Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 23 Dec 2013, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote: On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom of privacy and privateness. Crypto-currencies does not need to be a pyramidal con, like Quentin suspects. They just allowed to cr

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/23/2013 8:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/23/2013 6:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jas

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/23/2013 6:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 12/23/2013 9:07 A

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/23/2013 6:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Brun

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom >> of privac

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013/12/23 meekerdb > On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom >> of privacy and privateness. >> >> Cryp

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom of privacy and privateness. Crypt

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom > of privacy and privateness. > > Crypto-currencies does not need to be a pyramidal con, like Quentin > suspects. They just

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom of privacy and privateness. Crypto-currencies does not need to be a pyramidal con, like Quentin suspects. They just allowed to create new independent banks which can do their w

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:29, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> > On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> >> >>>

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/22/2013 7:59 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's pretty much happened in

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:40 PM, LizR wrote: > On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's pretty much >> happened in all the OECD nations, except the U.S. and it would be the case >> there too except for immigration from the sou

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >>> > >>> On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

Yes, I know that one. So I will add to my wish list ... and I continue to dream! :-) On 21 December 2013 12:53, John Mikes wrote: > Liz: we had a stereotypic reply in Hungary applicable to what you wrote > *And THEN you woke up.* > John > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM, LizR wrote: > >>

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Liz: we had a stereotypic reply in Hungary applicable to what you wrote *And THEN you woke up.* John On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM, LizR wrote: > On 20 December 2013 09:25, John Mikes wrote: > >> How would you imagine to save the world (I mean: humanity)? >> > > Someone out there discover th

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On 20 December 2013 09:25, John Mikes wrote: > How would you imagine to save the world (I mean: humanity)? > Someone out there discover the psychological root causes of all the bad stuff we do and design a retrovirus that will fix them. Turn us all into saints - until we're invaded by aliens, we

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Liz - with all y appreciation for your so far experienced stance - you seem feministic if you believe *("**Wherever women are given equal rights the birth rate drops dramatically") *assuming a superb mental position by the child-bearing gender. Just thik about e.g. Mrs Romney - a woman with extensi

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM, LizR wrote: > On 19 December 2013 12:13, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> All the transactions that occurred so far are registered in a file >> that is shared between the nodes in the network. New transactions are >> broadcast to many nodes. >> >> One of these node

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On 19 December 2013 12:13, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > All the transactions that occurred so far are registered in a file > that is shared between the nodes in the network. New transactions are > broadcast to many nodes. > > One of these nodes is going to be lucky enough to find a way to > incorpor

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM, LizR wrote: > On 19 December 2013 10:09, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> 2013/12/18 LizR >>> >>> On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal > > On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Depend

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On 19 December 2013 11:24, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> > This is often repeated but not true. The blockchain can be truncated > >> > and old transaction discarded. > >> > >> What about the remaining of what I said? > > > > In that case, too, the blockchain was truncated and the old transaction >

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Le 18 déc. 2013 23:21, "LizR" a écrit : > > On 19 December 2013 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Le 18 déc. 2013 22:37, "Telmo Menezes" a écrit : >> >> > >> >> > This is often repeated but not true. The blockchain can be truncated >> > and old transaction discarded. >> >> What about the remai

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 19 December 2013 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Le 18 déc. 2013 22:37, "Telmo Menezes" a écrit : > > > > This is often repeated but not true. The blockchain can be truncated > > and old transaction discarded. > > What about the remaining of what I said? > In that case, too, the blockchain wa

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

Le 18 déc. 2013 22:37, "Telmo Menezes" a écrit : > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > > > > 2013/12/18 LizR > >> > >> On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >>> > >>> 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal > > On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

Le 18 déc. 2013 22:31, "LizR" a écrit : > > On 19 December 2013 10:09, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> 2013/12/18 LizR >>> >>> On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal > > On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> Depends

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/12/18 LizR >> >> On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 19 December 2013 10:09, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > 2013/12/18 LizR > >> On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >>> 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal >>> On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it can lead to a >>>

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013/12/18 LizR > On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal >> >>> On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it can lead to a society with more individual freedoms, for example. >>>

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On 19 December 2013 08:01, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > 2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal > >> On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it can lead to a >>> society with more individual freedoms, for example. >>> >> >> I don't think it can... c

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2013/12/18 Bruno Marchal > > On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it can lead to a >> society with more individual freedoms, for example. >> > > I don't think it can... can you give argument how bitcoin would achieve > that ? > >

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 18 Dec 2013, at 17:44, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 December 2013 00:34, Telmo Menezes wrote: And the policy is generally adjusted to try produce small, but positive inflation. This is because deflation is considered unstable. Inflation

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 18 Dec 2013, at 09:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Depends on the problem you're considering, I think it can lead to a society with more individual freedoms, for example. I don't think it can... can you give argument how bitcoin would achieve that ? Bitcoin was not deflationist at the start,

