Re: [E-devel] Community Building - LoCos

2008-08-07 Thread Toma
Ive put together a couple ideas on a wiki entry. Its all concept stuff at the moment so the sourceforge mailing list doesnt work. I think it could be a great way to get small teams to collaborate on projects and then promote E and their own country. eg. Emulate - EFL based MAME emulator - proudly

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-04 Thread raoul
Le lundi 4 août 2008, Carsten Haitzler a écrit : On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:49:05 +0200 Raoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Here is my feedback about Edje. aaah raoul! - btw.. calaos is fantastic - what you've done is great and you ahve heavily used efl... so it's one of the prime examples here and

[E-devel] Community Building - LoCos

2008-08-03 Thread Toma
As mentioned on the Community Building thread, the idea for LoCos (Local Community) groups seems like a good way for people to feel involved and even get together for a beer or 3. It seems to work well for projects like Ubuntu so I thought Id start by showing the link on how their LoCos are built

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-03 Thread Raoul
Le Saturday 02 August 2008 21:23:30 Carsten Haitzler, vous avez écrit : On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:58:05 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-03 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Raoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, I think there are more important issues with edje at this time. Writing edc using macros are a real pain and a waste of time. Macros are hard to write, hard to debug, hard to maintain and unreadable. We need a better way to

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:49:05 +0200 Raoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Here is my feedback about Edje. aaah raoul! - btw.. calaos is fantastic - what you've done is great and you ahve heavily used efl... so it's one of the prime examples here and your input is very important (as is that of any

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Nick Hughart
dan sinclair wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: Vincent Torri wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and expected. Releasing a 1.0

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Nick Hughart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vincent Torri wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and expected. Releasing a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:53 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: Vincent Torri wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. Changing things in a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:12:00 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh of course. details! :) we can dot the i's and cross the t's soon enough. :) Unfortunately, this really needs to be

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Carsten wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:12:00 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh of course. details! :) we can dot the i's and cross the t's soon enough. :)

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:07:27 -0400 Jose Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:12:00 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh of course.

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:17:43 +1000 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:40:04 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: One idea I discussed with Vincent today is that our lack of releases has caused many users to lose interest and stop taking notice of

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Sebastian Dransfeld
Nick Hughart wrote: dan sinclair wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: Vincent Torri wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 2:18 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:53 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: Vincent Torri wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 2:42 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:12:00 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh of course. details! :) we can dot the i's and cross

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 2:12 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: As I said, it already happened, don't hide under the we did not official 1.0 yet. No, it hasn't. If a company jumped on _alpha_ level software and started to develop around it they have to expect that changes are coming. Hence the

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Nick Hughart
Sebastian Dransfeld wrote: Nick Hughart wrote: dan sinclair wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: Vincent Torri wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Sebastian Dransfeld
Nick Hughart wrote: Sebastian Dransfeld wrote: There is an icon cache with 100 icons. Latest used icons are prepended to the list. If an icon is in the cache, the cache does help. So for a scenario where a user only triggers efreet_icon through f.ex. a small favorite menu in e17, the

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Nick Hughart
Sebastian Dransfeld wrote: Nick Hughart wrote: Sebastian Dransfeld wrote: There is an icon cache with 100 icons. Latest used icons are prepended to the list. If an icon is in the cache, the cache does help. So for a scenario where a user only triggers efreet_icon through f.ex. a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Vincent Torri
If we already know we're going to rip out a major subsystem it isn't time to release. Sure we can draw a line in the sand but it's better to draw the line where it makes sense. After the lua change. Not an arbitrary date for the sake of a release. Again, you are doing the assumption that

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I vote to use LUA for scripting too. I've embedded it into several commercial products in the past. It was each time a really good choose. It's easy to understand, small and I think most important has a really big

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I vote to use LUA for scripting too. I've embedded it into several commercial products in the past. It was each time a really good choose. It's easy to

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:58:05 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I vote to use LUA for scripting too. I've embedded it into several

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 2:58 PM, Vincent Torri wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I vote to use LUA for scripting too. I've embedded it into several commercial products in the past. It was

