On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
All I am saying is that you should start with something that is not
already loaded with your conclusion, then reach your conclusion
through argument. If I intend to do something I do it because I want
to do it. On
On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato
sometimes- I don not share the Occam views.Occam was a nominalist,
that is rejected the existence of universals, he did not like to
think in terms universals, because if
On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato
sometimes-
?
I see Plato and Aristotle as the most opposite view we can have on
reality.
(To be sure by Aristotle I means its usual interpretation by the
followers.
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:40, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/19/2013 11:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 18:35, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 17:34, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
snip (see the preview post)
As an example, I could point you to the Genome Wager between
Lewis
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/What-is-the-Nature-of-Personal-Identity-Peter-van-Inwagen-/176
He starts off with a straightforward, materialist position. Then he
reveals he is a Christian, believes in the
On 20 Mar 2013, at 00:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/19/2013 3:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'll agree on your terms, but you have to make it explicit.
My terms are:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:44:02 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Correlation, even 100% correlation, does not equal causation.
BULLSHIT! If when X is changed there is ALWAYS a change in Y in the
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:03:29 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
All I am saying is that you should start with something that is not
already loaded with your conclusion, then reach your conclusion
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:39:40 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:44:02 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
Correlation, even 100% correlation, does not equal causation.
BULLSHIT! If
On 20 Mar 2013, at 11:43, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
wrote:
http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/What-is-the-Nature-of-Personal-Identity-Peter-van-Inwagen-/176
He starts off with a straightforward, materialist
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
If when X is changed there is ALWAYS a change in Y in the same
direction, and when Y changes you can ALWAYS find a change in X that
preceded it, then X causes Y. IT'S WHAT THE WORD CAUSES MEANS!
Two flowers bloom at
On 20 Mar 2013, at 17:09, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
If when X is changed there is ALWAYS a change in Y in the same
direction, and when Y changes you can ALWAYS find a change in X
that preceded it, then X causes Y. IT'S WHAT
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:35:00 AM UTC-4, Tom Bayley wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:39:40 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:44:02 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Tom Bayley tjp.bay...@gmail.com wrote:
I always hear an audible click very shortly after I see the light switch
on. There is no direct causation,
Yes but how do you know that, how can you prove there is no causation? It's
easy, just buy another light switch of the same
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:09:24 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
If when X is changed there is ALWAYS a change in Y in the same
direction, and when Y changes you can ALWAYS find a change in X that
preceded
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
If when X happens Y always happens AND when X doesn't happen Y never
happens then we can say with great confidence that X causes Y because
that's what the word causes means.
Does this not imply that X causes Y if and
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:37:54 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Tom Bayley tjp.b...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
I always hear an audible click very shortly after I see the light
switch on. There is no direct causation,
Yes but how do you know that, how can you
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
We can write books and other people can read them, so that must prove
that consciousness is not caused by neurochemistry.
What the hell???
John K Clark
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On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:55:50 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
We can write books and other people can read them, so that must prove
that consciousness is not caused by neurochemistry.
What the
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 , Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
We can write books and other people can read them, so that must prove
that consciousness is not caused by neurochemistry.
What the hell???
Books aren't neurological, right?
Right, but they are certainly material.
On 3/20/2013 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:40, meekerdb wrote:
I think it likely that the first applications will be providing
soldiers with augmented senses and communication. Just as AI
research has been funded by the military. Threats of war are often
used to
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex *as a whole*. The
brain is a non-stop, always-active system. When we perceive something, the
information does not end up in a specific *part* of our brain. Rather, it
is added to
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:44:23 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 , Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
We can write books and other people can read them, so that must prove
that consciousness is not caused by neurochemistry.
What the hell???
On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato
sometimes- I don not share the Occam views.Occam was a nominalist,
that is rejected the existence of universals, he did not like
On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following:
On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
...
I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in
physical reality often call to a principle developed by Occam.
What's the
On 3/20/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:40, meekerdb wrote:
I think it likely that the first applications will be providing
soldiers with augmented senses and communication. Just as AI
research has been funded by the
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex /as a whole/. The brain is a
non-stop, always-active system. When we perceive something, the information does not end
up in a
On 3/20/2013 6:43 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
wrote:
http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/What-is-the-Nature-of-Personal-Identity-Peter-van-Inwagen-/176
He starts off with a straightforward, materialist position.
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex *as a whole*. The
brain is a non-stop, always-active system. When
On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following:
On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
...
I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in
physical reality often call to
On 3/20/2013 4:04 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:40, meekerdb wrote:
I think it likely that the first applications will be providing
soldiers with augmented senses and communication. Just as
On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
On 3/20/2013 1:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following:
On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
...
I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in
physical reality often call to
On 3/20/2013 1:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:30:58 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:11:18 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 1:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are
On 3/20/2013 2:19 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:04 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Mar 2013, at 23:40, meekerdb wrote:
I think it likely that the first applications will be providing
soldiers with
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex /as a whole/. The brain is a
non-stop,
On 3/20/2013 3:31 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:11:18 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 1:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You say it doesn't make sense that intentional could come from
unintentional but I don't see that at all, not at all. You claim to
have an insight that other people don't have.
Lots of people have had this insight.
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:44:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 , Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
We can write books and other people can read them, so that must prove
that consciousness is not caused by neurochemistry.
What the hell???
On 3/20/2013 4:51 PM, Tom Bayley wrote:
There is not a direct link between the light switch and the light going
on either,
the closing of the light switch just caused a current to flow in the wire,
the
current flow didn't cause the light either it just caused the filament in
the
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex /as a
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:51:50 PM UTC-4, Tom Bayley wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:44:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 , Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:
We can write books and other people can read them, so that must
prove that consciousness is
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:26:04 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:51 PM, Tom Bayley wrote:
There is not a direct link between the light switch and the light
going on either, the closing of the light switch just caused a current to
flow in the wire, the current flow didn't
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:52:20 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:30:58 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07:10 PM
On 3/20/2013 6:32 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm
We are examining
On 3/20/2013 9:41 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:32 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:07 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/20/2013 11:16 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:32:11 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
You say it doesn't make sense that intentional could come from
unintentional but I don't see that at all, not at all. You claim to
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:44:38 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 6:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:26:04 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/20/2013 4:51 PM, Tom Bayley wrote:
There is not a direct link between the light switch and the light
going
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
At least you now agree that the atoms in my body could be replaced and
I would feel the same. What if the atoms were replaced by a person:
would I still have free will or would I, as you claim for a computer,
only
Hi Folks,
I apologize for crossforwarding a post, but this one is too good to
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