Re: CE marking for Small quantities of a gas appliance

2001-04-02 Thread John Woodgate
. Checks are made that none of it will interfere with other services. I suspect that there is no check on immunity, but the F1 people may do their own checks on what emissions are present in the area. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268

Re: Transformer isolation (military)

2001-03-29 Thread John Woodgate
00e301c0b7d0$2e84a760$2ba7e7d8@default, Lou Aiken ai...@gulftel.com inimitably wrote: 240V x 3 sqr = 416V, not much different from the mil spec you mention. How is 240 V involved? The supply is 115 V 3-phase. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44

Re: Transformer isolation (military)

2001-03-29 Thread John Woodgate
or advice about this.   Dave Palmer 500 V is OK if the supply is designed never to have any transient overvoltage more than some value less than 500 V. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why

Re: PFC filter

2001-03-16 Thread John Woodgate
they haven't overcome it, but work on US mains that have very little voltage distortion. Use in Europe (even if the voltage and frequency differences were overcome) could be dangerous, since up to 5% voltage distortion is present almost everywhere. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone

Re: PFC filter

2001-03-15 Thread John Woodgate
, one specific harmonic, then a filter would be practicable. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: code of conduct for low power supplies

2001-03-15 Thread John Woodgate
in January this year. Does anyone know what it was about? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: Flicker problem

2001-03-15 Thread John Woodgate
disturbance of the brightness of a 60 W lamp on the same circuit. But the proposed new ('amended' - they retained the commas and put new words between them) doesn't allow you to do that - you HAVE to use the flicker meter, which means hiring a test-house that has one. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own

Re: EN61000-3-2 and 3-3

2001-03-14 Thread John Woodgate
the new texts. While yo do not HAVE to apply the amendments yet, most manufacturers will find it very helpful to do so. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do

Re: Chris' humorous story is true!

2001-03-13 Thread John Woodgate
dollars. 'That's 200 000 for you, 200 000 for me, and we let A do the work.' -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: Flicker problem

2001-03-02 Thread John Woodgate
the product is. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me. --- This message is from the IEEE

Re: Harmonics - A14 revision

2001-03-01 Thread John Woodgate
than 'housekeeping' text. But there is a great deal of work going on in order to produce a realistic, consensual standard. Limits will need to be fully justified technically. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http

Re: Battery terminals isolation

2001-03-01 Thread John Woodgate
008a01c0a262$97a76a80$0f133ad8@zi8755, Ralph Cameron ral...@igs.net inimitably wrote: How about an insulated wrench? Missing, just when you want it. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer

Re: Harmonics

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
of IEC P-members) attempts to address. The next revision will go even further. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: Battery terminals isolation

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society

Re: RTTE Directive

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
regulating agencies. I find that this is the best way to weigh the opinions of others and the sales spin of the test labs. After all, it is the regulating agencies who can throw you out of their country. That's VERY good advice. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
', at least the requirements will be technically justified. Cars, after all, are not the same every where. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
://www.eiafoundation.org/eng/lfeic/docpublic/default.htm. I expect they refer to US conditions. We now know why harmonics create far fewer problems in USA than in Europe. I mentioned some of them in another message on this group. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268

Re: DoC

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
on the DoC. The rules about that vary a bit from one country to another, so the authorities should be contacted. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
networks. This has only quite recently been demonstrated to the IEC committee: the evidence from outside Europe was not submitted previously. Capacitors and motors are the other things that are said to be particularly vulnerable. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268

Re: FW: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
, but the intent of the current standards work is to try to minimise the total cost, thus being fair to the consumer, the equipment manufacturers and the supply industry. It's not an easy task, because relevant data is scarce, and costly to collect. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone

Re: DC Cable color code

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
but the 'protective earth conductor'. Outside the equipment, avoid blue, brown and black, which could be mistaken for mains wiring. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail

Re: SAR

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
. But if they are published, go to hppt://www.cenelec.org and search for 'EN 50360' and 'EN 50361'. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
decreased due to design improvements and 'green' pressures. I lead an IEC group which is producing an IEC Report on the subject (future IEC61000-1-4). -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
contains harmonics? What happens to the I^2R loss and the dielectric loss? What happens to hysteresis loss in motors and transformers? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis

Re: Calibration of test equipment

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
to technological blackmail, and making resistance to such nonsense that much more difficult for others. I suppose the idea is that the calibrated equipment might catch an 'uncalibrating' infection from other equipment. (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839

