenk wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:26 AM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 13 August 2013 15:14, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, first if all I volunteer to act as the release manager for AOO 4.0.1 if that is wanted but I am also open to let somebody else to the job ;-) It is probably best if you continue, since 4.0.1 is very closely related to 4.0.0, and you already have the build environment set up, etc. +1 In preparation for an AOO 4.0.1 release I have first created a AOO400 tag based on revision 1503704. I have also created a new branch AOO401 based on branch AOO400 based on the head revision of the branch. I noticed that Yuri checked in some code on the branch already. Can we please follow some guideline how we handle such release branches? I would like to propose the following: Changes on a release branch should be discussed before and should be in relation to a proposed and approved fix (if you want showstopper) that will go in the next release. For now that means the branch AOO400 is dead and changes towards AOO 4.0.1 have to be made on the new branch AOO401 and should be discussed first. Or propose the related issue as showstopper first. I believe we agreed more or less to keep the changes for AOO 4.0.1 minimal to reduce the test effort. We should concentrate on the most serious issues only and on new languages or improved translations. Keep in mind that AOO 4.1 is coming as well. Stability is a key feature and every single bug fix can introduce a regression as well. Often not obvious directly. I assume we also want to avoid introducing new UI strings? Otherwise we'd require translation updates on all languages. I would formulate it stronger: we cannot allow new strings, unless it is absolutely unavoidable. Any opinions or comment son this plan. Should we create new Release Notes? Or augment the existing 4.0.0 ones? It might be simpler if 4.0.x releases share the same release notes, but we start with fresh ones for 4.1? Lets share release notes, amend so that is clear what is only available in 4.0.1, and start from a fresh with 4.1 For 3.4.1, which was basically an update release with addtional languages, the release notes were sort of like an addendum to 3.4.0 -- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Release+Notes I think Release Notes for 4.0.1 should be similar but, yes, we need a new page for them. I agree, the release notes for 4.0.1 should have there own page documenting the changes for that release only with a link to the full 4.0.0 notes. Regards Keith I also assume that 4.0.1 will simply overwrite 4.0 exe on mirrors etc. rgds jan I. -Rob Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE] finishing release notes
Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, our vote for releasing AOO401rc3 as AOO 4.0.1 went well and we are about to release this version. Hereby I request everybody to have a look at the current draft release notes for AOO 4.0.1 [1] in order to complete and 'tuned' them. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0.1+Release+Notes I took an editing pass at the release notes, with many small changes. Mainly: 1) Make 3rd party references correct, like Microsoft Windows, or Mac OS X or Apple iWork 2) Cleaned up the list of fixed issues. Some of the descriptions didn't make sense and would be hard to translate. Better to have something simple and accurate. We could link to the relevant BZ issue of we wanted. 3) Small language corrections. One thing I did not understand was the section that said The QE team has been tracking additional fixes as well. See their complete reports at: Is that really useful for users? If there are other fixes shouldn't they already be in the Bugzilla query we link to? I'd recommend taking this section out of the Release Notes unless it is adding something new. That was a section added to the 3.4 release notes which I carried over into the template that I created from those. It appears that the QE folks are no longer using that wiki for the weekly reports and I planned to take it out of the 4.0.1 Release Notes as well as the template this evening . Keith Best regards, Oliver. P.S.: Personally, I am currently not sure about mentioning in the release notes that the performance of the saving .xls files had been improved. Is the claim (230% improvement) accurate? If so we should state it. But maybe list it as a bug fix? Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors
Herbert Duerr wrote: On 01.10.2013 14:03, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: On 01.10.2013 07:14, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Tal Daniel schrieb: But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu). Hi, I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't find a way how to edit that page. It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons? I cannot edit pages in the cwiki either. I was able to do it last week, but this week I can't, because the edit-page option is missing. Is this lock-out a collateral damage of the release notes being protected? The web page says: No edit restrictions are defined for this page. This is under Tools/Restrictions menu item. Do you see something differenent? I'm logged in and that Restrictions page says that: No view restrictions are defined for this page No edit restrictions are defined for this page But the Edit link that used to be on the page (left to the Share link) is missing. That edit link is still visible on a page that I haven't refreshed since last week. I'm sure it will be gone there too if I reload the page. Also the Add link, which used to be between the Share and the Tools link is missing. I was able to edit it (of course). It looks like Andrea was as well. Do you happen to have the admin role in our CWikis? Herbert I can confirm that there is indeed a problem with editing documents on the cwiki. I checked a few documents including this one and the 4.0.1 release notes and all have no edit restrictions set, but the edit button is no longer visible. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors
Raphael Bircher wrote: Am 02.10.13 00:14, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/1 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, On 01.10.2013 17:57, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Herbert Duerr wrote: On 01.10.2013 14:03, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: On 01.10.2013 07:14, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Tal Daniel schrieb: But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu). Hi, I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't find a way how to edit that page. It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons? I cannot edit pages in the cwiki either. I was able to do it last week, but this week I can't, because the edit-page option is missing. Is this lock-out a collateral damage of the release notes being protected? The web page says: No edit restrictions are defined for this page. This is under Tools/Restrictions menu item. Do you see something differenent? I'm logged in and that Restrictions page says that: No view restrictions are defined for this page No edit restrictions are defined for this page But the Edit link that used to be on the page (left to the Share link) is missing. That edit link is still visible on a page that I haven't refreshed since last week. I'm sure it will be gone there too if I reload the page. Also the Add link, which used to be between the Share and the Tools link is missing. I was able to edit it (of course). It looks like Andrea was as well. Do you happen to have the admin role in our CWikis? Herbert I can confirm that there is indeed a problem with editing documents on the cwiki. I checked a few documents including this one and the 4.0.1 release notes and all have no edit restrictions set, but the edit button is no longer visible. For me the Edit button is also not visible. Same here: the restrictions menu says that there are no restrictions, but I cannot edit any page, not even the ones I created. Regards, Ricardo true enough...no pages seem to be editable! CWiki was updated. For me it works again. Maybe you have to logout and login. Greetings Raphael Greetings Raphael; I just tried again with login clear cash logout login again. Still no edit button available. Very strange. