Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk about the search of extraterrestrial intelligence

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 May 2013, at 19:39, Stephen Paul King wrote: We should add that computationalism postulates that consciousness is a process that can be exactly specified by a recursively enumerable function. No? Well, OK, but with Church Thesis, we can just say computable function, or

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 May 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: I don't know. It would seem you would want to believe that if you were going to say yes to the doctor, since the doctor is relying functionalism to ensure the replacement works. But Bruno's UD computes all functions and he theorizes that 1p

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 00:24, meekerdb wrote: On 5/13/2013 2:49 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Does the UD compute *all* functions or only those that are recursively enumerable? It computes all of them. It computes only the computable one. But it generates all inputs and streams, like in the

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 May 2013, at 23:49, Stephen Paul King wrote: Does the UD compute *all* functions or only those that are recursively enumerable? AFAIK, the latter, as a set, has a measure zero as a subset of the former. This is one reason why I worry about the viability of UDA (and AUDA), it

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 00:30, Stephen Paul King wrote: So all possible functions are computed equally? ISTM that some functions would take an eternity to compute and that the number of such vastly outnumber the recursively enumerable ones. Non-computable function cannot be computed. But we

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 00:57, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 03:24:09PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 5/13/2013 2:49 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Does the UD compute *all* functions or only those that are recursively enumerable? It computes all of them. Brent Sorry - it does

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk

Re: A thought on right and left hemispheres and reality - and their relationship to 'comp'

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 04:15, Pierz wrote: On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:13:19 AM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 09:30, Pierz wrote: On Monday, May 13, 2013 2:49:32 AM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote: The inside view comes when we agree that knowledge obeys to S4, and we

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 11:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... The author failed to make definitions for artificial and natural. Could you define these terms? The

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 14.05.2013 11:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... The author failed to make

The New Tractatus (ver. 1.0)

2013-05-14 Thread Roger Clough
The New Tractatus (ver. 1.0) by Roger Clough, copyright 2013 Introduction. It is said that Wittgenstein spent the first half of his life writing the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (TLP) and the second half disproving it. It became the Bible of the Vienna Circle of the thirties of analytic

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 13:39 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 14.05.2013 11:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and artificial. Do you know things that are just natural and where the term artificial is not applicable? If yes, what is the difference in your

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and artificial. Do you know things that are just natural and where the term artificial is not

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and artificial. Do you know things that are

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread meekerdb
On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 21:45, meekerdb wrote: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread meekerdb
On 5/14/2013 1:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 21:45, meekerdb wrote: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread John Mikes
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk