On 13 Jun 2014, at 17:07, David Nyman wrote:
You're right, oftentimes they do. But I wouldn't include Bruno in
people here (if you see what I mean). Once one assumes the existence
of the UD (or rather its infinite trace) the hard problem then becomes
one of justifying in detail every aspect of
On 13 Jun 2014, at 20:10, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 13 Jun 2014, at 05:06, LizR wrote:
On 13 June 2014 05:11, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Jun 2014, at 00:30, LizR wrote:
So a person would be a garden of forking paths laid out by
On 13 Jun 2014, at 21:22, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
We have agree that free will = will
If free will just means will then why stick on the free ?
Because we believe that free does not add anything, except some
emphasis
On 13 Jun 2014, at 21:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/13/2014 9:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Jun 2014, at 01:29, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/12/2014 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Further more, I'm not even sure that the reductionist program
of looking for what's most fundamental (in a TOE) and
On 14 Jun 2014, at 03:49, LizR wrote:
On 13 June 2014 20:44, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. But I have to wonder what we're doing wrong, because any
sophisticated piece of modern software such as a modern OS or even
this humble mailing list/forum software we are using is already
Changled title again, as this has wandered a lot from tronnies.
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:08:08AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If there were a reason why a primitive matter was needed (to select
and incarnate consciousness), there would be number X and Nu which
would emulate validly Brunos
On Friday, June 13, 2014 5:54:01 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
The whole thing really just illustrates a fundamental problem with our
current conception of AI -at least as it manifests in such 'tests'.
If
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:43:47 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, June 13, 2014 5:54:01 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Pierz pie...@gmail.com wrote:
The whole thing really just illustrates a fundamental problem with our
current conception
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:31:12 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 02:22:56PM +1200, LizR wrote:
Oh, OK, obviously I was misinformed. I will smack Charles' bottom later.
On 14 June 2014 14:27, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
javascript: wrote:
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41:45 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote:
On 6/13/2014 6:52 PM, LizR wrote:
On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
javascript: wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz wrote:
Yes. But I have to wonder what we're doing wrong,
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:19:16 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:41:45 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote:
On 6/13/2014 6:52 PM, LizR wrote:
On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:54:15 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote:
On 14 Jun 2014, at 1:20 am, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
when you never read anything I say (and have *never* responded directly
explicitly to anything I say).
I don't think you can get away with that. That reeks
I submit that with the official religion of Afghanistan, and with the
enablement of Sharia, or a watered down form of it under the Afghani royals, is
was a sucker for the Soviets. But the Soviets, under Brezhnev, war would have
come anyway. It just would not have seemed such a slam dunk. The
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:13:48 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:31:12 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 02:22:56PM +1200, LizR wrote:
Oh, OK, obviously I was misinformed. I will smack Charles' bottom
later.
On 14 June
My model provides an explanation of everything including gravity which I
understand is not explained by QM. QM does not explain logically why
electrons do not blow themselves apart. I don't believe in quantum
weirdness. There is a universe.
John Ross
On 12 Jun 2014, at 18:51,
I have not attempted to correlate my theory with the thinking of Plato and
Aristotle. I would be happy to discuss this with you (my cell phone
number is 858-353-0997) or to consider your specific thoughts as to how my
theory relates to the thinking of these fellows.
John Ross
On 12 Jun 2014,
Einstein says large masses create a curvature of space and that light
beams are curved by these large masses. I say that large masses produce
Coulomb grids through which light travels. Under both theories the paths
of light are affected. I don't see any problem. Einstein and I reach the
same
On 14 June 2014 04:32, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I thought I'd been pretty clear that it's ill defined, a point on which I
agree with Bruno. I tried to define it in the exchange with David, but he
seemed to reject my definition and just assumed everybody knows what it
means.
As I
Liz wrote:
E.G.: Physical theory with words: GOD DID IT - Physical theory with
numbers and so on:
I think I never had the perseverance to decipher such a long expression,
now I certainly don't.
Question: how much is the NUMERICAL NUMBER OF GOD?
John M
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM, LizR
6 6 6 ! Boo!
Actually, The numerical number of God reminds me of some of the writings of
Clifford Pickover, so sort of half-believes in his math magic.
I think I never had the perseverance to decipher such a long expression, now I
certainly don't.
Question: how much is the
Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins
during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their
language. I was also arrested by a Gestapo-like facility (talked out
myself) and later by the commis for questioning.
So I have personal experiences.
I
Is 666 not the Apokalyps number?
JM
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
*6 6 6 ! Boo! *
Actually, The numerical number of God reminds me of some of the writings
of Clifford Pickover, so sort of half-believes in
Bruno: my software reproduced none of the proposed parts of that square.
Maybe your French base does it? I am on USA-English and have Hungarian
as 2nd installed. (Or Microsoft is the culprit not liking 'square' ones?)
John
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:26 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:43 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot is understood about intelligence in humans
Almost nothing is understood about intelligence in humans, otherwise we
could double our IQ by knowing which modes of thought are productive and
which just waste time and lead
Hi John.
Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins
during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their
language. I was also arrested by a Gestapo-like facility (talked out myself)
and later by the commis for questioning.
So I have personal
On 6/14/2014 1:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If there were a reason why a primitive matter was needed (to select and incarnate
consciousness), there would be number X and Nu which would emulate validly Brunos and
Davids finding that reason, and proving *correctly* that they don't belong only to
On 6/14/2014 9:34 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 6:43 AM, ghib...@gmail.com mailto:ghib...@gmail.com
wrote:
A lot is understood about intelligence in humans
Almost nothing is understood about intelligence in humans, otherwise we could double our
IQ by knowing which
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:54:15 AM UTC+1, Kim Jones wrote:
On 14 Jun 2014, at 1:20 am, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
when you never read anything I say (and have *never* responded directly
explicitly to anything I say).
I don't think you can get away with that. That reeks
Afghanistan – which I have lived in before the Russians – has suffered war
imposed on it by the great powers (of the era) since the British Raj. It is
easy to blame these victims of a forty year state of war – counting from
the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; it is a little bit harder to
On 15 Jun 2014, at 2:34 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand there is no harder job in the world than being a
intelligence theorist, but at least if you happen to stumble upon the correct
intelligence theory the fact that you've suddenly become the world's first
Yeah, I remember Edward de Bono. I read what I think was his first book, which was all
about thinking outside the box as the current phrase goes. It was good advice.
Brent
On 6/14/2014 3:35 PM, Kim wrote:
On 15 Jun 2014, at 2:34 am, John Clark wrote:
On the other hand there is no harder
Interesting wiki bio. By the way, the mystical Sufi's have also come out in
favor of jihad against the Qufar recently. It's not like they are Muslim
hippies.Now, if we are looking for reasonable people on the other side, look to
the Amadi Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya
On 15 June 2014 03:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Spudboy (whatever that may mean) I was 22 when burried under bombing ruins
during WWII - and dug out by the enemy due to my good fluency in their
language. I was also arrested by a Gestapo-like facility (talked out
myself) and later
On 15 June 2014 02:13, jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote:
Einstein says large masses create a curvature of space and that light
beams are curved by these large masses. I say that large masses produce
Coulomb grids through which light travels. Under both theories the paths
of light are
On 15 June 2014 02:42, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
*6 6 6 ! Boo! *
As anyone who watches QI will tell you, it's actually 616 (it's there in
Revelations, altho I forget the exact wording). Someone miscalculated.
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I submit that with the official religion of Afghanistan, and with the
enablement of Sharia, or a
On 15 June 2014 02:37, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz wrote:
E.G.: Physical theory with words: GOD DID IT - Physical theory with
numbers and so on:
I think I never had the perseverance to decipher such a long expression,
now I certainly don't.
Question: how much is the NUMERICAL
On 15 Jun 2014, at 9:03 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Yeah, I remember Edward de Bono. I read what I think was his first book,
which was all about thinking outside the box as the current phrase goes.
It was good advice.
Brent
Yes. And the implications for the TT are
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:52:02 AM UTC+10, Liz R wrote:
On 13 June 2014 23:35, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
javascript: wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:44:25AM -0700, Pierz wrote:
Yes. But I have to wonder what we're doing wrong, because any
sophisticated
piece of
On 6/14/2014 6:29 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
This is the observation that some highly intelligent people with 8 stroke
motors between their ears can easily be duped or misled by simple con tricks
for the basic reason that they have a deep need to be seen tfo be right about
anything and everything,
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29:04AM +1000, Kim Jones wrote:
...
Real thinking involves all four wheels of the car on the ground. An argument
style of thinking only has three wheels on the ground. The missing fourth
wheel is generic, possibility-based thinking that turns away from agreement
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 06:34:51PM -0700, Pierz wrote:
No - we are hitting limits now in terms of miniaturization that are posing
serious challenges to the continuation of Moore's law. So far, engineers
have - more or less - found ways of working around these problems, but this
can't
On 15 June 2014 13:34, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure we can reward a program for correctly solving a problem in some
kind of learning algorithm, but anyone who understands programming and
knows what is really going on when that occurs must surely wonder how
incrementing a register
On 15 June 2014 13:34, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote from ... someone: If the brain were so simple we could understand
it, we'd be so simple we couldn't.
Excellent!
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On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
Interesting that this experiment is all about qualia, which we're told are ineffable and
can't be possessed by computers because they're not human.
On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-
neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
Interesting that this experiment is all about qualia, which we're told are
ineffable and
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