Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:24:05 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:06 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> According to Brent, Laplace was aware that due to inherent measurement >> inaccuracies we cannot know the exact configuation of the universe at any >> time,

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:06 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> According to Brent, Laplace was aware that due to inherent measurement > inaccuracies we cannot know the exact configuation of the universe at any > time, so in fact we can't predict its past and future with any accuracy > (only for

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 12:32:13 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 2:27 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 12:19:40 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:59 AM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/24/2019 12:42 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 9/24/2019 8:44 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > The many-histories is a logical consequence of the theory. To assume a > theory without accepting its consequence is

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 12:32:13 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 2:27 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 12:19:40 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:59 AM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:12:00 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/24/2019 8:44 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > The many-histories is a logical consequence of the theory. To assume a > > theory without accepting its consequence is just wrong, or irrational. > > The theory, quantum

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/24/2019 8:44 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: The many-histories is a logical consequence of the theory. To assume a theory without accepting its consequence is just wrong, or irrational. The theory, quantum mechanics, is probabilistic. Brent -- You received this message because you are

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/24/2019 1:22 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 3:05:39 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:36:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/24/2019 12:36 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 9/23/2019 6:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 2:27 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 12:19:40 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:59 AM Alan Grayson >> wrote: >> >> >> Sean Carroll: So Isaac Newton came up with the rules of classical mechanics in the

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 12:19:40 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:59 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > >> Sean Carroll: >>> >>> So Isaac Newton came up with the rules of classical mechanics in the >>> 1600s, but it wasn't until Laplace around the year 1800 that

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:59 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> Sean Carroll: >> >> So Isaac Newton came up with the rules of classical mechanics in the >> 1600s, but it wasn't until Laplace around the year 1800 that this >> implication of classical mechanics was realized. >> It's a clockwork universe.

Re: Quantum Supremacy

There is a excellent FAQ by Quantum Computer expert Scott Aaronson. Aaronson is noted for throwing cold water over claims of a breakthrough in his field, but not this time! Aaronson is clearly excited, he compares Google's Quantum Computer to the Wright brothers 1903 flyer or Enrico Fermi's 1942

Re: Something Deeply Hidden

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 10:32:28 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2019, at 23:21, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 12:10:00 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2019, at 14:35, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday,

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:23 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> I think you need to indicate how, out of the set of all computations, >> you can pick the correct ones from the incorrect ones without the help of >> matter that obeys the laws of physics. >> > > *> How do you suppose the laws of physics pick

Re: Something Deeply Hidden

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 23:21, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 12:10:00 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Sep 2019, at 14:35, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 6:28:17 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 21,

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 19:41, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:43:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Sep 2019, at 01:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > > wrote: > > > > Consciousness being algorimthic or Mechanism? and what notion of truth

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:23:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Sep 2019, at 10:22, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 3:05:39 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:36:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:40:57 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 4:22 PM Jason Resch > wrote: > > > *This Halloween will mark 6 years since you agreed with Step 3,* > > > *BULLSHIT! * > > This is the entire post and even though 6 years has passed I stand by >

Re: Quantum Supremacy

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 15:27, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 23 sept. 2019 à 15:23, John Clark > a écrit : > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:42 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Mathematically, it is still an open problem if a quantum

Re: Quantum Supremacy

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 16:30, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 7:23:44 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:42 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Mathematically, it is still an open problem if a quantum computer really > > speed-up the

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Sep 2019, at 15:18, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 5:21:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>

Re: Quantum Supremacy

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 16:30, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 7:23:44 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:42 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Mathematically, it is still an open problem if a quantum computer really > > speed-up the

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2019, at 15:18, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 5:21:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 15:18, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 5:21:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday,

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 4:22 PM Jason Resch wrote: > *This Halloween will mark 6 years since you agreed with Step 3,* *BULLSHIT! * This is the entire post and even though 6 years has passed I stand by every word and wouldn't change anything: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Jason Resch

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 03:57, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/19/2019 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 16 Sep 2019, at 22:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/16/2019 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: As I said I my other

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:38:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2019, at 13:11, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:48:56 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Sep 2019, at 03:17, Alan Grayson wrote: >> On Thursday, September 19,

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 00:05, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 2:05 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:01:46 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 9/22/2019 11:36 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, September 22,

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 13:11, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:48:56 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Sep 2019, at 03:17, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:56:25 PM UTC-6, stathisp wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:47,

Re: Another physicist in mental decline (Sean Carroll)

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 12:50, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 4:14:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Sep 2019, at 05:24, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22,

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 03:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 4:23 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> Yet, assuming an arithmetical world governed by arithmetical laws, you can >> derive the appearance of a physical universe governed by physical laws. > > If only it

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 00:43, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:41 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > > Jason thinks I must be suffering from buyer's remorse because I "spent > $80,000 when he is already saved by arithmetic" he concludes this because on >

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 17:59, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 9:23:29 AM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:51 AM John Clark > > wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > if you think that Carroll’s got it right, you

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 17:41, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:31 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 22 Sep 2019, at 11:43, John Clark > > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:41 AM Jason Resch >

Re: Sean Carroll gets past "Step 3" of the UDA

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 12:50, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > if you think that Carroll’s got it right, you do accept step 3, (as Carroll > > accept it, according to Jason) > > If Jason thinks Carroll accepts it

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 10:22, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 3:05:39 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:36:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 09:36, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/23/2019 6:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 03:44, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 6:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> But other quantum experts use

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 24 Sep 2019, at 03:24, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> But other quantum experts use decoherence to explain quantum phenomena >> without invoking multiple universes. > >

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 22:54, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> By isolating the system, you can avoid “future entanglement”, and dismiss >> older, but when an entanglement is made, without collapse, by linearity of >> both

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 23 Sep 2019, at 20:59, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 1:30:35 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Sep 2019, at 14:57, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:39:14 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: Quantum Supremacy

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:23:44 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:42 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > *> Mathematically, it is still an open problem if a quantum computer >> really speed-up the computations, but like with P = NP, most experts have >> few doubt that

Re: Long-Standing Problem of 'Golden Ratio' and Other Irrational Numbers Solved with 'Magical Simplicity' | Space

On Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 4:15:17 AM UTC-5, Samiya wrote: > > > > https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-proof-solves-80-year-old-irrational-number-problem/ > > This is curious. The golden mean or φ = ½(1 + √5) is connected to a range of mathematics with exceptional and

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 3:05:39 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:36:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/23/2019 6:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:36:42 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/23/2019 6:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:44:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/23/2019 6:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 3:44:49 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/23/2019 11:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> *But other quantum experts use decoherence to