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM, LizR wrote: > On 18 December 2013 00:34, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> > And the policy is generally adjusted to try produce small, but positive >> > inflation. This is because deflation is considered unstable. Inflation >> > is >> > stable and encourages investmen

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/12/18 Telmo Menezes >> >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/12/18 Telmo Menezes >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Quentin Anciaux >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/12/18 Telmo Menezes >> >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/12/17 Telmo Menezes >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> > On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, T

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

Sent: Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:40 pm Subject: Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb wrote: The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's prettymuch happened in all the OECD nations, except the U.S. and it would

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/12/17 Telmo Menezes >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> > On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Te

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 18 December 2013 16:51, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/17/2013 7:32 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 18 December 2013 13:00, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/17/2013 3:40 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> >>> The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's p

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On 12/17/2013 7:32 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 December 2013 13:00, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/17/2013 3:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 18 December 2013 13:00, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/17/2013 3:40 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's pretty >> much happened in all the OECD nations, except the U.S. and it would be the >> case ther

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/17/2013 3:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's pretty much happened in all the OECD nations, except the U.S. and it would be the case there too except for immig

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On 18 December 2013 12:23, meekerdb wrote: > > The first step has to be to stop population growth. That's pretty much > happened in all the OECD nations, except the U.S. and it would be the case > there too except for immigration from the south. How to stop population > growth: *educate women*

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/17/2013 11:15 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 December 2013 00:34, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > And the policy is generally adjusted to try produce small, but positive > inflation. This is because deflation is considered unstable. Inflation is > stable and e

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On 18 December 2013 00:34, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > And the policy is generally adjusted to try produce small, but positive > > inflation. This is because deflation is considered unstable. Inflation > is > > stable and encourages investment because just holding money loses value. > > Yup, it's

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013/12/17 Telmo Menezes > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >>> > >>> On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 17 December 2013 09:02, meekerdb wrote: > You always refer to "central" banks. But all banks always did this. The > bank would take 1M$ in deposits and then make 10M$ in loans, depending on > the fact that statistically only a few depositors would ask for their money > at any one time. So t

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:27, LizR wrote: I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that ba

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 16 Dec 2013, at 09:59, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 21:52, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perhaps "politician" should not be a profession. We would vote for programs and ideas, and let them implemented by

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On 16 December 2013 21:52, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: > > On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> Perhaps "politician" should not be a profession. We would vote for >> programs and ideas, and let them implemented by a random sample of the >> po

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On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perhaps "politician" should not be a profession. We would vote for programs and ideas, and let them implemented by a random sample of the population through some social services, or by well sworn robots

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:27, LizR wrote: >> >> I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing >> our weal

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:27, LizR wrote: I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing our wealth - as indeed are rich people

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 16 December 2013 11:24, James Tauber wrote: > Yes, I agree with this email. I was objecting to your statement that > wealth *has to* be extracted from you and me. > Yes, my apologies, I tend to dash off my posts in haste (and there is no facility to edt them for a while after posting on this

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Yes, I agree with this email. I was objecting to your statement that wealth *has to* be extracted from you and me. On Sunday, December 15, 2013, LizR wrote: > On 15 December 2013 19:06, James Tauber > > > wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM, LizR > 'cvml', 'lizj...@gmail.com');> >> > wr

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On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Perhaps "politician" should not be a profession. We would vote for > programs and ideas, and let them implemented by a random sample of the > population through some social services, or by well sworn robots or the > net. We must find ways of ke

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 15 December 2013 19:06, James Tauber wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM, LizR wrote: > >> I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing >> our wealth - as indeed are rich people generally, since "wealth breeds more >> wealth" and that more wealth has to be ex

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h some social services, or by well sworn robots or the net. We must find ways of keeping well the separation of the powers. Bruno Telmo. Bruno On 15 December 2013 04:45, Roger Clough wrote: How the banks are stealing our wealth. This seems to be factual, and is non-politcal.

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e. The poor implicitly risk their homes and means of survival when the rich play the big casino game of leveraged investments, derivative markets and so on. Bitcoin might solve these two problems. Telmo. > Bruno > > > > > > > > On 15 December 2013 04:45, Roger Clou

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arget. Bruno On 15 December 2013 04:45, Roger Clough wrote: How the banks are stealing our wealth. This seems to be factual, and is non-politcal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0Hi - Roger Clough You'll need to watch it at least twice to understand it, it's very c

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On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM, LizR wrote: > I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing > our wealth - as indeed are rich people generally, since "wealth breeds more > wealth" and that more wealth has to be extracted from you and me. > Wealth doesn't have to be e

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I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing our wealth - as indeed are rich people generally, since "wealth breeds more wealth" and that more wealth has to be extracted from you and me. On 15 December 2013 04:45, Roger Clough wrote: > > How t

How the banks are stealing our wealth

How the banks are stealing our wealth. This seems to be factual, and is non-politcal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0Hi - Roger Clough You'll need to watch it at least twice to understand it, it's very complicated. And scarey. Pass it on. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.)