Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-21 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 20 July 2013 10:57, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: If a dog started talking in full English sentences without manipulation by an outside force the

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:25:35 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 20 July 2013 10:57, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: If a dog

RE: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread chris peck
...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 02:25:26 +0200 Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction To: everything-list@googlegroups.com That exist an association does not means that this is a mathematical topological isomorphism in the brain of the humans shaped by genes between the space of shapes

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:00:44 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 18 July 2013 23:20, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I did use the term rational perhaps inappropriately. I meant that some aesthetic choices have evolutionary utility and others not. Nevertheless,

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If a dog started talking in full English sentences without manipulation by an outside force the explanation must be in the physics of its body. I don't think this statement is either clever or controversial. And if the physics

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, July 19, 2013 8:21:42 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 20 July 2013 06:59, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: If a dog started talking in full English sentences without manipulation by an outside force the explanation must be in the physics of its body. I

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread meekerdb
On 7/17/2013 10:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:55:36 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:04:46 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 2:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:34:19 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:27:14 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/17/2013 10:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb mee...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:13:59 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Monday, July

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:55:36 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
the asimilation sound-shape applies also to the letters: the letters K and I of KIKI have a lot of peaks, while B O U and A of BOUBA have more rounded edges. the forms with Sharp edges are more aggressive, and this is know in design. For example the rounded edges of the Apple products, that is

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread chris peck
Hi Alberto I wonder if the phoneme for 'ki' is represented by jagged letters in non Latin based alphabets? --- Original Message --- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com Sent: 19 July 2013 2:03 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Message --- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com Sent: 19 July 2013 2:03 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction the asimilation sound-shape applies also to the letters: the letters K and I of KIKI have a lot of peaks, while B O U

RE: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread chris peck
and 'angular'. Same 'curvy' letter though. From: agocor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:31:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction To: everything-list@googlegroups.com If the alphabet is phonethic , I guess so, because the inventors of the alphabets also had these innate

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread meekerdb
On 7/18/2013 4:42 PM, chris peck wrote: Hi Alberto But alphabets are not phonemic are they? And some alphabets are curvy (Thai) where as others are very angular (Chinese) Even in Latin based alphabets there are going to be difficulties with your view I think. The 'c' in 'circle' is essy

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 18 July 2013 23:20, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I did use the term rational perhaps inappropriately. I meant that some aesthetic choices have evolutionary utility and others not. Nevertheless, all aesthetic choices must be determined by the physics of our brain, unless they

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
. The 'c' in 'circle' is essy and soft. But the 'c' in 'cut' is sharp and 'angular'. Same 'curvy' letter though. -- From: agocor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 00:31:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction To: everything-list

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread meekerdb
On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? Why not? Being a broken line vs a

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:18:52 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multipl...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM,

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 12:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:21:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread meekerdb
On 7/16/2013 2:08 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:18:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/16/2013 12:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:18:52 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multipl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-15 Thread meekerdb
On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? Why not? Being a broken line vs a differentiable line is a computable property. The difference between

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-15 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational? Why not? Being a broken