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [PROPOSAL] End-of-Life for OpenOffice.org 3.3.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd like to move forward now with this proposal from July. I've updated the EOL page here to say that OOo 3.3.0 and earlier are no longer supported. That page also explains what this means. http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol.html I'll start to do the other 3 items now. I'll coordinate with Oliver on the update notifications. And here is a draft of the landing page we'd send users to who have an older version of OOo if there is not an AOO version in their language: http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol-nl.html Regards, -Rob Rob; I would suggest that you re-order the list of alternatives such that the non-recommended item is the last entry such as below: Download Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1 in another language that you are familiar with. Sign up for our announcements mailing list so you will be notified of new languages and releases when they become available. Volunteer to help translate OpenOffice into your native language. (Not Recommended) Continue running an unsupported version of OpenOffice This puts the non-recommended option further from the initial line of sight of the reader thus (hopefully) lessening the likelihood they will grab onto it as the preferred alternative. Regards Keith Of course, help on any of these items is welcome. Regards, -Rob On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/7/19 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org We currently have this link from the download page,from 2009, announcing end-of-life for OpenOffice.org 2.x: http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/eol.html I'd like to update that page to also state that 3.x version prior to 3.4.x are also end-of-life. Why? We're unlikely to issue any more security patches for 3.3.0 or earlier. So the concrete proposal is: 1) Update the eol.html page to state that OOo 3.3.0 and earlier are no longer supported. 2) Create a new landing page for users of OOo 3.3.0 and before who are using a language version that we do not yet have a translation. Explain in this page that the earlier versions are no longer supported. List what translations are currently available and where they can be downloaded from. Give information on how they can volunteer to help translate AOO into their native language. 3) Configure the update notification server to OOo 3.3.0 users to this new landing page, if their language is not already translated. (Where there is a translation we already point them to the download page) 4) Blog post/announcement on end-of-life for OOo 3.3.0 and earlier. The end result is that: 1) We made it clear what versions are supported. 2) We did our due diligence to reach out to users of older versions. 3) We encourage new translation volunteers. No rush on this. It does not need to be done at the same time as the 4.0 announcement. It can follow a week or so later. -Rob +1 - Shenfeng (Simon) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJScDi2AAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCBWgIAKBTlZUBr7pzUr+AztM6dRRF 8lpQsYTUuOgXuyRNCoPXc+gW/A7UC4r2OgVNWdS2jRgs5S2IjgAaR3bfv/ncojIX x4HrXL5dDnW8v9rshBwewfgj+x6gDuFiP4ARkiq6Kz7XiztL4Knt57/Jo0xMEkzL DjPvTewEprqZOWSEIar6haMMP4gV1LgFmG4wCwcwCFMSZerCbAlsZa44C37gIUcp /PLzblxuYqDYYWEDzgvcqQHOwBSX/oZW4Wwc+es5LuLcZqUOhoDxrVciQoUcw61i fkZGvg64RL5qG/Qf3jxoIKFUqbBSVHR1BbNHThbj+KWO5InYZIIFODKMFEJwZyY= =gMXI -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Humpherys wrote: Hi, My name is Mike and I'm interested in getting involved with the Apache Foundation projects. I'm currently leaving in eastern Iowa. I've got some experience in C++ and I'm interested in doing some work in programming and documentation. I'm just trying to figure my way around the website to see where and how I can contribute. Thanks! ~Mike Humpherys Greetings Mike; Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice community. For more information on contributing to our project you can go to our orientation pages at http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html. There you will find both general information about the project and how it operates and introductory information geared to different areas such as documentation, development etc. I would strongly suggest that you subscribe to this mailing list so as not to miss any other replies. To subscribe send a blank email to mailto:dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and then follow the instructions in the follow-up e-mail you will receive. Regards Keith McKenna -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJScEF7AAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCguAH/R31HGygrzxCIxdcrJVzTmGK rPj/Rw8x1hGcqtJTTsfyFzxcX8rNhHTTGef+89AgPAgUuoyCd2r5gZl9xen/zmc+ RgqPs6CJDOiBJHyeewtOpPwyjb7xyJkaCvgnc30CbaO44Ska3beV+oZxbevez1sQ gruvKYvaPIsOZcs9pHW77/3Ac1TiDWhl5TNNGu3MS0cYbYNRb7yvlCZ3O8wjUMgQ Q27eRQUS9f19vXj0YKLSpJN8hN5oT9WnlRAeKVzWP0TO+Xo1QMwvO48tjQErv7K/ NXJFSH8vQ0xwPGlRBMYTY2BwmdDXoTQk2p8ZkqNdlNrpM1bLnySRmhF0L24mCvo= =avgR -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. Yes I believe that it would make sense and would add to our reputation for actively supporting native languages. It would make more snse So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). It would make more sense for it to be 4.0.1 unless there were critical bug fixes that would justify a 4.0.2. The only potential glitch that I see is handling the release notes. I have a couple of ideas that I will lay out in a separate thread if we decide to go ahead with a language only release. Regards Keith Regards, Andrea. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSdpViAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCBUEIAJsZ4L1VznYd3eM66QdCQfi3 fN/v+488QzGVjWDqSTL77S0AXI/+AdnWpi8uTTiS86VRlVU+JpVxSLXyiOp7XqZH llF/4gqYtZgCat7GqLrN7b377H0mY2VkCGfMy1W/1CeypDYtimvSA29Uaan0TQhU B+kssxfXZeRGg+6EL5odHKvFaYEN+q/01GFTvK7+TFaW7x5Z1rkK5MoVn07TeQUC /myU1l+m9UJ3TtA6MRKai+tqCLkUzUnFLgWoSh+oo1l6o6wGd1HYdmwL6adT7Nvg 9KidA6AhJjHSsR9quKqGbaaFHSv5RKNfHvjcVYWNZO9C+Jwva5sywcOFqEz5j7U= =8n2C -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Updated migration guide?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Weir wrote: I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me know. Target audience includes: 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide their own technical support. 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to OpenOffice 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on migration strategy Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there is anything close that could be updated. I saw that we have a few older versions of this kind of document: 1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004) http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf 2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006) https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide 3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006) https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version? Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is? Or was it generated from the wiki? I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on. Regards Keith I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide. The tasks would be mainly: 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice. 