Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Gene Heskett
mber-01-21 4:10 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > On Wed, 1 Dec, 2021 at 6:55 PM, John Dammeyer > mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com>> wrote: > > > To: 'enhanced machine c

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread John Dammeyer
by the original author. John > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: December-01-21 4:10 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > On Wed, 1 Dec, 2021 at 6:55 PM,

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wed, 1 Dec, 2021 at 6:55 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: To: 'enhanced machine controller (emc)' Here's one of the things I would change on this project. www.autoartisans.com/harmonicdrive/HarmonicDrive-10.jpg 404 here The cavity is for the same sort of 16mm bearing with either a 6mm or 6.35mm

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread John Dammeyer
Here's one of the things I would change on this project. www.autoartisans.com/harmonicdrive/HarmonicDrive-10.jpg The cavity is for the same sort of 16mm bearing with either a 6mm or 6.35mm hole. Instead of 4 nuts a nut plate a 10mm hole. A rod attached to the wave generator disk slips into

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread John Dammeyer
nal Message- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: December-01-21 2:59 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > If it is too much work, ask me and I will re-export the entire model from > Fusion3

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Gene Heskett
>John Take care and stay well John > -Original Message- > From: Chris Albertson > [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com<mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com>] > Sent: December-01-21 1:18 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-user

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Chris Albertson
> John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: December-01-21 1:18 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > > > Thanks for the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread John Dammeyer
t parts built with Alibre have but at least it's editable and some of the very poor features of the design can be changed. John > -Original Message- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: December-01-21 1:18 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread johnd
How odd.  All I got on that step file link was 404 not found. Sent from my Samsung S10 Original message From: Chris Albertson Date: 2021-12-01 1:22 p.m. (GMT-08:00) To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive Thanks for the li

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Sam Sokolik
the wave generator disk to the centerline of the drive > > bearing. This would likely also clean up any wobble from thin printed > > plastic. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gma

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Chris Albertson
> > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: December-01-21 9:13 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > > > John, > > > > Looks like

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread John Dammeyer
ertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: December-01-21 9:13 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > John, > > Looks like I'm finding this thread late. Where are the design files for > this harmonic drive? > > O

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Chris Albertson
John, Looks like I'm finding this thread late. Where are the design files for this harmonic drive? On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:22 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > I've added a photo. > www.autoartisans.com/harmonicdrive/HarmonicDrive-8.jpg > > The new wave generator pieces puts the bearings 1mm

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-12-01 Thread Sam Sokolik
ilto:jo...@autoartisans.com] > > Sent: November-30-21 1:41 PM > > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > > > Here's a link to the photos. > > Two views of all the parts not including the bearing arm. > > www.au

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
> > > -Original Message- > > From: John Dammeyer [mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com] > > Sent: November-30-21 1:07 PM > > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > > > So nothing as complicated as: >

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
>> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive >> > >> > The meshing of the harmonic drive splines slide in and out... not like >> > involute gears that rotate though with point pressure (not slidin

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
Said in so many less words than I used... > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-30-21 5:38 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > The meshing of the harmonic drive spl

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
troller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > Isn't the purpose of an involute surface the minimization of sliding two > surfaces? I would think an attempt would be made in the harmonic mesh. > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 12:09 AM andy pugh wrote: > > &g

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
The meshing of the harmonic drive splines slide in and out... not like involute gears that rotate though with point pressure (not sliding) On Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 7:32 PM Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Isn't the purpose of an involute surface the minimization of sliding two > surfaces? I would

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Isn't the purpose of an involute surface the minimization of sliding two surfaces? I would think an attempt would be made in the harmonic mesh. On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 12:09 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 23:07, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > Is the tooth shape an attempt to mesh

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
troller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 23:07, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > Is the tooth shape an attempt to mesh in an involute fashion? > > No, because the motion of the teeth relative to each other is very > muc

