My statement was how is this different than other manufacturers?
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On Thursday, March 18, 2021, 2:51 PM, -Phil- wrote:
I currently own 3 Teslas, and have owned close to 20 since my first brand-new
Model S in 2015. All cars since the 2015 have been salvage.
On 3/18/21 5:06 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
It occurs to me that:
= Out of warranty service is extremely expensive, often better to replace
I have a Tesla that's been out of warranty for five years or so. I've
found your observation to be incorrect. Tesla has pledged to not
It occurs to me that:
1. Apple is like Tesla.
= Expensive
= Goes fast and far
= Gorgeous, polished, elegant, smoothly integrated hardware & software
= Only manufacturer-approved hardware and software add-ons are possible
= Everything just works, almost flawlessly, including official add-ons
=
unfair.
Peri
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From: "(-Phil-)"
To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List"
Sent: 18-Mar-21 12:32:11 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
I currently own 3 Teslas, and have owned close to 20 since my first
brand-new Model S in 2015. All cars since the 2015 have been salvage. To
be clear, I love Tesla, their mission, their engineering, and their cars.
They have a lot of work to do on customer satisfaction, quality control,
and
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> Cc: "(-Phil-)"
> Sent: 17-Mar-21 2:41:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
>
> >
> >But the main thing here is Tesla is not just blocking cars on their
> network, they are altering YOU
Do you own a Tesla? It doesn't sound like it by this rant.
They don't prevent you from fixing salvaged vehicle. The only prevent using the
Supercharger network.They allow it if you pass their inspection. You can charge
a Tesla from other sources.
My insurance rates are not high. Someone backed
oes title 1030 apply ?
Peri
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Sent: 17-Mar-21 2:41:25 PM
Subject: Re: [EV
was 3200.
>
> From: EV on behalf of J Bills via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 11:14 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; Peri Hartman <
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> Cc: J Bills
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Es
:14 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; Peri Hartman
Cc: J Bills
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
I can't seem to find the towing capacity of the Escape. I don't know that I've
ever seen a boat behind one of those... might be worth double checking.
A lot of people
I can re-enable it, and have done so for more than I will bother to
quantify.
Of course Tesla can see it. They are even happy to collect the fees.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 7:22 PM Alan Arrison via EV
wrote:
> How can you re-enable fast charging? Won't Tesla see the blacklisted
> serial number?
How can you re-enable fast charging? Won't Tesla see the blacklisted
serial number?
On 3/17/2021 2:32 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
Tesla has a policy where if they find out your car is salvage or has been
in an accident that deployed the airbags, they deem it unsafe to use on
their supercharger
Early on in the Model S program (Gen 1 cars) they had a fire at a
supercharger in Norway because an official Tesla Tech replaced the HV
junction box (located under the rear seat) and didn't tighten the
connections properly.
On the Gen2 cars that came out in late 2014, they added a whole bunch of
If the car is salvaged, it typically means that an insurance company has
declared it "un-repairable" and then somebody else buys it for
scrap/parts/salvage.
[The original owner is compensated by their insurance.]
While it is legal to repair a salvage title vehicle and get it re-titled
for
Geez, so big brother Tesla disables Fast charging if you get in an accident
with your $50k+ car so you have to buy a new one!
Thanks for the info Phil. It’s a felony but They do it anyway? Maybe a felony
for a pion individual but not a rich company with many lawyers.
Stay Charged,
Mark
Sent
Tesla has a policy where if they find out your car is salvage or has been
in an accident that deployed the airbags, they deem it unsafe to use on
their supercharger network. Of course they have that right. What they
don't have the right to do is access the vehicle without the owner's
permission
n List"
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Sent: 16-Mar-21 7:34:35 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
On 16 Mar 2021 at 20:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Where I disagree is your comparison of tesla and apple. What apple did
is terribly disingenuous. And they got nailed fo
Hi Gail & All,
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your clarity!!!
[Although I began my journey with the EVDL some 25+ years ago (mostly just an
old geezer lurker now), but having recently *acquired a Model Y, I sincerely
appreciate you pointing out the higher (correct?) course of action Mark
On 3/16/21 9:29 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
I have extensive experience hacking on Teslas since 2015. I have literally
touched thousands of salvage Teslas (mostly remotely and with the request
and permission of their owners) to help them get the cars operational
again, and there is a very
Hi Phil
Why were their Tesla’s disabled?