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms supported, file filters, etc. 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO. 5) General technical and editorial review of the content. Any other ideas? Regards, -Rob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSgVMHAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCckAH/iVw3d9/pr10DyDMgxk/Z26c tq011s+F/CkV5XbPbkLc/VTvZqiwG07dYdrkzUb1e+WTdVHHanUoyZwK8MJpK6YS xxkhJGQlIWuN2ctMxJC7/kQI34J/CpZSXOmj0Y0jhImxdefX7n3+QT6jjk4CDWaZ UF/fBcSyjnbi4jHg4lm4vmH4F1ts8FckLfsSLspGDfm5aHVv+CZ1ltAckUu2cbiY jEfBJQZnrhcsTVXzROQxv/9Z5AWaKFA4R5+ctfU3j3ytwO7QDrNuwtro6YPGerZT H/LhfNxIG62g3KVvox/z5pZreOt5U7kuur67J/B3jelP2kO48SuREmuEgQAyKw4= =X7xh -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Updated migration guide?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Graham Lauder wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Rob Weir wrote: I'm thinking of starting to create an updated migration guide for AOO. If you have any thoughts on this, or want to help, let me know. Target audience includes: 1) Individual Microsoft Office users, where such users provide their own technical support. 2) IT departments who support users migrating from MS Office to OpenOffice 3) Groups considering moving to AOO and wanting some guidance on migration strategy Rather than starting from scratch, I looked around to see if there is anything close that could be updated. I saw that we have a few older versions of this kind of document: 1) Migration Guide: A guide to ease your migration to OpenOffice.org from other office suites (2004) http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/manuals/oooauthors/MigrationGuide.pdf 2) OpenOffice.org 2.0 Migration Guide (2006) https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide 3) OpenOffice.org Migration Guide (2006) https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/7/79/0600MG-MigrationGuide.pdf Does anyone know of anything more recent than the 2006 version? Does anyone know where the source for the 2006 PDF is? Or was it generated from the wiki? I believe that all the documentation for Version 2 was done on the wiki and was then made into PDF's using an add-on. OK. If I wanted to start a new revision of the guide, without wiping out or replacing the old version, is there any way to do this? For example, is it possible to make a copy of this page and the subpages? https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Migration_Guide I don't see how to do this. Perhaps it requires admin rights? -Rob Ack Sorry, GMail defaults can be a pain... as I was trying to say It shouldn't be too difficult, I think that you can do this using the move tab, you can rename that and the subpages as well although that's not a copy per se. I'll see what I can do, just may have to revert, if it all turns to custard tarts Cheers GL Graham; Using the Move command will rename the pages to the new namespace and set a redirect on the original to the new pages. One word of caution. Those pages are covered by the CCBY license. The only way I now to redo those pages under an alv2 license would be to start over from scratch and not use the prior pages at all. For me it makes much more sense to just update the pages with current information and keep the license as is. However I bring it up as some people have rather strong opinions about using other than the alv2 license. Regards Keith Regards Keith I don't think it would be extremely difficult to update the guide. The tasks would be mainly: 1) Update branding, logos, references to websites, ownership, license, etc., of OpenOffice. 2) Update screenshots to current UI of AOO 3) Update any technical content that has changed, e.g., platforms supported, file filters, etc. 4) Write content for new migration-relevant features in AOO. 5) General technical and editorial review of the content. Any other ideas? Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSgsCeAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCPNsH/38LW+DR5OTAENWa6wJCYcOA ZJMVKOAroBRRVWDtf625v+Le58jHeWpg09MrLMy60JTMYxud8j2R1Ur6PBv3Xxam GzVUx12XszDF4peb/sGvK8XuIODqQqWLaIZApAIGczCTNmmu9Bopu6leoqMTYFdh IUAFYPkxmZyJs1I4m0ne2XqZmXSyjvVKEmVovyuiGjROgyb+hiS2NLTw11qAbGfm Bx4FUfRP5LI57sN2uMpbaXrPyX+6sWRvK9UkoNlfAe4ai4piX4216YPlSfnihG3p jKscC2DfBMyxWzpl9z2Qv952woX3RhuIL5Gud+9k6wyzWq0YF5P1su19oG97s/E= =1gc0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Building comphelper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steele, Raymond wrote: Herbert, Let me know if you did not get the attachment. -Original Message- From: Steele, Raymond Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 3:29 PM To: 'Herbert Duerr'; dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Meffe, David K Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: Building comphelper Herbert, We are having trouble interpreting the boost preprocessor macros. We are receiving the following output when compiling sal/osl/all. I've attached the output as a pdf. Raymond -Original Message- From: Herbert Duerr [mailto:h...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:14 AM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Steele, Raymond; Meffe, David K Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Building comphelper Hi Raymond, On 21.11.2013 22:27, Steele, Raymond wrote: Forget about my last report. We started over and figured out that an environment variable was causing the dmake issues. Once we cleared the environment of variables related to our other projects, the build took off. We will have to figure out what it was later. Thanks for debugging and solving that problem! The current way of configure writing a file for setting environments variables is too fragile. As can be seen in your example if configure is run in an environment that is already contaminated with such env vars then unnecessary causes of troubles exist. IMHO build and config settings should be done via e.g. Makefile.config that should be created by configure. This config result should then be included by the other Makefiles. So if in doubt better use a fresh shell before running configure. Herbert Raymond; The list strips most attachments. The best method to share would be to put it on-line with a link to it in separate reply to the list. Regards Keith -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSnTeqAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCL1IH/jfVz8UYC6Z5FEHqN6NYlDHa 27Jpcc2QPWk20CA5Wb7Psj7W6EWPrAOCx5lBTNlDiMojxUYjswCBMP09kA4BiyCE fYZXK1tiLzbs2/YlYvNjf7RCWfE//dIpXMAoe0L17bSIR7dEPFD8b9ItrebD780e /wa6FN0DRVZ4PbzWXm3opKoDMwIvrjofTIffRvz3WJoJO364iY7S09NSGI6cyc7Z s+TdM/tcJpw0tr2XozgDPJGcReY2C2gechiZ5ox1YDHqXMjuk9MOR8xqcijLnTys rqL+SzIovTgBfb/IhAQARCq774B5vn4vM8qk7A9yrhugvCQ4MhP89qbmTjerZY8= =RfR3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: draft blog post: Call for Comments: Apache OpenOffice Distributor Best Practices
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rob Weir wrote: https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=call_for_comments_apache_openoffice This idea has been in my queue for a while. I'd like to push it out now for public comment, and based on that try to get a new distributor page set up by January. -Rob Rob; Change is the leader free and... to is the leading free and... Change CDs to CD's. In the last paragraph; Change wide Apavh Community to wider Apache Community. Other than that it looks good. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSn40+AAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCdQEIAKZI9G5JX3BBHPkIq3Qsh7eF G96bsatFtIgjmTy5hR2k5N5G1mHiPkvFSzaFjuNCWZWPDDHXhbfUHVYjdxWFn2Vd F1PwfNGXGKFCw1CehjGN6eMOAKfp2pYvnNdtEdrET/AJSOoVNa+h5RFZr8RyVttS UoO/Q8TTrb2TizzmfqPI2K2d3afBvG9RtxB+dDr5VBfCtTiapHxbo6MQBUCzT+ab C38tU/ObsufBE1NZGnwO4BqP0QagtzH1B9l/vWjBfGaRAnUGK2sDcAtUMQ2T9NPE wb+oLapp5NRBA0HNJZQXE9PL11EVKuHHc19ueLP9a0bRZdx69VHpI2fd++uqh4U= =UAoo -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Newbie documentation volunteer introduction
