On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 at 13:38:42 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe
wrote:
On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 at 13:34:11 UTC, Szymon Gatner
wrote:
@ Adam D. Ruppe: Where should we ask questions and post
spotted issues regarding your pretty great book?
Packt's website has an errata section somewhere
On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 at 13:34:11 UTC, Szymon Gatner
wrote:
@ Adam D. Ruppe: Where should we ask questions and post spotted
issues regarding your pretty great book?
Packt's website has an errata section somewhere, I can't find
it now because they redesigned the site, but a lot of
On Thursday, 29 May 2014 at 12:39:23 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Thursday, 29 May 2014 at 07:51:30 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Looks like this got junked. -- Andrei
hmm, that was my first time ever posting to reddit so maybe
that's why. Regardless, when the dconf talks come around I'll
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 16:51:56 UTC, Mattcoder wrote:
Question: But any mistakes like those founded will be updated?
Just heard back: maybe on the pdf, probably not on print due to
it not being worth the cost. Most likely they'll just be some
eratta listed on the site.
On Thursday, 29 May 2014 at 07:51:30 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Looks like this got junked. -- Andrei
hmm, that was my first time ever posting to reddit so maybe
that's why. Regardless, when the dconf talks come around I'll
post the link in those comments too and that'll hopefully make u
On 5/28/14, 10:34 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I just posted it to reddit btw:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26pn00/d_cookbook_officially_published_consists_of_d/
Looks like this got junked. -- Andrei
On 5/28/2014 10:34 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I just posted it to reddit btw:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26pn00/d_cookbook_officially_published_consists_of_d/
Just snagged my copy!
I just posted it to reddit btw:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/26pn00/d_cookbook_officially_published_consists_of_d/
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 16:51:56 UTC, Mattcoder wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 14:06:33 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 08:01:00 UTC, Mike James wrote:
I'm looking at getting the ebook version - does that version
include the errata described above?
Yeah, those
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 14:06:33 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 08:01:00 UTC, Mike James wrote:
I'm looking at getting the ebook version - does that version
include the errata described above?
Yeah, those errors were in the .doc I sent in after revisions
on chapte
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 10:00:01 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 19:58:10 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
On 5/6/2014 9:11 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 08:01:00 UTC, Mike James wrote:
I'm looking at getting the ebook version - does that version
include the errata described above?
Yeah, those errors were in the .doc I sent in after revisions on
chapter 1 and we didn't catch them in the final draft. But the
subsequ
On Wednesday, 28 May 2014 at 09:06:12 UTC, Alix Pexton wrote:
On 28/05/2014 9:00 AM, Mike James wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 14:20:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 13:27:56 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Will epub version be available too?
Yeah, I think it is already
On 28/05/2014 9:00 AM, Mike James wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 14:20:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 13:27:56 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Will epub version be available too?
Yeah, I think it is already on the packt website.
I'm looking at getting the ebook versio
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 14:20:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 13:27:56 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Will epub version be available too?
Yeah, I think it is already on the packt website.
I'm looking at getting the ebook version - does that version
include the errata
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 16:38:51 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I just agreed with Packt to write a foreword for the book. --
Andrei
I just read the foreword. It's great!
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 13:27:56 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Will epub version be available too?
Yeah, I think it is already on the packt website.
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 12:59:59 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 12:05:43 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 11:57:05 UTC, Daniel Kozak via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
I mean there is a lot of typo (for e.g. multiple ';' chars at
the end of line, import std.s
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 12:05:43 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 11:57:05 UTC, Daniel Kozak via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
I mean there is a lot of typo (for e.g. multiple ';' chars at
the end of line, import std.stdio : writeln;;;)
Blargh, the code got screwed up s
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 11:57:05 UTC, Daniel Kozak via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
I mean there is a lot of typo (for e.g. multiple ';' chars at
the end of line, import std.stdio : writeln;;;)
Blargh, the code got screwed up something nasty through the
revision process (chapter 6 especia
I mean there is a lot of typo (for e.g. multiple ';' chars at the end of
line, import std.stdio : writeln;;;)
on page 2,6,8,10,14 ...
On page 19:
static Vector fromPoint(float[2] point) {
import std.math;
Vector v;
float x = point[0];
float y= point[1];
v.magnitude = sqrt(x ^^ 2 + y ^^ 2);
v.di
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 11:43:32 UTC, Kozzi wrote:
I am reading it now, but there is a lot of errata :(.
Well that's a good thing about PDF, because you can fix it and
update the version online.
Matheus.
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 11:43:32 UTC, Kozzi wrote:
I am reading it now, but there is a lot of errata :(.
What do you mean?
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 10:00:01 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 19:58:10 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
On 5/6/2014 9:11 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it
On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 at 10:00:01 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 19:58:10 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
On 5/6/2014 9:11 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 19:58:10 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
On 5/6/2014 9:11 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it is.
> [snip]
Sounds awesome!
Jus got mail from PacktPub: D
On 5/6/2014 9:11 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it is.
> [snip]
Sounds awesome!
On Monday, 5 May 2014 at 12:34:18 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
We're publishing in about two weeks now so it won't be long
until the real thing is out anyway!
Just preordered the ebook, waiting to read that :)
On 3/3/14, 8:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I just agreed with Packt to
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 15:28:01 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Everything sounds great, really can't wait. Coming from C++ I
am really interested in resource management. I still can't find
myself in non-deterministic d-tor / GC world (and recent
discussion on removal of d-tors entirely isn't help
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 13:39:51 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 13:19:09 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Holy s**t, that is a lot! How did you manage to fit all this
in 337 pages?!
Each individual item tended to only be about 3 pages, some
shorter, a few longer (I had a fair
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 13:12:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it is. Each one is shown
through examples (with a few exceptions where I couldn't think
of a good example but
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 13:19:09 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Holy s**t, that is a lot! How did you manage to fit all this in
337 pages?!
Each individual item tended to only be about 3 pages, some
shorter, a few longer (I had a fair chunk to say about ranges and
reflection, not so much to say
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 13:12:01 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it is. Each one is shown
through examples (with a few exceptions where I couldn't think
of a good example but
On Tuesday, 6 May 2014 at 12:40:48 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote:
Any way to see the TOC?
Hmm, not on the website yet but here it is. Each one is shown
through examples (with a few exceptions where I couldn't think of
a good example but wanted to discuss the principle behind it
anyway):
Chapter
On Monday, 5 May 2014 at 12:34:18 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
We're publishing in about two weeks now so it won't be long
until the real thing is out anyway!
Any way to see the TOC?
We're publishing in about two weeks now so it won't be long until
the real thing is out anyway!
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
Con
On Friday, 18 April 2014 at 23:03:54 UTC, Jason King wrote:
Packt is having a 1/2 price ebooks sale, so if you haven't
gotten this yet, now would be the time. I just did.
Yes, I did it too.
BTW it now has a cover image, that's a painting my brother did
called "View from Phobos", seemed appropriate :P
Wow! :)
Aye, and I just finished the first draft this week, now doing the
second draft and it is moving along at an excellent pace, I'm
pretty sure we're going to release earlier than expected on the
website.
BTW it now has a cover image, that's a painting my brother did
called "View from Phobos", se
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
Packt is having a 1/2 price ebooks sale, so if you haven't gotten
this yet, now wou
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On 6 March 2014 14:17, Dejan Lekic wrote:
I've just pre-ordered it, on Amazon. ;)
Hurry up! :)
Cut the reviewers some lack! :)
Some lack of speed ;-)
On 6 March 2014 14:17, Dejan Lekic wrote:
> I've just pre-ordered it, on Amazon. ;)
> Hurry up! :)
>
Cut the reviewers some lack! :)
Already planned to translate it into German? :P
On Thursday, 6 March 2014 at 14:17:57 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
I've just pre-ordered it, on Amazon. ;)
Hurry up! :)
Me too, @Amazon UK!
Looking foward.
I've just pre-ordered it, on Amazon. ;)
Hurry up! :)
--
http://dejan.lekic.org
On Wednesday, 5 March 2014 at 13:06:48 UTC, Suliman wrote:
Do you mean low-level code like drivers?
Sort of. This chapter is one of the ones not yet written, but my
plan is to show how to boot to a D program and interface (in a
minimal way) with the keyboard (requires an interrupt handler)
a
On Monday, March 03, 2014 16:37:48 Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the
> last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the
> publisher's website:
Oh no! Now, I'll have yet another programming book that I'll have trouble
getting aroun
to bare metal code
Do you mean low-level code like drivers?
On 3/4/14, 2:35 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 3/4/2014 12:46 PM, Max Klyga wrote:
On 2014-03-04 19:14:13 +, Vladimir Panteleev said:
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:58:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The Net is definitely in a bad mood today. My reddit submission
shows "1
comment" but the
On 3/4/2014 3:04 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
but I kinda wanna just finish it all by myself then maybe take a look at
the prior art to see how wrong I was :)
I like to do that too :)
That's what I tried the first time I ever did any parsing (it might have
even just been lexing at that point). W
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 22:29:31 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
3 hours? Try a week or two.
Yeah, I believe it now. Got close with my int version (shifting
the fractional portion by the exponent... works great until it
overflows adding up the bits). Tried a version with floating
point math (c
On 3/4/2014 12:46 PM, Max Klyga wrote:
On 2014-03-04 19:14:13 +, Vladimir Panteleev said:
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:58:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The Net is definitely in a bad mood today. My reddit submission shows "1
comment" but there's no comment to see. It also appear in
On 3/4/2014 10:57 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
It's a much harder problem than one might anticipate.
It might work better for CTFE to notice that the floating point formatting
function is being called, and instead of interpreting that function, do its own
workalike. Certainly that'd be a he
On 3/4/2014 12:04 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:56:50 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
It's a much harder problem than one might anticipate.
Indeed, I started it last night figuring I could slap something together in 30
minutes to do the job... now I've spent over thre
On 2014-03-04 19:14:13 +, Vladimir Panteleev said:
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:58:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
The Net is definitely in a bad mood today. My reddit submission shows
"1 comment" but there's no comment to see. It also appear in "new"
submissions but not in "hot" subm
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:56:50 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
It's a much harder problem than one might anticipate.
Indeed, I started it last night figuring I could slap something
together in 30 minutes to do the job... now I've spent over three
hours on it and it still isn't quite rig
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:58:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
The Net is definitely in a bad mood today. My reddit submission
shows "1 comment" but there's no comment to see. It also appear
in "new" submissions but not in "hot" submissions.
I don't see it in http://www.reddit.com/r/prog
On 3/4/14, 10:39 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 3/3/14, 8:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming
On 3/4/14, 10:41 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:39:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Announced:
Ah, cool, I almost forgot!
BTW my brain is currently on something that might be of interest: I'm
writing a little float to string function. Phobos currently uses sprintf
On 3/4/14, 10:57 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 3/4/14, 10:41 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:39:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Announced:
Ah, cool, I almost forgot!
BTW my brain is currently on something that might be of interest: I'm
writing a little float t
On Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at 18:39:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Announced:
Ah, cool, I almost forgot!
BTW my brain is currently on something that might be of interest:
I'm writing a little float to string function. Phobos currently
uses sprintf which can't be run at compile time and is
On 3/3/14, 8:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
Announced:
https://www.fac
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 18:39:34 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Adam D. Ruppe:
My goal is to act as a nice complement to Andrei's book, not
to repeat it, so while I do cover a lot of language features,
I try to do them in the context of bigger picture tasks. So
hopefully, the books can go together
I'm excited to check it out! +1 preorder
On 03/03/2014 11:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I was hoping to have i
On 3/3/2014 11:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
Sounds awesome, congrats
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
Cong
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 22:36:29 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
On 03/03/2014 09:24 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
>> I was hoping to have it finished in time for the D
conference, but the
>> publisher
>> thought that was too soon to be realistic and it is looking
like they are
>> right...
>
> Dang, we co
On 03/03/2014 09:24 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
>> I was hoping to have it finished in time for the D conference, but the
>> publisher
>> thought that was too soon to be realistic and it is looking like
they are
>> right...
>
> Dang, we could have set up a table for your book.
He should bring ear
On 3/3/14, 8:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I thought it's implied sinc
On 3/3/14, 8:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
Let's share this on reddit
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:37:48 -0500, Adam D. Ruppe
> wrote:
>
>> As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last few
>> months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's website:
>>
>>
>> http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook
On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:37:48 -0500, Adam D. Ruppe
wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last
few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's
website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I w
Damn, soon I will need to actually think before choosing what
book to recommend to newbies! :)
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 18:33:32 UTC, Francesco Cattoglio
wrote:
I see there's a "sample chapters" tab, which is empty right
now. Can we expect some preview chapter coming out soonish, too?
I don't know when, but eventually, yes. They'll probably wait for
the first draft to be done (a month
Excellent! Congratulations! Best of luck finishing the book and
publishing it!
Adam D. Ruppe:
My goal is to act as a nice complement to Andrei's book, not to
repeat it, so while I do cover a lot of language features, I
try to do them in the context of bigger picture tasks. So
hopefully, the books can go together and reinforce each other.
Congratulations Adam :-)
Now a
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I se
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I wa
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I wa
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
This
On 3/3/2014 8:37 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the last few
months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
Congratulations! This is a
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 17:06:36 UTC, Meta wrote:
Will the book also be available on Amazon?
Yes, closer to the release date.
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 17:11:59 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 17:06:36 UTC, Meta wrote:
Will the book also be available on Amazon?
Yes, closer to the release date.
Great, I'm excited to read it.
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I wa
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I wa
On Monday, 3 March 2014 at 16:37:49 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over
the last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on
the publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I wa
As some of you might know, I've been working on a D book over the
last few months. It is now available as "coming soon" on the
publisher's website:
http://www.packtpub.com/discover-advantages-of-programming-in-d-cookbook/book
I was hoping to have it finished in time for the D conference,
but
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