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Sun, 3 Aug 2008 04:32:01 +1000 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I vote to use LUA for scripting too. I've embedded it into several commercial products in the past. It was each time a really good

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Andreas Volz wrote: If the new scripting language is lUA it should be replaced before releasing edje. My proposal is to create a new branch for LUA integration and then define a fixed time frame for this task. If LUA is integrated in this time frame then we release it

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Andreas Volz wrote: If the new scripting language is lUA it should be replaced before releasing edje. My proposal is to create a new branch for LUA integration and then define a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 04:32 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I vote to use LUA for scripting too. I've embedded it into several commercial products in the past. It was each time a really good choose. It's easy to

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Toma
As crazy as it might seem, id like to hear from mekius and devilhorns about how easy and useful embryo was to them in regards to them in various projects in cvs. As an e17 themer, it hasnt proven much use to me, but i consider myself further to the edje when it comes to embryo and edje talk! Toma

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread lok
Viktor Kojouharov wrote: imho, it both lua and javascript are good choices for this. Though I haven't used lua personally, I only hear good things about it, and the syntax is very C-ish. As far as js is concerned, there's probably a lot more people familiar with it (including me) than lua. And

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread lok
Toma wrote: As crazy as it might seem, id like to hear from mekius and devilhorns about how easy and useful embryo was to them in regards to them in various projects in cvs. As an e17 themer, it hasnt proven much use to me, but i consider myself further to the edje when it comes to embryo and

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 00:38 +0200, lok wrote: Toma wrote: As crazy as it might seem, id like to hear from mekius and devilhorns about how easy and useful embryo was to them in regards to them in various projects in cvs. As an e17 themer, it hasnt proven much use to me, but i consider

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 23:07 +0200, lok wrote: Viktor Kojouharov wrote: imho, it both lua and javascript are good choices for this. Though I haven't used lua personally, I only hear good things about it, and the syntax is very C-ish. As far as js is concerned, there's probably a lot more

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread lok
Viktor Kojouharov wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 23:07 +0200, lok wrote: Viktor Kojouharov wrote: imho, it both lua and javascript are good choices for this. Though I haven't used lua personally, I only hear good things about it, and the syntax is very C-ish. As far as js is

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 5:33 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, Andreas Volz wrote: If the new scripting language is lUA it should be replaced before releasing

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:07:40 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I disagree. 'Compatibility problems' are non-existent, since they will all interact with edje parts, not with one another. And reading someone's code will always be harder if you don't know the language which is

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Blake Barnett
On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:53 PM, dan sinclair wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote: Vincent Torri wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 9:41 PM, Blake Barnett wrote: On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:53 PM, dan sinclair wrote: It all comes down to when you're doing the 2.0 release. If you do a 2.0 release in a few months it looks like we just rushed a 1.0 out the door to say we had a 1.0. Major releases should last a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-02 Thread Blake Barnett
On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:55 PM, dan sinclair wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 9:41 PM, Blake Barnett wrote: On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:53 PM, dan sinclair wrote: It all comes down to when you're doing the 2.0 release. If you do a 2.0 release in a few months it looks like we just rushed a 1.0 out the door

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Toma wrote: On 01/08/2008, Downknew Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Sorry for my bad english, fix me| I think that the e community need: 1. A website well structured. Today it is unusable!!! It should be simple! The first page has to show the power of e (with fresh screenshots, news).

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Downknew Wise wrote: I think that the e community need: 1. A website well structured. Today it is unusable!!! I completely agree It should be simple! The first page has to show the power of e (with fresh screenshots, news). New graphic and new layout (the design is

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Samuel Nicholas
Nick Hughart wrote: Toma wrote: On 01/08/2008, Downknew Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Sorry for my bad english, fix me| I think that the e community need: 1. A website well structured. Today it is unusable!!! It should be simple! The first page has to show the power of e

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:36:55 +0930 Samuel Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Hughart wrote: Toma wrote: LoCo's (local communities) are a great way to get people involved. You just need to find more E users to effectively have a LoCo... I only know 1 other Aussie (PythonNinja) in