Best regards
Mark
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On Mar 16, 2021, at 10:30 PM, (-Phil-) wrote:
I have extensive experience hacking on Teslas since 2015. I have literally
touched thousands of salvage Teslas (mostly remotely and with the request and
permission
On 3/16/21 12:10 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
Thanks Paul
I haven’t either, the trailer sticks out obstructing gas station traffic so you
have to detach the boat (and With a heavy tongue might need a wheel dolly). I
saw online some folks charging with campers behind their Y but maybe
Hi Mark,
The Tesla is the safest car on the market. I have seen videos of
horrendous crashes from which the Tesla occupants walked away. You say
your wife has trouble driving, which may make it more likely she would
have an accident. Consider whether disconnecting the boat is more
important
On 16 Mar 2021 at 21:47, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> If Tesla discovers the methods I use, they will block them, so it has
> to be kept under wraps for the good of the project.
That stinks. Don't you hate it when manufacturers treat you like their
enemy just because you behave like you actually
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 8:37 PM EVDL Administrator via EV
wrote:
> Is it server software that could be installed anywhere? Could a Tesla
> owner
> install it on his own internet-connected computer, and then crack the
> Tesla's software so the Tesla speaks only with that computer?
>
It's
On 16 Mar 2021 at 19:29, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> I have literally touched thousands of salvage Teslas ... there is a very
> high success rate. (>99%) Many of these cars are no longer connected
> to Tesla's servers, and operate just fine.
That's good news!
> I have created a new backend
Hey, this is awesome to hear!
- Mark
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> On Mar 16, 2021, at 7:30 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
>
> I have extensive experience hacking on Teslas since 2015. I have literally
> touched thousands of salvage Teslas (mostly remotely and with the request
> and
On 16 Mar 2021 at 20:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Where I disagree is your comparison of tesla and apple. What apple did
> is terribly disingenuous. And they got nailed for it. But it's very
> different from tesla stating that, if you want "self driving," you need
> to pay $10k for it to
I have extensive experience hacking on Teslas since 2015. I have literally
touched thousands of salvage Teslas (mostly remotely and with the request
and permission of their owners) to help them get the cars operational
again, and there is a very high success rate. (>99%) Many of these cars
are
Thanks Paul
I haven’t either, the trailer sticks out obstructing gas station traffic so you
have to detach the boat (and With a heavy tongue might need a wheel dolly). I
saw online some folks charging with campers behind their Y but maybe found
special charging stations. I found one that
tle.org/ >>
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From: "EVDL Administrator via EV"
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
Cc: "EVDL Administrator"
Sent: 16-Mar-21 11:28:21 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
Mark, have you looked into obtaining
Mark, have you looked into obtaining service manuals and the challenges of
working on your own Tesla? I get the impression (correct me if I'm wrong)
that Tesla discourages owners from doing anything but driving their cars.
And by "their," I mean Tesla, not you. From what I can tell, you don't
especially). Might be
worth a look.
From: EV on behalf of paul dove via EV
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 09:22 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ; Peri Hartman
Cc: paul dove
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
I have a friend who owned an Escape PHEV
quot;Mark Hanson"
Sent: 16-Mar-21 7:57:34 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
>
>
>Hi
>I’m having trouble deciding between a Ford Escape PHEV (37 miles EV range)
>$32k-6.8kFed or a Tesla-Y $50k (316 Mile range) The Tesla has auto driving
>capability, can be added
Can you charge with a trailor attached on non-Tesla charger? I haven't seen
any charging that follows the gas station model.
On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 9:57:49 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV
wrote:
Hi
I’m having trouble deciding between a Ford Escape PHEV (37 miles EV range)
Hanson"
Sent: 16-Mar-21 7:57:34 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Tesla Y vs Escape PHEV
Hi
I’m having trouble deciding between a Ford Escape PHEV (37 miles EV range)
$32k-6.8kFed or a Tesla-Y $50k (316 Mile range) The Tesla has auto driving
capability, can be added anytime for an additional $1
Sounds like the question is whether you should drive an EV or a gas powered car
with a few electric miles. You sound like the gas engine is your main source of
motive power.
You need to think about WHY you want an EV, or does it have nothing to do with
the source of power? Clean air important
Hi
I’m having trouble deciding between a Ford Escape PHEV (37 miles EV range)
$32k-6.8kFed or a Tesla-Y $50k (316 Mile range) The Tesla has auto driving
capability, can be added anytime for an additional $10k (As full capability is
added) since My wife has trouble driving now and won’t
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