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 swh...@frontier.com wrote: My name is Steven Hupp. I would like to help out with documentation. My aim is to get more experience with technical writing. I have subscribed to the dev, doc, user and announce mailing lists. I am making my way through the new volunteer orientation materials. I live in Elkhart, Indiana. I am an Online Technology Assistant at the Elkhart County campus of Ivy Tech Community College. I help students and faculty with Blackboard learning management software and have tutored computer skills, writing and even a few beginning programming students. I have a Bachelor's in English, some training in programming and database administration, and a lot of informal poking around software to get it to work or to help someone else get it to work. I am willing to learn and ready to help with whatever needs to be done, as far as documentation is concerned. Any help along the way is appreciated. Steven Hupp Greetings Steven; Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. Your help and skills will be very useful in the documentation effort. The first thing to do if you have not is to introduce yourself on the documentation list. That is where all things concerning documentation are discussed. I look forward to seeing and working with you on the documentation list Regards Keith -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSsLK4AAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCohEH/1QzVPlwEXakX+gXpcamTpcI iA/utkhcPKekKYNjx1HpIj8RT45aw6PuJ3+DKdIcij1iRcEqsJu1eU8aleTwJaDC 1XIAW+AaCRLU+MwmHfoLKAglzXfspvm9NZmAa3cqrwDNCgjT9af4J3sh2F0TK9df sLdrwkjkqCfTWORDWcKqquTwWEGSz4xssrDNz8C8alGaLkyUIS494FgSoj2a0ARY 5VmskkU95+CyRoLyc+HS6OSHPqiwoxLRhaAgWzoQdxvSJ4/ku1ZTLeJCOK2AVZG4 0cNWKvnTTMwfUxZeU/wY6qzcLJNKw9terbH3EuqMoeA0TtMXpf3y6i9dPdCgugE= =ClvA -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Southwest Media wrote: I cannot find an acceptable contact for my problem with open office and I HATE forums they are for lazy companies who do not want to service customers.. I have a question who at this organization can I e mail my question too?? I cant stop this crazy thing from trying to self correct and its doing it all wrong so I take half an hour to type a sentence this is NUTTS!!! What is wrong with this thing??? Please tell me who in tech I can e mail director I can just go find a soft ware competitor First understand that this is not a company. OpenOffice is open source software created and maintained by volunteers under the auspices of the Apache Software Foundation. Therefore there is not a person that you can send questions to. There is nothing wrong with it, it is simply proceeding under the default autocorrect options. These options can be changed by the user. In Writer go to Tools-autocorrect options and set the options you want on the different tabs. Regards Keith McKenna -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSwgxtAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCox4H/AqxDW/bwfA8UT4784viktw8 ZKOHnfXMSxRtAwtdfc4AN1uMPVP/edKFueBr9xQ9BuPpCIjUNVFUGad261wMtSEn csxJK2ExTtRjHyl5sguuKMP5yAMaXsUILpeo9IUKaZrGZdkP2rcAvVnNlUQp3ZxQ BXJmSv4lNR6m+Q8sVDY92Vkan3VFhf9C9e4R73JyoZKpFfCrHkAsYzy3bAfnLG0U 2z/h5yYu5MqToH1xDMa9tHU27A2xrjDrS6YsAAJdV6c3PnIyKTvMozLp+Ge+d/Xc Hai9eOrzkA7ySvWqUiB8sgaXpHCCzK1SEEq2beYzXz6BueA46KOtNhWsIUhTfg8= =N9ar -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Performance measurements on Mac vs others
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 31.12.13 18:48, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: Hi I am in a disucussion with a friend about how slow is OpenOffice for Mac since it relies on X11. I thought that X11 was no longer needed and an aqua version was provided, but it seems this was not true since reading the FAQ it says that X11 is included with AOO -- hence the dependency still with the display manager. Do you have a link to this FAQ. This most be a realy old one. No we need no X11 on Mac OS X http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/faq/installing/X11.html X11 comes pre-installed on Mac OSX 10.5, so you can install OpenOffice.orghttp://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/faq/installing/ooo.htmldirectly. Alexandro; Your first link contains extraneous characters as shown below thus giving 404 error when trying to access it. http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/faq/installing/X11.html%E2%80%8B when snipping off everything after the html then it opens a very old FAQ dealing with the old Mac porting project. Right at the top it says that X11 is not needed with Aqua! These FAQ's are very old and I suspect quite outdated. Regards Keith snip -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSwxdKAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCkKEH/0K32C7x/Q+f2Xbde8tKhQ1o QoYtnEmNI7uFYVmPnXTu2rBe8MZUmM1bX2Earm3rk/NRyDNmw7n41TMBSk/wpJW/ ZLs0fCWOUnUKY2h6Iv0R/WknmlywoF06J9EUd6hY1VeeSOmkmiEcgIgjEAdlxU9O 6Le/AqaZ1fZcssvVerEXJVDGX2goezQ2YjyEL+89IGYYjDNJjxPo5TYgH6dafkaU JwoACfdrb1LPFqmKn91AmRxNicH3bjz7FlLoiZP61igw9aeivP1b4vtjt61wseiC mGjebqK3VDcYIL/SCBW+rg/9uM7vWMJR0hvB0FUJ2TI+n3BipMFa7BfY+AnxJFI= =JSU0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bataski Bailey wrote: I have a Mac and i’m getting the reopen error. Can you please help? I’ve tried googling the issue but can’t seem to access the folders needed to solve the issue. You need to delete the file org.openoffice.script.savedState. It is in the Saved Application State folder in your User/Library. See this post on the user forum for detailed instructions: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=55755#p244931 Regards Keith N. McKenna -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSywyLAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCABUH/0NoHfycNnhW2TYj62vTRx4r 3qQSvE6TzCRsb2LemUsn4ajxqNvQ15Z6YeidvUBrrz71zNRvp+cEbkBO5J5UqM0K +GWLG6C1p4ufEnS6L3Ic1p6c4gbrGW4gwJQFn2/6FZw5IOfklof+UR1ybdTeowvR R6icu7AAHkM10TnLe7pqniy9DiotMLew/xGtw4OV19jhdlkQZrz5yAXjiG+Qc+c5 or0nw7VpnWBWfBOdd2XD0YysFLebOYkO6vqZ7w90uAoxDtKfTv880xQs01v4JRIc 4QUuU4YlLACBb3W8XgwfOK96VoY0fyvbCkT387GNkfrqZFKhq34MHbQ8M4zSoDU= =k1aD -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: OOXML support in AOO
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, the OSBA OOXML improvement use case 4 - comments/annotations on text ranges - had been addressed for AOO 4.1. For further details have a look at the draft of the release notes for next planned release. Best regards, Oliver. Jorg; A quick reference if needed for the section of the Draft release notes. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes#AOO4.1ReleaseNotes-Comments/Annotationsontextranges Regards Keith On 27.01.2014 18:33, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, How far are the results of intitiative [1]: better support for OOXML in LibreOffice / OpenOffice meanwhile been integrated in AOO? Greetings, Jörg [1] Review, see: http://www.osb-alliance.de/en/working-groups/projekte/ooxml-filter/projektergebnisse-ooxml-filter/ Results see (in English): http://www.osb-alliance.de/fileadmin/Working_Groups/OfficeInteroperability/Project1/2013-09-17_OSBA_Press_Release_OOXML_Project_Finished_EN.pdf - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS58ZfAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCVLgH/2TU3MNPgXuEuo7Bly8nhmpb 2YS9L/wMQI/1tQhbMqdUhC+s9R8wasZhNNEq+9T5O4Edsb23c1PNBAuH0Fy9J+cc g+6SSQdbJD9TCmiXH16JHAbgMXPEHwYm0p2Y9CvPUG21FwdBxRPiHt+1/HGOZAnq UV2HB10uZ96qX6GWC0DfQ5ne4S4/4tcp9PSf7txeckVDrZRKi47fV/M6WCaUy0ws FNgneUXFeYJV7epeYayHzAb3PGw7qH8RJsDh5RArkG/KviKGguhTvpoIhogqKKxa UlJn1ZTv9M/usYP1CfeB/1XGn/c0aHXqfrH0D2h4uxuIkc7TJX9ntyUtCjEndtg= =lhMZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto Bernardin wrote: I USED THE 4.0.0 version for several months and it was a