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Massimiliano Calamelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:34:54 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right now, e planet has not a lot of topics related to development That's true, and it is bad. If we want to use it we have to clean up the aggregated feeds. In fact

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
That's true, and it is bad. If we want to use it we have to clean up the aggregated feeds. In fact planet is just a feed aggregator, a very good feed aggregator, but imho it could be good to have an official E blog. I really don't see the point of a blog. Why not just put your blog entry in

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 2:34 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: 2. E planet!?! Developers and power users should few lines on e status of developement. This involves. right now, e planet has not a lot of topics related to development You'll also notice that about 90% of planet.e.o content is myself and

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: right now, e planet has not a lot of topics related to development You'll also notice that about 90% of planet.e.o content is myself and benr. Of everyone on the planet it appears that Toma and Horton are the only two who are doing EFL blogging

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Massimiliano Calamelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:03:18 -0400 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't see the point of a blog. Why not just put your blog entry in the news section? The news section is essentially a blog. dan Hmmm, right, I think I misuse

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
Right!!! Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary to the user but it isn't easy to find the informations which you are looking for, I have a question. Why e web site has that layout? The logo on top it's too big and hide the really contents. Menu is divised in two

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Downknew Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right!!! Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary to the user but it isn't easy to find the informations which you are looking for, I have a question. Why e web site has that layout? The

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Matteo
because raster did it like that :-D I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told that they want to keep like that (cvs based). If you keep it CVS-based, it's hard to develop and hard to update with news, topic and more. The EFL was (and will) develop with semplicity

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
2008/8/1 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Downknew Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right!!! Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary to the user but it isn't easy to find the informations which you are looking

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because raster did it like that :-D I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told that they want to keep like that (cvs based). We went through a couple CMS's before, one of which broke

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
the website is in the process of being of being redone. So far it is in the planning stages. Stay tuned! On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/08/2008, Downknew Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |Sorry for my bad english, fix me| I think that the e community

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
Correct, We even looked into cms's before we moved the site onto the new servers. The thing is a lot of them were difficult to design for and quite cumbersome. I'm looking into the options now of reopening up the cms option. I know since we've looked into Cms's projects like drupal and joomla have

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
It will not stay cvs-based We will either make our own php software or use a cms. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Matteo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because raster did it like that :-D I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told that they want to keep like that

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
hold off on redesigning anything yet We have some very specific plans that we're talking about... I will let you know at a later point. but there could be some fun involved in redesigning the website :) On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
I agree, a blog itself is not needed but a good news section is. but now that get-e is mostly closing it's doors I think that opens up more content writers. I'd honestly like to get into the habit of having one article a week or biweekly on someone who's using e's components to build a product or

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Ian Caldwell wrote: the website is in the process of being of being redone. So far it is in the planning stages. Stay tuned! As always, everyone is doing is job without mentioning it. I was not aware of a redesign of the website, i don't know what it will look like. At

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:29:25 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: As always, everyone is doing is job without mentioning it. I was not aware of a redesign of the website, i don't know what it will look like. At least, you should send a mail about that, also you should describe the

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:29:25 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: As always, everyone is doing is job without mentioning it. I was not aware of a redesign of the website, i don't know what it will look like. At least, you should send a mail

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
I've downloaded the e site from cvs. The php backend it's ok but ther's a little problem: seems that the graphic isn't fully divided from the code. In a website complex, such as this, the graphic side should be indipendent from the backend to make the update work and the enhancements, the graphic

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
Sorry... i've read only now the other mails. I'll wait for the new e website... but would be nice if the webdesigner involved the community in the developement, at least with the mailing list... With the last mails i 've understand that this isn't a community... and e cannot have its community...

