I also successfully updated the FW of my spare Touch and Radio *without*
registering them to mysb.com. On the Touch the 'left swipe' didn't work
to abort registration during the initial setup, but - as gharris999
mentioned - disconnecting the WAN line from the broadband modem finally
let the
I don't know about hardware players because I don't have any, but I've
installed LMS 7.7.2 without needing to have a mysqueezebox login (I
don't have one of those either).
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I've NEVER registered on mysb.com, and had no problems setting up
Transporter, SB2, SB3, Duet, Controllers and Raspberry Pi+Squeezeslave.
I can't comment on setting up a Touch, Radio or Boom - never owned any
of those.
Mind you, I run SBS 7.6.1. If later releases of LMS *do* require
connection
pablolie wrote:
I dispute that - the install will not proceed without the
mysqueezebox.com user-pwd info.
I managed to set up and update two out of the three SBTouches that I
recently acquired without using any access to mysb.com. I unplugged my
broadband modem for the whole install process
To me, the only important thing is that Logitech releases an open source
version of the code that allows the devices to run without
mysqueezebox.com. The user community can probably take it from there.
For that matter - where is the source code for LMS? I have looked online
and it isn't easy to
pablolie wrote:
To me, the only important thing is that Logitech releases an open source
version of the code that allows the devices to run without
mysqueezebox.com. The user community can probably take it from there.
For that matter - where is the source code for LMS? I have looked online
bobscomp wrote:
did not logitech buy this product from the original producer, and should
not someone buy this back from them. I will offer my Management services
and experience to anyone willing to help with the cash to do this.
Logitech still USES all the technology behind it in the UE
pippin wrote:
..
The code is all open Source. The stuff that is not open source is
graphics/logos/text.
You can't expect all the 3rd-party interfaces to be open source. As of
my experience, all of these require proprietary interfaces to 3rd party
APIs (after all, that's what they are
pablolie wrote:
I have not taken a look at the LMS PERL code -and I am not a PERL
programmer, but it reads quite well as a rule. It's not the 3rd party
APIs that would seem the problem to me, though - the whole point about
an API is that it hides inner complexity, i.e. to stream Pandora I
azinck3 wrote:
That's essentially what LMS *is*. A username/password on
mysqueezebox.com is not required.
true. But from what I've read around here recently, with a setup of the
duet after a factory reset, there seems to be no way to get past the
setup without the mysb.com connection. Don't
Not sure about the controller but the Duet Receiver can definitely be
setup without MySB, e.g. using Net::UDAP or SqueezeConfig
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but rather merely invoke their published methods in my program.
That's the API.
And most services, e.g. your mentioned Pandora, regard this as a trade
secret and do NOT publish it but require you to keep it confidential.
In LMS, it seems to me, all 3rd party APIs are
pippin wrote:
It's the new player models that require MySB. And it's in their built-in
root firmware, you can't get it out of there, no matter what they
release now. You can add a firmware that doesn't need it (and that would
be simple because SqueezePlay is open source, too), but once
pippin wrote:
Not sure about the controller but the Duet Receiver can definitely be
setup without MySB, e.g. using Net::UDAP or SqueezeConfig
No problem I recently tried this with my controller ( and documented in
another tread ) I made it work in several,different ways .
( the short story
garym wrote:
Now I'm a bit confused. I thought with a TOUCH and RADIO, for example,
it asks for mysb.com info, but one can swipe left (or something) to skip
this step and still use such devices connected to one's local LMS. Are
you suggesting that one can't use these newer players after a
pippin wrote:
Does that work after a factory reset? Have to try try it out.
FYI tried that with a controller it worked .
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Then: what's the problem?
Just new, uninitialized devices?
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Then: what's the problem?
Just new, uninitialized devices?
if this is true (regarding issues with new, uninitialzed devices), then
the recommendation some make to setup their spares in the box with
mysb.com, etc. and then put away is a good suggestion.
garym wrote:
if this is true (regarding issues with new, uninitialzed devices), then
the recommendation some make to setup their spares in the box with
mysb.com, etc. and then put away is a good suggestion.
Even then I don't think there really is difference vs a factory reset
device .
What
Mnyb wrote:
Even then I don't think there really is difference vs a factory reset
device .
What happens is when you actually try to connect an already registered
device is that *mysb.com* ask if you wan't to reasociate it with an
existing account it does this due that it recognises the mac
azinck3 wrote:
That's essentially what LMS *is*. A username/password on
mysqueezebox.com is not required.
I dispute that - the install will not proceed without the
mysqueezebox.com user-pwd info.
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pablolie wrote:
I dispute that - the install will not proceed without the
mysqueezebox.com user-pwd info.
Now what? Everybody else up there in this thread claims to the opposite
with people saying they have tried it. Did you actually try the left
swipe to get around that or is this just that
did not logitech buy this product from the original producer, and should
not someone buy this back from them. I will offer my Management services
and experience to anyone willing to help with the cash to do this.
this is clearly a unique product, Sonos does not even come close to the
quality and
I'm extremely disappointed with this decision.
I've got five Squeezebox devices and am personally responsible for
people purchasing at least nine others. Those people never would have
bought those devices based on what they saw in store - they bought them
after I showed how powerful the system
Hello,
I own 2 logitech radio's and run my own server. I'm very dissappointed
in logitech for taking this decission. Another person (50+ in age) even
bought a logitech squeezebox radio after seeing mine in action
(synchronized) during a visit.
I don't completely understand why they're doing
erland wrote:
Posting complains or require more information about the reasons behind
shutdown Squeezeboxes isn't going to get us anywhere.
fully agree, there is only one way to get further support - to give
Logitech a hint about something they possibly missed in their planning.
My comment on their blog is still awaiting moderation too :-(
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HeadBanger wrote:
My comment on their blog is still awaiting moderation too :-(
And mine. I didn't really expect an answer, but used the post as an
opportunity to express my concerns to them.
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Money, money, money... - Nothing actually new at least Logitech openly
talks with the community. Very much appreciated!
Hosting our requests for internet radio requires some computer power and
a big one. It does not matter where servers are: in amazon or somewhere
else this is just
Surely, the simplest internet radio access could be provide by an
'independent' Tunein plugin - one which doesn't reference the central
servers? I can't fathom why Tunein, as is, needs to contact mysb.com
castalla's
castalla wrote:
Surely, the simplest internet radio access could be provide by an
'independent' Tunein plugin - one which doesn't reference the central
servers? I can't fathom why Tunein, as is, needs to contact mysb.com
Yes thing seems to be the biggest thing in the code I have
*sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way , my latest comment is
still awaiting moderation ?
why is this question a problem:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Thanks for clarifications .
Can the rationale for ending the squeezebox system as we know it be
explained ?
I can
Mnyb wrote:
*sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way , my latest comment is
still awaiting moderation ?
*
I have a comment awaiting moderation since 9/29. I think it is lost at
this point, sometimes I see it there (with the awaiting moderation note)
and other times I don't even see
Mnyb wrote:
*sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way , my latest comment is
still awaiting moderation ?
why is this question a problem:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Thanks for clarifications .
Can the rationale for ending the squeezebox system as we know it be
Mnyb wrote:
*sigh* I really must rub those guys the wrong way
They can't answer your questions without exposing internal company
information.
If they provide an answer, they won't provide the details you want, so
there is no point waiting for an answer.
My suggestion would instead be to try
Logitech have fully supported the online capabilities of Wilife security
cameras since they replaced them with the incompatible Alert system 2
years ago. My guess is that they'll take the approach with Squeezebox
and UE. In which case, you should have no worries.
MeSue wrote:
Not as far as I know.
Thanks. Let's hope they do better with LMS and the software players.
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Thanks. Let's hope they do better with LMS and the software players.
Is that to finally ensure they have given all their commercial value
away.
What a business, software players on a free Internet service, with a
free standalone server. And you people wonder why it's not
DaveWr wrote:
Is that to finally ensure they have given all their commercial value
away.
That's one way of looking at it; but it's their choice. Personally I
can't see the point of selling a combined hardware/software product then
keeping the software to yourself when you stop producing the
pippin wrote:
Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new
infrastructure just for a re-branded radio?
This is Logitech, so I actually don't find it hard to believe that.
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pippin wrote:
Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new
infrastructure just for a re-branded radio?
I expect they'll be coming out with a much cheaper, non-battery
radio-like player. Someone recently mentioned that they've gone back and
are trying to finally get the bloody
JJZolx wrote:
I'd expect a device that looks and works better as a bedside
clock/radio.
Oh, great. Another Chumby. I can't wait.
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radio-like player. Someone recently mentioned that they've gone back and
are trying to finally get the bloody thing to function half-way reliably
as an alarm clock, so I'd expect a device that looks and works
gregklanderman wrote:
On October 3, 2012 JJZolx JJZolx.5jvelc (AT) no-mx (DOT)
forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
radio-like player. Someone recently mentioned that they've gone back
and
are trying to finally get the bloody thing to function half-way
reliably
as an alarm clock, so I'd
azinck3 wrote:
I'm curious what you mean by this. Can you elaborate? Being able to
schedule multiple alarms and target specific days of the week is very
powerful. Squeezebox devices are, by far, the most flexible alarm
devices I've ever used.
I use a Boom as an alarm clock and love it
On October 3, 2012 azinck3 azinck3.5jv...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com
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I love my boom as an alarm clock, only big issue is the assumption in
the alarm UI design that there are never days which are exceptions to
my normal schedule, but in fact there are often multiple per week.
I'm
gregklanderman wrote:
On October 3, 2012 azinck3 azinck3.5jviuo (AT) no-mx (DOT)
forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
I love my boom as an alarm clock, only big issue is the assumption
in
the alarm UI design that there are never days which are exceptions
to
my normal schedule, but in fact
On October 3, 2012 azinck3 azinck3.5jv...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com
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Thanks for the details. Yeah, I've had some of the same thoughts myself
but haven't totally sorted through in my mind what the best interface
might be. I can imagine some very powerful functionality, but have
Ikabob wrote:
LOGITECH is a very reputable company and I do not believe they want to
injure their reputation by breaching their word to so many trusting
consumers. They'd have a lot to lose credibility-wise in the future. So,
I believe the director of products, an official representative
It seems like the some more blog comments now have been moderated, at
least a few more is now visible including some answers.
There wasn't much news, but a few things were clarified:
- They actively plan to support mysqueezebox.com for the foreseeable
future, so people who are worried it will
Logitech builds cool and well constructed hardware, but if the device
relies on software stay away - the products that depend on code
eventually fall behind the curve and Logitech does not seem to have the
resources or consistent coding practices to keep up fixing it, so they
loose interest
erland wrote:
However, the next step for Logitech is now to show if they are really
committed to support Squeezebox users and make the new UE product line a
success or if the answers are just empty words.
Next step? How so? What does Logitech gain from continuing to support
Squeezebox?
erland wrote:
They will not provide an upgrade path for the Touch or any other
Squeezebox except for Squeezebox Radio. Hopefully this means they have
an UE product without built-in speakers in their roadmap, if they don't,
the UE Smart Radio line is more or less doomed at its current price
epoch1970 wrote:
A UE radio without speakers is called a bluetooth-capable smartphone. I
doubt they want to try the audio-video combo receiver any time soon, and
the swift demise of google's Q doesn't vote in favor of an Internet-only
hifi-class receiver either.
I wouldn't bet the next
JJZolx wrote:
Next step? How so? What does Logitech gain from continuing to support
Squeezebox? Financially, nothing. $0.
Beyond keeping mysb.com afloat, what are you expecting in terms of
support? An updated server that addresses the many hundreds of valid
bugs on file? Repairs of $2000
erland wrote:
Based on the responses, I would expect a bug correction now and then,
maybe a bit less active than what we have seen during the last 12 months
(after the Revue shutdown).
It couldn't get much less active.
Face it. It's dead.
JJZolx wrote:
It couldn't get much less active.
Face it. It's dead.
It answers when I ping it, so something must be still alive :-)
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MeSue wrote:
This is something from the Logitech forum thread about the NuLOOQ, but
it seems appropriate here:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Design-Controllers-and/NuLooq-Navigator-in-CS4/m-p/305697#M582
The last post in that thread is November 2011. Did Logitech ever release
the source
cncb wrote:
A Raspberry Pi dedicated to running a full-screen version of Squeezeplay
with digital audio output seems almost perfect...
I am doing my best seem to be mostly alsa diver issues being the main
stoppers that said I have had overs two hours of perfect audio
out...(doh jinxed it just
Mnyb and others before him wrote:
Humor is much better than the other response you can get when saying
something wrong/silly or stupid.
