agillis wrote:
Your VortexBox can play directly to your DAC! You don't need a
SqueezeBox.
Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES?
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Great post and I agree. I for one will stick around as I do use mainly
the offline functionality.
Would support an offiline fork as I can. I guess the fork doesn't need
to happen immediately as LMS may still be supported in bug fix mode by
the Logitech guys.
We also need to think about what
I have read (skimmed) the very long thread.
I agree with the contents of this thread. There is no immediate risk to
Squeezebox as we use it.
Watch and wait - that's my plan.
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You can do this pretty much with any small form factor pc. You could
slap together a small silent PC with rapsberry pi with digital audio out
via USB sound for probably $100. You could run linux and
squeezeslave/squeezeplay on it and then you have a squeezebox with all
the regular offline music
Erland, regarding redistribution of LMS - I thought it was licensed
under one of the GPL licences. Doesn't that permit distribution?
Robert
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I will be running LMS that supports local music playback and erland's
plugins until my touches and SB3s die. If nothing better comes along
I'll replace with small form factor silent pcs with digital outs,
running squeezeslave or squeezeplay.
Another thought: Squeezeslave and squeezeplay will become more
important. For example peeps may replace there hardware with small
silent pcs running these.
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erland wrote:
In reality, it's not legally possible for anybody except for Logitech to
make the LMS nor firmware binaries available for download, you can
obviously do it but you would violate the license and take the risk of
being sued by Logitech and/or its partners. However, keeping a
There is no reason to toss the SBs out of your home yet.
Local playback will always work via a local server, if newer NAS are not
supported, simply run LMS on a MiniPC with something like squeezeplug.
The real problem is, online functionality. Will online services continue
to work. Like Spotify
Squeezemenicely wrote:
Who knows maybe in a few years when all our boxes have died, we will
only have Minipcs running squeezeslave, or ithingies with iPeng - then
none of the streaming player companies will get our cash...
I believe this may be the reason why Logitech have killed the SB. It
I registered at the UE website - the server software is available for
Mac and Windows (XP and later), but not for Linux.
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I envy those who feel content to let their Squeezeboxen plod along with
local access and limited functionality. Naturally those who are
concerned by the potential loss of online services are most likely to be
those who use them currently, but I think for many of us our
expectations are slightly
Well, my usage of my squeezeboxes is variable.
- The Squeezebox Radio in the bedroom is almost exclusively used to
listen to BBC Radio streams, and only occasionally other streams or my
music collection.
- The Squeezebox Radio in the kitchen is used for BBC Radio, but also to
stream my music
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major
class
action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue
mysqueezebox.com?.
No, as long as they provide the promised services for a certain time
period for newly sold hardware.
johnnydarko wrote:
Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES?
Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els,
Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz.
And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS.
The Apple Airport Express (£79) has all the hardware in it to do the
work of a Squeezebox Receiver.
I am guessing that running LMS, Squeezeplay and Airfoil
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/windows/
would achieve all; but a single Squeezebox-Airplay App would be neater.
But what I have is
pippin wrote:
Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els,
Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz.
And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS.
johnnydarko wrote:
Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES?
agillis wrote:
We already have out own fork of LMS and we intend to keep it running for
as long as possible. With VortexBox player there will always be a
SqueezeBox compatible player available. I'm not sure about
mysqueezebox.com we will have to see how long that stays around. The
licensing
HI,
I'm having some problems with a squeezeslave installation, especially
with slightly loosing sync and loosing output completely.
I would like to provide more details and also debug information. Where
would you like to open this tickets and what details do you need?
(eg. Debug-levels)
I
LMS does not need MySB.com to play basic URL's, like those saved or
input into your LMS Favorites. But you will lose menu navigation of
everything within Internet Radio and My Apps absent MySB.com. The other
issue is subscription services handled by MySB.com (account login and
management).
You
...Just asking :-)
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I waited for one when the Boom discontinued, but it never happened. At
least not that I found. Towards the end of availability, prices sky
rocketed on Amazon.
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ajkidle wrote:
I waited for one when the Boom discontinued, but it never happened. At
least not that I found. Towards the end of availability, prices sky
rocketed on Amazon.
I recall that too. The booms were selling for crazy prices. And I'm not
sure how they do a fire sale when in many
Still have a few SB3s and a Boom procured from Circuit City's closing
sale for cheap. Should be set for awhile...
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gharris999 wrote:
Start our own forum/wiki somewhere?
As I've posted elsewhere, I have no plans to move to something else
until I can't do with my SB stuff, what I can do today. And in fact I've
bought a couple of players to add to the backup units I already had.
However, I've been a bit
Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
no change it aint dead.
Just like HDDVD aint dead. it all works just fine so why change
anything?
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Curious as to this, myself.
I'm not being all 'chicken little' here. But if mysb.com shuts down in
2 years, will my Touch and Radios still work at all after a reboot?
If I need to grab a spare player, should it be a Classic, or a Touch?
I'm pretty pissed about this development I use the
I don't expect a fire sale from Logitech. Why sell more product that
depends for use on a back-end that you'd like to discontinue at some
point? Also, in the case of the SB radio, selling the current model at
slashed prices wouldn't help the new UE in getting off to a strong start
in the
I'm not sure what to do, buy a spare unit or not. Especially since I'm
moving to a bigger house in a couple of months and might find some good
use for an additional player then. We've seen that SB models got very
expensive in the past once the stocks dried out, so buying a Touch right
now won't
I have a Radio, SB2 and Classic in use, and another boxed Classic as a
spare (I also have an SB1 that is in storage, but don't really consider
it a spare given some hardware/firmware limitations).
I'm torn between picking up another spare and biting the bullet --
trying to sell off my equipment
erland wrote:
In my opinion this is probably the most important part, mirroring
information to some other place is very easy compared to gather a new
community with people with similar knowledge/experience as this one. The
people are worth a lot more than the information itself, the
SB players will continue to function as they do now if using LMS server
with your local music.
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erland wrote:
...but I don't want to go into any further details regarding this at the
moment
What are you up to erland? :)
erland wrote:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
erland wrote:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ?
I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody
erland wrote:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ?
I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody
Considering all the clever plugins availabe (which is one of the things
that makes the SB system so impressive) I wouldn't be all that surprised
to see someone coming up with a plugin or somesuch that made at least
some online services available to SB users even after MySB is dropped,
perhaps by
505 wrote:
And a plugin for the radio service to interface directly with TuneIn
could sove the radio part.
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently
of sb.com?
The Tunein app uses sb.com and has an additional feature not available
in the plugin - Presets
toby10 wrote:
SB players will continue to function as they do now if using LMS server
with your local music.
How are you going to set up a Touch or Radio? One of the first steps is
to connect to mysb.com.
SamS's
gharris999 wrote:
So...for those of us with significant Squeezebox hardware investments
who plan on trying to keep them alive, what should we do next?
Try and bring back Sean to the game ?
Keeping the current SBs alive is not, I think, a strong enough
proposition. It's a response to FUD, FUD
pippin wrote:
Have you got all necessary rights to redistribute that?
Have you stripped the proprietary content or do you have a license from
Logitech?
Well, with its recent actions Logitech has declared war to its user
community. In times of war everthing is allowed ;)
erland wrote:
Let's not panic *yet*.
Allright. Say when. :)
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How are you going to set up a Touch or Radio? One of the first steps is
to connect to mysb.com.
By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio
players to buy to even need setting up. ;)
But should this be needed
- Touch can be updated via USB/SD
toby10 wrote:
By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio
players to buy to even need setting up. ;)
But should this be needed
- Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server.
- I believe both Touch Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we
have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and
what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support
streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support
many of
hvb83 wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we
have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and
what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support
streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it
Now that Logitech has destroyed the Squeezebox product line,will someone
with the capabilities of Sean Adams
pick up the pieces and continue to develop this product?What is the
likelihood of that?
Slim Devices rises from the ashes?
I don't think this is the situation that Sean envisioned or
The main difference as far as I can see is that the UE system is not
compatible with the existing LMS system - you have to add another server
to get music access.
Apparently, it will be possible to install the UE firmware on an SB
Radio - but I understood this is a one-way street - you won't
hvb83 wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we
have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and
what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support
streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it
Grumpy Bob wrote:
There's not a HiFi quality player
Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality
earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as
us.
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simbo wrote:
Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality
earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as
us.
But Logitech has now purchased Ultimate Ears. The old UE users seem to
be no more happy with the new Logitech branded UE items than we
Grumpy Bob wrote:
I registered at the UE website (www.uesmartradio.com) - the server
software (UE Music Library), is available for Mac and Windows (XP and
later), but not for Linux.