Re: Final EMC Testing In-House

2001-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
) requires (inter alia ) testing incoming power AC frequency from 0.95 to 1.05 of the nominal. (As you may expect, the requirement is that the EUT must function properly both during and after the tests.) Noted, thank you. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
by people who are apparently authoritative but are woefully ill-informed. We now KNOW why the major problem with harmonic currents in the Americas is 'hot neutrals', whereas in Europe there are several other problems as well. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839

Re: Calibration of test equipment

2001-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
no professional test engineer would use test equipment that had not been calibrated at least annually!!! The objection is to the 'expensive' word 'NAMAS'. Calibration, mainly by less costly means, is certainly necessary. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44

Re: EN 55014-2

2001-02-25 Thread John Woodgate
who answered my previous questions. Shaike Raz You can buy the identical BS EN55014-2 from http://www.bsi-global.org, but your own national standards body can probably supply it: http://www.sii.org.il Note that EN55014-2 is not identical to CISPR14-2. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own

Re: Welcome Mr. Woodgate :-)

2001-02-23 Thread John Woodgate
, not through DejaVu. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me. --- This message is from

Re: Final EMC Testing In-House

2001-02-23 Thread John Woodgate
to supply frequency variations? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: Final EMC Testing In-House

2001-02-23 Thread John Woodgate
the cost of meeting the EC Directive on electromagnetic compatibility.' in August 1993. It should probably be re-issued. I can e-mail a scanned copy (.pdf) if anyone wants one. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http

Re: Source for Acoustic Simulation Software

2001-02-23 Thread John Woodgate
noise from fans and/or motors? Performance of a built-in loudspeaker? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: FLAME RATING OF STANDOFFS

2001-02-23 Thread John Woodgate
that the part is identifiable so that your procurement people can't buy Celluloid ones from Sum Yung Gai (apocryphal purveyor of guaranteed UNtraceable components to the unwary trade). -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http

Re: Compliance Statement per TCAM Recommendation

2001-02-23 Thread John Woodgate
'. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC

Re: Final EMC Testing In-House

2001-02-22 Thread John Woodgate
+ flicker meter, it will meet EN61000-3-3. NOTE THAT EN61000-3-2 and EN61000-3-3 have recently been extensively amended so as to relax many requirements. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters

Re: Requirements for grounding an outdoor unit for Europe

2001-02-22 Thread John Woodgate
, and it also depends on whether it has an antenna attached (presumably it does). -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: UL listing for foreign manufacturers

2001-02-22 Thread John Woodgate
. UL will tell you this if you ask. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Foxhunters suffer from tallyhosis. PLEASE do not mail copies of newsgroup posts to me

Re: Fw: question on emc and networks

2002-01-01 Thread John Woodgate
but they are likely to produce it on request. Or does someone knows a better newsgroup to ask for this? (please let me also know the server, I'm now on pandora (belgium)). There is another newsgroup, sci.engr.electrical.compliance but you won't get a different answer there. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-01 Thread John Woodgate
not have a very high level of immunity. We can begin to see why this subject is controversial. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2001-12-31 Thread John Woodgate
document (which I have not studied, so will not comment on) *may* also be an indication that there is more emotion surrounding this subject than is desirable. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2001-12-31 Thread John Woodgate
. In the future work of the IEC, it is to be hoped that other equally senior experts will participate, so that a real international consensus is established BEFORE any standard is adopted unilaterally in Europe, either de facto or de jure. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http

Re: Field Strength - Substitution Method

2001-12-27 Thread John Woodgate
if the EUT is large enough to subtend quite a large angle at the receiving antenna, so that the measured field strength is actually an average over a considerable volume of space. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I

Re: Non-compliant product put into EU marked

2001-12-27 Thread John Woodgate
, the Directive applies. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion

Re: surges on 24VAC

2001-12-22 Thread John Woodgate
to be applied to the 24 V a.c. port. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc

Re: surges on 24VAC

2001-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
the product is 24VAC it falls under low voltage/signal lines. Test is as a signal line. No, the standard uses the term 'a.c. power port' in Table 4. It says noting about 'mains'. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt

Re: EMI guard bands

2001-12-21 Thread John Woodgate
B limits are related to a 10 m separation of source and potential victim, and that implies far-field conditions for emissions above about 5 MHz. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: EMI guard bands

2001-12-20 Thread John Woodgate
originally 'best guess', over the years they have been altered if/when too many complaints of interference were received by the spectrum-control authorities. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: EMI guard bands

2001-12-20 Thread John Woodgate
of 10^6 sites (Remember that even in a small country there are probably 10^8 'sites'). So an uncompensated measurement error that changes this figure to 10^6 - 1.001 does not seem worth spending USD10 000 to track down. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

Re: EMC and Functional Safety

2001-12-18 Thread John Woodgate
, the 'No' answer *to the question asked* was strictly correct. I was well aware of the document you cite and if it had been relevant, I would have mentioned it. The IEE document is not without its critics, if anyone is thinking of treating it as Revealed Truth. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only

Re: surges on 24VAC

2001-12-18 Thread John Woodgate
, not DC, power port. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion

Re: Harmonics, WAS: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-18 Thread John Woodgate
with the fundamental. Harmonics are integer multiples; it is overtones that are defined in terms of resonances. In many mechanical systems, overtones are not exact harmonic frequencies. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-18 Thread John Woodgate
-like body. Pegasus Dragons To name but a few ! AFAIK, none of these have ever lived at the eastern end of the Mediterranean. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: Enclosed OATS facilities in snow country

2001-12-18 Thread John Woodgate
' the water table as a ground plane. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc

Re: surges on 24VAC

2001-12-17 Thread John Woodgate
. If this is a new product, you should be using EN61000-6-1. Look at clause 8. It is indeed not reasonable to apply the mains surge test to a 24 V power port. Make sure you explain this fully in your technical file. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After

Re: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?

2001-12-17 Thread John Woodgate
and schematics). Instead it was about the IEC60417 Graphical symbols for use on equipment (labels). Go to http://www.iec.ch and search diligently. You will find out how to get access to IEC60417 on line (not free!). -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-17 Thread John Woodgate
harmonics, we would have to rethink that, correct? Indeed. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-17 Thread John Woodgate
legs, so that they *appear* to have only four. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical

Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group

2001-12-17 Thread John Woodgate
of the Compliance group in the design process right ? with full power to sign off the design changes IMHO, the European EMC and Low Voltage Directives effectively require this to be the case. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-16 Thread John Woodgate
because fuse specifications are now so complex for the layman: 'F 1.6 A E 250 V'. Since it's at least exceedingly difficult to ensure continued safety with a 'T 6.3 A L 32 V' fuse in this position (!), I think user-accessible fuses (i.e. no tool required) have to go! -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO

Re: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?

2001-12-15 Thread John Woodgate
and contact the IEC directly. There is a new URL. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical

Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-15 Thread John Woodgate
of a poly-phase system. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread John Woodgate
(obviously, most of it was not safety approved)) My impression is that it does exactly what it is supposed to, but the user does not follow the instructions. In fact, have you ever seem W E C even read them? (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After

Re: An old chestnut.

2001-12-12 Thread John Woodgate
by the central county library. Where, more precisely, in England does this operate? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC

Re: An old chestnut.

2001-12-12 Thread John Woodgate
survived being a BSI Project Manager. (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee

Re: GTEM for full compliance testing?

2001-12-12 Thread John Woodgate
are downloadable free from http://www.iec/.ch The examples of delays in revising or amending standards that were cited by the OP are due to technical difficulties, not administrative delays. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont

Re: GTEM for full compliance testing?

2001-12-12 Thread John Woodgate
stage. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list

Re: An old chestnut.

2001-12-12 Thread John Woodgate
already adopted a cost-free policy, and the ITU will let you have three publications free in any 12 months. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: GTEM for full compliance testing?

2001-12-12 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote (in flrep9a0m3d8e...@jmwa.demon.co.uk) about 'GTEM for full compliance testing?', on Thu, 6 Dec 2001: I read in !emc-pstc that Gelfand, David david.gelf...@ca.kontron.com wrote (in DAE684A26044B6469EF0A1E1565116820F0AFC@semsl131

Re: BSMI (Taiwan) or MIC (Korea)

2001-12-10 Thread John Woodgate
the product is. It must be something unusual if you have to apply the Generic Standard. What about 61000-3-2 and -3? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: Stepping receiver, step sizes.

2001-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
' step and in the '2951 MHz' step, both showing the signal at 3 dB down on its real level. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from

Re: Stepping receiver, step sizes.

2001-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our

Re: Medical devices radiated immunity

2001-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
technical file for using the method. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee

Re: Stepping receiver, step sizes.

2001-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
any emissions. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion

Re: GTEM for full compliance testing?