good experience. Some days ago appears a dialog window I cannot close it, and I cannot save anymore the hold files with a new name, I cannot print in PDF FORMAT any new documents. Sorry but I have to solve the problem very fast I do not have any other possibility: I have to cancel OPEN OFFICE because it does not work properly. I installed the new verson 4.0.1 and it is like before !! I cannot use OPEN OFFICE ANY MORE IF YOU DO NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT THE FORUM i foud some other user with the same problem !! Could you please help me to solve the problem in the faster way as soon as possible? BEST REGARDS ROBERTO BERNARDIN MACHMER INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING UHLANDSTRASSE 134 10717 BERLIN -- GERMANY Roberto; Without knowing the wording of the dialog window and the Operating system and version that you are using it is difficult to precisely suggest the best course of action. However this sounds very much like a known issue with Apple's OS X. If you are using a mac then the following may help. You need to delete the file org.openoffice.script.savedState. It is in the Saved Application State folder in your User/Library. See this post on the user forum for detailed instructions: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=55755#p244931 If the above does not help please get back to the list with the contents of the dialog box and the operating system and version that you are using. As you are not subscribed to this list I have cc'd your email address as a courtesy. Please direct all communications to the list and not my e-mail address. Regards Keith -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS8RXhAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBC9K0IAI/ifrdrUMvti+Rt8gRvQtZO nj4XInGd8EJUf+4QwdvEDp7Eo7yrKDsea5otcbMbnvYfnyIhULzwDqXU7LK5eHky rMz5CPJ1rqy6iRZuNhieX7tCKt1UJlb94NTShM74FQ+ht4k5zFVBkgoJcY4eUzv/ I2NM7LaZKieeOkP8EsnxY477CmZqM/2k7FnGTLaIPerlZ6tw+rYUIH2MduBPpnmM D5kI29//Ge8VtuHpiugOUz/LlePmLqL2Hz1VP6wYgUH7AGAxmVUC8eJOhVnKfABo QSIWmzmkZRfjmnOwZE7/XlTJ/W5LbnHY83tfxA6xc3ei86uFa0iFqWWVt72b+3s= =d/K+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[Release Notes] Is Java 7 still a known issue with 4.1.0
The Release Notes for 4.1.0 still list a potential problem with Java 7 being reported as defective and a recommendation to install Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable or fall back to Java 6 if that dos not solve the problem. Is this still a problem or can that section be removed from the Release Notes entirely. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: stupid program
Jenifer Watkins wrote: I hate Open Office—I have tried to fix it, I have a Mac OSX 10.9.1 and I know OO has a bug and I have tried to fix it, got to the library and deleted the folder, but still can’t shut down OO and, therefore, can’t update any other application. I have looked all over the internet, have spent hours trying to get rid of this travesty, and I think this is totally irresponsible of this company, free or not, to NOT fix this easily. This makes Windows look like child’s play—at least you can uninstall programs…..am very disappointed with Apache and OO. It is probably going to cost me money to get my computer back….Jenifer Watkins Jennifer; You need to delete the file org.openoffice.script.savedState. It is in the Saved Application State folder in your User/Library. See this post on the user forum for detailed instructions: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=55755#p244931 This is a known problem with OS X and has been addressed in the upcoming 4.1.0 release that is know in beta test. For more information please read the Release Notes at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0.1+Release+Notes#AOO4.0.1ReleaseNotes-KnownIssues. Apache OpenOffice is not a company it is open source software that is developed by volunteers under the auspices of the Apache Software Foundation a charitable foundation dedicated to creating software for the public good. Regards Keith N. McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
Charlotte Tuengen wrote: Hello I live in Norway and speak Norwegian. The OpenOffice Apache 4.0.1 isn’t released in Norwegian yet, so I’m trying to download it in English. That is not possible at all. It just says that “Apache OpenOffice 4.0.1 for Windows (EXE) and Norwegian (bokmal) is not available.” How can i download Apache 4.0.1 without the Norwegian spelling program? Charlotte Tuengen Charlotte; This link should bring you to a page containing links to all available languages: http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html. From there choose the windows version for English (US). Norwegian (bokmal) will be available in the upcoming 4.1.0 release. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC4)
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [X] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... Only problem I have found is with send as e-mail though this appears only to effect Windows XP. Still not anywhere near a reason not to release. Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 14/04/2014 Rob Weir wrote: https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html There is also these FAQ's on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Why do we have two places for FAQs? I'm sure there was a good reason once... Back at the time only a few people had write access to the website. So it was easier to maintain stuff on the wiki, since everybody could contribute there. The FAQ page on openoffice.org has a nice URL but it's totally outdated (the latest changes were done by me, but just to add an outdated notice for people who came from search engines). Ideally, the FAQ section on the wiki should be reviewed, even though it's already much better than the one on the site, and then maybe moved to the site. Regards, Andrea. Andrea; The FAQ section on the wiki is more up to date as I took on the task a year ago to update it with the relevant FAQ's from the website. I thought I had sent a mail to the list to have the relevant one's from the website redirected, but I apparently never sent that. Obviously the whole question is opened again as to where they should reside. I have categories all ready for the Developer FAQ's. I did not touch them as part of the original clean-up as I do not have enough knowledge in that area to pick and choose which are still relevant. If the decision is to move them to the wiki I will be more than glad to do the grunt work of rewording them, I just need some assistance from the developer community as to which ones are still relevant. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: My Introduction
Jupiter Weinman wrote: Hello Members of Apache OpenOffice, My name is Matthew Weinman. I am interested in gaining knowledge and experience in the field of technical writing. I am a published author of fiction, which I know is much different, and have recently graduated from a small college with an English degree. I know very little about the field of technical writing, but feel with my background I would be able to develop the skills necessary to make a career in tech-writing. Since I've never been in a group such as this, I'm wondering, How do I even get started? The, 'Introduction to Contributing,' page advised me to send an email to this account, then, I would be on the mailing list. I'm excited to start and any information on the field of technical writing would be much appreciated. Thank you. Sincerely, Matthew Weinman Welcome Matthew; First let me apologize for the lateness of this reply. Unfortunately your original got lost in the fairly hi volume traffic of this list. If you are interested in joining the documentation team I would suggest the following page as a starter. http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html. This is the orientation page for the Documentation team. I also highly recommend the level One and Two pages from http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html. They give a good overview of how the project is structured and the infrastructure that it utilizes. Your background in English will be a great help as we need editors to review and make changes in grammatical structure and the like. Some of our writers do not have English as a first language, and some of us, mostly myself, are native speakers, but are not always expert grammarians. I look forward to working with you. Regards Keith N. McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE]: final preparation ....
Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, assuming the vote for AOO 4.1 will pass successful today we should be prepared to have the final release bits in place. Pre release 1. upload the files to SF (I will take care of it) 2. prepare announcement email (I will take care of it) 3. update the download mechanism 4. wait until the official go for the release ;-) (all) Post release 1. release blog post 2. feeding social media I have 1 and 2 ready to go. -Rob 3. update the update mechanism Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org ...and final editing of Release Notes https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes ummm.. .the BZ fixed bug search seems to be missing at this point (??) -- - MzK Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller Kay; I just checked the Release Notes and both links to the Bugzilla search resolve fine for me. Which one was giving you the problem? Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE]: final preparation ....
Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, assuming the vote for AOO 4.1 will pass successful today we should be prepared to have the final release bits in place. Pre release 1. upload the files to SF (I will take care of it) 2. prepare announcement email (I will take care of it) 3. update the download mechanism 4. wait until the official go for the release ;-) (all) Post release 1. release blog post 2. feeding social media I have 1 and 2 ready to go. -Rob 3. update the update mechanism Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org ...and final editing of Release Notes https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes I thought the Kazakh translation did not make it into this release? -Rob Rob; I checked the Bugzilla issue and indeed it never got completed enough to be released. I have removed it from the release notes. Keith -- - MzK Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: need wiki help
Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 04/29/2014 12:18 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 29/04/2014 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: our release notes are under https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes but the download page generates a link based on the complete version 4.1.0, means https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.0+Release+Notes The best way is to use an alias (Insert - Other Macros). I tried but it isn't working for me. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if our cwiki has problems. I left the broken alias in the page, in case someone figures out how to do it properly (it's invisible unless one is editing the page anyway). Me too. Maybe the macro is not correctly configured. - It's not listed in the sub-categories. Only when listing All or searching for it. - When entering the term @self for telling to use the current webpage as root webpage, I get a list of files even not located in the AOO project. I'll try to ask tomorrow my colleague @ work. Marcus Just an FYI in case it was not seen by others. There is now the following text in the release notes where the alias has been set. The license could not be verified: There is no license certificate installed for CustomWare Redirection Plugin for Confluence. I believe that it will cause confusion among people reading it in that it appears with absolutely no context just below the links to follow the project on Twitter etc. My first reaction would be to remove the alias until such time as we can determine how to configure the macro properly. However not knowing the impact it could have I felt it best to check in here first. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PROPOSAL][RELEASE]: remove 4.1.0 beta from Sourceforge and from Aapche dist
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, removing 4.1 Beta from dist is natural but I would like to propose that we drop remove the 4.1 beta from the SF server as well. Any opinions?he usefulness of the beta has exop Juergen +1 The usefulness of the Beta has expired so there is no reason to keep it alive on the mirrors. Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Misleading Mac message
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 01:48:38PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/30/14 1:42 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: A User on en-Forum has posted this: After receiving notification of the availability of Open Office 4.1.0 Where did he get the notification? The update mechanism supported by the application itself hasn't been activated, AFAIK. This is only entry on the thread at https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17t=69463 I agree that this is confusing and we have to improve this. We should try to avoid update notifications for older systems but it's not so easy. Well, the update feed has a way to tell the application architecture with inst:arch, so that inst:archX86_64/inst:arch for MacOSX will be the same as removing the whole MacOSX entry, because all previous MacOSX installations are x86; this will of course disable all notifications for MacOSX. Another alternative is to create a special page for MacOSX users and add it inst:update, so that user are not directed to the download page, but this special page explaining the situation, because It is documented in the release notes but we all know no one reads them, the proof is https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119006 for the Restore windows problem on Mac OS X Another broken thing in MacOSX are C++ extensions, I have seen any mention of this in the release notes. Ariel; If you can you point me to any discussion of this problem for MaxOSX I will add an action item to my to-do list to make a mention of this in the release notes for the next release. Regards Keith Regards signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Misleading Mac message
Andrea Pescetti wrote: Keith N. McKenna wrote: will also start another thread here as to whether we should add it to the 4.1 notes. No need to discuss it. The Mac OS X C++ extensions compatibility is clearly something that must be added to the 4.1 Release Notes. The Known Issues are our way to tell users about changes that confused other users. We have already added items to the Known Issues in the past and we can do so for 4.1 too. Regards, Andrea. Andrea; Agreed; am off to the c-wiki to add the issue. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Misleading Mac message
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Keith, On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 02:14:00PM -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Another broken thing in MacOSX are C++ extensions, I have seen any mention of this in the release notes. Ariel; If you can you point me to any discussion of this problem for MaxOSX AFAIK there hasn't been any discussion on the topic, but is a logical consequence of switching the arch. from 32 to 64 bit. I will add an action item to my to-do list to make a mention of this in the release notes for the next release. The scenario is the following: - the user installed in 4.0.* an extension based on code written in C++, for example the PDF Import extension for Apache OpenOffice. OpenOffice and the extension code are both 32 bit on MacOSX - the user upgrades to 4.1.0, which is now 64 bit - OpenOffice 64 bit will use the same user profile as the previous 32 bit version, there is no profile migration; thus this profile contains a 32 bit extension that will not work with the new 64 bit OpenOffice. The Extensions Manager will display the 32 bit extension as disabled. Regards Ariel et al ; One question. Am I correct in assuming that the only fix is for the extension developer to re-write the extension for 64-bit for MacOSX? Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Broken Bugzilla link in Release Notes