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Downknew Wise wrote: 2008/8/1 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Downknew Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right!!! Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary to the user but it isn't easy to find

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice. I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing something in secret does not inherently invalidate it or

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Downknew Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sorry... i've read only now the other mails. I'll wait for the new e website... but would be nice if the webdesigner involved the community in the developement, at least with the mailing list... With the last mails i 've

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
I think that the community. if it exists, should be involved!!! Then if raster doesn't mind the e users opinion and does what he belivies right, it isn't very important. But blog, write the plans and the projects in ml on the site on blogs where u want. Many users are tired to see that it changed

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice. I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
First off. Lets clear a couple things up. No one is not involving the community. I was just saying wait a couple days so that we can clear up some details with the boss (raster) . Now if you have opinions on the site share your cms ones in the cms thread and the general ones in the what you want

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 20:38:46 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site on the ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some things that MUST appear on a web site. All I'm saying is, if something better had come

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading the project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose things to committers. So why are you afraid he'll do so? i am not, it's the contrary. I just want that some

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading the project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose things to committers. So why are you

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 10:40 AM, Matteo wrote: because raster did it like that :-D I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told that they want to keep like that (cvs based). If you keep it CVS-based, it's hard to develop and hard to update with news, topic and more.

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 2:49 PM, Michael Jennings wrote: On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 20:38:46 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site on the ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some things that MUST appear on a web

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:52:31 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:36:55 +0930 Samuel Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Hughart wrote: Toma wrote: LoCo's (local communities) are a great way to get people involved. You just need to find more

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:40:04 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Since the most recent license flamewar was triggered by the motivation of community building, I think now would be an appropriate time to brainstorm some additional ideas for helping to build the community around

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 7:40 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: I can do that. I've been reading the CVS logs, E-devel discussions and stuff for years, so I think I can post news and blog about the major events in the community/changes in the E(FL). The problem is, I am quite tech- interested, but

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: yeah. i agree we need releases. it's probably our biggest issue. right now in lib-space i'd want to clean up 2 major thnigs that are currently underway: 1. eina - move fully to using it. remove all data stuff from ecore/

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add news items about them that point back to the blog. http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ Any suggestions, guys? dan -- Luchezar P.

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to bite the bullet and deal with it now and get it done. I completely agree.

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:27:30 -0400 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: yeah. i agree we need releases. it's probably our biggest issue. right now in lib-space i'd want to clean up 2 major thnigs that are currently

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:40:29 +0300 Luchezar Petkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:17 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can do that. I've been reading the CVS logs, E-devel discussions and stuff for years, so I think I can post news and blog

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add news items about them that point back to the blog. http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ This

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add news items about them that point

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:46 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: There is also a bug in Edje that has bitten us in Ewl a few times where re-using Edje objects seems to cause strange things to hang around. I believe pfritz was the last person to look into this so he might have some more

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:55 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:57:03 -0400 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 1-Aug-08, at 8:46 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: There is also a bug in Edje that has bitten us in Ewl a few times where re-using Edje objects seems to cause strange things to hang around. I believe

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
It only seems to be happening to you and Tomas blog. Everyone else is fine. It isn't wordpress in general as my blog is wordpress and it works fine. Just the two that are served from wordpress.com. Should I consider moving the blog to another blog hosting service then? dan --

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:55 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:27:30 -0400 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: 2. edje - i have been mulling dropping embryo in favor of lua.

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 12:33 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: Guys, maybe you're forgetting about it, maybe you're hiding behind the we have not released a stable version for this reason, but the fact is that this will happen even now. Since there was not a release, people just assumed that CVS

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:39 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 12:33 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: Guys, maybe you're forgetting about it, maybe you're hiding behind the we have not released a stable version for this reason, but the fact is that this will happen

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 12:52 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:39 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're releasing something before it should be released just to give the impression of a 1.0 for something that isn't 1.0. That leaves a worse taste as a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to bite the bullet and deal with it now and get it done. and what about people that use

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:02 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 12:52 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:39 AM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're releasing something before it should be released just to give the impression of a 1.0

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh of course. details! :) we can dot the i's and cross the t's soon enough. :) Unfortunately, this really needs to be done sooner than later. Without a license listed, we now need to get the permission of

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 2-Aug-08, at 1:03 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to bite the bullet and deal with it

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking about the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and expected. Releasing a 1.0 and then breaking it or making major changes a few months down the road is a very bad

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: On 2-Aug-08, at 1:03 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing off a lot of people that create themes and applications.

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