Re: Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-17 Thread Roger Clough
could function. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 22:46:04 Subject: Re: science only works with half a brain On 9/15/2012 7:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9

Re: Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-17 Thread Roger Clough
, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-16, 12:26:18 Subject: Re: science only works with half a brain On 9/16/2012 8:52 AM, Roger Clough wrote

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/17/2012 8:47 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/ Descartes believed in only TWO kinds of substance: material body, which is defined by extension, and mental substance, which is defined by thought, which, in this context, is more or

Re: Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Roger Clough
so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 13:19:40 Subject: Re: science only works with half a brain Hi Roger, You might think that you are being consistent with an anti

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/16/2012 8:52 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Mereology seems to be something like Spinoza's metaphysics, that there is just one stuff in the universe and that stuff is God. So there is just one material. Hi Roger, Yes. Each of these philosophers focused on different

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/16/2012 3:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Why does a physical system have to be non-invertible? My understanding is that current physical laws imply that systems are invertible. Hi Jason, Say hello to the problem of time. -- Onward! Stephen

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/16/2012 3:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Where is our universe located? What could its location be relative to? That question presupposes that there is a large universe that this one is embedded into and that it is possible to define both coordinate maps

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 9/16/2012 3:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Where is our universe located? What could its location be relative to? That question presupposes that there is a large universe that this one is embedded into and

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/16/2012 3:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Yes, but note that even in the case of a purely abstract mathematical universe, like a Hilbert space, we use a coordinate system and sets of maps to relate the relations of where things are in the space of the universe. Sure, but my

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 9/16/2012 3:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Why does a physical system have to be non-invertible? My understanding is that current physical laws imply that systems are invertible. Hi Jason, Say hello to the

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/16/2012 6:11 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 9/16/2012 3:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Why does a physical system have to be non-invertible? My understanding is that current physical laws imply that systems are

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-16 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/16/2012 6:11 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 9/16/2012 3:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Why does a physical system have to be non-invertible? My understanding is that current physical laws imply that systems are

Re: Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 12:40:45 Subject: Re: science only works with half a brain On 9/14/2012 8:14 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Objective things are things that can be measured (are extended) and so are quantitative. Numbers can

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Sep 2012, at 18:36, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: I contend that universality is the independence of computations to any particular machine but there must be at least one physical system that can implement a

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread Stephen P. King
. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net *Receiver:* everything-list mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-09-14, 12:40:45 *Subject:* Re: science only works with half a brain On 9/14/2012 8:14 AM, Roger

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread meekerdb
On 9/15/2012 8:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2012, at 18:36, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: I contend that universality is the independence of computations to any particular

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/15/2012 8:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2012, at 18:36, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: I contend that universality is the independence

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread Jason Resch
Stephen, I'm not sure if you might have missed this message. You have made other replies in this thread, but not to the below message: Thanks, Jason On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Stephen P. King

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread meekerdb
On 9/15/2012 7:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/15/2012 8:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2012, at 18:36, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Stephen P.

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/15/2012 7:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/15/2012 8:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2012, at 18:36, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Sep

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:17, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and meekerdb, ROGER: Hi meekerdb First, science can only work with quantity, not quality, so it only works with half a brain. MEEKERDB [actually it is BRUNO]: Bad decision. You are the one cutting the corpus callosum here.

Re: Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 04:09:27 Subject: Re: science only works with half a brain On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:17, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and meekerdb, ROGER: Hi meekerdb First, science can only work

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/14/2012 4:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:17, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and meekerdb, ROGER: Hi meekerdb First, science can only work with quantity, not quality, so it only works with half a brain. MEEKERDB [actually it is BRUNO]: Bad decision. You are

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: I contend that universality is the independence of computations to any particular machine but there must be at least one physical system that can implement a given computation for that computation to be knowable.

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
idea. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/14/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 04:09:27 Subject: Re: science only works

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/14/2012 12:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: I contend that universality is the independence of computations to any particular machine but there must be at least one physical

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 04:09:27 Subject: Re: science only works with half a brain On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:17, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and meekerdb, ROGER: Hi meekerdb

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 9/14/2012 12:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: I contend that universality is the independence of computations to any particular machine

Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Sep 2012, at 15:32, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/14/2012 4:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:17, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and meekerdb, ROGER: Hi meekerdb First, science can only work with quantity, not quality, so it only works with half a brain.

Re: Re: science only works with half a brain

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal and meekerdb, ROGER: Hi meekerdb First, science can only work with quantity, not quality, so it only works with half a brain. MEEKERDB: Bad decision. You are the one cutting the corpus callosum here. ROGER: You have to. Quantity is an objective measure, quality is a