Andrea Pescetti wrote: Our 4.1 release notes https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Notes contain a link to Bugzilla for a list of fixed bugs https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=doremremaction=runnamedcmd=AOO_410_Resolved but the list does not work for me at the moment. If I am not logged in, it prompts for a login, but if I open the link while logged in I get an error: The search named AOO_410_Resolved does not exist. Can it be fixed? Thanks, Andrea. Andrea; I changed that link to match the one used in the General Comments section. The one you had trouble with was saved search I had shared with registered users. If for no other reason than consistency the two links should point to the same information. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE] No multimedia support in MacOSX
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi, Please some native English speaker add this item in the Known Issues section of the 4.1 Release Notes https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124800 Regards Hi Ariel; I will gladly update the release notes, but first let me make sure that I understand the issue. If I follow all your links back it appears that the problem is directly related to the Quicktime API having been removed in the MacOSX SDK 10.7 which is now the base for AOO. Is this essentially correct? If it is then just some words around further investigation needed for a fix. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE] No multimedia support in MacOSX
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Keith, On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 02:02:17PM -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Please some native English speaker add this item in the Known Issues section of the 4.1 Release Notes https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124800 I will gladly update the release notes, but first let me make sure that I understand the issue. If I follow all your links back it appears that the problem is directly related to the Quicktime API having been removed in the MacOSX SDK 10.7 which is now the base for AOO. Is this essentially correct? If it is then just some words around further investigation needed for a fix. Herbert sure can explain the technical details, what I could understand is that the Quicktime API (QTKit framework) has been deprecated in favor of the AV Foundation framework, see https://developer.apple.com/quicktime/ https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/technotes/tn2300/_index.html Deprecated does not mean removed, may be the plug-in can still be built; but anyway let's keep it simple for the users, and don't give the technical explanation why the feature has been removed, but explain the consequences (the known issues): - existing documents containing audio and/or video: the media cannot be played; the Media Playback toolbar appears when you select the media, but pressing the Play button does nothing - it is imposible to insert new audio and/or video, you don't even get the grey image-placeholder - logically, the sounds from the Gallery cannot be played nor inserted In short, there is no support for inserting/playing back video/audio in MacOSX with 4.1.0. Regards Hi Ariel; As usual your explanations are both succinct and cogent. The nuts and bolts technical details I am sure would be far beyond my pay grade. As I am not a programmer I just wanted to double check my reading of all the links. I am off to the c-wiki to start a hopefully simple and understanding statement of the problem. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE] No multimedia support in MacOSX
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi, Please some native English speaker add this item in the Known Issues section of the 4.1 Release Notes https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124800 Regards I have updated the 4.1.0 Release Notes on the c-wiki for this issue. Only problem is that for whatever reason the c-wiki will not allow me to create a link to the Bugzilla Issue. When I enter the address and the link text in the boxes and press insert nothing happens. If someone else could try and create the link it would be greatly appreciated. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Volunteer Information
Jake Thomas wrote: Good afternoon, My names Jake Thomas, from Victoria Australia, and well I guess I am looking to help out. I have completed introductions lvls 1 2, and am in the process of reading over lvl 3. The main area i would probably be able to assist in will be documentation, although testing different areas for bugs is also an area of interest. The time I have available each week varies between 3 - 10 hours per week, depending on whether that makes a difference. Jake Welcome Jake; If you are interested in helping with documentation then I would suggest you read the Level 3 Introduction to Documentation http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html and to subscribe and introduce yourself to the documentation mailing list. To subscribe send a blank email to mailto:doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org, then follow the directions in the follow-up e-mail you will receive. After you subscribe send a short e-mail introducing yourself to the list at mailto:d...@openoffice.apache.org. Do to anti-spam measures on the m-wiki the self registration has had to be suspended. In your introduction e-mail to the doc list, please specify the user name you want and one of the admins will create that account for you. Regards Keith McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Volunteer Note
Thomas Erickson wrote: Hello! My name is Tom, and I'm pleased to be a new volunteer QA analyst! I recently (April of 2014) received my certification in Software Quality Assurance and Testing, but am looking forward to honing my skills with hands-on work, My background has most recently been in paper Records management, but before that I worked in Customer Service, and before that I worked in a College library. Thank You for this opportunity, Tom E Welcome Thomas Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [MWiki] Account creation
Jay Roaf wrote: Hello! New volunteer here. Could you please set up a user account with username faszikam? Thanks. Jay Roaf Greetings and welcome Jay. Account faszikam has been created on the mwiki and a temporary password has been sent to your email. Regards Keith N. McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Volunteering with OpenOffice Documentation
Bailey Naas wrote: Hello All, I'm hoping to get involved with documenting OpenOffice. My degree was in computer science, so I have a lot of programming background, and I just received a certificate in technical communication. I am excited to expand my skill set, so please let me know what I can do to help! Thanks, Bailey Naas Greetings Bailey and Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. For more information on volunteering for Documentation please see our Introduction to Documentation orientation page at http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html. Regards Keith McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question for the Open Office for Android and blind users?