Robert
Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked
to generate a PIN -- My SB
simbo wrote:
Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality
earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as
us.
And they say this on their main web page (forgive the capitalisation, I
just pasted it - so it's their capitalisation):
WE DON'T JUST
Yes, bring back Slim Devices.
My silver SB3 with SlimDevices logo still outperform everything else out
there.
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Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in
releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more
devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that
the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If you read the
posts
bernt wrote:
Yes, bring back Slim Devices.
My silver SB3 with SlimDevices logo still outperform everything else out
there.
I beg to differ. MY silver SB3 is the best. :)
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hvb83 wrote:
Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in
releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more
devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that
the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If
Hi,
I have several classic squeezeboxes near my PC. I don't like the fact
that I have to use two speaker sets i.e. for the PC and the SB. Is there
not a way to connect the PC and the Squeezebox at the same time to the
same speakerset? At the moment i have the logitech Z2300
THe only way I was
I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their
128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock.
R
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Grumpy Bob wrote:
From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because:
1. There's not a HiFi quality player, just a radio with no digital or
analogue outputs (other than a headphone socket)
Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been
said that there
Grumpy Bob wrote:
I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their
128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock.
It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least
people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with
sound.
alfista wrote:
Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been
said that there won't be a Touch as we know it that is a rebranded
Touch the way the new Radio for all intents and purposes is the same box
as the old one. To me this more or less hints that more products
simbo wrote:
It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least
people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with
sound.
What next? Go back to 14 TVs in the corner of the room?
Hmm. Or perhaps 14 computer monitors? Or Smartphone screens?
Those TVs
garym wrote:
My understanding from past discussions is that logitech employees are
not allowed to discuss any new products, OR WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NEW
PRODUCTS. So Michael's non response on this question does not really
provide any info about the existence (or not) of any new products to
What inputs do the speakers have? I took a look at a few product pages,
but I couldn't find that info.
Also, note that if you didn't run them through some sort of input
switch/pre-amp you would want to be careful not to be sending signals
simultaneously from the pc and the SB.
RonM wrote:
I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end
speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought
great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to
digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major
class
action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue
mysqueezebox.com?
After all, some folks,like me, purchased their products on the condition
that this
service existed and
simbo wrote:
I know it's anecdotal, but I'm amazed when I go to (richer) people's
houses with big rooms, massive TVs and high-end furniture, then they
have a basic iPod dock/speaker kit for their music needs, playing their
collection of 128kpbs iTunes tracks. I think the demographic you
RonM wrote:
I've been wondering about that. I'd think they certainly have an
obligation to continue to provide services that were at the root of the
sales offering. At the very least they'd need to provide alternatives.
I suspect there will be something in the works on this.
R.
Your
My speakers have additional line-in for additional input. If you don't
have that you may find a y-connector for line-out to speakers and try
that. Not sure if will do something funny to sound though:
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-3-5mm-Stereo-Adapter-Jacks/dp/B0002ZPF3U
You could run the
Yesterday when all this was breaking news, I was in the midst of
browsing TigerDirect for a suitable UPS for a particular purpose. I
noticed they had the Touch available for a reasonable price, and when I
ordered my UPS I ordered a Touch. It will sit in a box along with my
OTHER spare Touch,
I have 2xSB3s and 2xTouches. The 2xSB3s aren't in use (one dead). Was
thinking of activating the remaining one just the other day.
These devices do die and people move to bigger houses, get kids etc.
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I wouldn't count on it. One of the reasons they are pulling the plug I
think, is that the platform has become too open. You don't actually need
a SB-client anymore to use the server, and with iPeng being able to
emulate a player with sync and 48/96khz, even a novice can set it up.
And if Logitech
This is my plan.Never to buy another Logitech product again.
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RonM wrote:
I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end
speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought
great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to
digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There
MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to.
Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ??
In which case there would be some sort of conversion??
or am I being too simplistic?
bonze's
Redistribution of the firmware is not permitted. That is clear.
Redistribution of the LMS packages from Logitech is restricted because
they contain the firmware for the ip3k-based players (SB1, SB2/3, Boom,
Receiver, Transporter).
