Craig,
Have you discussed about this? It seems that it is in your line of though:
http://kwelos.tripod.com/anthropism.htm
http://biocentricity.net/
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> I have been using the term 'aesthetic' a lot lately in specifying the
> qualitative aspects of consciousness, and I feel like it clarifies one of
> the core issues. The Hard Problem of Consciousness is confusing to people
> whose mindset is
"No computer I have ever worked on has ever been conscious of anything that
it is doing. "
Hi Craig,
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:44:31 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>> Ummm, Craig, you couldn't tell if you were switched o
"No computer I have ever worked on has ever been conscious of anything that
it is doing. ..."
Hi Craig,
How could you possibly know this to be true or false? Consciousness is not
3p falsifiable! Seriously, Turing tests... LOL! Umm, I think that we all
can safely ignore your post here as some kind
On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:01:21 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Craig Weinberg
> >
> wrote:
> > I have been using the term 'aesthetic' a lot lately in specifying the
> > qualitative aspects of consciousness, and I feel like it clarifies one
> of
> > the core
On Friday, April 19, 2013 4:26:02 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
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> Craig,
>
> Have you discussed about this? It seems that it is in your line of though:
>
> http://kwelos.tripod.com/anthropism.htm
>
> http://biocentricity.net/
>
Thanks Alberto,
I don't think that I've talked about bi
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> Qualia are generated, but only by other qualia. By pointing out that qualia
> can have no possible function, I am clarifying that in a universe defined
> purely by function, that qualia cannot be possible. What this means is that
> the univ
On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote:
> It is more easy to see the irrationality of others than of
oneself apparently.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> But language is tied to evolution, since we have evolved the ability
>> to speak, with large parts of the brain dedicated to this function.
>
>
> Parrots can speak too.
But they lack the genes encoding for a brain capable of human level
On 18 Apr 2013, at 22:05, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:29:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/18/2013 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 meekerdb wrote:
> It's been proposed that the susceptibility to mutation is itself
a characteristic subject to natural
On 18 Apr 2013, at 22:22, Jason Resch wrote:
I came across this today, I am only partway through but so far I
have found it to be a very interesting read. It is quite refreshing
to read this theory from its original source, rather than in some
processed and misinterpreted form in which we
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness
> supervening on function. A religious person would claim that it
> impossible to conceive of consciousness as residing anywhere other
> than in the spiritual realm. Both
"After the Boston bombings, what I'd like to see is a
Moslem Peace March. A tbhousand man moslem peace march."
- Christ plante
Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/19/2013
http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough
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On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:30:16 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Craig Weinberg
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Qualia are generated, but only by other qualia. By pointing out that
> qualia
> > can have no possible function, I am clarifying that in a universe
> defined
>
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou
>
> > wrote:
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>> But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness
>> supervening on function. A religious person would claim that it
>> impossible to co
On 19 Apr 2013, at 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Qualia are generated,
With comp the qualia are not generated. They are arithmetical truth
seen from some point of view. They cannot even been defined, but it
can be shown that they obeys to some laws (including the maws of not
being defina
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
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>>> But you claim that it is impossible to conceive of consciousness
>>> supervening on functi
Craig - John - this is to the hard-to-identify last part of your combined
and mixed post signed by John K C. about the 'consciousness' ("C") part.
I know that* intelligence* is a requirement of consciousness, just identify
intelligence appropriately.. - I like to indentify *"i"* with the Latin
ori
Stathis, forgive me if I expect better from you.
*> Parrots can speak too.
"But they lack the genes encoding for a brain capable of human level
speech, regardless of the environment."*
*
*
Can you fly like a parrot? or roar like a lion? We even have no good idea
how the ape-ancestor started to gro
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrot
> > A deterministic reality
>
We don't know that reality is deterministic and in fact right now the
overwhelming evidence very strongly suggests that it is not.
> might be unable to make an error at the "bottom level", but if it can
> emulate
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:22 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Craig Weinberg
> >
> wrote:
>
> >> But language is tied to evolution, since we have evolved the ability
> >> to speak, with large parts of the brain dedicated to this function.
> >
> >
> > Par
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Roger Clough wrote:\
"After the Boston bombings, what I'd like to see is a Moslem Peace March.
> A tbhousand man moslem peace march."
>
I would much rather see a thousand Muslims wise up and publicly abandon
their religion. I think that right now a march by Mu
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:59:34 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 18 Apr 2013, at 22:05, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:29:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
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>> On 4/18/2013 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 meekerdb wrote:
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>> > It's bee
Citeren John Clark :
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Roger Clough wrote:\
"After the Boston bombings, what I'd like to see is a Moslem Peace March.
A tbhousand man moslem peace march."
I would much rather see a thousand Muslims wise up and publicly abandon
their religion. I think that r
2013/4/17 Craig Weinberg
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>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
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>> Animal psychology is clearly adaptive. No one denies that.
>>
>
> Animal behavior is adaptive, but that doesn't mean that psychology follows
> only from behavior. Psychology is a private a
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg
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> > wrote:
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>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou
>>> wrote:
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On Friday, April 19, 2013 3:07:33 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
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> 2013/4/17 Craig Weinberg >
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>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:02:30 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
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>>> Animal psychology is clearly adaptive. No one denies that.
>>>
>>
>> Animal behavior is adaptive, but t
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
>>>
On Fri
On Friday, April 19, 2013 4:39:11 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg
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> > wrote:
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>> On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
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>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>>
It is whatever an algorithm is computing. All the information is in the
computational state. If you have pain in your knee then exactly what
you are experiencing must be unambiguously present in the computational
state of your brain.
Saibal
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On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:59:28 PM UTC-4, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
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> It is whatever an algorithm is computing. All the information is in the
> computational state. If you have pain in your knee then exactly what
> you are experiencing must be unambiguously present in the computational
> sta
The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has
clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is
expected to do.
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On Friday, April 19, 2013 8:31:39 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
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>
> The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has
> clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is
> expected to do.
>
Yeah, it's a big mystery. To you. Like Free Will.
The context of
On 4/19/2013 5:31 PM, John Clark wrote:
The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has clearly explained
exactly what the problem is or what the answer is expected to do.
I'm not so sure of the problem, but I'm pretty sure of the solution. When we can build AI
robots
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:26:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
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> On 4/19/2013 5:31 PM, John Clark wrote:
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> > The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has
> clearly explained
> > exactly what the problem is or what the answer is expected to do.
>
> I'm not so sure of
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