Are routerhero completely unaware of the slow death the whole squeezebox
ecosystem has been put trough for years ?
It took some time before I decided
pallfreeman wrote:
The last post in that thread is November 2011. Did Logitech ever release
the source code (drivers, I presume)?
Not as far as I know.
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erland wrote:
It seems like the some more blog comments now have been moderated, at
least a few more is now visible including some answers.
There wasn't much news, but a few things were clarified:
- They will not provide an upgrade path for the Touch or any other
Squeezebox
Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new
infrastructure just for a re-branded radio?
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pippin wrote:
Well, do we seriously believe they build up all of the new
infrastructure just for a re-branded radio?
It is not such a big investment for them in these days of virtual
servers and CDNs. They could be testing the market for a simplified
(reduced functionality) device before
I have posted:
. . . we will actively support the [Squeezebox] service in its current
form, so you can continue to enjoy the Squeezebox experience you love.
Thank you for this assurance, Ariel.
Can you please tell us more?
What level of support will you offer and for how long?
Will you
toby10 wrote:
Common sense and logic. ;)
Basing a new niche hardware device on someone else's failure (Logitech)
in such a niche market is probably not a good idea. Other big names
have tried the hardware side to music streaming already and failed
miserably (Microsoft, Linksys, etc..).
cliveb wrote:
Ralphy would be a key player in making this work.
If you search the forums you'll discover that I won't be making any such
changes to squeezeslave.
I'd suggest you look at the SqueezePlay port for RPI instead.
A Raspberry Pi dedicated to running a full-screen version of Squeezeplay
with digital audio output seems almost perfect...
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Now the comments on the blog is adding up but none of mine :-/ oh well
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Now the comments on the blog is adding up but none of mine :-/ oh well
Maybe you said something they didn't like, or asked for something they
couldn't provide, or maybe asked something complex so they don't want to
publish your comment before they have discussed it on a management
erland wrote:
Maybe you said something they didn't like, or asked for something they
couldn't provide, or maybe asked something complex so they don't want to
publish your comment before they have discussed it on a management
meeting.
As previously mentioned in the thread, I decided to do
i guess sonos can have my money now then...
this really doesn't seem great.. i've seen the ecosystem slowly stagnate
from great beginnings (having owned a slimp3, squeezebox 1, 2, 3 , boom,
remote, and radio)... it;s a shame logitech bought the company...as they
clearly didn't really know what
gb115b wrote:
i guess sonos can have my money now...
I wish this was a viable option for me. Unfortunately, Sonos lacks some
key functionality that will require me to search for another alternative
once my current system gives out. I'm hoping Logitech will react
positively to Erland's request
gb115b wrote:
thank god the software is open souce...
Forgive my naiveté, but what is there to prevent some new company, say
FatGagets, from developing new hardware using the open source software?
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konut wrote:
Forgive my naiveté, but what is there to prevent some new company, say
FatGagets, from developing new hardware using the open source
software?Nothing, as far as I know, since the slim proto is pretty well
documented:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SlimProto_TCP_protocol
konut wrote:
Forgive my naiveté, but what is there to prevent some new company, say
FatGagets, from developing new hardware using the open source software?
Common sense and logic. ;)
Basing a new niche hardware device on someone else's failure (Logitech)
in such a niche market is probably
toby10 wrote:
Common sense and logic. ;)
Basing a new niche hardware device on someone else's failure (Logitech)
in such a niche market is probably not a good idea. Other big names
have tried the hardware side to music streaming already and failed
miserably (Microsoft, Linksys, etc..).
I did wright a lengthy comment but that is not visible ? maybe he did
not like it .
I basically asked for real info like a time frame ?
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With high probability its moderated and takes some time before getting
visible. On my Blog it can also take up to 24 hours to react, too much
spamming otherwise
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With high probability its moderated and takes some time before getting
visible. On my Blog it can also take up to 24 hours to react, too much
spamming otherwise
I saw that gah , now I already spammed it :-/ with two overlapping
responses awaiting moderation .
routehero wrote:
For perspective, there are around 200 servers dedicated to
mysqueezebox.com, split between the US and Europe.
Suffice to say, they do need TLC and they don't run on hope.
200 servers? Isn't mysb.com on an Amazon cloud...and has been for some
time?