Distribution of an LMS-like package, without the firmware
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
This is my plan.Never to buy another Logitech product again.
Well, I will in the future think carefully about buying into an
interdependent system again. But then, I've never had any of the SBs
malfunction, and LMS seems pretty solid, so I think my Squeezebox
castalla wrote:
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently
of sb.com? . ?
My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu
navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the
background.
I can emulate LMS running with no
This thread (Squeezebox Radio Dead) popped up about a week or so ago on
the official logitech forums. At that time I was pleasantly surprised
to open it and discover the content.
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/Squeezebox-Radio-Dead/td-p/871922
I only have a few questions:
If/when mysqueezebox.com goes offline can I still listen to Internet
radio via LMS?
I assume LMS will last as long as you want it to (forever if you like)
and Logitech can't shut this down as it's downloaded software. There
will just be no further support (updates)
toby10 wrote:
My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu
navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the
background.
I can emulate LMS running with no MySB account where My Apps and App
Gallery give the expected this won't work without a
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently
of sb.com? . ?
My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu
navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the
background.
That's correct. But many of the _free_ services
Grumpy Bob wrote:
You could block mysqueezebox.com at the router to see what effect that
has
Let us know what you find out. ;)
I have no idea how to do this myself.
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MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to.
Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ??
There's uesmartradio.com for the new players. Conversion for SB Radio -
UE SR is planned but not there yet.
--
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Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ?
Yes! As you said it's the best hardware you can currently get and i'm
Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create
an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com?
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Yes, you can use direct stream URL's in LMS absent MySB.com. The
problem would be subscription services.
No, SB hardware will not just update to UE some day. The only player
that is even capable of being updated to UE is the SB Radio, and I'd
guess that requires downloading the new UE server
Grumpy Bob wrote:
Well, I will in the future think carefully about buying into an
interdependent system again
What system that was created in the last two years and use on a regular
basis is not interdependent ?
castalla wrote:
Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create
an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com?
I wonder if it isn't possible for one of the brilliant Plugin developers
to create a Plugin to emulate UE for LMS connections to
toby10 wrote:
By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio
players to buy to even need setting up. ;)
But should this be needed
- Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server.
- I believe both Touch Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by
toby10 wrote:
Yes, you can use direct stream URL's in LMS absent MySB.com. The
problem would be subscription services.
No, SB hardware will not just update to UE some day. The only player
that is even capable of being updated to UE is the SB Radio, and I'd
guess that requires
05mattjax wrote:
And the LMS question please. Will LMS continue forever?
Yes, in it's current form, as long as you keep the original LMS download
on your computer and you don't use LMS beyond it's current OS support.
Will LMS development, updates, bug fixes continue forever? Of course
not.
adamdea wrote:
does this apply to the initial setup as well as the upgrading firmware?
I believe so. What I don't know is whether the firmwares obtained via
LMS are actually *included* in LMS.
IOW: LMS might be just pointing that player to it's appropriate
firmware located on a Logitech
chenrikson wrote:
Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked
to generate a PIN -- My SB Radio doesn't seem to have that function.
Just register and when you are asked at the next screen to Add a Radio,
close your browser and then log in.
bluegaspode wrote:
What system that was created in the last two years and use on a regular
basis is not interdependent ?
What I mean is I ended up buying several SBs (not to mention Squeezepad
and iPeng) rather than just staying with the original SB3 for piping
music to the HiFi. With an
toby10 wrote:
I believe so. What I don't know is whether the firmwares obtained via
LMS are actually *included* in LMS.
IOW: LMS might be just pointing that player to it's appropriate
firmware located on a Logitech server online, possibly even MySB.com.
I read somewhere that LMS includes
garym wrote:
I read somewhere that LMS includes the firmware for older players
(transporter, SB3, boom) but NOT for touch and radio.
I suspect so too. I have both my touch and Radio connected to my local
LMS, and I have both Touch and Radio updating their firmwares some time
after I installed
travelfotografer wrote:
I suspect so too. I have both my touch and Radio connected to my local
LMS, and I have both Touch and Radio updating their firmwares some time
after I installed new releases of LMS. So it appears that Touch and
Radio get their firmware files from some other server out
This is not what I was expecting when I heard plans were being made for
more audio products. I had thought that this would be advancements in
the product line and not step back.
After reading most posts in the forums and doing a web review of the new
product pitch I believe Logitec is really
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