Marco Retzlaff wrote: Hello, i think, that my question isn't right here, but this is the best place I think. Is the Android Version of Open Office fully compatible with TalkBack (The Screen Reader for blind users in Android)? I'm blind myself and this is a very important question for all blind users. If not, will this get implemented in future? Thanks for your help! Best Regards Marco --- Diese E-Mail ist frei von Viren und Malware, denn der avast! Antivirus Schutz ist aktiv. http://www.avast.com Marco; The Android version, called AndreOpen Office is a port by a third party developer and is not an official release of the Apache OpenOffice project;(see http://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html). As such it is not supported directly by the project. It is available from https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice and there is a link to email the developer at the bottom of that page. He should be able to give you more details on your question. Regards Keith McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module
Sara Montecino wrote: My name is Sara Montecino, and I am looking to gain experience in technical writing. I am a 3rd year English major in the San Francisco Bay Area, have a particular passion for gaming, and believe technical writing to be a good foundation to build my career. I have currently have no foundation in this particular writing field and am searching to build new skills and gain expertise. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org Greetings Sarah and welcome to Apache OpenOffice. You have started out in the right place by using our orientation pages. If you are interested in volunteering with the documentation team you should definitely read the documentation orientation page at http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-doc.html if you have not already. I see that you are subscribed to the documentation mailing list already. That is where most communication for the documentation team is done. I hope to see you on the doc list and I look forward to working with you. Regards Keith N. McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [RELEASE]: propose a AOO 4.1.1 bugfix release as next release
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, over the last weeks we have seen some bugs that seems to be serious enough to provide a AOO 4.1.1 bugfix release. Well this is at least my opinion and I would like to volunteer again to manage such a bugfix release as acting release manager. The issue 124985 [1] can be seen as a meta issue where we have started to collect potential candidates for a AOO 4.1.1 bugfix release. If nobody has bigger concerns or arguments against such a bugfix release we can continue with a more detailed planning, like schedule, milestones, QA, detailed selection/proposing of blocker issues etc. I would like to keep the effort minimal because the main work should go into a future release 4.2? It really depends what we can achieve when, you all noticed the ongoing OOXML project that we drive and we will not enable this work when we are not satisfied that it is a good alternative and replacement for what we have today ;-) But before we continue I would like to hear other opinions. Juergen [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124985 +1 Looking at the meta issue it appears that a 4.1.1 bug fix release would be appropriate at this time. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Introducing myself
On 7/9/2014 12:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: ...and plase subscribe to the dev list, or you will miss answers, including Jan's and mine below! http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html Andrea Peter; Along with Andrea's and Jan's excellent responses if you want to register for a wiki account send your preferred account name as a reply to this thread and one of our admins will create the account for you. Because of spam attacks we have had to disable self registration to the m-wiki that that Andrea refereed you to Regards Keith McKenna Andrea Pescetti wrote: Peter Kelly wrote: I note the currently-limited OOXML support in OpenOffice, and would like to learn more about the current work being done on this, and contribute to these efforts. Welcome! https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/OOXML_Framework has some recent information. If you would like to see this, I'd be happy to register on the wiki and begin writing. Account PeterKelly created. You will shortly receive a temporary password by e-mail. Regards, Andrea. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [MWiki] Account creation
On 7/31/2014 2:48 AM, David Elliott wrote: Please create a wiki editing account for me with the username dissembly. (One of the pages has information that is completely incorrect and has caused me quite a bit of grief today, I'd like the chance to fix it so that the actual correct information is out there.) David Your mwiki account has been created and log-in info has been sent to this email account. Welcome to Apache OpenOffice. Regards Keith N. McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New Volunteer/Introduction
On 7/23/2014 11:35 PM, Sarah Spiers wrote: Hello everyone, I am a sophomore studying Writing, Literature, and Publishing at Emerson College in Boston, Massachusetts, though I am currently petitioning to create my own major combining Writing and Video Game design. Volunteering for OpenOffice is not for a class, but I hope to apply the experience I gain to my academic pursuits. I have experience with and am interested in writing, marketing/communication, and basic graphic design. However, I am more than willing to help with anything else. I am a quick learner and will do my best. That being said, since I will be studying abroad in Europe this semester, I can only volunteer 5-7 hours a week of my time. However, when I return home this December, my availability will increase. I hope to work with all of you for a while and become a valuable part of the team. Thanks, Sarah Spiers Hell-o Sarah and welcome to Apache OpenOffice. Our documentation team is always looking for people to help with writing and editing our user documentation. We also have an active marketing team. If you haven't seen them already you should look at our orientation pages at http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html. They will give you some background and an introduction to the many ways that you can help. Again welcome and I look forward to working with you. As a courtesy I have cc'd you as you are not subscribed to the list. Please reply only to the mailing list. Also consider subscribing to the list so as not to miss other replies. To subscribe send a blank e-mail to dev-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org and follow the instructions in the reply you will receive. Regards Keith McKenna signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Building OpenOffice on illumos with gcc
On 8/6/2014 6:42 PM, Paul Gress wrote: On 08/ 6/14 02:01 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: On 08/06/2014 02:37, Paul Gress wrote: On 08/ 5/14 02:45 AM, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: On 08/01/2014 19:27, Alexander Pyhalov wrote: Hello. I've just integrated OpenOffice component into OpenIndiana /hipster illumos distribution. I'd like to share some patches and to ask if they could be converted to bug reports, feature requests and which of them can be integrated. Could someone comment this? Hi Alexander, I use Solaris 11.2. Is there a way to package this to install on 11.2? Maybe tarred? http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net/openoffice.tar.gz I'm not sure it will work on Solaris 11 as is. Success, see below images. It appears to be functioning correctly as you can see there are no startup errors. Although I did notice one small nagging thing, the spell checker still doesn't work, as it stopped working also in 3.4. The last version it worked was in 3.3 compiled previously by Sun. Some people mentioned about Java labeling. Paul; Most spell check problems can be solved by resetting the profile. See the tutorial on the forum at https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426#p58403 . Regards Keith Anyway, I'm going to place it into the /opt directory properly and use it. I'll report if there are any other problems. Thanks!!! Paul Openoffice_4.1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
