Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 16:26, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: This *looks* like a description of the salvia experience, but term like anti-consciousness is a bit pejorative for that, although it has anti-life aspect, pointing on the fact that theology is not much pro-life. That would

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-30 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Oct 2013, at 13:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: there is great value in a way to access experience which pretends that it is not pretending. This is quanta and arithmetic truth. I would say that is different. It is

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:33:51 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 26 October 2013 20:01, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:09:47 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: The argument

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 13:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:27:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Oct 2013, at 02:25, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 26, 2013 7:06:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Oct 2013, at 14:04, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:09:47 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers could do this or that, but our experience does not

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2013, at 19:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:11:04 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2013, at 18:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:16:55 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, October 26, 2013 3:30:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2013, at 19:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:11:04 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2013, at 18:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:16:55 AM UTC-4,

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Oct 2013, at 11:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 26, 2013 3:30:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2013, at 19:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:11:04 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2013, at 18:53, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-26 Thread LizR
On 26 October 2013 20:01, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:09:47 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-26 Thread LizR
On 27 October 2013 13:25, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Build your non-comp theory. Comp implies the consistency (possibility) of such theory. I wish I had time to read all the above, but for now at least the bottom line seems to be here! -- You received this message because

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Oct 2013, at 18:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:16:55 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip My problem is that you need to do the math

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:11:04 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2013, at 18:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:16:55 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers could do this or that, but our experience does not support that it has ever happened. In the mean time, the view that I suggest

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread meekerdb
On 10/25/2013 4:09 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers could do this or that, but our experience does not

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
On 26 October 2013 12:39, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/25/2013 4:09 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 October 2013 06:23, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The argument against comp is not one of impossibility, but of empirical failure. Sure, numbers could do this or that,

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-25 Thread LizR
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Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-24 Thread freqflyer07281972
and the ultimate disproof of God) Peace On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:54:45 PM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:13:33 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
6:13:33 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip My problem is that you need to do the math to evaluate how much seriously you can take this remark. Under comp, why couldn't I just imagine tasting the flavor of

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-24 Thread Stephen Lin
Here's the deal...how about I go to the Garden of Eden and everyone else keep exploring until we finish. Ill never know the difference.. NOT EDEN PRIME though. And don't think about Red or 42 this time. Thanks,s Stephen On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote:

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:16:55 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip My problem is that you need to do the math to evaluate how much seriously you can take

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Oct 2013, at 00:15, meekerdb wrote: On 10/23/2013 9:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely

Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called true contradictions, or dialetheia

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dialetheismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dialetheismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dialetheismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called true contradictions, or dialetheia. Dialetheism

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called true contradictions, or dialetheia. Dialetheism

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Ooops, I did it again, I played with your heart. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dialetheismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Go meet Roger Please stop the spamming. 2013/10/23 Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu Ooops, I did it again, I played with your heart. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2013 9:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Oct 2013, at 17:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Stephen Lin - I may be forced to create a filter to automatically delete your messages if you don't have anything sensible to say. Do you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Yes I did. Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will Yes. Stream of consciousness? Yes, already, after the ghosts in the shells it's not that easy to be a turtle who's green? Red/green color vision. Cogito

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
If anyone is still in doubt that Mr Lin is trolling, try googling Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will Yes. (including the quote marks). As you will see, the most sensible response to this is Oh, cr*p -

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2013 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called true contradictions, or dialetheia. Doublethink as defined in 1984

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:25 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/23/2013 3:13 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
Whereever you go, there you are! On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone is still in doubt that Mr Lin is trolling, try googling Tomorrow this will be harder but today this is the easiest thing in the world. Bill Murray? Andie MacDowell? Yes I said yes I will

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread LizR
Always take the weather with you. I feel a spam filter coming on. On 24 October 2013 12:29, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: Whereever you go, there you are! On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone is still in doubt that Mr Lin is trolling, try

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
This is better: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#label/everything-list/141e79c24d12e062http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=634170 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Always take the weather with you. I feel a spam filter coming on. On 24

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
I have the perfect James Joyce! On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Lin sw...@post.harvard.edu wrote: This is better: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#label/everything-list/141e79c24d12e062http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=634170 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Stephen Lin
This is better: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#label/everything-list/141e79c24d12e062http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=634170 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Always take the weather with you. I feel a spam filter coming on. On 24

Re: Dialetheism

2013-10-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:13:33 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 24 October 2013 04:39, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialetheism Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely