Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 April 2018 at 13:27, Todd Zuercher wrote: > If you want to try multiple drive motors, a rack and pinion becomes a very > good option. You can make quite a nice actuator reasonably easily by using a gear on the motor spindle and a round rack running in suitable bushings. http://www.hpcgear

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-12 Thread Todd Zuercher
: Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection Hmm. Belting is a pretty interesting idea. Though for my application, the reverse motion of a crank/slider isn't a big negative. I've also been toying with combining a few servos smaller servos to get the work done. I've got no great i

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-12 Thread Dave Cole
On 4/12/2018 6:09 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 15:30, David Berndt wrote: I'm looking to output about 1000lbf in a linear direction via a crank/slider or ballscrew with peak speed of about 1m/s. Have you considered hydraulics? (Or possibly even pneumatics). Hydraulics can be pret

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-12 Thread andy pugh
On 11 April 2018 at 15:30, David Berndt wrote: > I'm looking to output about 1000lbf in a linear direction via a crank/slider > or ballscrew with peak speed of about 1m/s. Have you considered hydraulics? (Or possibly even pneumatics). Hydraulics can be pretty quick with a servo-valve cylinder.

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 April 2018 00:38:11 Jon Elson wrote: > On 04/11/2018 01:01 AM, David Berndt wrote: > > Wondering if anyone had any preference/experience/advise > > to share with single phase capable larger servos. I'm > > looking at an application for a 3 to 5hp motor with a vfd, > > but if I could

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 April 2018 21:56:17 Chris Albertson wrote: > If you are willing to design and build your own controller and add an > encoder, a motor from a treadmill could work > But only in one direction. The flywheel/pulley/cooling fan on those I have used is screwed onto the motor shaft, and

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/11/2018 01:01 AM, David Berndt wrote: Wondering if anyone had any preference/experience/advise to share with single phase capable larger servos. I'm looking at an application for a 3 to 5hp motor with a vfd, but if I could just get a servo to fill in that'd be nice. Gear reduction will b

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread David Berndt
Hmm. Belting is a pretty interesting idea. Though for my application, the reverse motion of a crank/slider isn't a big negative. I've also been toying with combining a few servos smaller servos to get the work done. I've got no great idea on that yet mechanically or electrically. But taking

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Dave Cole
Consider using a timing belt drive. Not exactly a timing belt, but a cogged tooth belt.  They make cogged tooth belting specifically for linear actuators. You can buy it several inches wide so 6 hp would not be a problem.   I did a servo drive setup to propel a machine carriage with such a belt.

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Chris Albertson
If you are willing to design and build your own controller and add an encoder, a motor from a treadmill could work On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:08 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 10:30 AM, David Berndt wrote: > > I'd like this to be reasonably low effort. My biggest concern

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 April 2018 04:32:05 jeremy youngs wrote: > Does it have to be a servo ?? 1800 in lb nema 34 steppers are > inexpensive and your speed needs are not great , it's possible a > stepper and a kelling drive would get you there . But again more input > needed. > Gene , I know of a bunch

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 10:30 AM, David Berndt wrote: > I'd like this to be reasonably low effort. My biggest concern is single > phase input. Control/response requirements are about as low as it gets. > > I'm looking to output about 1000lbf in a linear direction via a > crank/slider or bal

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 3:08 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 10:30 AM, David Berndt wrote: > > I'm looking to output about 1000lbf in a linear direction via a > > crank/slider or ballscrew > You don't mention the stroke length. Are you moving a few inches in a >

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread theman whosoldtheworld
In my zone there are a lot of big servo motor manufactorer ( 30-50 hp and more) it work for siemens, snider, and many other big company as I can see that power single phase is for special pourpuse only, and it can be found normally in last page of big general product catalog of big company

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 April 2018 at 15:40, Ed wrote: > I have to check on a regular VFD to drive it, Toshiba claims to be able to > drive (most) PM motors. The Parker Unidrive is another option, can run induction or PM motors equally well (the clue is in the name). Available to huge power outputs, but you proba

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Ed
On 04/11/2018 08:38 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 11 April 2018 at 14:24, Dave Cole wrote: You can find 3 phase gearbox equipped motors on Ebay that can get you 500 rpm max. Another alternative would be to simply get a slow-speed motor. I have an 8-pole motor on my Rivett lathe. This one here is su

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread David Berndt
I'd like this to be reasonably low effort. My biggest concern is single phase input. Control/response requirements are about as low as it gets. I'm looking to output about 1000lbf in a linear direction via a crank/slider or ballscrew with peak speed of about 1m/s. So that's a real 5hp of en

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 April 2018 at 14:24, Dave Cole wrote: > You can find 3 phase gearbox equipped motors on Ebay that can get you 500 > rpm max. Another alternative would be to simply get a slow-speed motor. I have an 8-pole motor on my Rivett lathe. This one here is suggested for use from 72 rpm to 1000rpm:

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread jeremy youngs
Snip On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 03:59 andy pugh wrote: > > > That doesn't sound right. > > A brushless servo should be able to give rated torque indefinitely at > absolutely zero rpm. > Mine is a brushed baldor motor , I agree a brushless will go all the way to zero . It sounds to me like your drive

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Dave Cole
How much time/work do you want to put into this motor/drive setup? There are no really cheap large servo motor solutions unless you stumble into a deal on Ebay or a surplus marketplace. Larger servos generally mean 3 phase inputs.   So that becomes an immediate issue. If you can live with a VF

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 April 2018 at 09:11, jeremy youngs wrote: > The red caps are generally 2-3 k rpm , what response do you need at your > lowest rpm? And what is the lowest rpm. The red caps will give you great > low end torque but will have a threshold below which it will be weak > usually under 50 rpm on a

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread jeremy youngs
Does it have to be a servo ?? 1800 in lb nema 34 steppers are inexpensive and your speed needs are not great , it's possible a stepper and a kelling drive would get you there . But again more input needed. Gene , I know of a bunch of 700 ozin SLO-Syn but they are syncronous at 72 rpm, how would one

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread jeremy youngs
Far more information is needed to give you a fitting response. You need to know what your actual torque needs are, even roughly quantified. I've recently purchased several servo motors , due to not having a known torque needed. Your rpm requirement is quite low leaving a vfd 3phase motor wit not su

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 11 April 2018 02:01:07 David Berndt wrote: > Wondering if anyone had any preference/experience/advise to share with > single phase capable larger servos. I'm looking at an application for > a 3 to 5hp motor with a vfd, but if I could just get a servo to fill > in that'd be nice. Gear

Re: [Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-11 Thread John Dammeyer
it's step/dir. The STMBL is a product that has potential. John > -Original Message- > From: David Berndt [mailto:ber...@uberwin.com] > Sent: April-10-18 11:01 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] Large servo selection > > Wondering if

[Emc-users] Large servo selection

2018-04-10 Thread David Berndt
Wondering if anyone had any preference/experience/advise to share with single phase capable larger servos. I'm looking at an application for a 3 to 5hp motor with a vfd, but if I could just get a servo to fill in that'd be nice. Gear reduction will be required, but something with more torque,