On Apr 8, 2015, at 6:36 AM, tomw via EV wrote:
> Nothing in his lab's list of peer-reviewed publications on this topic:
>
> http://dailab.stanford.edu/pubs.htm
My friend was able to get me a copy of the Nature article.
The short version...is that I won't be replicating their work at home. Howe
Nothing in his lab's list of peer-reviewed publications on this topic:
http://dailab.stanford.edu/pubs.htm
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That's why fast chargers are DC like Chademo. I thought about building one with
batteries. Slow charge them while you are asleep or at work and then fast dump
them in the car when you need it. Lot of expense for something I only need once
in a while. You can buy small ones made from lithium poly
s of electricity per kilogram compared to lithium's 100 to 206
> W/kg power density."
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> Bill
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On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> Your needs may differ but, for me, unequivocally the charge time is more
> important.
I'm not discounting the importance of charge time. It's just my understanding
that the batteries today aren't the limiting factor in charging. Actually
On 7 Apr 2015 at 16:50, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> and a 1-minute *dischargeable* battery. That's probably an even bigger deal
> than the charge time.
The only person I can imagine who might think that a one-minute discharge is
a big deal is a drag racer. The rest of us generally want to drive o
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On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Cor van de Water via EV
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Time will tell if we soon wi
On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Time will tell if we soon will have a 1-minute rechargeable battery
...and a 1-minute *dischargeable* battery. That's probably an even bigger deal
than the charge time.
Right now, charging times seem to be limited on all sorts of
David wrote:
>>...though perhaps you might have been more skeptical. ;-)
David,
Typical aluminum-air cells have a power density of around 60-70 W/kg, so
40 W/kg didn't seem out of line. To the contrary, it's the 3000 W/kg number
that seems awfully high.
Bill
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Cor wrote:
> Who do you tru
Cor wrote:
> Who do you trust...
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/04/flexible-aluminum-battery-charges-fas
t-stable-for-over-7000-cycles/ -- "But the fact that aluminum atoms only
transferred a single electron when they transited to the cathode is really
not taking full advantage of
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> I do not have a Nature subscription
> but I looked at the abstract again and noticed the pictures underneath.
> Click on t
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I do not have a Nature subscription
but I looked at the abstract again and noticed the pictures
battery from Stanford
On Apr 7, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> the electrolyte is not specified other than the phrase "intercalation of
> chloroaluminate anions in the graphite"
I see that in the abstract...is that what you're referring to, or do you h
On Apr 7, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> the electrolyte is not specified other than the phrase "intercalation of
> chloroaluminate anions in the graphite"
I see that in the abstract...is that what you're referring to, or do you have
the full article?
I've asked a friend w
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Ben,
the electrolyte is not specified other than the phrase "intercalation of
chloroaluminate anions in the graphite"
Cor van de Water
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If I have the back of the envelope right...if you
On 7 Apr 2015 at 16:34, Bill Dennis via EV wrote:
> Here's the URL to the article I quoted, plus the paragraph from the article
> itself:
I see the problem. Not your fault, though perhaps you might have been more
skeptical. ;-) It looks like the news release's writer was either carelss or
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> Their current version of the battery has only 40 watts of electricity per
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Who do you trust - Nature or this gatget article that has no clue that
electricity is not stored in Watts but in Watt hours...
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Here's the URL to the a
On 7 Apr 2015 at 15:59, Bill Dennis via EV wrote:
> Their current version of the battery has only 40 watts of electricity per
> kilogram compared to lithium's 100 to 206 W/kg power density
You can't compare Watts/kg with Watt-hours/kg. That's like comparing
horsepower to gallons.
David Roden -
kilogram compared to lithium's 100 to 206
W/kg power density."
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Indeed...I just checked the abstract and it cites 70 mAh/g. It's an
unfair comparison because of all the extra hardware from the box and
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You may be confusing power and energy
On Apr 7, 2015 2:59 PM, "Bill Dennis via EV" wrote:
Their current version of the battery has only 40 watts of electricity per
kilogram compared to lithium's
Indeed...I just checked the abstract and it cites 70 mAh/g. It's an unfair
comparison because of all the extra hardware from the box and what-not, but a
CALB 180 Ah battery weighs 5.6 kg, which works out to 32 mAh/g. That they're in
the same order of magnitude tells me this may well be competiti
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You may be confusing power and energy
On Apr 7, 2015 2:59 PM, "Bill Dennis via EV" wrote:
Their cu
t the same power. That might get better as they improve
> the cells, of course.
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> Bill
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Does anybody know any more about this resea
It sure looks interesting, more information here:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14340.html
If I did the math correctly it seems like it's in the 120-140 wh/kg range.
Certainly usable for EVs.
Hopefully it makes it out of the lab.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:11 PM, B
Does anybody know any more about this research?
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/march/aluminum-ion-battery-033115.html
Aluminum anode; graphite cathode. Unspecified salt for the electrolyte.
It's only about two volts. The rest of the specs are vague...nothing at all
about capacity. They cla
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