Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread Jason Resch
If you see the image in the mirror and interact with it, then there has to be something conscious somewhere. Just like a human controlling a remote control car. The consciousness might exist somewhere else, but the car can behave as intelligently as a human. Jason On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:55

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Apr 2013, at 18:11, meekerdb wrote: On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html "Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by Steven Laureys)

Re: Astigmatism Example

2013-04-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Apr 2013, at 23:53, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: In a universe of functionalism or comp, I would expect that this would never happen, as my brain should always prioritize the information made available by any eye that is open over tha

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Apr 2013, at 16:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: snip Computationalism is the opposite of reductionism. It points on the failure of the reductionist conception on numbers and machines. But it does so by swallowing whole all phenomena which are not numbers and machines. Not at all.

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread meekerdb
On 4/5/2013 9:38 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: There is no hell "The hell there isn't!" --- Billy Sunday -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to e

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 6, 2013 12:38:16 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > There is no hell > I wouldn't know, but there are stories out there of hellish NDEs. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/08/is-hell-real-people-who-went-there-say-yes.html "Working with Greyson, Bush identified several

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Richard Ruquist
There is no hell On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: >> >> I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because the >> 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a compendium >> of hearsa

Solid or Liquid? Physicists Redefine States of Matter

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/04/solid-liquid-states-of-matter/?cid=co6909034 Interesting Wired article. I think it supports the view that physics actually still has a poor understanding of how microcosmic models scale up to basic macrocosmic qualities. It seems clear to me that simplis

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark > > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to > only > >> >

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> >> > wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to only >> > hear about the most respectable Scientific endeavours. >> Anything else would be a waste of your time.

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 6:47:00 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Why are all of your actions "obviously" due to subconscious influences? If that were the case why would personal awareness exist? >>> >>> Your actions are

Free-Will discussion

2013-04-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: Why are all of your actions "obviously" due to subconscious influences? If >>> that were the case why would personal awareness exist? >>> >> >> Your actions are due to physical processes in your brain which move your >> muscles, but you are

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: > > I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because the > 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a compendium > of hearsay (s)he stored previously about "D"-like phenomena. > When a (human or other) c

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > There probably isn't a general learning algorithm there are just lots of >> lesser learning algorithms, >> > > > Then you need a higher-level algorithm to decide which lesser algorithm > to use for each situation. > Yes, or use a rule of thum

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread John Mikes
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because the 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a compendium of hearsay (s)he stored previously about "D"-like phenomena. When a (human or other) complexity dissolves (= death) nobody comes back to tell the stories. Th

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to only > hear about the most respectable Scientific endeavours. > Anything else would be a waste of your time. This isn't a mathematical proof where I have all the informati

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 10:30:29 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Bruno Marchal > > wrote: > >> >> On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason) >> >> There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve >>> infinities. >>> >> >> Why

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason) > > There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve >> infinities. >> > > Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain? > > > What make you thin

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 9:41:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason) > > There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve >> infinities. >> > > Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain? > > > What

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason) There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve infinities. Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain? What make you think that purple or pain don't involve infinities? (Also, many algorithm

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 4:50:29 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > I have a explanation of NDE experiences that is incomplete because it is > based on evolution, and the evolution of a trait rarely obey a single cause > not even a set of causes , because natural selection is holistic. Altho

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/4/2013 3:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes >>> wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-05 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I have a explanation of NDE experiences that is incomplete because it is based on evolution, and the evolution of a trait rarely obey a single cause not even a set of causes , because natural selection is holistic. Although some of these causes may be the main ones in the evolution of a certain tra