2001-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site

Re: Cadmium levels?

2001-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
objects, but clearly this is impracticable and unnecessary - iron-based pigments also have these colours and are toxic only in huge quantities. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: EMC. 10db over limit = unsafe?

2001-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
UNLESS you ship the filter with it, and the manual must explain that it is essential to use it, and give instructions on how to install it. The draft new Directive changes this a bit, but the new Directive is long-delayed and may never appear. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only

Re: European environmental standard

2001-12-05 Thread John Woodgate
* to these conditions, you use the tests in IEC60068, unless there is an environmental test standard specific to your product. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: ITE equipment in Petrol Station (Gas) outlets

2001-12-05 Thread John Woodgate
to customers, and the wiring to them. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee

Re: ITE for industrial locations

2001-12-04 Thread John Woodgate
standards, using your technical and professional judgement. You cannot even delegate this responsibility to a test-house. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: Quantifying EMC

2001-12-04 Thread John Woodgate
% increase. Migrating from a 4-layer board to a 6-layer board by adding 2 layers would result in the 6-layer board being 6/4 or a 50% increase. That really is 50%. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like

Re: IATA

2001-12-04 Thread John Woodgate
that the odd distance, 2.1 m, shows that the limit is related to effects on aircraft instruments rather than anything else. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: physics behind EMI powerline filter

2001-12-04 Thread John Woodgate
occur, but generally conducted emissions are stronger at low radio frequencies, which are not radiated efficiently because the equipment is physically smaller than a half-wavelength. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont

Re: Medical Equipment Compliance

2001-12-04 Thread John Woodgate
. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site

Re: Electrochemical potentials

2002-06-08 Thread John Woodgate
and papers on corrosion testing. I doubt that there is a very well-informed web site, but you never know with the web! The world authority on contact corrosion might be a web enthusiast. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44 (0)1268 747839 Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http

Re: multi-band devices

2001-12-01 Thread John Woodgate
in the enclosure) for absorption of certain RF? The simple answer is 'with extreme difficulty'. This is something you need an advanced text-book for, not a mailgroup response. If you really mean 'absorption', and not 'screening effectiveness'. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http

Re: Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating

2001-12-01 Thread John Woodgate
. It appears that a 0.75 sq mm cord could be 20 meters in length (0.92 ohms) and still operate the overcurrent device. The disconnection time in Europe has to be much less than 1 minute. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
devices.) Any other thoughts on this interpretation? I believe you are correct. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE

Re: Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
the maximum short-circuit current that can flow. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety

Re: LISN Calibration

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Maxwell chris.maxw...@nettest.com wrote (in 83d652574e7af740873674f9fc12dbaa675...@utexh1w2.gnnettest.com) about 'LISN Calibration', on Fri, 30 Nov 2001: reference CISPR 16 or EN 55016 I don't think there is an EN55016. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own

Re: LISN Calibration

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
' training course will recognise this. *Anything* that is changed can have 'unexpected' effects, if you don't actively look for them. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: 2nd one: EMI receiver overhead - diagram

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site

Re: Amendment -14 of to EN/IEC61000-3-2

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
as possible. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
, and what isn't.     There is no need to alter warranty documents that conform to the present requirements (such as the statement about not restricting the customer's legal rights), except to change the period from one to two years. AIUI. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http

Re: SV: SV: Revised EMC standards and CE Declarations.

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
compliance from the date it is notified in the Official Journal. But it MUST be used after the 'dow' date in its Foreword, which is the 'date of cessation of presumption of conformity of the superseded standard'. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming

Re: EMI receiver desensitization and amplitude overhead

2001-11-29 Thread John Woodgate
(from http://www.iec.ch) or the DIN equivalent, or find it in a library. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society

Re: Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating

2001-11-29 Thread John Woodgate
, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site

Re: LISN Calibration

2001-11-29 Thread John Woodgate
on the incoming supply. CISPR16-1 mentions that this may be necessary and, by implication, allows it. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message

Re: Revised EMC standards and CE Declarations.

2001-11-29 Thread John Woodgate
understand that the saxophone is a metal woodwind. Didn't it come from Brussels, like EU Directives? (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero

Re: LISN Calibration

2001-11-29 Thread John Woodgate
vastly over-complicated - that huge inductor is just crazy unless you really need it to carry 25 A. I made one that will carry 10A without overheating for quite long enough to do a test, and compares in performance quite well with a purchased product. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions

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