Code:
200 VMs on Amazon?
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routehero wrote:
That's a bit pessimistic.
Rest assured, there are no plans to shut down the forums, wiki, bug
tracker, git, etc.
That certainly depends on your definition of actively support.
For perspective, there are around 200 servers dedicated to
mysqueezebox.com, split
pippin wrote:
200 VMs on Amazon?
Yes, but no doubt there is a secure Logitech monitoring site, buried
under a Swiss alp and accessible only by keycard, biometric scans and a
challenge / response from the armed guards where you *have* to know
today's password. Once inside (and after you've
gharris999 wrote:
Yes, but no doubt there is a secure Logitech monitoring site, buried
under a Swiss alp and accessible only by keycard, biometric scans and a
challenge / response from the armed guards where you *have* to know
today's password. Once inside (and after you've descended the
Mnyb wrote:
So the talk of Large Hadron Collider is a cover up :)I would have thought
that was patently obvious to everyone. Haven't you
ever noticed that Large Hadron Collider is just an anagram for Logi
Hardcore All Nerd?
Mnyb wrote:
Active support = for example continue to maintain existing functionality
on mysqueezebox.com ,things like services changes all the time.
So just let a fully functional radio service sit there will break it
shortly as the service provider will do some changes , so with current
routehero wrote:
An imagined policy is just that, imagined.
If you are having issues, I'd call in to the support team or make your
voice heard at www.logitech.com/ithink.
That issue is already taken care off
The LMA issue are in the bugzilla since 6 months unassigned 30 votes
.
It is
routehero wrote:
An imagined policy is just that, imagined.
If you are having issues, I'd call in to the support team or make your
voice heard at www.logitech.com/ithink.
That link does not work it is not possible to select the rigth product
category and the right product ?
routehero wrote:
An imagined policy is just that, imagined.
If you are having issues, I'd call in to the support team or make your
voice heard at www.logitech.com/ithink.
Are you kidding? Wow! The Live Music Archive (LMA) app has been broken
for over six months (and evidently the fix is
garym wrote:
This is not the case of a random person whining on a forum about a (non)
problem. This is a well documented but evidently very minor problem.
You'd think we users were asking for the moon. I'm honestly not sure
what else we users can do to address the broken LMA app short of
garym wrote:
Are you kidding? Wow! The Live Music Archive (LMA) app has been broken
for over six months (and evidently the fix is simply editing the app
contents to refer to archive.org rather than www.archive.org). The
bug has long been confirmed by votes in bugs.slimdevices.com, the
Mnyb wrote:
Do you ski ? I havent for 20 odd years, time learn that again :) it's
autumn now, in a couple of moths it's season
No,but may need to learn. On the other hand, old bones take a long time
to heal.
garym's
routehero wrote:
Logitech employs shy of 4000 people. Although you might imagine that
Logitech knows about this problem, any sizeable bureaucracy requires
constant badgering in order to have your message heard.
The frequency of your bug reports and targets are fairly important. The
garym wrote:
Well I've followed your suggestions. But I have to say it is
disheartening to be told that the long-time official Logitech mechanism
for reporting and tracking squeezebox bugs is merely something that may
or may not get lost in a sea of 4,000 employees.
I understand you are
Mnyb wrote:
What category did you choose I could not figure anything that fitted the
subject so I gave up .
The bugzilla mechanism is more well suited very granular choices , you
can be very precise when filing your issue ?
This think function did it produce any email response with some
routehero wrote:
I'm dumbfounded that there aren't more Logitech employees engaging with
this community when the responses are like this.Oops. Apparently, I hit a
nerve. Sorry.
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gharris999 wrote:
Oops. Apparently, I hit a nerve. Sorry.
So you tried to provide a bit of humor, no problem. Sometimes we could
use more here. We are sometimes encouraged to use the official Logitech
forums but unfortunately there do not seem to be many responses in that
venue either.
routehero wrote:
For perspective, there are around 200 servers dedicated to
mysqueezebox.com, split between the US and Europe.
Suffice to say, they do need TLC and they don't run on hope.
In light of their history of reliability, I'd say that's a given.
Humor is much better than the other response you can get when saying
something wrong/silly or stupid.
Are routerhero completely unaware of the slow death the whole squeezebox
ecosystem has been put trough for years ?
No aspect of the system had the proper maintanence for years . ( at
least no
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