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 23:07, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Is the tooth shape an attempt to mesh in an involute fashion? No, because the motion of the teeth relative to each other is very much unlike meshing gears, and so involute is inappropriate. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Andy, Is the tooth shape an attempt to mesh in an involute fashion? thanks Stuart On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:26 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 20:30, John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > > I want to look at the tooth shape. > > This is a micrograph of the flexspline of my broken HD

Re: [Emc-users] [emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
some photos I'd love to see them. John > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: November-30-21 1:31 PM > To: Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > Hi John; > > > I des

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 21:43, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Do you have a similar sized micrograph of the mating profile? > > Sorry, no, that's a lot harder to photograph. Maybe that's the secret part that makes them work so well? The photo

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 21:43, John Dammeyer wrote: > Do you have a similar sized micrograph of the mating profile? Sorry, no, that's a lot harder to photograph. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses,

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
a lot thicker as it moves > under load which shows up in the original authors video > too. > > I'll put together a folder with the photos. > > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-30-21

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
See below. > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-30-21 1:23 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 20:30, John Dammeyer wrote: > > >

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
e Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > This is the profile I am currently using... > > http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20210127_104354.jpg > > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 3:10 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > > > So nothing as com

Re: [Emc-users] [emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Gene Heskett
Hi John; I designed and built, from petg, the loose belt version based on Sam idea but quite a bit smaller. I can drive it with a 1NM 3 phase motor which has an 8mm d-flatted shaft after grinding the dflat quite a bit wider. No metal in the hub, its just a press fit on the motor shaft.

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 20:30, John Dammeyer wrote: > > I want to look at the tooth shape. This is a micrograph of the flexspline of my broken HD drive. https://photos.app.goo.gl/mmJdebQD1QY538xY6 This part of their web site makes a thing about the "S" shape of the teeth, and has a little

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
Message- > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-30-21 12:46 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > > > I will post them later tonight.. To be honest - I took a video of the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-30-21 12:46 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > I will post them later tonight.. To be honest - I took a video of the one > of

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
o look at the > tooth shape. > Thanks > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-27-21 8:18 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > >

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Sam, Could you share the STEP file for the flex gear? I want to look at the tooth shape. Thanks John > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-27-21 8:18 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-29 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 10:02, John Dammeyer wrote: > From my perspective most of the bearings in the cup based are effectively > useless I think that the commercial design (with a single oval bearing) probably controls the shape of the cup better, for an overall stiffer result. It feels a bit

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-29 Thread John Dammeyer
Thanks Andy, I'll look into that. I have another question. From that document on the cup based harmonic drive the designer created the ellipse shaped holder for the bearings. OTOH, the one Sam built uses two diametrically opposed larger bearings. >From my perspective most of the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-28 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 28 Nov 2021, at 04:44, John Dammeyer wrote: > > And look at creating the flex part from steel since I have gear cutters and > an arbor. The ideal profile is not an involute. There is a sketch of it somewhere in the HD website. ___

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-27 Thread John Dammeyer
point socket arrives. John > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-27-21 8:18 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > I found that a while ago - That was what I initi

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-27 Thread John Dammeyer
son.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-27-21 8:34 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > That article is one of the best descriptions of a harmonic drive.But > the problem is that 3D printed plastic is not strong enough to make a >

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-27 Thread Sam Sokolik
d worked the best? > > > > Thanks > > John > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: John Dammeyer [mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com] > > > Sent: November-26-21 11:18 PM > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > Subjec

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-27 Thread Chris Albertson
mber-26-21 11:18 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > > > List has been quiet lately on the harmonic drive subject. I stumbled on > this site. > > > > > https://howtomechatronics.com/how-it

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-27 Thread Sam Sokolik
u find worked the best? > > Thanks > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Dammeyer [mailto:jo...@autoartisans.com] > > Sent: November-26-21 11:18 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > >

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-27 Thread John Dammeyer
; Subject: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > List has been quiet lately on the harmonic drive subject. I stumbled on this > site. > > https://howtomechatronics.com/how-it-works/what-is-strain-wave-gear-harmonic-drive-a-perfect-gear-set-for-robo

[Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-26 Thread John Dammeyer
List has been quiet lately on the harmonic drive subject. I stumbled on this site. https://howtomechatronics.com/how-it-works/what-is-strain-wave-gear-harmonic-drive-a-perfect-gear-set-for-robotics-applications John ___ Emc-users mailing list

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-03-01 Thread Chris Albertson
Normal spur gears will do this too if the tooth shape is wrong. To get the tooth shape correct you either have to understand some math or copy a correctly designed gear. It could be that the designer got the shape of the cycloid gear wrong. If so you can't use his STL files even if your

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-03-01 Thread Sam Sokolik
Small update... https://youtu.be/LoxpqbGFl2g On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, 10:56 AM Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/01/2021 04:11 AM, andrew beck wrote: > > This may interest people wanting to make 4th axis stuff > > > > https://youtu.be/-065J34xC5o > > > The output disc seems to be rotating in a jerky

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-03-01 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/01/2021 04:11 AM, andrew beck wrote: This may interest people wanting to make 4th axis stuff https://youtu.be/-065J34xC5o The output disc seems to be rotating in a jerky manner. This could be a video compression artifact, or related to precision of the parts. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-03-01 Thread andrew beck
This may interest people wanting to make 4th axis stuff https://youtu.be/-065J34xC5o On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, 01:47 Sam Sokolik, wrote: > I think it is mainly that the 3d printed parts are not perfect.. I squared > the printer - but it still isn't 100%. I think they will be good enough > for

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-23 Thread Sam Sokolik
I think it is mainly that the 3d printed parts are not perfect.. I squared the printer - but it still isn't 100%. I think they will be good enough for this experiment though. On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:44 AM John Dammeyer wrote: > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > >

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > https://youtu.be/VK4zgFTD2SA > Nice so far! You mentioned the belt rides up and it looked like it did in one direction and then down in the other. Do you think that's because the center pivot isn't well supported until you install the pilot

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread Sam Sokolik
al Message- > > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: February-22-21 11:15 AM > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring > > > > > > The Youtuber

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread andrew beck
ger scale one with harmonic drive joints would be fun. > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: February-22-21 11:15 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread John Dammeyer
ive joints would be fun. John > -Original Message- > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > Sent: February-22-21 11:15 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring > > The Youtuber is just

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread Sam Sokolik
__ > > From: Chris Albertson [albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 10:17 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Wall

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread Chris Albertson
21 10:17 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University > email system. > > > To add one more idea to the long-running conversation of how to build

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread Ralph Stirling
) Subject: [Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University email system. To add one more idea to the long-running conversation of how to build a harmonic reduction drive. Here is a working prototype that looks like the flex-cup

[Emc-users] Harmonic drive, rubber flex ring

2021-02-22 Thread Chris Albertson
To add one more idea to the long-running conversation of how to build a harmonic reduction drive. Here is a working prototype that looks like the flex-cup solution is solved. This could work for many years. But the video shows only the idea and a prototype. I would not make this one but

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive HA-600-2 Driver Manual

2015-07-25 Thread Andrew
Hi Curtis, I found this on the net https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fobhnnc20htjvo/HA-600%20Series.pdf?dl=0 Always liked their actuators but never had a chance to test one. Cheers, Andrew 2015-07-25 1:22 GMT+03:00 Curtis Dutton curtd...@gmail.com: I recently acquired an HA-600-2 servo driver as

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive HA-600-2 Driver Manual

2015-07-25 Thread Curtis Dutton
Thank you very much. The actuators seem pretty cool. I'll pipe back up once I get some experience with it. On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Andrew pkm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Curtis, I found this on the net https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fobhnnc20htjvo/HA-600%20Series.pdf?dl=0 Always liked their

[Emc-users] Harmonic Drive HA-600-2 Driver Manual

2015-07-24 Thread Curtis Dutton
I recently acquired an HA-600-2 servo driver as well as a servo actuator that accompanies it. The only trouble, it didn't come with any wires, and no manual. I can't find it on the net and so far the HarmonicDrive people haven't gotten back to me about my request. Does anyone happen to have a pdf

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