Why? And why do you think science has made no progress since 1947?
Brent-
.
Science made great technological ( !) progress since 1947,
but not ' philosophical progress ' (!).
We still haven't answers to the questiohs:
What is the negative 4D Minkowski continuum ?,
What is the quantum
On 08 Feb 2013, at 17:23, John Clark wrote:
... consciousness is a byproduct of intelligence.
Consciousness might be the unconscious, i.e. instinctive and
automated, belief or bet in a reality, or self-consistency (for
machine expressing their beliefs in first order languages), so that
On 08 Feb 2013, at 17:54, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
wrote:
there is a single result in Bruno's experiment, John K Clark sees
Washington and Moscow.
But under MWI you agreed you see the photon hit the left or the
right plate,
On 08 Feb 2013, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, February 8, 2013 12:02:57 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Feb 2013, at 19:43, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/7/2013 8:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Beyond our view of matter, I would guess that both of them would
agree that matter is
On 08 Feb 2013, at 23:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/8/2013 8:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If you talk about God to people not reading this list, they would
never come to your meaning, as such your usage is a misuse and
leads to confusion.
No, you are wrong on this. All theologians I met
On 09 Feb 2013, at 00:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Outside of consciousness, there is no possibility of discerning any
difference between accidental byproducts and selected products. Only
consciousness selects. Only consciousness has accidents.
Good point.
But this does not make
On 09 Feb 2013, at 11:05, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
wrote:
2013/2/8 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
I totally agree with that, what I don't agree is when you say the
moment you're becoming Telmo again, you should lose
On 09 Feb 2013, at 15:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:15:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
Which is a profound problem that we can lay right at the door of
LANGUAGE. Language is
On 09 Feb 2013, at 15:16, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 2/8/2013 12:04 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:23 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 2/7/2013 3:15 PM, Platonist
On 09 Feb 2013, at 17:28, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Quentin Anciaux
allco...@gmail.com wrote:
you agree that if I ask you the question in the MWI context, what
is the probability that you see the photon hit the left plate,
you'll say 50%,
As I've said before
On 09 Feb 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 3:32:52 PM UTC-5, Simon Forman wrote:
But then doesn't that leave subjectivity fundamentally mysterious?
I think that human subjectivity is a range of qualities of
experience, some rooted in the sub-personal,
On 09 Feb 2013, at 22:47, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Let's say Wr is a world
But this might be ambiguous. If by Wr you mean the real physical
world, it can only mean, when we assume comp, that Wr is the real
sum on all simulation or computations which exist in arithmetic (by
UDA). That real
On 09 Feb 2013, at 23:38, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
wrote:
snip
If you're still want to go on the technical detail, then give real
technical insight of how the mind works and what can really prevent
that
One insight is
On 09 Feb 2013, at 23:44, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 13:45, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Well, yes... with computer you could imagine doing just that... so
why not ? Also, the fact that you can't imagine
On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54:38 PM UTC-5, Kim Jones wrote:
What an extraordinarily interesting idea, Craig! I'll have to let
Brian Eno know about this. Eno was recently talking about the
possibilities of a new kind of inaudible music.
On 10 Feb 2013, at 07:46, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
How to describe the Universe as it really is ?
You should always be clear if you talk about the physical universe
(that we can observe), and the real universe, that we are searching.
If you assume that the Universe = the physical
On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:13, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
Why? And why do you think science has made no progress since 1947?
Brent-
.
Science made great technological ( !) progress since 1947,
but not ' philosophical progress ' (!).
We still haven't answers to the questiohs:
What is
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Consciousness might be the unconscious
Okey dokey, and if you allow that X is not X you can prove or disprove
anything you like.
Consciousness accelerates the growing of intelligence
Then it would be easier to make a
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
They [mathematicians] are just elaborating existing concepts of
geometry, not creating it from mathematical scratch.
But all those concepts of geometry, like the trigonometric functions, can
be derived from one
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:55:15 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
They [mathematicians] are just elaborating existing concepts of
geometry, not creating it from mathematical scratch.
But all
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:16:31 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Feb 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 3:32:52 PM UTC-5, Simon Forman wrote:
But then doesn't that leave subjectivity fundamentally mysterious?
I think that human subjectivity
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:15:00 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
You are convinced that computers and other machines
don't have consciousness, but you can't say what test you will apply
to them and
Bruno,
you write mystique.
First you mention THE REAL UNIVERSE (who said ther IS one?)
then you line up a series of IF-s. What about IF NOT?
You seem to justify the 'truth' of arithmetics on the basis of human logic
(prime #s, 2+2=4, etc.) which may be a flimsy dependence of the Natural
Logic
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:49:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Feb 2013, at 02:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:54:38 PM UTC-5, Kim Jones wrote:
What an extraordinarily interesting idea, Craig! I'll have to let Brian
Eno know about this. Eno was
On 2/10/2013 9:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:13, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
Why? And why do you think science has made no progress since 1947?
Brent-
.
Science made great technological ( !) progress since 1947,
but not ' philosophical progress ' (!).
We
On 2/10/2013 12:14 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno,
you write mystique.
First you mention THE REAL UNIVERSE (who said ther IS one?)
then you line up a series of IF-s. What about IF NOT?
You seem to justify the 'truth' of arithmetics on the basis of human logic (prime #s,
2+2=4, etc.) which may be
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:43:06 AM UTC-5, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:
It seems to be an interesting fact that all information can be
encoded in
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:41:23 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Feb 2013, at 15:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:15:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Feb 2013, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/8/2013 12:31 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
Which is a
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would being generated in a single moment through cell
fertilization have any bearing on consciousness?
Because consciousness is a singularity of perspective through time, or
rather through which time is
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:23:52 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Why would being generated in a single moment through cell
fertilization have any bearing on consciousness?
Because
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